Israel has the green light!!

Sure and why not??? Let Israel do the dirty job for you Mr.Biden.

It will be STUPID of them (or anyone at this stage) to do it.!!! Ye, Where have we been all those years??? Now it is too late.

Don....You're right. It's way too late for something that should've been done back in the late 90's. Now, if Israel would attempt a diplomatic approach and engage in direct talks with Iran but then Iran ignores them, some type of military strike or shipping blockade in the Persian Gulf might help, but the long wait for the past decade has gone against us. Iran's threat against Israel is like your bully neighbor pointing a gun at you and threatening your life. As for me, I would take defensive measures to alleviate the threat.

I wonder why it is so hard to view Iran uder the same microscope? They are, afterall, a soveriegn nation with all of the rights that accrue to them by their constitution. Why does this country insist on deciding which governments have soverienty worth protecting?

Even in Afgahnistan, we are assuming the responsibility to "rid" the government of a significant portion of their citizenry that we call terrorists and in doing so, we create a false belief that we can tell one from the other, when we don't even speak the language!!?

Let's let ALL nations have the right to self government. Let's keep the corporations honest when they seek to harvest the wealth of other nations. Let's hold them to high ethical standards which require them to balance the economic wealthy they take out, with social and economic benefits to the citizens. Clean water, good hospitals, etc.

letstalk has the statement of the year; Why does this country insist on deciding which governments have soverienty worth protecting?

It is this man's opinion we let other countries work out their own problems. After we dig ourselves out of our own hole, then we can do humanitarian work + relief funds, BUT THAT IS IT!

Joe, big of you to "let" Israel do what they must and let the know they are a sovereign nation. Don't be surprised if they don't wait to the end of the year to take Iran's capabilities out and maybe some Mullahs with them. They don't have the compunction against taking the head off the snake that we do. We could be negotiating with a new and probably more pro-western government (waiting in exile to take over in Iran if the uprising was successful) if Obama had gotten off his duff and offered minimal financial and arms support through an untraceable third party to the resistance.

One thing I will say about Clinton and Bush is that they were COMPLETE DOLTS when it came to protecting America! Still no border control, letting fanaticals such as North Korea, and now Iran get a hold of nuclear weapons, and blowing off terrorists resulting in American casualties on our own soil!!!!

I pray that this is the first step in this administration to finally do what needed to be done years ago, now we need Joe to get up there and say we are FINALLY closing our border!!!!

"I wonder why it is so hard to view Iran uder the same microscope? They are, afterall, a soveriegn nation with all of the rights that accrue to them by their constitution. Why does this country insist on deciding which governments have soverienty worth protecting?

Even in Afgahnistan, we are assuming the responsibility to "rid" the government of a significant portion of their citizenry that we call terrorists and in doing so, we create a false belief that we can tell one from the other, when we don't even speak the language!!?"

You wonder? Well, I don't wonder, I know. It has to do with them being entirely different cases. Iran.....state-sponsored terrorism. Israel.....no state-sponsored terrorism. Really not that difficult to see the difference.

As far as Afghanistan, YOU may not speak the languages, but there are plenty of Americans that do. Why don't you just speak for yourself next time?

Normally, this would be a huge story, but since it was Biden making the statement, it's hard to determine if it's a real policy statement or just Joe Biden getting caught with his tongue out of place. His credibility is so low, who really knows. I guess we'll have a better indication if Obama or Hillary have to "clarify" Biden's statement in a few days. LOL

If that doesn't clearly state our government's strength under the Obama administration, I don't know what would. You tell'em Joe baby. Sorta like, I don't have jurisdiction, but you do attitude will only lead us to a more unstable World. We need to show unity on this one folks.

Green light, or gaffe?

benct;

green light

Responding to letstalk

The reason why Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and what it is in America's interest to prevent them from acquiring a nuclear weapon is the effect it would have on the stability of the region. Think the situation through.

Iran will not recognize Israel as a nation and several of their government officials have talked, over the years, about wiping Israel off the map. Israel has nuclear weapons and will not go down without using nuclear weapons in an attempt to save their nation. During the 1973 Yom Kippur war, the Israelis were caught surprised and suffered serious setbacks early in the war. The Israelis authorized and had tactical nuclear weapons on aircraft ready to use, but the Israeli army was able to reverse the setbacks on the ground.

If Iran and Israel get into a nuclear war, the results on the World would be catastrophic. The fallout from the nuclear weapons would cause thousands of deaths in the countries that border Israel and Iran (which countries depends on what direction the wind is blowing that day). Think what would happen to the world economy if suddenly the massive oil fields of Saudi Arabia are contaminated with nuclear fallout and are taken out of production? Souring energy prices leading to a massive worldwide depression.

Even though Iran's nuclear weapons would not be able to directly hit the US for several years, the effects of Iran using nuclear weapons at all would have immediate worldwide consequences.

Sanford has another girlfriend in Isreal

... if Obama had gotten off his duff and offered minimal financial and arms support through an untraceable third party to the resistance.

If the aid is covert, how do you know that he didn't offer it? Maybe it failed, or it just hasn't had time to work yet.

Pddoc...and I hear she shares apartment..with John Edwards girl friend and Jessie Jackson new babby momma lives next door...

and Barney Franks boy friend runs the gay brothel down stair and across the street Jim Mcgreevy troles for a new gay lover.

It's either a ploy to bring Iran to the table; or it's the real thing; either way we will not have long to find out; does anyone see the coincidence of Obama in Russia, on the same day Biden flashes the go sign to Israel.Me thinks the sh...t, is about to hit the fan.

Somebody get a muzzle.

I get it destabilize, the Arab World..we'll never see peace there..give Israel the reasons to be hated forever..go ahead Israel attack Iran, it's your call..what a Sick Evil Mentality..anyone in favor of that are the Real Sickos..for the Love of money, oil and dirt, Man can be so EVIL..for one to think, we can Change the entire Middle East is out of their mind.. I do not favor either side, I feel they MUST learn how to CO-Exist with one another.. despite their idiotic hostilities/ behavior between each other..I believe the HEAT, really affects these peoples personalities..

Unfortunately, Bibi Netanyahu is top dog in Israel right now. The man has never shown judgement, restraint, or honesty. Absolutely the worst person to be in charge of launching nuclear missiles. Now Shimon Peres... that's another story. Shimon Peres has been credited with creating Israel's nuclear program. And he is clear-headed, forward thinking, and has about 50 years of top-level political experience. Too bad the wannabe Rambo Bibi is sitting in Shimon's chair...

I'm just glad Joe let Israel know that most of the Administration supports them, even if our racist president doesn't.

Every administration has an idiot and Biden is proving once again he cannot remove the foot out of his mouth. The Yahoo will interpret this idiotic comment as a go ahead to continue it's reckless warring ways of antagonizing the region. Obama needs to step in NOW and put both the war monger and the house idiot on notice.

on notice of what shawn?

"Antagonizing the region", you mean the same region that refuses to let the palestinians to resettle in THEIR territory? that region DELIBERATELY USES the palestinians as a TOOL to destroy Israel. and they DO NOT CARE about the "plight of their palestinian brothers" other than as a TOOL.

"antagonizing the region"; you mean like the way Iran keeps shipping missles and armaments to any group that opposes Israel? , noooo that's not destabilizing at all.

and the way Iran arms and trains Iraqis to kill our own troops?, with an eye on taking over Iraq? (good ol Iran)amazing how one-sided you are.

GOP had a gaggle of idiots....right from the top down the DEMS have one.....may be an improvement but another idiotic war neither we or the neocons in Israel can ill afford.

We understand Israel would much rather fight unarmed civilians then an equally armed Iran hence the itchy finger and the guilt ridden conscience. The fact will not change that Israel will not survive in her present form.....one state means end of Israel dominated by a Jewish populous and two state means end of Israel as a tormenting apartheid parasite. Regardless of the babble and BS change is inevitable.

Danwill your concern for the Palestinian people is the height of hypocrisy. Equally as hollow as your concern for "our" troops in Iraq. Israeli apartheid regime is the single biggest reason there is any terrorism directed at us in the US. Israel was relentless at demonizing Iraq and Iran and anyone she felt will threaten her expansionist zionist sinister agenda. Israeli policies dominated by the "duct taped together" coalitions that you call Israeli democracy is the sole reason why we are in Afghanistan and arguably in Iraq. If it had to do with the politicians of dubious agendas like Lieberman we would find ourselves in Iran.

The time for spins and spreading nonsense is past. Now is the time to give up stolen lands and live in peace with all your neighbors. Stop the threats, murders and tortures and grow a conscience. Killing and threatening weaklings is neither brave nor noble.

yes shawn, "it's all israel's fault", or "it's all the US's fault" . isn't it?

it's NEVER the fault of anybody else now, is it? (like the neighbors that still want to drive israel and all the jews into the sea). why doesn't the UN do anything to relocate the Palestinian "refugees"? it does relocate every other refugee group.

it CAN'T be that the unremittingly hostile attitudes, and attacks against israel are what are responsible for the more extreme members being ELECTED now, can it?

Israeli policies dominated by the "duct taped together" coalitions that you call Israeli democracy is the sole reason why we are in Afghanistan and arguably in Iraq

but still elected, as opposed to chosen, like iran and the rest of the middle east does.

but a democratic government would go against your beliefs , wouldn't it?

face it, you just hate jews and america. the phrase "expansionist zionist sinister agenda" proves unequivocally that you are either just another nutcase, or an iranian tool .

btw, shawn;

our involvement in afghanistan was NOT "israels fault" as you claim, it was our own. It was the US that TRAINED the taliban to fight against the old soviet union. the same taliban that supported terrorist training camps for OBL and al-queada.

danwill give it up bro that song is getting rancid. No one buys this bs about oh you must be an anti semite. I could care less about what god you prostate yourself to I only care about the way you behave toward your fellow humans. The world is sick of hearing about your history you are not the only one that has seen adversity. It's time to drop the sole ownership of victimhood and take a good look at what your people are doing to unarmed civilians hiding behind cunning campaigns and concocted stories as they conduct theft, torture and murder. Reputations are earned and the repute the neocons in Israel are earning for all of Israel is dispicable.

We were visited by 9-11 as a response of what our foriegn policy we have been conned into following by our so called best friends who could give a rip about our braves lives or treasury as they pursue their expansionist agenda. This is the ponzi scheme that will be read and talked about for 100's of years. It's clever how you like to always align yourself with US when our security interests could not be more different. If it was not for Israel we would not be in two wars and going bankrupt spending trillions on homeland security. We need to re-evaluate our foreign policies and take a better look at who we call a friend.

We were visited by 9-11 as a response of what our foriegn policy we have been conned into following by our so called best friends who could give a rip about our braves lives or treasury as they pursue their expansionist age

could some US policy choices have been better over the long run? Yes

"9-11 as a response of what our foreign policy we have been conned" BS!

OBL never said a thing about the palestinians until at least 6 months to a year after 9-11. he was ticked off about the US (infidels) having bases on the "muslim holy land" (saudi arabia).

that was a result of gulf war 1. which was in response to iraqi aggression.

and, yes, I very much think we should have finished the job the first time. waiting 9 - 10 years to do it was utterly ridiculous, and bush jr had to make up some kind of stupid BS excuse to finish the job that his daddy left undone.

beyond that, the rest of your response sure makes a whole lot of unwarranted and wholly inaccurate ASSumptions about me.

which just serves in making you look even more stupid.

twocspirl2

Did you want a girl? You referred to your son twice in a feminine way...

Glad he stuck up for himself

K-109...Back to the story. Biden said Israel can do what ever Israel want's to do. I was just pointing out my mistake, and giving credit to the V.P.

That "hardware" as you call it is not just Obama's weakness or strength to do so. It would mean committing human lives to this.

I love how all you "tough guys" like talking tough from the safer vicinity of your homes. Those of you who are so ready to throw our troops to any and every country that you think we need to show our cajones to need to go put your ass on the line and stop with the empty rhetoric.

Put your pork rinds and beer down, get your pants on and go enlist. Let's see your "hardware".

Ah jeez... smart voter is back....

So you're saying you want Obama to start ANOTHER war and invade Iran... is that right? Invade yet another country that has not attacked us, because they have a problem with Israel.... and MIGHT have WMD's.... now, where have I heard this before....?

I concur with Tempest...

Its very easy for any moron to thump their chests sitting at the CPU, but most of these guys are cowards and the Internet makes them feel invincible...

I say put on some BDU's and tote that M16 or 50 cal (with bullets whistling by) and see your talk calm down greatly... Aint that right Dumb_Voter-874902???

No, not Obama is too weak, just America saying we don't want or can't afford to fight other nation's wars any more.

I know that it is honorable for the Republican to want to help spread democracy in the world, but Tempest, I couldn't agree more with your comment to the hawks since Reagan. If you want to fight, then go enlist yourself.

It will be interesting to see what Irsrael does now.

I say put on some BDU's and tote that M16 or 50 cal (with bullets whistling by) and see your talk calm down greatly... Aint that right Dumb_Voter-874902???

Agreed. Been there, done that. I don't want to see us fight anymore stupid wars. I want to see us close all our bases in Europe, Asia, and wherever. Our foreign policy should be one of neutrality.

We're an empire now, and this is not what America was supposed to be.

go get 'em Israel, we're rooting for you.

I dont see what all the hypes about what was he supposed to say,Israel will need our permission I dont think so. If they want to do something incredibly stupid how are we to stop them. They allready do stupid stuff all the time.

I don't understand why people keep saying Obama is weak. We have already seen any war dodging coward can send troops to a foreign country. How is he weak by showing discretion and not sending SOMEONE ELSE to die?

It isn't like sending troops to a foreign country shows anything but stupidity.

War dodging coward? Is that Clinton you are speaking about? What branch of the military did Obama serve in? Counter to your belief the people who join the military know full well what they are getting in...You should honor their commitments..

It should be a requirement,that all persons serve some time in the Military...

It's not just Obama being weak,the whole Democrat party is weak on defense...When the going gets tough they hoist up the white flag and run like little school girls..

Greg weakness is swatting every fly to show how strong you are i.e. Bush

ndbltwy....are you talking about the great story of Obama swatting a fly during an interview???? What a super story!!!

Yep... I agree.

(Except, Iranians are not Arabs.)

Whats your point Dylan rivis ?Why always bring these lies about Israel and the Palestinians ??here are some numbers about American MONEY aid to Arab countries.!! Most of THIS money is in Switzerland -stolen by their "leaders" .

Stolen from your Palestinian brothers and other citizens of these poor countries !! The ARAB LEADERS Choose long time ago to perpetuate the Palestinian problem . It helps them to keep their Terror agenda alive and the people busy in hatred and fanaticism!!!

The US has provided Egypt with $1.3 billion a year in military aid since 1979, and an average of $815 million a year in economic assistance. All told, Egypt has received over $50 billion in US largess since 1975 .Iraq - In 2004, it will become the largest recipient of US aid, receiving $18.4 billion and bilions now with the war and us army there .Jordan - Got $250 million in economic support; $198 in military financing.

One more thing-

United States gives out $13.3 billion in direct foreign aid annually to arab countries. The vast majority of these recipients express animosity toward the United States in state-sponsored media, and routinely vote against the U.S. in international forums.

Obama--NO MORE FEDERAL AID to Muslim enemy countries (that's all of them)! Keep our money here for our own internal aid to Americans and let the Muslims deal with their own problems. $13.3 Billion to build a war machine against ourselves. We are fools indeed to let the government get away with this!

"I am an ardent Obama supporter BUT he and Biden will lose me completely if he thinks that he can give Israel 'carte'blanche' to attack Iran. The MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE for me is that we show respect for the arab world and reign in the Israeli Nazis."

Ah Dylan, Biden finally says something intelligent, and you say that he will lose you. That tells us a lot. You can show respect all you want, but Iran (mostly populated by non-Arabs by the way) doesn't fund, supply, and train terrorists because it wants your respect. But hey, what can we really expect from a Jew-hating internet troll?

Israel doesn't need nor is it looking for our support in thier military actions against Iran. They have taken out iran's nuclear reators before and I doubt they will think twice about doing it again if they feel threatened.

If they choose to wage war against Iran so be it. let them have at it. My money is on Israel to win.

I sure don't agree with all of Israels policies in regard to the Palistenians but they have a right to defend themselves

'Dylan', you speak the truth. 'I'm Ringo' takes it quite personal and seems somewhat ignorant.

I'm Ringo let me try and bring you up to speed. It is really quite easy to explain. The Zionists (who believe God ordered them to steal Israel back) are racist religious zealots. They are akin to the Klu Klux Klan. They use their Religion, and in the Klan's case Christian beliefs, to construt a doctrine that they are superior to those who they say they are superior to. Not all Christians agree with the Klan. And not all Jews agree with the Zionists in power in Tel Aviv.

The Israelis aka Zionists forced the Palestinians off their land and kept just enough of non-Jews to maintain the illusion that they can live in peace with others. But when you actually believe you are the 'chosen people' this will cause some problems with the one's not in the 'chosen' column. Now most Jewish folks recognize that religion is just that..religion. To be taken with a grain of salt. The Zionists use religion as a pretext for dominating the local people. Kinda like the Klan!

In effect, we here in the USA, land of equality, are supporting apartheid. No matter what it says in the Bible. It's that simple. And it's that wrong.

One final thought...Odd how all this talk of war and the attendant propaganda that is spewing out of the Corporate Media is occurring as the country is recognizing the fact that we are mired in the beginning phases of the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression. Could it be that Obama is pulling a chapter from President Franklin Delano Roosevelts playbook? When all else fails to revive an moribund economy start the next World War?

Hell, it Worked in Good Old WW2! Let's run it up the old flag pole and see who'll salute it!

Accept this ain't the world of 1941. This is nuclear bombs and satellites in the sky. And if you haven't read any history lately, I suggest browsing through how World War I got started. Just a thought.

so dylan rivis and dgonger;

we should "mind our own business" when it comes to Arab countries and "respect their sovreignty", but we should "reign in" Israel and ignore theirs? because you don't like their policies

I wish Senator Ensign would have had an affair in Isreal then we would not have paid for it.

Israel doesn't need nor is it looking for our support in thier military actions against Iran. They have taken out iran's nuclear reators before and I doubt they will think twice about doing it again if they feel threatened.

It wasn't an Iranian reactor that Israel took out, it was Iraqi. By most accounts, the Iranian nuclear program is much better dispersed and hidden.

Israel doesn't "need" our approval to take any action, but it is well aware of the diplomatic costs of acting against the wishes of the US. When you're surrounded by bullies, you don't want to lose your only patron.

Actually I believe it was a Syrian reactor in 2007.

I think Israel will wait until there is evidence they have a bomb before they strike.

They have good intelligence, and probably know what stage the development is in.

"The Israelis aka Zionists forced the Palestinians off their land and kept just enough of non-Jews to maintain the illusion that they can live in peace with others. But when you actually believe you are the 'chosen people' this will cause some problems with the one's not in the 'chosen' column. Now most Jewish folks recognize that religion is just that..religion. To be taken with a grain of salt. The Zionists use religion as a pretext for dominating the local people. Kinda like the Klan!"

"And if you haven't read any history lately,"

Aaah, dgongor2, if only you'd take some of your own advice.

pddoc.....the people of Chicago probably wish Obama would have actually worked when he was a Senator for Ill., instead they got to pay the bills of Obama running for president for 18 months. Isn't life fair and wonderful?

And why is that? Besides, Iran cannot really 'counter' attack. They've already attacked. Of course, maybe you don't consider giving rockets to terrorists to murder Israeli civilians an 'attack'?

giving rockets to hezbollah and hamas when they can. supplying weapons to Iraqis to attack our forces, etc.

oh yes, Iran is just a "peace-loving " country(gag)

Why exactly are we friends with Israel again?

You know... Just for clarification purposes?

And when did it become common policy to attack other countries just because you THINK they MIGHT attack you? It's becoming a disturbing trend.

And when did it become common policy to attack other countries just because you THINK they MIGHT attack you? It's becoming a disturbing trend.

Since the neocons voted in Bush Jr.

The US has always supported Israel since its inception. There are strains in the relationship from time to time, but Israel is a Democracy and has close ties to America and American Jews. They stand against our Muslim enemies with us and that is important when 9/11 and other terrorist acts for 40 years now commited by Muslims against the US need to be handled.

Green Light Israel. "Now, Get It Done". Send the message that you are letting them have 30 days to save face. Then, drop leaflets warning the innocent civilians to clear the areas. Do it surgically with conventional weapons. Just make sure that there are no nuclear facilities left.

Wow, unamerican, as a conservative I am surprised to side with you. Too bad I feel that our current administration seem to be making new friends. Siding with Venesuela and Cuba and kissing butt in Iran and now Russia tends to make me a little worried.

But it is nice to see that we FINALLY side with our very close ally Israel. I have met many Israeli soldiers and LOVED fighting next to them, truly brothers in arms!

I respect them very much and was disheartened to see "O" treat their country the way he did!

why would you not stand if Israel attacked its neiughbour but not vice versa. Western media sucks. Id like to dedicate a song to you by green day called American Idiot.

Netanyaho and Lieberman Israeli government is a lot more extreme than Hamas and more importantly have a lot of military power to commit mass murder and ethnic cleansing thanks to the American tax payors. Hamas does not have that power.

Maybe you should remain silent!

Yes, Israel can but they don't - Hamas can't but they would. If those rockets had better capability they'd be more than happy to use them.

The government of Israel has been commiting war crimes and ethnic cleansing since 1948. Why are the Palestiunians the only people on earth not aloowed to go back to their homes?

Justicenow90, I lived in Saudi Arabia for 8 years in the late 70s and early 80s. My husband and I had a Palestinian freind who told us that if he went back to his home in Israel that the PLO would kill him. He was bitter because the Arab countries insisted that the Palestinians not return to their homes as the Israeli government invited them to do but instead live in refugee camps or emigrate to another country. He said that when he and his family emigrated to Saudi Arabia, he believed that they would eventually be allowed to obtain Saudi citizenship. But they soon learned that any Arab except Palestinians were granted citizenship if they wanted. He said that he couldn't even buy a home there because the PLO and other Arab countries wanted the Palestinians to remain homeless until Israel is "pushed into the sea". He wasn't angry with Israel, he was angry with those who were using him and others like him for their own political purposes.

Peggy-

Here are some REAL FACTS Why unfortunately your friend will be a refugee forever--you can verify these facts anywhere.

In 1948 the next day Israel declare its independent 8 Arab Countries started the war attacking Israel in the hope of destroying Israel. During the hostilities of this war many Arabs abandoned their homes, whether following calls from Arab leaders to avoid hindering the progress of their advancing armies or out of fear.
With few exceptions, almost all the Arabs who left did so voluntarily, ignoring Israel's calls (including in its Declaration of Independence) to stay in Israel. Those who chose to remain in Israel after 1948 became Israeli citizens.
The fate of the Palestinian refugees who chose to leave stands in sharp contrast to that of the hundreds of thousands of Jews who fled Arab countries following the establishment of the State of Israel. These Jewish refugees - a number similar to the Palestinian refugees of this period - were integrated into Israeli society, despite the heavy burden this placed on its developing economy
Since Israel is neither at fault for the creation of the refugee problem nor for its perpetuation, it should not be asked to take upon itself responsibility for this problem.
The international community has played a role in perpetuating the Palestinian refugee problem. It has averted efforts to resettle the refugees, as is the international norm. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees, responsible for finding permanent homes for all refugee groups around the world, does not do so for the Palestinians. Instead, a special agency was set up to handle Palestinian refugees. This organization, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNWRA), operates solely to maintain and support the Palestinians in refugee camps What is the claim of "return" for Palestinian refugees?
These exemptions have inflated the number of Palestinian refugees and allowed it to expand over the years from the hundreds of thousands to the millions. Currently, the population of Israel is just over 6.7 million, of which 19% are Arab Israelis. The mass immigration of millions of Palestinians into Israel would obliterate Israel's basic identity as the homeland of the Jewish people and a refuge for persecuted Jews. Consequently, the demand to live in Israel is nothing more than a euphemism for the demographic destruction of the Jewish State.
Palestinian leaders and spokespersons frequently claim that the Palestinians have a legal right to immigrate to Israel. In actuality, no such right has been included in the agreements between Israel and its Arab neighbors, nor is it recognized in international law or the relevant UN resolutions.

The Palestinian claim of unlimited immigration to Israel is a political ploy made by those who do not want Israel to exist. It is disingenuous that the Palestinians are simultaneously appealing for a state of their own while calling for the right to freely immigrate to yet another state, Israel. By continuing to demand a "right" that would, in effect, negate the basic identity of Israel, the Palestinian leadership is undermining prospects for peace.

Theres blame on both sides but I wish Israel would act like the adult in this situation.

justicenow

thank god hamas doesn't have that power

tarball the moronian

go away little boy, let the adults talk

don, stop trying to confuse people with actual facts.

the real story is that the rest of the Arab countries are using the palestinians as pawns to destroy Israel, None of the palestinians so-called "Arab brothers" give a squat about the them except to use them as pawns against Israel.

this is the reality, ARABS ARE THE CAUSE OF PALESTINIAN SUFFERING!

Post # 13.1

I cannot keep silent. Holy ----. Biden is not indicating a 'carte blanche' to attack. He is saying, Israel has the right to defend herself. That's it.

May be - but the bigger question is will he ever say the same thing about Iran? like Iran has the right to defend itself against Israel? Nobody in Washington will ever say this and do you know why?

U2 WAR:

C'mon now! Haven't you heard of AIPAC? The strongest lobby in Washington? Our "leaders" (from both parties) get lot of money from them.

It had a very big role in forming a US-led attack on Iraq (read Paul Wolfowitz under Rumsfeld and his ties with AIPAC), and trust me Iran was still in the minds then but Iran did not give enough "reasons" to be attacked then or at least not convincing enough for us. With all the political/election turmoil in Iran, that may just be enough to convince ignorants to attack Iran now -whether we use the same reasons of WMDs in the making or Iran having ties with Al-Qaeda or restoration of true democracy, the fact is there is enough spotlight on Iran to create fear first, then conduct an attack. Whether US will be involved or not, our "leaders" will not have guts to speak against AIPAC.

One minor correction - I was referring to post # 13, not 13.1 in my earlier comment.

straight talks's comments reworded into their core meaning;

It's da fault of dem jooos, it's dem jooos, blame da jooos!

mah pappy done did told me dat dem jooos were bad uns.

I know truth can hurt but I had no idea it could give some people hemorrhoids in the mouth!

it's your ignorant ranting

oooooh it;s aipac's fault.

ooooh, the "evil jewish conspiracy to control the world"

what a load of BS!!

better than your hemorrhoids of the brain.

Anyone with clear consciousand beyond party politics will tell you AIPAC's influence on Washington. One can easily google Wolfowitz and Iraq war, and see the role AIPAC played in that war. I was actually not blaming AIPAC (or jews) as every lobby in Washington has an agenda, Im blaming our own politicians, again from both parties. And I am the one with ignorant rants?

Feel free to prove me wrong on AIPAC - but looking from your posts, either you are too old or too young to even make an attempt. Either way its way past your bed time.

Justicenow90, you have a warped knowledge of history. Why don't you (and all of you out there who believe Israel is the oppressor) dig out the REAL history of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

jackierawlings .......... I agree with you 100%

Israel will never be defeated. If they were to come close to losing the middle east would be turned into the worlds largest glass ashtray.

Jackie:

I can't believe i just read what you posted. Don't you have any respect for the truth? You are a very sick person and the reason why there are so many problems in this world.

Yes Al Derosier I listen to the new Leader of Israel who made it clear they want to bomb Iran for fear of Iran getting Nukes. Now let's see the truth. The World has reported Israel has 150 Nukes plus former President Jimmy Carter reported this information. The New President of Israel announced they have Nukes but wouldn't say how many. The United Nations has reported all countries that have Nukes and Israel is on the list. Now to the illegal weapons Bush gave Israel. Bush reported he gave Cluster Bombs to Israel which he said they had a right to have. The United Nations reported Cluster Bombs as illegal. Now the Israel soldiers who bombed and then watched a 5 year old girl burn to death was shown on BBC and the soldiers who were responsible testified to their actions. As they said all Palestine people were part of Hamas and should be killed. Now I know the US Press makes Israel the victims with few people be killed and it's the fear of Hamas that is given for murdering thousands of innocent people. I really don't blame Israel for using the Bush Policy as it worked very well for the USA. But to question the truth one would have to say Iran has WMD's and Palestine violated the 1946 Settlement Agreement done by the United Nations. History has a way of giving the facts even when people want to change the story. Don't worry in about 8 years we'll have a Republican President back in the White House and then Israel/US can continue the Bush/Israel plan. It's hard to hear the truth for some it's seems easier to believe the lie or justify the criminal actions.

Grow up Bob what did cowboy diplomacy get us name one thing. You can't

I can name one. Safety.

My kids didn't get flown into buildings or blown up by IED'S in all the years they were in charge.

and while Israel is at it, they should rid the area of Hamas and Hezbolla and not worry too much about collateral damage

In case you missed it, Obama was unduly criticized by the Republicans for NOT telling Iran what they should do. You idiots want to have it both ways. Just pick a subject or response and you can find fault even if it contradicts you prior stances. Now I understand that there are "Liberals" on this Blog that I disagree with, and that pains me, believe me. And if I could believe there was a good chance for peace and security between the Pals, Arabs, Iran and the Israelis, I'd jump on that bandwagon in a flash. But it isn't going to happen, particularly if everyone points to what may or may not have happened thousands of years ago, while ignoring what is happening now in modern times.

Put simply, the moment there is a genuine consensus about Israel as a sovereign country (it is), and arrangements are made to secure its borders indefinitely, as any country requires, there will be at last peace and relative harmony in the ME. That is unless, Muslim countries can't put their differences aside and keep their business to themselves. I just don't see it. Do you?

Islam is only 1300 years old. This started at the turn of the 20th century and escalated in 47. This can be settled if all concerned want it settled. If there is war it will just extend the hatred and all will be losers. I also find it amazing that alot of the same people on the vine who last week were calling out to the Iranian people are now ready to watch them die. Make up your minds.

We don't want anyone to die. We want world peace. We are tired of war, and we can not tolerate any more suffering of people, like in Lebanon, like in Palenstine, like in Pakistan, like in Iran, like in Honduras.

Something is going to blow soon. I say, Maranatha!

jean, you really think anything has changed overall?

the world has always been filled with oppression and brutality. the difference is that now everybody knows about it instantly.

BTW, I have to apologize. I read your previous post wrongly and thought it was an Anti-Biden rant. It wasn't and I agree with your premise.

Israel came into existance when zionist invaders with the help of british colonialism wiped most of Palestine off the map and expelled or displaced most of its Palestinian people. Since 1948, you can say that Israel has been an existiential threat to the Palestinians. The entity of Israel is the only country in the world that does not allow millions of refugees (Palestinian Christians and Muslims and their children) to go back to their homeland ONLY ONLY because they are of the wrong religion. At the same time, any person of the Jewish faith who never been in Israel or his great great great grandparents never been in Israel are allowed to come into the country and they are given Israli citizenship at arrival while Palestians are still holding to their keys to their homes 61 years later. This is why those who are knowledgeable with the Palestian cause consider Isral a racist ethnic cleansing state minority

yadayadayada.

And Sadaam said in the Gulf war, this will be the mother of all wars!

The rhetoric over there is always dramatic and overblown.

Is it wise for Israel to do a preemptive strike against Iran, without any real proof of nuclear weapons just like Bush in Iraq?

I think the hour glass has empited. Countdown to Armageddon.

Jean, there aren't nukes yet. Israel has the best intelligence in the region, and no one is looking for a big fight (except Iran?). But there will be nukes without a change in Iranian policy or regime. That's why there won't be an attack any time soon, because either could happen. So sit back and relax. No Armageddon soon.

There are nukes David and they are in Israel. Israel has to get rid of their nuclear weapons before many other countries in the ME will have them. On the non-military front, Israel has to stop building colonies in what is left of Palestine. A two-state solution separate and totally unequal under zionist rule is Apertheid. Even without allowing the Palestinian refugees to go back to Israel/Palestine, the palestinians will soonl become a majority due to higher birth date. Israel will be treated like Apartheid South Africa in a decade or two.

Justicenow90

This is what ISRAEL wanted to give YOU FANATIC STUPID PALESTINIANS-

Thank God you said NO!!

Arafat says NO to Camp David

In the summer of 2000, U.S. President Bill Clinton,

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and Palestinian

Chairman Yasir Arafat met at Camp David for final

status peace negotiations. By the end of their meeting,

they had hammered out the draft of an accord:

According to Dennis Ross, chief US negotiator, the

proposal Arafat rejected at Camp David included:

- The creation of an independent Palestinian state

- Israeli withdrawal from approximately 95 percent

of the West Bank

- Israeli annexation of the remaining 5 percent of the

West Bank, in exchange for an equivalent amount

of territory in pre-1967 Israel

- A road to the Temple Mount under Palestinian

sovereignty

- A secure highway between the West Bank and

Gaza through Israel proper

- The creation of a limited Palestinian army

- Israeli acknowledgment of “the suffering of the

refugees,” and the absorption of tens of thousands

of Palestinian refugees into Israel, as well as the

full right of return for refugees to the new

Palestinian state

- An international fund for the compensation and

the restitution of Palestinians

Arafat says NO to Taba

In December 2000, two months after the Al Aqsa

conflict began, President Clinton presented Arafat and

Barak with the outline of another possible agreement.

Senior Israeli and Palestinian officials conducted

intense negotiations in Taba, Egypt, using the Clinton

proposals as a starting point.

According to a paper issued by the European Union

Special Representative to the Middle East Process, the

deal on the table at Taba included: all concessions

offered at Camp David; clearer recognition of Arab East

Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state; further

land transfer; greater Palestinian sovereignty over the

Jerusalem holy sites including the Temple Mount/Haram

as-Sharif; a joint narrative of the tragedy of the

Palestinian refugees; the absorption of additional

Palestinian refugees into Israel; and, more territorial

contiguity in the West Bank.

No Alternative Offered

At the end of the negotiations, the officials issued

a joint statement saying that they had "never been closer

to reaching" a final peace accord. According to Dennis

Ross, the Palestinian negotiating team was prepared

to accept the deal offered at Taba, but Yasir Arafat

rejected it.

Arafat not only rejected the proposals on the table at

Camp David and Taba, he rejected them without

offering a serious alternative. Even when Arafat was

offered the option of deferring the Jerusalem issue, he

refused to agree to any proposal.

In the Jordanian paper al-Ria, commentator Dr. Fahed Al-

Fanek wrote, “It is entirely clear that the Palestinian side

has made a mistake by missing a rare opportunity that

may never return… he [Arafat] has now started to

demand, in vain, to return to the negotiating table on

the basis of the point where the negotiations were

stopped in Camp David and Taba…the same proposals

that Arafat rejected, he now demands.”

Lies, their were meetings after Camp David when Sharon was elected and effectivly killed the peace process. Someone once said Tell big enough lies repeatedly and the world will beieve you.

Heres the link to the above comment.

Good post Don.

One cannot tell another nation how to deal with it's own issues or politics. However, when the actions of a nation gravely effect the security of another country, region, or World, you bet.

What he means is that you can't tell the potentially effected country not to defend itself. I believe however, that Israel will not act without completely knowing the consequence of its actions. That is clearly more than I can say about Bush and Iraq.

Asad--they are the Philistines.

Iran signed the Nuclear Non- Proliferation Treaty so yes we and the world can tell them what to do or hold them accountable.

When they let you out make sure you call him.

Still over-dosing on your poison, eh?

Wow...same comment...its ok to THINK...try it!!!

NO FREE TRADE WITHOUT FULL EMPLOYMENT!! THE NEW PARTY

I like that idea though!!!

Ricin, your name is poison. Why choose this moniker?

It's not that I don't agree with you, it is your way of expressing your thoughts that are confusing. Secondly, there is no rush for Israel to attack Iran at this point. And finally, what does the "no free trade..." deal have to do with this discussion?

Your rhetoric is akin to a "Flight if ideas", a psychiatric term that implies psychosis, but I don't think you are psychotic.