Congrat's Arizona - now comes the difficult part - enforcement.

Big mistake, it will violate American citizen right, while doing minimu to solve immigration. This is nonsense.

Since when is enforcing current law nonsence? Nonsense is giving these people support services.Either you are here illegally or you are not here illegally.

Now Obama can't protect the illegals by prohibiting the Federal Government from enforcing the law.

Arizona can enforce the law.

Ouch Mr. Obama the Government actually doing its duty,

As Biden would say "This is a big F-ing deal!"

Rhonda, I am American, but cannot support this bill, it will harm American civil right more than solve the big immigration problem we have, this will make it worse. This is not right, in the long term we will realize the damage this is doing to us all.

ES, you are wrong. The American taxpayer wants illegal aliens out of our country. We are required by law to carry state issued ID. No harm committed there. Non-American citizens have no right to bitch about the laws. They aren't American citizens and they have no legal right to be here. They need to stay in their home country and make a life for them and their families.

And of course Richard Cranium is going to sick the justice department on Arizona. Arizona is destroying richard craniums voting base. Also, he is upset that Arizona got off of their duffs and is doing something about a growing problem. The federal government refuses to do it's job or they are under direct orders from President to stop the enforcement of the laws.

Whatever the case, here here to Arizona and all incumbents who do not wish to do their jobs and represent the American citizen and taxpayer, need to kiss their asses good bye in Nov 2010 and Nov 2012.

ES...much like what the Obama change is going to hurt us in the future as well?

So does this mean if President Obama steps foot in Arizona he will be questioned about his immigration status...

ES-919973, without being argumentative, please explain why any person here legitimately would object to proving so? The Federal Government appears unwilling to enforce the currently enacted laws, so why shouldn't a state act in the best interest of its electorate at that point?

I've been "profiled" in the past and to be honest I don't understand what the hooplah is about. If you've got nothing to hide, then swallow your pride and show your documentation.

ES-919973, without being argumentative, please explain why any person here legitimately would object to proving so?

papers please...

that crew in Washington is goona be pissed! Now how are their houskeepers, yard men, etc gonna get back after a weekend at home?????

I wonder how gung-ho you all will be when WHITE people are stopped and asked to produce documentation because they might be illegals from Eastern Europe.

marty:

that crew in Washington is goona be pissed! Now how are their houskeepers, yard men, etc gonna get back after a weekend at home?????

What about all those in California who employ them??? And NV, CN, and everywhere else??!!!!!

amuse me

Voter-in-LA how would you prove you are a citizen ?

1) Carry your birth certificate with you ( birth certificates are the easiest thing to forge i could probably do it on my printer raised seal and all ) they also don't have pictures associated with them so how would i know if you are the person listed.

2) Show your passport (would you expect to go to jail in handcuffs if you don't have it with you) for going 60 in 55 miles/ hour zone

3) Give a test on american history

good job AZ!!

Unfortunately zoo AZ waited until 2 AMERICAN ranchers had been murdered by illegals.

Now we have another task, we need to find all the drop houses. We need to find a way to stop illegal human trafficking, and the human smuggling more often than not is handled ( at some point ) by Americans, exploiting the plight of illegals

With the refusal of the president and congress to listen the voice of the people, the state governments have no recourse but to act on their own. I hope this Arizona case inspires other states to follow suit. Good job Governor!

So? What's wrong with that? We'll whip our our wallet and show our documentation. Like we do when we're going through an airport, at the bank, signing up for school, paying for anything with a credit card... I'm with Voter-In-LA: it's not a big deal if you have nothing to hide.

They will probably smile, produce ID and say "Have a nice day". If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem? When traveling in Europe, you must carry a passport.. that includes Europeans going from country to country also

not so otto - I wonder how gung-ho you all will be when WHITE people are stopped and asked to produce documentation because they might be illegals from Eastern Europe.

No problem there otto, illegal means illegal. Why are you making it into a race thing? Why should illegals who are breaking the law be allowed a free pass when all others who break laws are punished?

Wouldn't mind at all, I carry my ID at all times.

Strange thing is that most legal citizens of Hispanic/Mexican/Latino descent are REPUBLICANS!! Now that's funny, their own party is shutting them out!!

Way to go Jan Brewer!

Now, all you illegals can just GO HOME and stay there! This should be a federal law. We have had it with illegals and their crimes and crap.

i also say congratulations. how will this affect civil rights? i do not understand. if you are a citizen of the united states then it doesnt affect you. i, for one, would rather the police stop me a hundred times and ask me if i'm here legally than pay 1 dollar of my tax money to house, educate, feed, doctor, etc etc etc an illegal. i'm glad all you civil right activists have more money than i do to continue to support all the illegalls in this country.

Congrats Arizona - now you won't wind up like Calif. If they don't like it here, go back. Huge majority of Calif's problems are because of all the illegals that are in the state. Look out Arizona - you may have a mass migration into your state from fedup Californians.

What is the harm in doing this? The states know where the problem areas are but were powerless to do anything before this. Plus when they turned over illegal people to the federal government, nothing was really done!

Now the state can handle the problem and solve it by deporting those people. Other states will have a growing problem no doubt and will probably follow suit with Arizona to make it against state law also.

If the federal government won't do what they are supposed to do "protecting against this problem, the states will certainly do so.

Finally, somebody with some balls!! Go get them, Arizona!!

Good job, Governor. Take a page, NM, TX, FL and CA. If the Feds won't do the right thing, do it yourselves.

otto -

If someone's driving 70 in a 35 mile an hour zone, they'll be asked for documentation. What's the problem? What's with you guys, you trust the government to do health care even after the dogs lunch they've made of SS and the Medis, but you don't trust government to check documentation?

We don't have an immigration problem with Canada, because their government, for all it's faults has not allowed it's economy to be dependent upon upon drug trafficking and tourism to the exclusion of everything else. Mexico's government is powerless against the drug cartels, and Arizona residents are just supposed to grab their ankles and take it - based on political correctness?

There is a lot of truth to the adage (probably only familiar to people that actually have lived in Canada or the northern tier) "40 below keeps the riff raff out".

Yes, riff raff. Scofflaws. Criminals. Coming into this country illegally is NOT a right, it is NOT a privilege. Everyone on the left seems to want to emulate Europe's nanny state, health care and 50%+ tax rates - why don't you want to emulate their strict immigration policies? Their strict immigration policies are in place as an extension of the nanny state, I would think you would like that.

The left also likes to hollar about spending money on Americans instead of war. Why does that only apply to situations you want it to apply to? Illegal aliens are costing taxpayers billions and reducing the quality of life for Americans - including legal immigrants. What's the problem?

KayCee - no one's shutting anyone out and I don't find it surprising at all that Hispanics who FOLLOWED THE RULES and are paying taxes resent their taxmoney being used to support the lives of criminals - people who did NOT follow the rules.

Honestly - what part of of ILLEGAL are you not understanding?

Congratulations Governor Brewer.

Now if you will come to California and convince the legislators here to do the same thing we will be on a roll! Oh.... I was dreaming again.

Illegal is illegal is illegal, how hard is that to understand?!

I love the wording in the article...The sweeping legislation makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. WTF? Way to go AZ....my mother lives in Yuma and every night when you try to sleep you hear the border patrol helicopters circling overhead....So you might have to produce a birth certificate or a passport..big deal, when traveling to other Countries you do the same. Racial profiling my butt....more like oops there goes a big voting block. If you are here legally then you have nothing to worry about. If you are illegal you need to pay the price. Arizona is just trying to enforce the law...Obama speaking out against it just shows more of his true intentions. Americans are waking up and it is a beautiful thing!

kaycee:

Key word: legal citizens - not anyone's problem.

Illegal=everyone's problem.

obama is doing nothing to help.

Jan Brewer did!

Kudos, AZ!

phusi

amuse me

Voter-in-LA how would you prove you are a citizen ?

1) Carry your birth certificate with you ( birth certificates are the easiest thing to forge i could probably do it on my printer raised seal and all ) they also don't have pictures associated with them so how would i know if you are the person listed.

2) Show your passport (would you expect to go to jail in handcuffs if you don't have it with you) for going 60 in 55 miles/ hour zone

3) Give a test on american history

Phusi, well just to "amuse" you, I came here as a LEGAL alien so I carry a Green Card with me at all times. You see, I bothered to go through all the requirements to obtain legal entry into this country. Sure I could have saved my employer a ton of $$$. Sure I could have saved myself an enornous amount of $$$. But there isn't a person alive anywhere on this planet that does not know there are immigration laws here. Comply with them or suffer the consequences.

But setting that aside for a minute, I was raised in Europe in a country where the carrying of an Identity Card was required. Unlike some people here, I never considered that to be an infringement of my "rights". It's a %$#ing piece of paper. Nothing more nothing less that tells anyone with the right to ask who I am.

And fwiw, I HAVE been whisked off to jail (in West Virginia no less) for speeding to await a hearing before a quickly convened midnight court session before my final card came through. I had my passport on me along with my work permit and visa. Never took it as an insult that the Trooper felt the need to do so. But I can tell you, that kind of treatment is far more preferable than what you would experience in many of the countries who are literally invading these shores these days. Try to be undocumented in much of the rest of the world and see how you like your "rights" over there.

OMG OMG SWEEET, Please bring this to California we need it so bad 8) Hip Hip Hurray Hip Hip Hurray.....

I'm a 26 year old Floridian, and I say it's PAST time to rid ourselves of this problem. I don't care what anyone thinks or says about it. This is an issue of legality, and ethics. It's unethical for Americans like myself, whose families have bled for this country.. Can't even find a job, but you past a million Mexicans and yeah, you can spot the illegals from a mile away.. can't even get an f-ing job! If you can pay one of them three to five bucks less per hour with no benefits on top of that... it's worth it NOT to hire Americans! Either way, it's the tax payer that's been forking the bill, and will CONTINUE to fork the bill... each one of them has 8 kids apiece, going to our schools, using our public programs, taking our jobs, anyone has a complaint about this crap, just come to central Florida. This sht is DISGUSTING and it's past time to just kick them out. I guarantee if they were blacks immigrating across that border they'd shoot their asses but the hispanics are a "silent" threat. They'd have a fit if an ad for a job said ''English speaking ONLY" but nobody says crap when you can't even get a job unless you know Spanish?! Nobody says a thing when the ad says "Must speak Spanish!!

HURRAY!! I agree - now the rest of the states need to follow the law. Glad AZ's governor had the guts to defy the "pressure" put on her from our own government AND the protesting illegals! PAY ATTENTION, CALIFORNIA!

At least the people of Arizona can count on their state to protect them while the federal government does not. If the feds cannot defend our borders effectively, what can they do? And, by the way, feds, leave my friggin healthcare alone! The states will have the last word on that too.

Does anyone else find it ironic that the head of Homeland Security refused to sign a similar law when she was governor of Arizona? Just sayin'. . .

I can't wait for Texas to sign a similar law. I carry my ID with me all the time and have no problem showing it when asked.

The Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund said the bill before Brewer is unconstitutional because regulation of immigration is a federal responsibility.

Personally, I think this argument is horse@!$%#. Arizona is not "regulating" immigration. They are merely ferreting out those who are breaking the law. Period. I hope this does go to the Supreme Court and gets upheld. You know, if the federal government would just GET OFF ITS ASS and protect US citizens, states like Arizona, Oklahoma, etc, would not have to resort to desperate measures like this.

Do I think with the requirement to question suspected illegals could become a bit sticky? Sure, but instead of whining about it, how about proposing another solution. What? Don't have one? Too damn bad, then.

It's about time someone started doing something about illegal immigration. This needs to happen at the Federal level as well.

KayCee-1390629

"Strange thing is that most legal citizens of Hispanic/Mexican/Latino descent are REPUBLICANS!! Now that's funny, their own party is shutting them out!!"

What is really funny is that you have no clue as to what you are talking about. This isn't a partisan issue. It is a legal issue. The fed isn't enforcing its own laws making them mute. And where you have no laws you must make your own. Arizona did just that. If the fed did its job there would have been no need for Arizona to make new laws to protect itself from ILLEGAL INVADERS.

Ask your Members of Congress to reject all forms of amnesty... http://www.numbersusa.com

Dear Senator Boxer, Senator Feinstein, and Representative Davis, Any proposal that allows illegal aliens to remain in the U.S. is an amnesty. Please oppose any form of amnesty. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) was enacted by Congress in response to the large and rapidly growing illegal alien population in the United States. The final bill was the result of a dramatic compromise between those who wanted to reduce illegal immigration into the United States and those who wanted to "wipe the slate clean" for those illegals already living here by granting them legal residence. As enacted, IRCA included a massive amnesty program for two main categories of illegal aliens:

1) those who could show that they had resided illegally in the United States continuously since at least January 1, 1982; and

2) those who had worked as agricultural workers for at least 90 days between May 1, 1985 and May 1, 1986.

As a "balance" to this huge amnesty, IRCA also included several provisions designed to: strengthen the enforcement of immigration laws (including sanctions for employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens); increase border controls; and create a program to verify the immigration status of aliens applying for certain welfare benefits. Unfortunately, the federal the government has failed to adequately provide the enforcement that was promised in 1986.

The IRCA amnesty has been tied to terrorism. Mahmud Abouhalima, a leader of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, was legalized as a seasonal agricultural worker as part of the 1986 IRCA amnesty. This allowed him to travel abroad, including several trips to Afghanistan, where he received terrorist training. Congress has passed several amnesties since 1986 and illegal immigration increased after each one. Today, there are an estimated 12-20 million illegal aliens living and working in the United States. The amnesty solution has failed. We tried this amnesty once in 1986 and Ronald Reagan and Congress told us this would be a one time only process and here we are again 25 years later doing it again. What do you think we are?? STUPID?? Well if you think the American people are behind you on this, you do what you have to on the vote but I know there will be people marching in the street to overturn an amnesty bill if approved by Congress.

Look what ilegal immigration has done to this country in the last 20 years, go ahead just look around you. Maybe you don't see it as well as I do living 8 miles from the border of Mexico, but the Calif. I used to know growing up is now one big barrio. By the way I am a life long Democrat so get the notion out of your head that i'm some ultra-conservitive because that is not the case at all, in fact I grew up in an east L.A. neighborhood of Pico Rivera and learned spanish from my thea-Dottie before I could speak english. We had a mixed neighborhood and it was great growing up in a mixed culture. Once again, how is the US going to absorb 10-20 million more people collecting benefits, food stamps, ESL in school, and the list goes on and on. NO AMNESTY!! What is going to happen and who is going to pay to absorb all of these illegals? The taxpayers, that's who. Not one member of Congress will because you have federal retirement. After 40 quarters of working, a citizen is entitled to Social Security and by adding 10-20 million people through amnesty, we who have paid our entire lives, won't have SSI when we retire. NO AMNESTY !! We finally have a state and a Governer willing to enforce the law. We already have plenty of laws on the books so there is no need for comprehensive immigration reform, just start enforcing the laws we have and send all illegals home, no matter where they're from. Thank you

zorrosmom: why do they not have the right to make and enforce their own state laws? Please explain.

zorrosmom, I am not sure which part of the US Constitution prohibits states from passing and enforcing such a law. Certainly the Constitution prohibits limiting interstate commerce and travel, but that does not apply in this case. This law make take advantage of the clause which leaves undefined powers "to the States".

If the Feds do attempt to interfere with the enforcement of the law, it will become a much needed States rights issue. It will also shine a harsh and unforgiving light on the inaction of the Feds to control our southern border. I don't think the Feds have the stomach for that fight.

At a press conference to announce her decision to sign the bill, the Arizona governor countered the claim of opponents who have said that the law essentially legalizes racial profiling.

This doesn't legalize profiling, it finally gives Arizona the legal clout to deal with 460,000 illegal immigrants. That's a heavy load to carry on Arizona's already stressed infrastructure.

Mexico doesn't want any illegals in their country. You can't even become a citizen without having money to pay your way in. What's "misguided" about this?

I've got nothing against Mexicans, Central Americans, Latin Americans, what a wonderful people this is only right to do, not cruel or mean spirited.

Stacey Peterson

So does this mean if President Obama steps foot in Arizona he will be questioned about his immigration status...

How very clever, Stacey. And yes, of course you are right because no black people have been nor ever will be born in this country. (even if they are only 1/2 black) White Christians did everything, from the founding to now, no other help was used or needed... Just ask the Texas Board of Education.

zorrosmom

You lunatics do realize that the State of Arizona has no legal right to do any of this right?

The state of Arizona has every legal right to do this.

In 1997 AZ sued the Federal Government for the cost of keeping illegals in prison. The Federal and Supreme Court stated that since Arizona was not being invaded by a foreign entity it was the State's problem. They further pointed out by the Constitution, the Federal Government only controls Naturalization Laws. The final verdict was that it is Arizona's problem.

However, that was a nice try Zorro.

Just like California when they tried to have stricter emissions regulations placed upon car makers, and with medical marijuana, the Feds can come in and say "fck you" any time they want.

Feds trumps states.

Now that's bringing it, demitrix. Way to go Arizona!!!

Yes, I agree 100 %, come on America, let's get with the program.

zorrorsmom, AZ has a right to protect its citizens. The increase in illegals here has broken the bank. Murders, kidnappings, drugs, etc, is beyond out of control.

This country has immigration laws but they are not enforced. AZ has moved on an issue that the Feds have chosen, year after year, to ignore. The illegals have more rights in this country than we would have in there country. Here is what Mexico says...

• in the country legally;

• have the means to sustain themselves economically;

• not destined to be burdens on society;

• of economic and social benefit to society;

• of good character and have no criminal records; and

• contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
  

The law also ensures that:

• immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;

• foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;

• foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country's internal politics;

• foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;

• foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;

• those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. And it's Mexico's policy!

We have just as much, actually more, right to expect that those coming into our country are not criminals and that is obtained by entering this country LEGALLY.

The Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund said the bill before Brewer is unconstitutional because regulation of immigration is a federal responsibility.

I wonder if it ever occurred to anyone that IF our Federal Government were doing their job, this law would not be necessary? As long as INS and Border Patrol have their hands tied by the Obama Administration, laws like this, that Obama can not control, will be made necessary by his actions to protect the illegal immigrant criminals in this country so he can give them amnesty, make them citizens and let them tap into public assistance programs that they have yet to pay into and all so the Democrats can garner the illegal immigrant vote.

Before anyone brings it up, yes I know the old argument that only those with a legal right to do so can vote. A fat lot of good that does when we have states like California giving out state issued ID cards and driver license tests in Spanish so the illegals can get public assistance and legally drive in their state. Either one of these allows them to register to vote without proving citizenship and even if the have to show ID at the voting polls, they have one or for a small fee can purchase a fraudulent ID and no one looks at it twice except law enforcement.

So, as long as Obama continues to ignore the illegal immigrant problem, his actions force the various states (especially the border states) to protect themselves.

About time one of our represenitives , represented us and our sovernty. Instead of trying to passify thier voting block and build a newone.

Thankyou Jan HUG!

DW you are a MORON for comparing this to the third reich. My grandfather served in the war on the german side ( no he was not SS he served in europe then africa) and my grandmother was also there to. THEY came here LEGALLY. out of everything that my grandparents told me about the war showing a piece of paper was the least of their concerns. FOOD and surviving was the most important for them. Family friends taking care of each other was more important. When they showed their papers it was for a WAY different reason than to show if you came here ILLEGALLY..

IF your here LEGALLY then you should have NO PROBLEM showing your id. WHY blame us BLAME the ILLEGAL'S if they weren't trying to be here ILLEGALLY then we wouldn't have to do this. I have NO pity for empathy for illegal's. There is no excuse for them being here legally. I think we should do 1 WHOLE sweep across america and boot out ALL illegal's. (not just mexicans but ALL illegal's) If all of us LEGAL citizens agree to it then were not breaking any laws here. Why should illegals get to break the law and be here your teaching your kids form the get go that breaking the law is OK. How many gang members on the streets of Los angeles do you think are illegal or come from illegal's. Imagine how much LESS crime there will be and how much money we will save by getting rid of all illegal's. I believe everyone has a right to try to be here BUT only if they do it LEGALLY GO AZ now when are the other states gonna get off their rumps and do the same

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The people and administrators there know their situation better than any of us "quarterbacks" outside of Arizona. So, personally, I will defer to their judgement that the language of the law will not result in the profiling so many are worried about and will, instead, result in a fair enforcement of our immigration laws.

Look, given the national attention, they'll be under the microscope for a while anyway. And nobody seems to have a better answer. Lets go with it and monitor it closely. If it works, let it spread. If it doesn't, we'll know soon enough.

it will violate American citizen right

WRONG! American citizens have nothing to worry about. Only the illegal criminals invading our country. And by the way, the Constitution demands that we protect our country from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic. So, if you are one of the bleeding hearts that support, assist, or otherwise, any illegal immigrant, you too are an enemy of this country and therefore, should be removed! Besides, illegals have no rights!!!

Hooray! Now watch the illegals move north, east and west. I hope they all go to LA and Chicago!

I wonder how gung-ho you all will be when WHITE people are stopped and asked to produce documentation because they might be illegals from Eastern Europe.

No one from Europe WANTS to come here........

bob5ford

Hooray! Now watch the illegals move north, east and west. I hope they all go to LA and Chicago!

err, yeah...not a Mexican in sight of Southern California...

460,000 estimated illegals in Arizona???? More like 1.5-2 million!!!!!!

"Obama warned earlier Friday that the law "threaten[s] to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe." Obama and congress in general have missed the boat on this and other issues. While they play at ploitics in washington this country is being attacked by illegals...attacked may be a strong word..however, considering the cost of illegals to the citizens of this country it seems to be the right word. WAshington has had years and done nothing....the only thing they seem concerned with are the votes that they might miss because of this issue....Our borders are like a huge drain pipe...and the illegals are still pouring in....its time we got a government that was actually for the people and not wall street and its lobby's. My hats off to this Governor..finally, somneone has the back bone to stand up for the citizens of this country and not bullied by the illegals.

Not quite Smith

The government derives it's power by the consent of it's citizens. The states maintain a national guard that are actually the front line of defense against Mexico, Canada, Cuba, and Russia.

It is actually illegal for the US Army to be used inside the US Border against it's own citizens. The National Guard can by order of the individual Governors. The Union army in the civil war was made up of units of state armed forces. Why the Civil War was legal was because the southern states withdrew from the union and attacked Union Forces.

Arizona has considered this carefully. This is a huge blow to the two reigning political parties who want to exploit illegal aliens by giving them rights to vote and use our money and facilites at our expense.

This also affirms what we have held to all people that wish to come here. Follow the rules and you are welcome instead of come any way you please and do what ever you wish legal or illegal.

I think it is about time. Federal government can take a seat and watch the states take control. Enforcing a law that is already on the books shouldn't need to have a state law to make it happen. But because there has been such a laxed approach to our borders and now that states income is drastically decreased, I'll be surprised if other states don't make a break for this kind of law to cut their losses on federal programs that are out of control spending. Kudos to Arizona. If you are here legally you need not fear, there will be a massive movement in the next couple of months. At least AZ gave them 90 days to pack up and leave before they law is inacted.

Hey ZORRO, how do you figure that AZ cannot do this? OH YES THEY CAN!

It will be interesting though to watch as Arizona falls apart without the labor force. Americans cant get their fat lazy asses out to work the kind of jobs the Mexicans do here. What a f*%$ing joke.

Interesting comment. About 2 months ago the local Sheriff arrested some 80+ undocumented workers at a new hospital's construction site (Federal dollars of course). The next day, there were 80+ new workers there. Previously unemployed American construction workers I might add. I do wish however that the Sheriff had ran the contractor hiring the undocumented workers out of town too.

Here's what you do with racial profiling. Check a latino, check a white guy. Simple as that. Throw in a black or Asain every once in awhile. Problem fixed.

LMarcT -

When Bush did nothing about this problem, it was his fault. And Clinton and Bush.

It's is now Obama's fault. That's the way it goes. The Hispanic community is pissed at him because he's done nothing, American citizens whose lives are impacted by his lack of doing anything are pissed at him - and his answer is amnesty. It was a bad idea when Reagan did it, and that was only 3 million. This is 12-20 million people and the logistics of getting them out are daunting so oddly I do support A PATH to citizenship. I don't remember the congressmembers name but the overview sounded rational: fines, back taxes, seven years, civics classes, etc - and a test. JUST like it's already supposed to be.

The problem with the bill as it currently stands is there is too little enforcement of our borders - STILL. We cannot offer amnesty and keep the borders open - its unsustainable.

Thank you Jan Brewer for not backing down the critics and the president! You have made the right chioce and judging from the responses seen here, the majority of the public feels this is needed since the federal government seems to want to do nothing but give, give, and give some more to the illegals. I'm an American citizen and nothing has ever been handed to me. I have had to work for everything I have, with pride. I'm tired of the handouts and bailouts and when people don't agree with that type of policy, they're called racists, bigots, uncaring, and out for themselves. We need to vote this man out of office the next go around!!!

WTG AZ. I glad to see a politition has balls. Maybe the male polititions should go a few. starting with our President. He'd never follow suit because he would lose his voting base. I am so glad someone with power finally learned how to use it constructively. Now we have to pray more states will follow if not AZ is gonna get real crowded because I'll be moving. It would be nice to live in a state where your proud of the leaders. By the way I live in WA state don't bother comin here because we have a bunch of no brained sissies!!!!!

I applaud the Governor, now if California would just wake up. The US needs to know who is here. I think the next step is to stop hiring, educating, and providing medical and welfare services to illegal (criminal) immigrants. We need a consitutional amendment fixing the anchor baby problem as well (no more automatic citzenship for just being born here). Our neighbor to the North, Canada fixed that problem years ago!

YES!!! Finally someone with cojones! And a woman at that! Now if the other states will step up to the plate. I'm sooo glad to see this!!

This bill is a good thing. Why are some so agitated at a law that makes it illegal to be here illegally. Federal law already does this. What the liberals don't like is the manner of its enforcement and the possibility of profiling. That can be handled rather easily and sill pass constitutional muster. Their complaints are a red herring. The real reason liberals are against this bill, and the possibility that the other states would mirror this, is that they want more democrats. Children born of illegal immigrants in this country are US citizens. They are likely to be democrats. Get rid of illegal immigrants and you get rid of a huge pool of future democrats. My other concern is that many Hispanic leaders are against deporting illegal aliens because they are Hispanic. My thoughts are where do your loyalties lay, with your culture or your country. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If it is illegal to be in the US then you need to be prosecuted for violating the law. Anyone opposed to this is in favor of illegal immigration.

Thank you Gov. Brewer. The ACLU isn't going to like the signing or enforcement of this bill but my question to them is, as a citizen of the US, what about my rights to not have to pay for all these people being here illegally? We pay for their schooling, their medical care, etc., and frankly, I don't want to pay for them anymore. Again, thank you, Gov.

Let The Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund spend all of their money trying to fight this LAW. we have the right to choose who we let in. Obama* is the mis-guided one. it must be all that Illegal money that Obama* got during the campaign.

That is right Fred, food costs, hotel costs, construction costs, landscaping costs... this is stupid and insane...anyway once the "illegals" are gone who are we going to blame all of our problems on I wonder?

Doesn't surprise me, the GOP has worked progressively to destroy the Civil Rights Act over 40 years. According to the GOP and their conservative allies the only people who are entitled to civil rights are white males, in good health and under the age of 40.

Oh!!, and white women as long as they are willing to work in low paying jobs and be submissive to their male counterparts.

"CHA CHING!!!!!!! Always carry your cameras people. Your payday could be next!"

This is one of the problems in America today. No one wants to really work they just want a quick payday and the freebies, then they get upset when it does not work. I have seen if far to many times where someone just happened to have a camera at the right spot the right time and the person on the camera is obviously baiting the authoriteis.

I can understand why people would want to come here but there are legal valid ways to do it. Sneaking across a border is not one of them. When people are ingnoring the law then they should be held accouantable.

Police in Arizona enforce the law, do not profile (for another time but profiling is a valid tool in criminal investigation), do not get baited into excessive force and do a good job.

Andy

That won't happen, the illegals will all leave and there won't be any need to ask anyone. Problem solved. Should have enforced the laws from the get go and there wouldn't be this mess that the past several presidents and federal governments have ignored. The states have the rights to ask for proof of citizenship, in some states you have to have a passport to renew your license and it doesn't matter what color your skin is. I'm going to get my passport as it should be the next step in every state.

Families won't be separated, if you are here illegally and your children are citizens will you leave your children behind? I think not, you would take them with you and maybe do it right and become a legal citizen.

Congratulations, AZ! We can only hope that other states will follow suit, as the FEDS have completely ignored this problem, while it spirals out of control.

Anyone who thinks this is just a border problem is dead wrong. There are many illegals here in the Midwest, too, taking jobs and public assistance. It is illegal in my state for public assistance workers to report illegal aliens to the FEDS or anyone else. Instead , they must just hand out the assistance paid for by American citizens. What CRAP!

Now, we have to hear about American citizens being killed by these illegal aliens, whilst our President continues his tradition of campaigning for this, that, or the other and completely ignoring the problem (other than talking about amnesty for them, occasionally....! )

GO, AZ and all other states!

southernyankee89

You mean you haven't heard about the illegal white eastern european problem we're having? Where have you been?

THey're tunneling under the Atlantic and popping up in Arizona and trying to make their way to California. Quite dirty when they pop out and are identified incorrectly.

Geesh people. Law enforcement can't just walk up to folks and demand their green cards. Now if they are breaking the law, yes, they can ask.

AZ has a right and an obligation to protect its citizens.

Keep in mind too that this became much more in demand because of a farmer, living near the border and walking on his own property, who was killed by an illegal. Yep, shot him dead, his dog too. Then he scooted back across the border. But what is to stop him from trying again.

The Feds have not wanted to take this on because if they strengthen our laws they are afraid of losing votes. While the illegals can't vote, you can bet for every 1 illegally here, they know 2 that are legal and can vote.

...and a SUPER amen to that! We need more like her!

No matter how you look at it, illegal is illegal. If they ain't here legal, round em' up and send them back!

Seems pretty idiotic when people try to blame this president for the inaction but then say in the same breath that this has been a problem for decades. First of all the action in AZ is really not going to do much at all. It is all just eyewash to make people think something is happening. It will cost a lot in lawsuits for the state. Second, it really is just going to make the cops job so much more difficult because they will be pressured to spend a lot of time doing what the feds should be doing and even worse, no one is going to cooperate with them for fear of being questioned by them about their status. I am NOT for just turning our backs and ignoring the huge problem that illegals are, but at the same time what is needed is a unified and really enforceable plan, not a state by state plan. The border is our NATIONAL border, not just a state border. I really couldn't care less what AZ does. This was just posturing and will cost them a lot of money. No skin off my a$$.

Brewer is a racist liar, racial profiling wil take place !!!!! ..... I will boycott anything Arizona until this law is repealed, and I call on every fair minded American to do the same ..... A real quote from history for thought :

"First they came for the Jews, I was not a Jew, so I did not object, ....then they came for the homsosexuals, I was not homosexual, so I did not object, .....then they came for the gypsies, the Catholics, the Bohemians, the Socialists, and I did not object ....... Then they came for me ...... AND THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT TO OBJECT " ...... Hitler's Nazi Germany, late 1930s ........

Sucks to be ILLEGAL in Arizona today........LOL

You see how soon the VIOLENCE started the second Jan Brewer signed the bill???

It was all those peaceful opposition Protesters too. They are all on film, Joe will bepaying them a visit. How much time you get for being illegal AND for assaulting a police officer???

Way too go Republicans! Way too GUARANTEE another Democratic victory come 2012 by alienating the ENTIRE Hispanic vote. Trust me when I say Hispanics will remember this forever. We NEVER forget those who have shunned us out and have deliberately segregated and trampled on our civil liberties. I'm not talking about illegals. Im talking about the millions of LEGAL Hispanic CITIZENS that have paid their part to live the American dream. Cause you all know dam well this is a Law that allows Racial profiling against Latinos.With this passage you will just hand the DEMS the next election, so thanks again.

Don't worry. If you're stopped by the Arizona police without "your papers" just tell them you work for Oskar Schindler.

From the article:

At the Capitol, some 2,000 protesters booed county Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox when she announced that "the governor did not listen to our prayers." Trying praying to God next time.

"It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants." Friends and family are training this citizen well. Wonder what's going to happen when he mouths off to a pig? Fortunately, most officers have been trained to restrain from reacting to verbal taunts.

Pragmatic,

I won't give you much of an argument here. YES, I agree its this administration's responsibility. I'm just tired of the misleading comments and misdirection as though there is a specific action being taken to unenforce these laws... there isn't that I'm aware of. But it IS just wonderful that you and others already know that Obama will call for amnesty... goes right along with the massive gun control he's called for (not).

Kc77

The state of Arizona has every legal right to do this.

Actually it doesn't. Any law that only goes after a certain race of people and not others is not constitutional and that's exactly what this law does.

The new law does not say anything about detaining or questioning Latinos only, that would be illegal and I agree with it.

It does say that while in due duty of an officer performing their job, they are recquired to request identification and if any questions arise to the validation of the legal staus of the suspect, they are recquired to detain them.

It says absolutely nothing about pertaining to Latinos only.

Only the latinos are saying it directly affects them. Arizona also has Liberians, Cubans and many other ethnic groups that are illegal. In 1996 my buddy from Canada was deported.

The fact is that Latinos are upset because we are a border state.

If Florida enacted this law, Cubans would be upset, North Dakota Canadiens.

Arizona--My home state (yes, I was born there, and proud of it), I am well-pleased.

Mr. Obama: Mexican is not a race, it is a nationality. And these are not immigrants, but hostile invaders. So, please get off of your candy-ass and take a clue. Now didn't your wife recently blurt that your home country is Kenya? Are you feeling a bit two-faced, perhaps?

In Arkansas, illegals are given "pseudo" social security nos in order to get welfare, foodstamps, and medicaid. It is definitely a don't ask, don't tell policy. After all, job security....at the cost of the taxpayers. Sickening.

Who, but this idiotic sitting POTUS would think that it would violate civil rights and be illegal to send illegals back to Mexico???? He's thinking about next election...Remember how difficult it was to register to vote/vote in California? Just have your utility bill. What a sham!!!! Who could come up with something that stupid? Don't show a picture ID. Idiots and scheming politicians thought that one up.

Nancy Pelosi has probably had a stroke. After all, she and Boxer believe you should kill unborn babies and pay the bills for illegals. Why are these crazy people in office?

For everyone that thinks this is not a good move, and that this governor was wrong, I invite you to adopt an illegal family. Feed, clothe, house them, pay their medical bills AT YOUR EXPENSE....FINALLY....someone had the guts; and GOOD SENSE to call illegal, illegal. She had repeatedly asked for help, but no help was ever coming. Obama doesn't want to uphold the Constitution. He has made a complete mockery of it so far. Of course Obama doesn't know illegal, either. Look at his friends: Rezko and Ayers. He comes from Chicagoland politics. He is the scum under the Titanic.

American Latina, I can understand that you feel hurt by this bill BUT this bill may prevent the murder of Hispanics that are here legally. Crime in the PHX area has increased year after year. Innocent people, including children, are dying because of gang drug wars that are spilling over here from Mexico and many of the murders are Mexicans against Mexicans. How long is AZ suppose to ignore this? Live here, worry about getting caught up in a gang fight, then pass judgement.

Again, look at Mexico's policy. Are they allowed to have it their way but expect us to just ignore our laws.

Mexico should retaliate by closing the border, as if the government of Mexico was really in charge.

WHY MEXICO PROTEST FOR THE LAW...IF THEY ARE VERY VERY BAD WITH ALL INMIGRANTS THAT CROSS MEXICO FROM CENTRAL AMERICA....and the funny think protesting in Arizona with Mexican flags..try to protest in Mexico with USA flag o another country and you are dead meat....thanks

WARNING, WARNING, WARNING, WILL ROBINSON !! Wait till next week when Obama and the Dems start to cram through "immigration reform" or more honestly...AMNESTY....and if that RepublicanProgressive-lite Lindsey Grahamm doesn't see the errors of his ways (Co-sponsor) we are just weeks away from having 15-20 million instant citizens....maybe even in time to vote this November !!.....this will be even more impossible to "undo" than ObamaCare....how do you take away a former illegals new citizenship ?????

Everything else the White House is working on....Banking/Wall Street "reform", Cap & Tax, Iran , Korea....will all be put on the back burner....Start calling your Senators and Representatives NOW.....

"I HAVE been whisked off to jail (in West Virginia no less) for speeding to await a hearing before a quickly convened midnight court session before my final card came through. I had my passport on me along with my work permit and visa. Never took it as an insult that the Trooper felt the need to do so."

Well, I would sue the last shirt off this state trooper and his department. Him not knowing the damn law is not my effin' problem if my paperwork is OK... I never have more than my DL and SS card on me. I am just waiting for some dumbass to arrest me based on my accent. I am ready to retire...

I live in Wisconsin and illegal immigration is getting to be an epidemic up here too. With all the rapes, killings, gangs, druges, thefts hit and runs, drunk driving, using the welfare system, and taking jobs from US citizens.

Just one of a lot of incidents was a few years ago 2 Illegals took a girl out in a field were they beat and reputedly raped her then set her on fire to let her die. If they weren’t here that girl would of not had to go though that

I could write a book on all the damage they are doing to people and cost to the government Get them out of the USA Now

All these Illegals are traitors to the United States. They will not speak English to each other. They consider it a "Cardinal sin" to speak English to one another. They do not want to be Americanized. I am sick and tired of seeing a Hispanic behind a counter to serve the Hispanic population. Most are not even fluent in English. So what about me? I don't have any rights? I have to suffer talking to someone who can't understand me or me them! They caused this problem by not speaking English. So I double dog dare, I triple dog dare any Hispanic legal or not to stand up tomorrow 4/24/2010 and tell their fellow Hispanics to start speaking English every where they go. Not to ever forget where they came from but to remember where they are...... The United States!! That they need to be more American to blend in. I can't tell who is legal or not because they all speak Spanish to each other even when talking to me. I/we feel they are all very impolite and racist in doing so. I know one thing you tell a Illegal has just been to the rest room because he wipes his butt and throws the paper on the floor!! Yes, still to this day they do this.

"...the law "threaten[s] to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe."

The law does NOT undermine American basic notions of fairness. What it does is point out that our forefathers cherished becoming Americans legally. Now, their heirs want to know why they should be insulted and denigrated by the army of invaders of their country. I know of absolutely no poll nor request to violate our laws to accommodate invaders and allow them to infiltrate and violate our precious laws.

We seem to have fallen vulnerable to a fifth column who are defined as: "fifth column n. A clandestine subversive organization working within a country to further an invading enemy's military and political aims."

Of course Mexico has only a laughable military (they couldn't join the world when the two great World Wars were fought, nor any war America was involved in), but they seem to have political aims about our America.

Hooray for Colorado. Now, if I could only get the liberal governor of New Mexico to admit he is prejudiced against the real American.

Just sayin'.

AndyBlue-674311

You are Correct American Latina. Not only that, you would think that these republicans were working for Obama. They cemented the fact that immigration reform will be something that Obama administration will get credit for.

They could have pushed when Bush was in office but they squandered that opportunity while defending torture until they found out what it really was. Its like they are handing the issue to Obama on a silver platter and making sure he gets to be at the lead. Are the tea bagger protesting repubs sure these people are on their side?

Thanks republicans. I can always depend on you to make diots of yourselves , ie; the past 8 years followed by the past year and a half of whining.

I have never been more proud to be American. Thank you Barack Obama.

Vush was building a fence that was effective, Presient Obama stopped that fence.

Bush WAS doing something.

President Obama has an Aunt that has legally been ordered to leave America TWICE.

She attended Inauguration Balls under the order to leave the country.

It was only after the fact she received an extension. Makes me wonder what President Obama is truly thinking about Naturalization reform.

It does say that while in due duty of an officer performing their job, they are recquired to request identification and if any questions arise to the validation of the legal staus of the suspect, they are recquired to detain them.

Yeah they will just accidentally bump into only Latinos then it will just so happen that they need ID. Yeah that's entirely believable.

It's not like this hasn't been tried before. Similar laws existed after the civil war whereby any African American within the south without identification was considered a fugitive and thus breaking the law. This is no different. Any Latino that doesn't have ID is automatically a suspect and will be detained. If you think that's going to happen to an old white couple walking the streets without ID you're just not dealing with reality, or just intensionally avoiding the obvious.

I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done. This is just not the way to do it...at all.

MMos-575010

American Latina, I can understand that you feel hurt by this bill BUT this bill may prevent the murder of Hispanics that are here legally. Crime in the PHX area has increased year after year. Innocent people, including children, are dying because of gang drug wars that are spilling over here from Mexico and many of the murders are Mexicans against Mexicans. How long is AZ suppose to ignore this? Live here, worry about getting caught up in a gang fight, then pass judgement.

Again, look at Mexico's policy. Are they allowed to have it their way but expect us to just ignore our laws.

We continually group this as "Mexicans" but it is Gutamalens, el salvador, Panama, Cost Rica et al. Mexico is the most prominent.

I find it hilarious that Mexico's Government is offended by this legislation when they have mandatory Jail Time for anyone South of them entering Mexico. Hypocrites to the extreme.

The Mexican Government realizes that behind tourism and oil, money sent home to Mexico is one of their Major industries.

In the Wild West Days, and remember Arizona is a Wild West State Outlaws would head to South to avoid the law. Now we have created the opposite where their most wanted head to the USA.

FINALLY!!!!!!! Thank you Arizona!!!! A State Finally Stepped UP!!!!

WAY TO GO!!!!!!

OBAMA, Shut the hell up!

Kc77

It does say that while in due duty of an officer performing their job, they are recquired to request identification and if any questions arise to the validation of the legal staus of the suspect, they are recquired to detain them.

Yeah they will just accidentally bump into only Latinos then it will just so happen that they need ID. Yeah that's entirely believable.

It's not like this hasn't been tried before. Similar laws existed after the civil war whereby any African American within the south without identification was considered a fugitive and thus breaking the law. This is no different. Any Latino that doesn't have ID is automatically a suspect and will be detained. If you think that's going to happen to an old white couple walking the streets without ID you're just not dealing with reality.

No, you are wrong. After the Civil War the United States Government instituted the 14th Amendment. This was Naturalization of any citizen born within the United States.

However, a very nice try at attempting to change history.

Also I digress, it was not the US Government that created that law. It was the Constitutional Convention after the war that created Naturalization.

Remember the Federal Government cannot change nor Amend the Constititution without ratification of the states. The power has and all ways should fall to the states since we are a Republic and not a Democracy.

Today,

ELFRIDA, Ariz. -- Sixty-seven illegal immigrants were found crammed inside a U-Haul truck near Elfrida, Ariz. about 20 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border after deputies spotted it driving erratically.

Cochise County sheriff's spokeswoman Carol Capas said Friday that deputies pulled the U-Haul over Thursday evening, and the driver and front passenger ran out of the vehicle into the desert.

The two, believed to be smugglers, got away.

Meanwhile, deputies found 67 illegal immigrants in the back of the 26-foot truck.

Capas says the truck appeared to have been loaded in the last seven hours and that it was "cramped."

She could not speak to the conditions inside the truck and says the immigrants were turned over to the Border Patrol.

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We read articles like this all the time. Now keep in mind that if this truck breaks down or runs out of gas, the driver just leaves it. We've had many cases of trucks/vans being found out in the dessert, crammed full of illegals, and they are dead. Stuffed into a locked truck or van, these people don't stand a chance with the temps AZ gets up to.

First, in my last post (1.123), I had *dessert* when I meant desert. Guess I shouldn't have typed whilst eating chocolate cake. LOL

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demitrix said:We continually group this as "Mexicans" but it is Gutamalens, el salvador, Panama, Cost Rica et al. Mexico is the most prominent.

I am addressing more to the Mexicans because they are the ones protesting the most at our statehouse at this time.

MMos-575010

First, in my last post (1.123), I had *dessert* when I meant desert. Guess I shouldn't have typed whilst eating chocolate cake. LOL

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demitrix said:We continually group this as "Mexicans" but it is Gutamalens, el salvador, Panama, Cost Rica et al. Mexico is the most prominent.

I am addressing more to the Mexicans because they are the ones protesting the most at our statehouse at this time.

I live here in Arizona also, I just wanted to make sure that people outside of Arizona realize we are not only speaking of Mexicans.

If you look deeply you will see Mexicans are extremely "Nationalist" they become Latinos when convienient, but they dislike every other Latino country out there.

Gov. brewer even spoke at Chicanos por la Causa last night, a group that claims representing Latino Rights, but has all ways made sure Mexican Rights come first at the expense of their southern neighbors.

LMarcT -

There's already at least one bill in the House, and it calls for amnesty - aka "path to citizenship". It also has a bunch of drek insuring the "rights" of criminals - aka illegal aliens.

http://honda.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=859:details-on-comprehensive-immigration-reform&catid=16:blog-posts&Itemid=357

If that's the way Congress is going, would you like to suggest that Obama has had no discussions with the authors of the bill? He has been talking about a "path to citizenship" since at least '08.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/288/provide-a-path-to-citizenship-for-undocumented-imm/

For ALL of you wankering on about race, this is not about race.

This is about illegal activity, that is reducing and even destroying the quality of life for legal United States residents. Period.

You really, really need to stop with the race baiting, it's already no longer meaningful and actually weakens your argument because it has been played so many times - WRONGLY. I would suggest YOU'RE actually the racists, who expect people to allow illegal immigrants in AZ to continue to BREAK THE LAW just because they're NOT white. Choke on that.

Disagreeing with Obama does not make people racists, nor does the ever-increasing refusal to just sit back and pay MORE taxes to fund "social programs" that sucking this country dry and accomplishing little to nothing. The Tea Party being predominantly white does not make them racist - when you consider that nearly 70% of the population of this country is white, and 95% of voting blacks voted for Obama. Would you expect blacks to be Tea Party members in large numbers? Not if you have the sense given to algae, you wouldn't.

KayCee, where do you get you misinformation. I live in AZ and most of the hispanics I know are democrats.

greg,

What do you think will happen if 'immigration reform' (aka AMNESTY) is passed?

it's an ugly scenario. let's say there are 20 million illegals in the US. i've heard estimates that claim more, and estimates that claim less.

anyway, 20 million illegals are given amnesty. those 20 million can now bring close family members legally into the US to become citizens. hispanic families are typically very large. let's say that each illegal brings 4 family members with them.

the original 20 million suddenly balloons to 100 million. that is about a third of the entire population of this country! for the most part, these new Americans will be dirt poor, non-educated, and non-english speaking. many of the illegals i've been exposed to show extreme loyalty to mexico, none to the US.

100 million moslty dirt poor,under-educated, non-english speaking people whose loyalty lies with another country? can we afford that? do we want that? no and no as far as i'm concerned.

"Civil Rights" violation my derriere..........

First, the passage of this upholds federal laws already in place but not demonstrated by federal law enforcement............, it clearly conforms to both Articles IX and X of the Constitution, something which that mother _ucking, lying, fraudulant MARXIST "president" Maobama - the _ucking idiot needs to remind himself of................, STATES RIGHTS, which is what the Constitution is utlimately focused on. Again, the fraudulent MARXIST, Scumbama conspicuously avoided mentioning in his violation-of-the-Constution remarks so as to apease the Marxists throughout this nation.

Go Arizona.

US President:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

Contact Congress:

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

I just have to comment, that President Obama does not care one bit; as April 2009 and August 2009 during his meeting at Guadalajara Mexico with the Mexican President he made his position perfectly clear:

April 2009, President Obama meeting with Mexican President: US Military will not be used to secure US Borders.

August 2009, President Obama meeting with Mexican President and Canadian Prime Minister: US Military will not be used to secure US Borders.

Note: The revised Insurrection Act negates the Posse Comitas Act, to allow US Military to be used within US. This would allow the US Military under the Command, Control, Communications, Coordination of US NORTHCOM to secure the US Borders, then perform a sweep from Northeast to Southwest US. Then using USAF and USN assets the immediate deportation/transportation of all Illegal Aliens.

By the way the proper English term is "Illegal Aliens"; not "Illegal Immigrants" as used to dilute their Legal Status and confuse them with Legal Immigrants (the term Illegal Immigrants gives all Legal Immigrants a bad name). This is why the 2006 Illegal Alien Act was named that, this was reviewed by the US Supreme Court for "legality", this is why President Obama does not have a leg to stand on pertaining to the Arizona Illegal Immigrant Law.

Also stated by President Obama, August 2009, Guadalajara Mexico:

And immigration remained a sore spot. While Obama has said he'd like to start crafting an overhaul that legalizes millions of Mexican immigrants, there's little chance of Congress acting this year, since even top administration priorities like health care and climate policy are moving slowly amid heated partisan debate.

During the 2006 Illegal (no permits) Nationwide Demonstrations of Illegal Aliens to defeat the 2006 Congressional Illegal Alien Act, the count was over 23 Million Illegal Aliens. This does not include those Illegal Aliens that stayed away from the Illegal Demonstrations as not to draw attention to themselves with ICE and INS. It is also known that La Raza organized the Illegal Nationwide Demonstrations of Illegal Aliens; just like they have internet sites that provide information on individual States Benefits, Medical Facilities, Points of Contact, Legal Defense, specifically for Mexican expectant mothers. It is not known if these internet sites are sponsored (funded) by the Mexican Government.

As a matter of "National Security" it is known that the Illegal Aliens are forced to cooperate with Terrorists by the Mexican Drug Lords. With the Mexican Drug Lords also providing their services of human trafficking, smuggling, forged documents, forged indentification, identity theft, weapons, safe locations in the US, intelligence, money laundrying, points of contact within the US, etc.. With the Terrorist intent of attacking "Soft Targets" within the US with WMDs (this is why all States that do not obey the Federal Laws (or now State) need to have the US Military Installations moved to safer locations, like Southeast US as a matter of "National Security".). The Terrorists are also learning from the Mexican Drug Lords:

Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers (not detectable by full body scanners):

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml?tag=pop

The amount of Political pressure that this Administration has placed on "Legalizing" the Illegal Aliens includes counting them in the 2010 Census, this is Policy not Law, with the result of:

California could get nine House seats it doesn't deserve because illegal aliens will be counted in 2010.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574332950796281832.html?mod=djemEditorialPage

Translation: Illegal Aliens will determine the next US President and US Vice President thru the Electoral College Votes.

California had it's chance with Proposition 187 "Save Our State Initiative", which was declared Illegal by the California Courts as fought in California Courts by La Raza.

Bankrupt Illegal Alien Harbor State of California spending over 10 Billion USDs each year of the 85 Billion USD yearly budget (California General Fund) on Illegal Aliens instead of using the 10 Billion for Legal California residents, like brush clearing (result forest fires, resulting mudslides), irrigation (result current droughts), infrastructure, education (result higher tuitions at USC), Law Enforcement (result with gangs MS-13, MS-14, Surenos, Nortenos, La Familia claiming to "own" California), Firefighting (result having to let fires burn or rely on volunteers), Medical Facilities (result Bankruptcy, reference Bankruptcy Court Documents of Illegal Aliens using fake identification, fake names, and security/surveillence videos), etc. Only one Illegal Alien Works and now 10 collect "Public Assistance" (used to be 8, with most of the money being sent back to Mexico). None pay State nor Federal Income Taxes, since the State or Federal Tax Agencies will turn them in to ICE or INS.

Can't be enforced, 99.9% of law enforcement in Arizona are HISPANICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

The only thing I don't like about this law, is that cops can ask for ID of ANYONE and the person must show said ID. This has always been illegal. Cops are only allowed to ask for ID if a law was broken. It's to protect everyone's rights. If you want to get to the heart of illegal immigration, you do it through the work place by going after employers who hire illegals and by taking other incentives away.

I also agree that AZ will have to figure out what to do with all the "anchor" babies. These children are legal natural born citizens according to the Constitution. Article 14 merely says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, and the State wherein they reside."

I don't think that Amendment was well written. Perhaps the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" may be seen as way to get around the "anchor" baby problem through the fact that the parents being a citizen of another country are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US; therefore this might show that the children are not in fact natural born citizens. Just a thought. I'm not a lawyer, but "anchor" babies do present a problem because of the 14th Amendment.

That said, Illegal immigration is a big problem in America. I find it ridiculous that of all the countries on this planet, the US cannot force it's immigration laws with out being called names or threatened.

I was born in L.A., but married a Canadian 5 years ago. I am now a legal resident of Canada. I went through the process, I respected Canada's immigration laws. Before my residency came through, I wasn't covered under their Provincial Health Care. I had to pay out my own pocket, w/ family help, when I had an ectopic pregnancy.

I didn't go protest at Parliament Hill saying my rights were being violated because I couldn't get everything a Canadian citizen or resident could get. I had that understanding when I came here. It's not easy being an illegal here, but the police don't go around pulling people over asking for their papers. I don't carry my resident card with me, cause the police here can't ask for it. Yet illegal immigration is not as big a problem up here.

You don't need a stazi to enforce immigration laws. You take away the incentives. Illegals don't get free health care or free rides through college up here, and the penalties for hiring illegals are more often enforced. I do know Vancouver has a problem with Chinese citizens bringing illegals over and sticking them in sweatshops. The cops there are always busting these sweatshops in Chinatown. So illegal immigration isn't non existent, but it's handled more efficiently. Canadians are very Nationalistic, and don't mess around.

shame on you and brewer. to condemn anyone who don't look american. exactly what does an american look like? how unchristian of you .people should always come before money for us to thrive as a country.

BigMistake1070

Can't be enforced, 99.9% of law enforcement in Arizona are HISPANICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

ha ha ha, by not enforcing the law they are breaking the law.

You are hilarious.

This forces law enforcement to "enforce" the law.

Most interesting case will be when an officer is found not enforcing the law and letting criminals go.

Bravo to the governor. I have never seen such a high percentage of crime, drug warfare, and illegal people than in the state of AZ. We need protection and a realistic attitude. This is not the time to let our country down. We need unity, accountability, strength. Drugs, crime and illegals go hand in hand. Our children are also affected by this. The border patrol is costing us time, money and lives. It is well worth it. We need to increase border patrol to the fullest. Thank-you so much for signing the bill.

Bill 1070 has total 17 pages and it is simple action on current laws, a state can act on federal laws and there is nothing unconstitutional about this.

Here are two points from what Senator Schumacher of NY Wants:

His Immigration Bill to be introduced this summer in the senate had over 800 pages at last count, and they are certainly to go up.

1. This bill will require Bio-Metrics SS cards, according to senator, this will reduce the forgeries of SS cards by illegal aliens.

My take: Big expense to replace 380Million current SS cards, who is going to pay for this????

2. Temporary Work Visa Permits and Secure Path to citizenship: Nothing to be said here but free ticket to many more who will break the laws of this Nation.

When will they say illegal means illegal and now go home you are not welcome.

Honestly I am just tired of everyone else having more rights then the Americans in their own country. Children are tought in Spanish more then English in America. I am tired of people saying if the Americans werent so lazy we wouldn't have a need for the illegals to do the work. Maybe it isn't that the Americans are lazy but the rich who are too lazy to do it themselfs don't want to pay a fair price for someone to do it. Must be they have extra funds also not to mind their taxes paying to support these illegals. When I went H&R block to do my taxes the man told me he used to have the migrant workers come in that worked for a local, large egg farm that would not use a TIN but a social # which gave them thousands of dollars in refunds, but I can't get that much back. He started to refuse them using the SS# and required the employers TIN and they started going elsewhere. So I will REFUSE to purchase their product....they are doing their own country wrong and wish I knew how to alert someone on what they are doing. Oh what, I am sure that would offend someone, heaven forbid someone has to follow the laws in America. Just tired and think we are in too deep now to change, unless we change to speaking Spanish.

Kate Indigo

The only thing I don't like about this law, is that cops can ask for ID of ANYONE and the person must show said ID. This has always been illegal. Cops are only allowed to ask for ID if a law was broken. It's to protect everyone's rights. If you want to get to the heart of illegal immigration, you do it through the work place by going after employers who hire illegals and by taking other incentives away.

I also agree that AZ will have to figure out what to do with all the "anchor" babies. These children are legal natural born citizens according to the Constitution. Article 14 merely says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, and the State wherein they reside."

I don't think that Amendment was well written. Perhaps the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" may be seen as way to get around the "anchor" baby problem through the fact that the parents being a citizen of another country are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US; therefore this might show that the children are not in fact natural born citizens. Just a thought. I'm not a lawyer, but "anchor" babies do present a problem because of the 14th Amendment.

That said, Illegal immigration is a big problem in America. I find it ridiculous that of all the countries on this planet, the US cannot force it's immigration laws with out being called names or threatened.

I was born in L.A., but married a Canadian 5 years ago. I am now a legal resident of Canada. I went through the process, I respected Canada's immigration laws. Before my residency came through, I wasn't covered under their Provincial Health Care. I had to pay out my own pocket, w/ family help, when I had an ectopic pregnancy.

I didn't go protest at Parliament Hill saying my rights were being violated because I couldn't get everything a Canadian citizen or resident could get. I had that understanding when I came here. It's not easy being an illegal here, but the police don't go around pulling people over asking for their papers. I don't carry my resident card with me, cause the police here can't ask for it. Yet illegal immigration is not as big a problem up here.

You don't need a stazi to enforce immigration laws. You take away the incentives. Illegals don't get free health care or free rides through college up here, and the penalties for hiring illegals are more often enforced. I do know Vancouver has a problem with Chinese citizens bringing illegals over and sticking them in sweatshops. The cops there are always busting these sweatshops in Chinatown. So illegal immigration isn't non existent, but it's handled more efficiently. Canadians are very Nationalistic, and don't mess around.

Well written and well said.

I am currently waiting for my legal Costa Rica Citzenship to be approved. I am doing evrything legally. I could easily move to Costa Rica now and conduct my business since I all ready own a home, but I want to make sure all of my t's and i's are dotted and crossed.

God Bless America and Way to Go, Arizona!! It is time for Americans to rise up and stand for what the laws are intended for, not what the ACLU, MALDEF, PELOSI, REID, MANY OTHER DC POLITICIANS, and OTHER ANTI-AMERICAN INTERESTS, are trying to do this great country. ...and No, I am NOT some right-wing extremist; just an everyday citizen who has had enough in the taking care of others, when we have lots of American citizens needing help first. Wishing the best of luck to Arizona in their efforts!

The lawsuits for false arrest and racial profiling are going to bankrupt Arizona, and deservedly so. I have never carried any other ID than my driver's license, and if I were required to show my BC I would be screwed, since it's in my safety deposit box.

Anyway, if the birthers won't even accept President Obama's Hawai'ian birth certificate, they certainly wouldn't accept mine!

If these idiots do manage to deport all illegal aliens, whom are they going to blame for all the crime? Do they really think all the crime is committed by illegal aliens?

What a horrendous burden this is putting on the already undermanned police!

My God, this is @!$%#ed up on SO many levels!

Didn't the NAZIs require everyone to carry "papers"?

I can't wait until the A.C.L.U. gets its hands on this....it soooo violates legal citizens of their civil rights. Even this conservative supreme court will throw it out so fast it makes one's head spin!

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

Un@!$%#ingbelievable!

No, you are wrong. After the Civil War the United States Government instituted the 14th Amendment. This was Naturalization of any citizen born within the United States.

However, a very nice try at attempting to change history.

The Civil War ended in 1865. The 13th amendment really only spoke to new detainments. While the 14th amendment was passed in 1868 which specifically dealt with the Dred Scott decision in 1867. There's a 3 year gap between the ending of the Civil War and the 14th Amendment. Not only that but you might want to check out a few civil rights court cases which dealt with the 14th Amendment like:

The Civil Rights Act of 1875

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

Brown vs. the Board of Education

and many many many more. They all dealt with the 14th Amendment decades and even a century after the Civil War. Enforcement of the 14th Amendment didn't just magically spread across the country after the Civil War it took a very very long time and many years and lives to enforce. The fact that you believe that the Civil War erased racism and magically transformed the country is a little troubling, especially seeing some of your "bravado" in action.

I don't think you're trying to change history, but you might want to do a little research before being so firm in what you believe. Thanks.

The Feds haven't done anything as they were expecting to pick up those votes at election time.

47% of the US do not pay taxes, that says a lot about our government all by itself.

Time to replace all of them in Washington including all the mole jobs.

Kudos's to the Governor, but this is only the beginning..

Congrats AZ, to bad it costs a ranchers life to get this done, go home illegals you did your damage to our country now LEAVE.

Suzi Laughlin

The lawsuits for false arrest and racial profiling are going to bankrupt Arizona, and deservedly so. I have never carried any other ID than my driver's license, and if I were required to show my BC I would be screwed, since it's in my safety deposit box.

Anyway, if the birthers won't even accept President Obama's Hawai'ian birth certificate, they certainly wouldn't accept mine!

If these idiots do manage to deport all illegal aliens, whom are they going to blame for all the crime? Do they really think all the crime is committed by illegal aliens?

What a horrendous burden this is putting on the already undermanned police!

My God, this is @!$%#ed up on SO many levels!

Didn't the NAZIs require everyone to carry "papers"?

I can't wait until the A.C.L.U. gets its hands on this....it soooo violates legal citizens of their civil rights. Even this conservative supreme court will throw it out so fast it makes one's head spin!

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

Un@!$%#ingbelievable!

Wow, so false arrests? Have you ever been without your correct id? If without it have you not been able provide the proper answers?

And now about birthers, Arizona took care of that. The President, who I am sure is a Citizen will now have to present his credentals next election. Remember the "birther" movement began when Hilary Clinton questioned his birth, not Republicans.

What a horrendous burden this is putting on the already undermanned police!

I live in Arizona the horrible burden is the Kidnappings/home invasions and murders committed by non-citizens.

My God, this is @!$%#ed up on SO many levels!

What levels? I am thinking on your levels? What is !@#$ed up is that I am retired at the age of 40 and I am villified for being successful after serving my country in 2 wars and earning my money honestly after being homeless twice and told I cannot get benefits.

Didn't the NAZIs require everyone to carry "papers"?

You are right, the NAZI party also rose to power by exploiting the classes of the haves and have nots. The last time I checked a driver license was not considered "papers". I live in Arizona and this bill only makes law enforcement enforce laws all ready on the books.

This is not carte blanche to question everyonen on their citizenship. It just means if someone gives false information and the officer has questions he must enforce the law.

I can't wait until the A.C.L.U. gets its hands on this....it soooo violates legal citizens of their civil rights. Even this conservative supreme court will throw it out so fast it makes one's head spin!

Me neither, I cannot wait for the "AMERICAN" civil liberties union fubarrs this just like ACORN.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

Whatever happened to the fact that innocent until proven guilty applies to US citizens and not the world?

Suzi Laughlin - The lawsuits for false arrest and racial profiling are going to bankrupt Arizona, and deservedly so. I have never carried any other ID than my driver's license, and if I were required to show my BC I would be screwed, since it's in my safety deposit box.

You really do not have any experience with Law Enforcement do you.

Anyway, if the birthers won't even accept President Obama's Hawai'ian birth certificate, they certainly wouldn't accept mine!

You want to make this into a Political issue instead of the difference between ILLEGAL and LEGAL. Ok, the birthers are pissed because everytime they want to see President Obama's Birth Certificate they are shown a letter of a Hawai'i bureaucrat saying that the Hawai'i bureaucrat have seen it and that it is official. And a computer printout is not valid either, since computers were not around back then.

If these idiots do manage to deport all illegal aliens, whom are they going to blame for all the crime? Do they really think all the crime is committed by illegal aliens?

Go look at the Southern California Statistics.

Didn't the NAZIs require everyone to carry "papers"?

And many Countries still require this including Mexico (National Identification Card).

I can't wait until the A.C.L.U. gets its hands on this....it soooo violates legal citizens of their civil rights. Even this conservative supreme court will throw it out so fast it makes one's head spin!

Nope. You really do not have any experience with Law Enforcement. The US Supreme Court also did a legal review of the 2006 Illegal Alien Act, that this is similar to, and found it Constitutional.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

That went away when President Obama signed the modified Patriot Acts that incorporated those things of the failed bills H.R.1955 and S.1959. making legal all those things declared as illegal under Bush. This resulted in all US Communications monitoring, censorship, etc.. With youtube and many other internet sites being threatened with prosecution, resulting in "blocked in your region", http://404, "not available in your region", etc.. This also remissioned US NORTHCOM (US Military) to be used against US Citizens under the revised Insurrection Act. This means that the thought not only the action is a crime: "Anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist".

ES: Do you get the remote feeling that you are overwhelmingly outnumbered here--and on a leftist msnbc website? People are totally fed up and if Obama doesn't shut his big, ugly mouth, we won't wait until 2012. We'll have him impeached!

Kc77

No, you are wrong. After the Civil War the United States Government instituted the 14th Amendment. This was Naturalization of any citizen born within the United States.

However, a very nice try at attempting to change history.

The Civil War ended in 1865. The 13th amendment really only spoke to new detainments. While the 14th amendment was passed in 1868 which specifically dealt with the Dred Scott decision in 1867. There's a 3 year gap between the ending of the Civil War and the 14th Amendment. Not only that but you might want to check out a few civil rights court cases which dealt with the 14th Amendment like:

The Civil Rights Act of 1875

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

Brown vs. the Board of Education

and many many many more. They all dealt with the 14th Amendment decades and even a century after the Civil War. Enforcement of the 14th Amendment didn't just magically spread across the country after the Civil War it took a very very long time and many years and lives to enforce. The fact that you believe that the Civil War erased racism and magically transformed the country is a little troubling, especially seeing some of your "bravado" in action.

I don't think you're trying to change history, but you might want to do a little research before being so firm in what you believe. Thanks.

Those cases you mentioned do not pertain to this law in any retrospect nor in anyway interpretation of the law. those cases spoke directly towards individual civil right violations as pertianed to the loss of the war.

They never addressesd the the conception of the entire the "entire" race.

This is equivalent of my pointing out a police brutality case and equating it to the entire Police Forces of America.

Also comparing any cases before the political correctness of the 1990's is asinine on too many levels.

Individual states having to do the President's job. How sad!! No wonder he's against it. Illegal is illegal. If someone wants to be an American citizen then become one - to harbor in a country illegally is the definition of a parasite/virus to the body.

Well I don't like it but Illegal is Illegal ...... As long as it's done right. There will always be paranoid people in this world that play the blame game, it's to bad that this is what America has now become the best at, blaming someone or some-other race for their short comings ..... This is something that as an American I'm not proud of ....

LMarcT,

I agree with you but only to a point. The difference between Bush and Obama is simple. Bush was Obama is. He has had 16 months to issue one simple order to INS and Border Patrol. ENFORCE THE EXISTING IMMAGRATION LAWS AND ARREST, DETAIN AND DEPORT THOSE WHO ARE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. He has FAILED in his duty to do this....PERIOD...

Don't bother telling me it can't be done because I have been a Law Enforcement Officer for 26.5 years before retiring in 2003. in 1977 when I first started my career the local police department I worked for were often called on to assist the Border Patrol in raiding houses where known illegals lived, arresting them and detaining them until the Border Patrol could arrange to transport them back to their homeland which in most cases was Mexico. The existing immigration laws worked then because the then POTUS Jimmy Carter, for as usless a POTUS as he was, did not stand in the way of the INS/Border Patrol as Obama is doing now.

You are also correct that existing laws do need some help to solve the illegal immigrant problem. As I mentioned in my earlier post, the existing law that grants a child born in the U.S. to non U.S. parents citizenship,should be changed to not allow these kids to become a U.S. citizen until their 18 birthday and then it should be their choice providing they have no serious and or continuous criminal history, especially, but not limited to, one involving gang violence, drug usage or sale or manufacturing of a illegal drug. This would stop the current problem of the illegal parents hiding behind their U.S. born kids to continue staying in this country illegally.

LMarcT, This is not about blaming Obama for something he has no control over, but rather placing the blame for his unwillingness to allow Homeland Security, INS and Border Patrol to do the job the were created to do, PROTECT US FROM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Even the term illegal "immigrant" is a misleading because they are criminals plain and simple and in most cases are a economic drain on this country. Obama has made it plain that instead of deporting them, he wants to give them amnesty, make them citizens and thus eligible for public assistance including but not limited to Obamacare. Do you really believe the CBO factor 12 plus million soon to be new citizens into the cost of Obamacare?

In case you haven't noticed, your opinion is in the minority as most here favor the state(s) doing what the federal government is failing to do and that is enforce illegal immigration laws even if it means creating new laws to get the job done.

Come...

Visit ARIZONA

...but only if you're white

Actually only 48 states to go. Here in Oklahoma we passed tough illegal immigrant legislation 2 years ago. I quess the rest of the country didnt hear about it because Obama wasnt around mouthing off. I dont think he wants to say much about Oklahoma anyway. As a radical, liberal, I think he is afraid of us.

"Immigration Bill Draws Fire"

Don't you love the leftist Obama Zombies of GE who run msnbc? Ninety percent of the comments on their own Newsvine support this Arizona bill, yet they still insist on spinning the story in favor of their supreme lord and master, Barack Hussein Obama. The truth will ultimately set us free.

Does this mean we can send BO back to Kenya when comes to AZ

Jan Brewer for El Presidente

Article 1, Section 8, #4:

"To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Article 1, Section 10: Powers prohibited of States (the listed powers that states do not have according to the Constitution):

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Bill of Rights, Amendment 4:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Bill of Rights, Amendment 5:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Bill of Rights, Amendment 14, Section 1:

"1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Bill of Rights, Amendment 9:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Bill of Rights, Amendment 10:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

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Individual states having to do the President's job. How sad!! No wonder he's against it. Illegal is illegal. If someone wants to be an American citizen then become one - to harbor in a country illegally is the definition of a parasite/virus to the body.

The real problem is we have forgotten that the Individual state's are supposed to the President's job.

We are a Republic, we are not a Democracy. The Individual State's have priority over the Federal Government, unless dictated by the Constitiution.

Remember the Federal Government/Supreme Coourt can only determine the "focus/purpose" of the Constitiution.

However, it takes a Constitutional Convention of State Leadership to determine the Repeal, Add and actual determination of the wording of the Constitution. As a country we have forgotten that the Federal Government is only responsible for National Defense ad Intrestate Commerce. even now we are seing Insterstate Commerce questioned.

The Federal Government does not have near the power we allow them to have and this bill proves it.

I salute the governor of Arizona for signing that bill! Washington or the Administration proved without a doubt they weren't going to do anything about letting illegals in, including the extremely dangerous cartels, one of which murdered a farmer in Arizona. I've seen news articles that show a proposed bill that was first introduced in 1986, 1986!!!!! that was supposed to deal with illegal immigration. Of course the bill lay collected dust for two decades because nobody gave a @!$%#. Thank you Gov. Brewer for finally acting on an important issue when noone else would.

I give Governor Brewer a standing ovation for doing something very rare in politics--for actually doing something instead of waiting on Washington for another 20 years.

david-475776 anddemitrix

I often go places without my ID. Like most people, I keep my driver's license, credit cards, work ID, SS card...ALL of my ID is in my wallet and I keep my wallet in my purse. If I go jogging, walking, ride in a car with a friend, I don't carry my purse or my wallet. I ONLY carry my wallet et al with me if I am driving a car or plan to spend money. I would say that is true of many, many people, particularly women, who carry purses.

It appears many of you haven't read this law. Even our Maricopa County attorney ( a Republican) begged the Governor to veto it It is a non-funded mandate that will more than likely bankrupt the state.

It is also very vague as to it's limitations. Many innocent, lawful citizens will be harassed. Most of our police officers (who are at bare minimum BTW thanks to this twit Governor) will have to try to enforce this idiocy instead of tending to crimes that they should be addressing.

The State Congressman, who introduced this bill, has deep ties with white supremacy groups including the Neo Nazi Party. Not surprising, then, that this law mimics the laws of Nazi Germany (not to mention Communist Russia).

I really wonder how many of you really wouldn't mind if it extended to include European "illegals". How would you really feel about not being able to go to the grocery store or the park with you children without being stopped and asked for your citizenship papers (including your children's).

It starts like this and then it spreads. Just remember that.

Those cases you mentioned do not pertain to this law in any retrospect nor in anyway interpretation of the law. those cases spoke directly towards individual civil right violations as pertianed to the loss of the war.

They never addressesd the the conception of the entire the "entire" race.

From wiki....

The Fourteenth Amendment provides a broad definition of citizenship, overruling the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which had excluded slaves and their descendants from possessing Constitutional rights.

Its Due Process Clause has been used to apply most of the Bill of Rights to the states. This clause has also been used to recognize substantive due process rights, such as parental and marriage rights, and procedural due process rights. Certain steps are required before depriving a person of their life, liberty, or property.

Here is the list....

• 1880 – Strauder v. West Virginia
• 1886 – Yick Wo v. Hopkins
• 1896 – Plessy v. Ferguson
• 1908 – Berea College v. Kentucky
• 1917 – Buchanan v. Warley
• 1942 – Skinner v. Oklahoma
• 1946 – Korematsu v. United States
• 1948 – Shelley v. Kraemer
• 1954 – Hernandez v. Texas
• 1954 – Brown v. Board of Education

I would add something here but it's best if you just read this and get back to me on your assertion that these cases "spoke directly towards individual civil right violations as pertained to the loss of the war." Brown v. Board of Education isn't about war.

Also comparing any cases before the political correctness of the 1990's is asinine on too many levels.

No it's asinine to compare "political correctness in the 1990's" to the impact of the 14th amendment of 1858.

Welcome to the National Socialist state of Arizona which the road sign will read as you enter that part of our country where US citizens will be stopped, harassed and detained by the under paid police who now think they are the USA government. When will this insanity stop? So here we are in 2010 repeating the tactics of the nascent national socialist party of the 1930's in Germany.... "Show me your papers" Pretty soon the brown shirts from the under educated threatened white males will try to "tea party" our country into their vision of America which is rich, white and not diverse. These people need to wake up and appreciate that the world has changed. If you are a true american you will fight those that try to limit and threaten the freedom of other US citizens. Shame on the governor of Arizona and shame on all those that want to practice hatred under the guise of protecting the USA. It is these little laws that plant the seeds of genocide. Study your history.........God save us from ourselves!!

I've Read everything from " Get ready to be stopped if you look like a eastern euro" To " I'm dark skin and now I feel like everybody is watching me" ? Grow up loser's. if you are offended by this law you clearly don't care about being a law abiding citizenof the USA. I know you want YOUR country back! But did you think it would happen without a fight? Chinga tu madrea, My spelling is off But you know what I am saying. Hurry up election time!

Kc77

Those cases you mentioned do not pertain to this law in any retrospect nor in anyway interpretation of the law. those cases spoke directly towards individual civil right violations as pertianed to the loss of the war.

They never addressesd the the conception of the entire the "entire" race.

From wiki....

The Fourteenth Amendment provides a broad definition of citizenship, overruling the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which had excluded slaves and their descendants from possessing Constitutional rights.

Its Due Process Clause has been used to apply most of the Bill of Rights to the states. This clause has also been used to recognize substantive due process rights, such as parental and marriage rights, and procedural due process rights. Certain steps are required before depriving a person of their life, liberty, or property.

Here is the list....

• 1880 – Strauder v. West Virginia
• 1886 – Yick Wo v. Hopkins
• 1896 – Plessy v. Ferguson
• 1908 – Berea College v. Kentucky
• 1917 – Buchanan v. Warley
• 1942 – Skinner v. Oklahoma
• 1946 – Korematsu v. United States
• 1948 – Shelley v. Kraemer
• 1954 – Hernandez v. Texas
• 1954 – Brown v. Board of Education

I would add something here but it's best if you just read this and get back to me on your assertion that these cases "spoke directly towards individual civil right violations as pertained to the loss of the war." Brown v. Board of Education isn't about war.

Also comparing any cases before the political correctness of the 1990's is asinine on too many levels.

No it's asinine to compare "political correctness in the 1990's" to the impact of the 14th amendment of 1858.

No what is asinine is your are pullong cases that have all ready been settled by law.

Not one of them pertain to this law unless it is the Act of 1964 which in now way addresses this new law. There is absolutely no langiage to address any race or single individual other than those without proper authorization to be in the State of Arizona.

Go look up State of Arizona vs US Government 1997, you will see the Government itself excuses itself from enforcing local enforcement of immigration. It even states that the States have the Right to detain and dispose of illegal entrants at their discretion.

You are attempting to make this a racists case when this is illegal tresspassers regardless of race.

Richard C-458756

I've Read everything from " Get ready to be stopped if you look like a eastern euro" To " I'm dark skin and now I feel like everybody is watching me" ? Grow up loser's. if you are offended by this law you clearly don't care about being a law abiding citizenof the USA.

yeah, your logic is, well, not so good.

I say we hold a vote.

Arizona for State Of The Decade?

Go Arizona!

demitrix

No what is asinine is your are pullong cases that have all ready been settled by law.

Not one of them pertain to this law unless it is the Act of 1964 which in now way addresses this new law. There is absolutely no langiage to address any race or single individual other than those without proper authorization to be in the State of Arizona.

Go look up State of Arizona vs US Government 1997, you will see the Government itself excuses itself from enforcing local enforcement of immigration. It even states that the States have the Right to detain and dispose of illegal entrants at their discretion.

You are attempting to make this a racists case when this is illegal tresspassers regardless of race.

Lawyers argue using precedent. Those cases are precedent. To find out whether one is illegal or not is going to use, primarily and regardless of what the politicians say, profiling of one sort or another - race, ethnicity, etc.

Yea baby the south shall rise again..I saw this movie an it doesn't end well for any nation state city or town.

Get your national Id cards if you want ..an oh yea forget about life liberty an the pursuit of happiness cause your a wage slave too the mulitnational banks that of course have branches in Mexico. How dare those slave think they are human beings.. Just because you see something on Tv doesn't make it real..

Blame an shame is your game, loosers its called the supreme court , all laws not left to the States.. guess you all forgot, customs is a fed as well as immigrations. One nation an only one election every four years. You lost, get over it as you told us..move on

Finally somebody with the nerve to stand up and say enough is enough. This might send message to the other states to follow and MAYBE our government will wake up and see the light. I am beside myself and hope Texas takes notice and does the same. YEA!

This mess where illegals can march and protest against a law of this country is so ridiculous. Go to Mexico and pull that business and see where you end up. Fly and American flag in mexico and try protesting anything and see where you end up.

No what is asinine is your are pullong cases that have all ready been settled by law.

Um, cases that have been settled by law are used as precedence for future disputes about laws just like the one in Arizona. But if you think I'm the ass go for it. I'll let you think that Brown v Board doesn't address an entire race of people. Please continue educate us all......

Not one of them pertain to this law unless it is the Act of 1964 which in now way addresses this new law. There is absolutely no langiage to address any race or single individual other than those without proper authorization to be in the State of Arizona.

Yeah that's what the people in the South said. Stick to your guns son! Be a maverick!

Go look up State of Arizona vs US Government 1997, you will see the Government itself excuses itself from enforcing local enforcement of immigration. It even states that the States have the Right to detain and dispose of illegal entrants at their discretion.

That would be correct. But enforcement of immigration is waaaay different than looking for shady brown people, which is exactly what this law does.

You are attempting to make this a racists case when this is illegal tresspassers regardless of race.

Yeah let me know if this law affects shady Scandinavians, Bulgarians, etc. I'm so sure the police will stop them too.

I think it might be easier to take the wall we are building on the Mexican border and surround Arizona with it so that the rest of America can be protected from the mindless idiots that want to practice racial profiling and infringe the freedom of fellow Americans.

Way to go arizona!

Lawyers argue using precedent. Those cases are precedent. To find out whether one is illegal or not is going to use, primarily and regardless of what the politicians say, profiling of one sort or another - race, ethnicity, etc

Do you mean like i argued...

Also comparing any cases before the political correctness of the 1990's is asinine on too many levels.

No it's asinine to compare "political correctness in the 1990's" to the impact of the 14th amendment of 1858.

What is your point? Not once is latino, mexican nor any race mentioned in our new bill.

Please specifically point out the wrong?

demitrix

Do you mean like i argued...

No, because you don't use precedent, you just keep repeating yourself. If you are naive enough to believe race is not involved here, or ethnicity, nationality, whatever, and that it boils down to legal or illegal, you're fooling yourself.

What was the prime drive behind the law? Illegal Immigrants. Which illegal immigrants? Primarly Mexican (Hispanic). So, who is going to be targeted by this law then? Yes, Hispanics. Are all Hispanics in Arizona illegal? Nope...and that's where things get sticky.

If they are only targeting people who are stopped for questionable activities, then this law is stupid because one would have to assume that the illegals, when discovered, were handled in the same way: removed from the country.

So that leads me to believe this law does a little something extra, like allowing cops to just start asking for IDs based upon...what?

not so otto I wonder how gung-ho you all will be when WHITE people are stopped and asked to produce documentation because they might be illegals from Eastern Europe.

I HAVE been stopped and asked for ID. I carry my birth certificate with me at all times, along with drivers license, insurance card, and can answer questions regarding my family history at any time. I have nothing to fear from the police stopping me. I can also verify that my fingerprints are also on file with FBI and SBI because of two jobs I had. No, I would not have a problem at all with being stopped. In fact, I would be happy to be stopped because I could prove with out a doubt that I was born here as 5 generations of my people have been. I am happy that someone is finally standing for getting rid of this scum no matter WHERE they came from.

Oh, My! here we go! Federal Government, you have the responsibility to control immigration into this Country and you have failed to act so don't blame others for doing it for you. Obama shut your mouth unless you are ready to act like a President and get something done. There are an estimated 1.5 million illegals coming across our boarders every year of which .5 million stay. The Spanish speaking population now makes up over 1/3rd of the population and iff the illegals were taken into account would be very close to half. Understand that it is not just Spanish Speakers from South of the Boarder. We get a great many across our Northern boarder also. Most of these folks keep a low profile and are generally preyed upon but some do cause crime. Some are here for even more sinister reasons and a terrorist could easily slip across any of our boarders and probably has. Arizona's approach is not the right one though. But the Federal Government by it's inaction is even worse. We, this Country, need to discuss a rational policy and implement it and enforce it. The one we have now does nothing but encourage illegals by requiring large sums of money and proficiency in a foreign language for most legal immigrants. I just brought my family here from Thailand. It cost me $21,000 to do it legally. I actually had a lawyer recommend that I get them to Mexico and smuggle them across the boarder. Then wait for the next amnesty. So much for our wonderful immigration policy. It is broken and those idiots in Washington don't have enough smarts to fix it. This was not caused byDemocrat or Republican but by both so quit blaming one party or the other and start demanding it be fixed.

Thank you Smith very well said.

What is your point? Not once is latino, mexican nor any race mentioned in our new bill.

It doesn't have to. If a case is brought to trial and it is shown that it singles out one specific race of people it's doomed. Quite a few laws in the South specifically said Black people. However, all of them used crafty language which pretty much said Black people. Instead of Negroes, a state law might say indentured servants, etc which pretty much targeted the same group of people.

This is a "mandate" If a person looks, dresses wears their hair or cloths in a fashion that might be ETHNICLY Mexican, the police are required to stop them and ask for proof of citizenship.

Sieg Heil! Governor Brewer. The sooner you are out of office the better.

This law does not violate any civil rights, what it does is allow and even force the Police in Arizona to uphold the law .

The laws that have been on the books for decades that have been conviently ignored.

This law does not violate any civil rights, what it does is allow and even force the Police in Arizona to uphold the law .

What you mean to say is that it doesn't violate YOUR civil rights. Trust me stopping only brown people is violating civil rights. You don't have to believe me. Give it about 6 months or so.

gov needs to run for president will have my vote

Great work Arizona and of course Sheriff Joe.

It's a shame you get criticism from your own president for doing your job and enforcing the LAW.

It's NOT profiling whatsoever. ANYBODY can be an illegal alien. There are just more hispanics that are here and illegal, therefore more are arrested.

please point out specifically in the 18 pages it says pull over brown people. I can show you where it says ENFORCE the LAWS of the ARIZONA.

However, I do not see one line sayng arrest brown people.

And that is another great thing about a Republic, people can move from Arizona to states withouth this law.

Imagine if we let the Federal Government implement this law.

Its about time some one stands up for America! Way to go Az. Now maybe the rest of this country will do the right thing and pass laws to potect all tax paying Americans.

If the hispanics truely believed in the law then they would back this bill. Illegals are criminals and should be dealt with accordingly. Do hispanics condone criminals?

Stop with the whining, if you don't like it then go back with the illegals and live in mexico. I'm tired of the law breakers and the houses full of 17 illegals trashing our neighborhoods and breaking the laws. You hispanics that support them, tell them to either try and live like americans or go home cause they are making it worse for you people that are mexican/americans or the ones' that came here legally.

Glenn,

Huh?

You know what they say -

"If you don't like it - get the hell out and go back!"

So GRINGO - GET OUT! Go back to where YOU came from! We were here first!

I am an american citizen, albeit a not very proud one now! Double standards by whites once they murder, steal land and legislate for rules to keep whites in power do not make me feel inferior like you think it should. your Xenophobia sucks! Although maybe if Mexicans had the same xenophobia when the white man came, the "brown" immigrant wouldn't be in this situation. Mexicans, Native Americans, African Americans, it's the same story, just a different group of color. Whites are the ORIGINAL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

Finally someone in Government that is acting on the national illegal imigrant problem. I say way to go Governor Jan Brewer!!!

I'm tired of my tax money going to educate, find jobs, and pay for medical expenses for people that are illegally here in the first place. I beleive that first they should know how to read and speak the language before they even apply for citizenship. Secondly, I do not have a problem with any nationality coming to America as long as they do it legally.......LEGALLY!!!

Nothing else has worked, so it should be interesting to see if this does help.

I live in Tucson, Az. And this is the best news I have seen in years. I am so happy this passed. Not only is this going to allow police officers to focus on important problems and apprehend dangerous and non-dangerous criminals. Yes, all illegal immigrants are criminals. That is why they are called illegal immigrants. They broke the law to get here. I could care less about their families, or their hardships. I really couldn't care. Get out. I don't care if you consider yourself a "law abiding citizen" because your not. If you were then you would have your documentation legally. I don't care how tough the process is. If you want to change your own countries (Notice I didn't only say Mexico) then you need to start with a revolution and overthrow your own government. That's how the United States came to be. We got tired of the tryanny and over-ran our government. Until you are willing to fight for your freedoms from oppression. You do not deserve your freedoms. My vote is the only legal path to citizenship and the citizenship of your families is to defend your new country by going to Iraq or Afghanistan and if you live you get your citizenship. As will your immediate family. I think these criminals need to be stopped, deported and removed with their families. I don't care if you have been here for 20 years you are STILL A CRIMINAL. If I stole a candy bar from a grocery store every day and they caught me 20 years later IT'S STILL STEALING!! You are stealing from me and other citizens that are legally here. I am not racist. I have lots of friends who are hispanic. And a few of them are also psyched about this bill. Do they think they will have a higher chance of being "harassed (thats a lie)" yes they do. But because they are law abiding citizens they don't have a problem with abiding by the law and producing the documentation to prove they are citizens. This is a civil duty. Just like paying taxes and taking a legal path to citizenship. I say deport all 12 million (I'm in line to donate my time to help with this task because I am SICK of it) and focus on the real problems in this country. (Our porous borders and these drug lords that are waging wars on our borders).... it is unacceptable that the United States and the Federal Government don't do anything about this problem. On top of it all.... the bills they passed to build the fence and re-enforce the border security dried up and was never completed. That was neglectful on the federal governments part and they don't even care!!!

I hope cops ask me every day for my documentation. And guess what? I'll give it to them. EVERY DAY if that is what it takes to remove the criminals from the streets of Tucson and Phoenix and every other little crime riddled town along the border and accross the state. I have no problem with it.

THANK YOU ARIZONA!!! I am now happy to consider myself a citizen of this state. I hope other states move to similar legislature. I hope common sense sweeps the nation. Although obviously Obama is in favor of promoting free passage to criminals and even making their criminal interests legal. But then again the Obama Administration is the worst leadership this country has EVER had. And it is sad to see such a large percentage of American citizens with similar views. What can you say? Common sense really ISN'T so common!!

This will probably be largely ineffective even if it is found to be constitutional. The most effective policy would be to go after the employers. After all, economics is the motivating factor of illegal immigration. So, why not go after employers? Is it because corporations are the largest campaign contributors? This is a win-win for the politicians and the corporations. The politicians win votes by passing ineffective but popular legislation that will be found to be unconstitutional, and they don’t alienate the corporations in the process.

The status quo is maintained.

please point out specifically in the 18 pages it says pull over brown people. I can show you where it says ENFORCE the LAWS of the ARIZONA.

However, I do not see one line sayng arrest brown people.

Like I said before it doesn't have to. If it only goes after Latinos it will be struck down as unconstitutional. If they don't produce evidence that the law is applied to all citizens no matter the color, no matter the time, no matter the place, or age it will be struck down. Even then if it is shown that the law was created for a specific race of people that could be enough to also have it overturned.

Why waste time and resources stopping suspicious people on the street to see if they are here illegally? Law enforcement knows the industries most illegal immigrants work in, so they should go after those industries. If illegal immigrants cannot find employment, they will go back home. We have already seen this happen because of the recession. The jobs they vacate will be forced to pay a higher wage and offer better working conditions to attract legal labor.

There are some of you here stating that you don't carry your I.D. with you all the time now, like when jogging, etc. I'd rethink THAT practice if I were you. Perhaps when you get stabbed or shot by an illegal alien, law enforcement will be able to identify your body sooner. Also, you state it as if it would be a BIG imposition if you needed to carry it on your person when jogging, etc. Tuck the damned license in your bra, or make sure you have on pants with a pocket. Now that isn't so hard, is it?

I'm white, and if this were primarily Caucasian appearing persons that were illegal aliens and I had to show an I.D., I wouldn't mind a bit! If you have nothing to hide, you'll hide nothing!

Grow up! We're not on a playground any more. This is the U.S.A. where we have been attacked by illegal aliens only 9 years ago. What part of being safe annoys you so much?

This law needs to be passed to safeguard our nation. We have had countless illegals committing senseless murders, rapes and drug related crimes. We pay taxes to keep border patrol for a good reason. We also pay taxes when they are sent to jail or need medical care. If I need medical care, I need to pay for it. Obama wants a welcome wagon for all to come in! Well, if one of his family members was gang raped by illegals of any nationality, I wonder what he would say?

Kc77

please point out specifically in the 18 pages it says pull over brown people. I can show you where it says ENFORCE the LAWS of the ARIZONA.

However, I do not see one line sayng arrest brown people.

Like I said before it doesn't have to. If it only goes after Latinos it will be struck down as unconstitutional. If they don't produce evidence that the law is applied to all citizens no matter the color, no matter the time, no matter the place, or age it will be struck down. Even then if it is shown that the law was created for a specific race of people that could be enough to also have it overturned.\

If they don't produce evidence that the law is applied to all citizens no matter the color,

Which part of they are not Citizens. illegals are just that illegals. They have 0 right to be in America.

Oh Illegal Drug Dealer, illegal child molester.

Which part of violating law are you okay with? You posted 4 pages of nonsense of trying to prove your point and it all winds up attempting to prove that illegal is nor illegal.

These people have 0 civil rights in America. This does not mean we can abuse or use as slave labor. This does mean the State of Arizona has the RIGHT to do whatever they please.

fossil,

That is pretty much what we did in Oklahoma 2 years ago. We passed legislation that requires proof of citizenship if you are arrested, or apply for a job. It also puts heavy fines on companies that hire illegals. I think there is also something about big fines if you are caught harboring, or transporting illegals. Seems to be working well.

WHAT FU**ING PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU BLEEDING HEART PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS NOT UNDERSTAND???

Governor Jan Brewer should be hailed as an American hero, but instead our socialist driven POTUS has the balls to call this "misguided" and dares claim it will lead to "irresponsibility by others"!!!!!!!!!!! What about the irresponsibility of the ILLEGAL ALIENS slapping us in the face as they ignore our laws.

MR PRESIDENT YOU AND YOUR SOCIALIST CRONIES CAN KISS MY LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZEN A$$!!!!!

To have the audacity to berate Arizona and the rest of the country that agrees with this legislation because it doesn't fit into your grand amnesty propaganda plans is near treasonous. Your obvious anger that the great state of Arizona is tired of the crime, murders, drugs, kidnappings and human trafficking that is overtaking its legal citizens rights and freedoms proves more than ever your disdain for Americanism. Insulting American citizens as being misguided and irresponsible is an insult to our Constitutional right to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility and provide for the common defence of law abiding citizens. But then again Obama's perception of the Constitution is to make it work for what he wants not what it means.

This whole issue of the TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal aliens defiance of our laws reminds me of the line from the movie "Taken",,,,

You come to this country, take advantage of the system and think because we are tolerant that we are weak and helpless. Your arrogance offends me.

As it should offend everyone of us. The blatant disregard these criminals have for our laws and their deliberate ignoring of our attempts to enforce the laws based on civil rights is an outrage.

And then to have some punk 13 year old make this statement,,,,

"It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."

THE PIGS??????????

This is the disrespect these people have for our country and it's authorities and they wonder why we would gladly deport everyone of them in a heartbeat. And Peter Spiro's socialist interpretation that America no longer able to maintain its distinctive identity. Of course we can't when we have socialists trying to create a hyphenated multicultural society in order to maintain their government control and voting base intact.

PROFILING? YOU BETCHYA! IF YOU DON'T HAVE PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP YOU'RE A CRIMINAL!!!

I nor any other LEGAL American citizen will ever resist a police officer, INS or ICE agent who asks us for proof of citizenship. this STUPID argument about having to carry more identification is absurd. We're not asking you to carry your ID on a ball and chain that you have to carry around all your life. If you are White, Latino, Asian, Black or Purple with polka-dots if you don't have proof of citizenship you are ILLEGAL until proven otherwise!!!!!

It's time for all LEGAL Americans to stand up to this corrupt administration and its obvious unAmerican intent to divide and conquer the last true "city on the hill" nation left.

lol also remember the previous Governor of Arizona was janet Neopalitano, Janet brewer was never elected ;) She replaced janet after she fubarred us.

however this bill was endorsed 70% for, 26% against and 3% not sure with a plus minus of 2% within the state. However, I forgot the MAJORITY no longer means anything after HealtCare.

Will the border patrol also stop the flow of contraband guns fo Mexico? I'd be very surprised.

Like the coward politicians of California, Obama and the Democratic Party have failed to enforce immigration laws. Having seen the crime, financial chaos, and erosion of sovereignty in California caused by politicians who catered to the Hispanic vote, Arizona has no choice but to protect its sovereignty and dignity. California is insolvent in part because of the over two million illegal immigrants feeding off the State trough. Despite the loud message from Arizona, the Federal government still don't get it. From the words of Obama, we now know that the Democratic Party ignores immigration law for political gains while favors the gradual erosion of the integrity of the USA. Come this November election, every voters should vote out the Democratic candidates in order the preserve the Union.

AMEN. this is the first thing that makes sense in 40 years. I say if your chickens are going missing from the hen house you don't go looking for a turtle. Someone had to take the first step and AZ. needs a huge applause here.

"Illegal is illegal," said Pearce. "We'll have less crime. We'll have lower taxes. We'll have safer neighborhoods. We'll have shorter lines in the emergency rooms. We'll have smaller classrooms."

Amen to that!!!

I totally agree congratulations Arizona I'm tired of the stuipid @!$%#ing Mexican coming over here and taking over. I've lived in Corpus Christi for 10 years and that town is just as worthless as you can get its about time someone stood up and kicked those wet backs out of here!!!!!!!!! Congratulations Arizona

We don't have an illegal immigration problem as much as we have an illegal EMPLOYER problem.

Eliminate demand, and the supply coming across the border will eventually dry up.

And god help any of you all cheering for this bill -- if the tables were turned, you would be protesting. Reform is necessary, just not like this.

Not too many years ago, the problem of the more and more was an environmental and ecological issue, a progressive issue, because the more and more of the mushrooming cloud of human beings was the most pronounced and profound ecological/environmental issue of the times. Can this nation and its dwindling natural resources really afford the more and more of indigent, illiterate, unconscious, breeders, pulling the quality of life into the less and less?

Most immigrants are really into breeding -- having children they can ill afford? What about this nation's disappearing ecosystems, and the environment? Has everyone forgotten, this alone, is a top environmental concern? Nothing is as vital to this nation as Zero Population Growth. Nothing. More and more demands on energy resources, food, infrastructure and all natural resources, which undermine the future and the very quality of life for legal Americans.

Zero Population Growth. Stop the human hoardes from devouring our ecosystems and quality of life.

and i personally think you need to shut the front door.

Which part of they are not Citizens. illegals are just that illegals. They have 0 right to be in America.

Oh Illegal Drug Dealer, illegal child molester.

Which part of violating law are you okay with? You posted 4 pages of nonsense of trying to prove your point and it all winds up attempting to prove that illegal is nor illegal.

These people have 0 civil rights in America. This does not mean we can abuse or use as slave labor. This does mean the State of Arizona has the RIGHT to do whatever they please.

Good grief. Would you think for a second please? How can you tell the difference between and illegal Latino versus a legitimate Latino American? You need to check for ID. Right? Well if the law isn't equally applied to all Arizona citizens guess what? It's unconstitutional. That's one way.

The second way is that if the law singles out a specific group of people unintentional or not it also can be struck down as unconstitutional. The words "brown people" or "Latinos" is irrelevant. The law doesn't need to list races specifically in order to be struck down. There's tons of examples of this.

Like I said before I'm for immigration reform, but this isn't the way to do it. The solution is so simple it's staggering. You apply a $10 million dollar fine to the corporations for hiring illegal immigrants and this whole problem would be fixed within one day. The reason why it isn't being dealt with in this way is that both Republicans and Democrats are protecting the businesses that's why. So instead of doing it the easy way your government is potentially going to step on the civil rights of Latino Americans when it doesn't need to be dealt with in that way.

I agree. What's so wrong about doing what's right? If the people are indeed ILLEGAL, then they don't belong here.

I wonder how gung-ho you all will be when WHITE people are stopped and asked to produce documentation because they might be illegals from Eastern Europe.

I'm white with a Scandinavian/French Canadian heritage, and Finland is right next to eastern Europe

I have traveled all over the world. I have to show a passport whenever I enter a foreign country, EVEN Canada. I see posts about no passport required to enter Mexico from the US and I wonder if that is true anymore.

People never used to have a passport to enter Canada from the US and the passport requirement started being enforced last year I believe. I know this for a fact as I travel to Canada frequently.

If I need to carry my passport, I will. I'll even advocate that my passport be wallet sized so I can carry it with me like a drivers license.

However, by my accent alone, I am certain to pass for American. I speak American English.

We don't have an illegal immigration problem as much as we have an illegal EMPLOYER problem.

I agree and many of the employers are private citizens, some of whom have been nominated for major government jobs and when this is discovered, they resign from consideration.

There are too many wealthy people who don't feel they have to live by the rules. I wonder if that includes Meg Whitman. THEY HIRE illegal aliens as babysitters, gardeners, chefs, handymen, etc., etc.

There is NO WAY that law enforcement can efficiently monitor all these PRIVATE EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS.

That is why it is in the good of the people of Arizona to pass this law. I want it for California too.

There is NO WAY that law enforcement can efficiently monitor all these PRIVATE EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS.

That is why it is in the good of the people of Arizona to pass this law. I want it for California too.

Really? So you think it's easier to go after people vs. companies? Which do you think is the bigger number?

Good grief. Would you think for a second please? How can you tell the difference between and illegal Latino versus a legitimate Latino American? You need to check for ID. Right? Well if the law isn't equally applied to all Arizona citizens guess what? It's unconstitutional. That's one way.

The second way is that if the law singles out a specific group of people unintentional or not it also can be struck down as unconstitutional. The words "brown people" or "Latinos" is irrelevant. The law doesn't need to list races specifically in order to be struck down. There's tons of examples of this.

Like I said before I'm for immigration reform, but this isn't the way to do it. The solution is so simple it's staggering. You apply a $10 million dollar fine to the corporations for hiring illegal immigrants and this whole problem would be fixed within one day. The reason why it isn't being dealt with in this way is that both Republicans and Democrats are protecting the businesses that's why. So instead of doing it the easy way your government is potentially going to step on the civil rights of Latino Americans when it doesn't need to be dealt with in that way.\

Good Grief. Do you think someone should not be questioned because they are latino?

Does latino exonerate you frome kidnapping/murder/molestattion?

please tell me what makes you special.?

Whites commit crimes an get profiled

Please tell me why whites, blacks, asians should follow the rules but latinos dont.

I am saddened that one of our states has come to this point. I would be willing to wager that most of the people supporting this measure also believe Obama is not really an American, oppose a Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday, and are living in a state of fear and scapegoating. I feel sorry for these folks. It is interesting that a good percentage of the comments I have seen regarding this law find it necessary to say, "I am not a racist, but........" Any reasonable and honest person knows that this law is specifically targeted at Mexicans. The effect of this law would be to have any "Undocumented-looking" person on the street stopped and forced to succumb to questioning along the lines of, "I need to see your papers." How many people out there carry their original Birth Certificate with them at all times? Even if they were to, there are some people out there who question the authenticity of our own President's Certificate of Live Birth. What about children on their way to school? They could be stopped and asked to produce their papers, then deported if they do not have them. I have raised six children, and sometimes getting them to deliver a notice from school or bring home a piece of homework is difficult enough. THIS TYPE OF LEGISLATION IS UNAMERICAN. It reminds me of the story of Felix Longoria, who was killed in World War II. He was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor because he was brave above and beyond the call of duty when he gave his life for this country, saving other GI's in the process. Yet his hometown in Texas refused to allow him to be buried in the local cemetary because they had a "No Mexican" policy. National outrage resulted, with Eleanor Roosevelt and even the great Walter Winchell denouncing such a shameful stance and exhorting people of good will to let their opposition to this disgraceful refusal be heard. Despite the uproar, he was refused the right to be buried in the local cemetary. But Dr. Hector Garcia rallied Hispanic GI's who formed the American GI Forum as a result. Longoria was eventually buried with full military honors in Arlington National Cemetary. When Cesar Chavez, who later led the United farmworkers Union, came back from serving his nation in the US Navy, he was refused service at a restaurant, while in full uniform, because he was Mexican. I remember watching television years ago and seeing Governor Wallace blocking African-American students from entering state college in Alabama. The same thing happened in Mississippi with Lester Maddox. Just because a Governor condones discriminatory laws do not make them just. Not that long ago a country forced people to "show their papers" upon request. Many complained this was singling people out or forcing them to provide documents over and over. They were given patches to wear on their clothing. See how understanding and non-racist that government was. This way "those people" did not have to repeatedly show their papers. Maybe Arizona's Governor can come up with a similar proposal to lessen the inconvenience on "good Mexicans" with their papers in order. I am half Native-American and half Hispanic American. The list of my family members who have served in the military is very lengthy (Bataan Death March, European and Pacific Theaters, Korea, Vietnam, First Gulf War, now in Afghanistan). A number of them bravely gave their lives, were wounded, or were POW's. No deferments and nearly all volunteers. I love this country with all my heart and would not hesitate to defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic. But tell me, you folks who keep saying you are the "real Americans." How would you answer a Native American if he were to ask you, "Who's the illegal alien Pilgrim? "

I am a legal immigrant and now a citizen. Having gone through legal channels and spending 10 years and several thousand dollars to earn my citizenship, I usually bristle when anyone suggests illegals should be given any amnesty. I am dismayed at the lack of political will to tackle this issue properly.

However - This bill in Arizona is not the answer. Behind this, i see a lot of thinly disguised racism masquerading as righteous indignation.

There is a real danger and concern about this law being used by Arizona law enforcement to harass people who look like they could be illegals. Which being a very subjective matter could mean almost anyone. To an officer with slight liberal leanings for example, a Mexican immigrant riding a bicycle in dirty jeans and faded t-shirt may appear to be suspicious - someone whose papers need to be checked whereas an officer suffering from full blown republicanitis may not want to spare anyone who is not lily white. Who is going to challenge them ? After all - now they don't need any reason other than just being suspicious. Not all immigrants carry their papers with them. The law does not require them. The fake European immigrant on page 1 saying he always carries his green card with him is lying through his teeth. Because if god forbid you lose your wallet and the green card with it, the legal and procedural hoops you will have to jump through to get it back scares the living day light out of all immigrants. Which is why most green cards stay locked in vaults in people's banks. Ditto for Passports.

Anybody who thinks this is not going to be abused need only look at #1.3 - Rhonda H's response to ES at #1.2 above.

Something about the tone and tenor of her response makes it hard for me to believe that her bile is reserved for only illegal immigrants from Mexico and suddenly confronted by a legal Mexican immigrant she would turn into an angel of american warmth, acceptance, large hearted-ness and welcome. More likely she just hates brown immigrants like many other people. Cops do not descend from the heavens. They imbibe and carry the same values, prejudices, likes and dislikes of the society they grow up in.

It is not unlikely that a society that breeds Rhonda Hs of this country has not bred several Arizonian cops of the same mindset.

This law will only strengthen their hand and the funny thing is - it might yet end up being successful at warding of illegal immigration - at least in and around Arizona - but at a tremendous cost to America's self professed values of equality, fairness and transparency.

You apply a $10 million dollar fine to the corporations for hiring illegal immigrants and this whole problem would be fixed within one day. The reason why it isn't being dealt with in this way is that both Republicans and Democrats are protecting the businesses that's why. So instead of doing it the easy way your government is potentially going to step on the civil rights of Latino Americans when it doesn't need to be dealt with in that way.\

How about fining the "evil" corporations we also keep out the illegals.

Do you realize that many of these businesses follow the rules and hire people only to find out some ILLEGAL lied?

Then they pay fines.

OMG people on drugs problem is that people provide drugs!

Child molestors only abuse Children because people have children!

How about instead of penalizing Businesses for employing Illegal people, we do something novel like, go after the people who that are described by the word ILLEGAL.

Which part is so hard to understanbd that if you do not have a green card, visa card or leagally pass through am US supported portal you are ILLEGAL and a criminal.

Yes - a State with some balls!!! Right on, that Lady deserves a medal. I can't get my head around the pompous illegals that are crying foul on this...how did the USA let this problem get so out of control??? Not doing the job they were hired to do obviously! Just cut all the social free goodies, and they would probably all leave on their own - now, why didn't they think of that????

@ Charles-1776499 > You sound racist against white people. Please.... the only discrimination you mentioned was against "mexicans" is that the only group that is discriminated against? I'm part indian as well. And I'm perfectly willing to show documentation so long as the illegals are removed from this country.

@ MrIndia > I carry my drivers license everywhere I go. Why can't you carry a green card everywhere you go?

@ Everyone > I went to Tombstone Az through a border checkpoint. No one would guess I have indian in me. I got "harassed" about being asked if I was an American Citizen. I'm not brown. And it doesn't matter if I am or not. Please. You are all just using excuses to justify your belief in illegal immigration. Just as bad as the criminals crossing over illegally. Perhaps you can setup some safe houses for them. Or maybe you already to harbor illegal aliens. Brown, white, tan, orange, green, purple who cares... if you are illegal you need to get out of the country. The irony it would be so strange that the majority of Illegals in this state probably are Hispanic, being so close to the border and all. And if we were close to Canada we could presume the majority of illegals would be Canadian. If that presumption is racist then I guess I'll move to China and be racist for presuming the majority of the population is Chinese!!! LOL!! WOW!!!

Oh and might I also mention if I see someone carrying around a bottle of alcohol in public is profiling if I think they are an alcoholic, and if I see someone walking around in gangster clothing with a marajuana leaf on their shirt it would be profiling to think he was a player or gangster or up to no good. And if I saw a guy riding around on a bicycle with dirty pants and a shirt it would be profiling to think he was homeless or an illegal citizen... please when I see someone with dirty clothes I presume they are down on their luck and are simply homeless. I live in Tucson and I don't make that presumption. You just presume all white people are racist. I say your pulling the racist card and I can throw it right back!

Thank you Governor Brewer for doing the RIGHT THING! I am willing to bet that the majority of the people protesting this legislation are illegal immigrants egged on and represented by ACLU (American Civil Leftists Union)! Not to mention the other bleeding heart activist groups.

FRED SMITH:

So food costs will go up because their is less fresh produce in the supermarkets, restaurant costs will go up and so will hotel charges.

Really clever, Fred. Is that your Final Answer?? Is that the best ya got?? I was Waiting for that one.

Not to worry, Fred - it will be offset by the SIXTY PLUS Billion Dollars a year it is now costing us to Educate, Medicate, Feed and House this band of illegal, job stealing, vote snatching band of invaders. (And I also would reference here, that worthless gang of treasonous enablers, the Infamous 535 under the capital dome, who have remained comatose on this issue for so long)

And I REALLY resent like HELL the inference that ".... they take the jobs that lazy Americans won't take..." That line is patently Absurd.

They take the jobs that AMERICANS CAN NO LONGER GET, because we make immigration laws and refuse to enforce them! I know Plenty of citizens right now who'd give anything to be able to work at any of these jobs that are supposedly 'beneath us' to put food on their family's table.

Nicely done, Governor.

I agree 100%! If they want to bring their crime or work undocumented they should be ready to face the consequences when they get busted. Although the laws are rarely enforced, this will help. What's up with that 13 yo kid calling them pigs?! Plain ignorance and disrespect. Maybe we will have more time to focus on our own punk as* kids and teach them to be good citizens without illegals taking those resources away! Or the parents will keep passing it through generations. All races are guilty of that though. Definitely not a racist, I was raised by a LEGAL immigrant from Mexico... in a prominently Mexican American town not too far from Arizona. And I am white.

"makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally"

I think my head just exploded upon reading that statement.

Isn't doing something that's illegal sort of, you know, a crime by definition?

@ChicanaMama

Seriously? Native Americans could be argued the original immigrants. Or maybe the dinosaurs before they went extinct. Or maybe the multicell organisms that may have inhabited Arizona before that. Your intelligence is really shining bright in your above statements. You are definitely racist. White man this, white man that. Please.

Don't know if you have checked out the people in politics but there are a lot of hispanic, white, black, indian and other powerful popular figures in politics. Did you notice our president? What does that matter? Is it a problem that they are not "All" "Brown"....

Keep your race card in your pocket until you can speak with intellect.

This law violates any Americans civil rights...racial profiling is illegal...there are better ways to

handle the current problem...other than stopping any citizen that looks like they may be of

Mexican decent.

Jan Brewer signed into law the right for law enforcement to racial profile...it is a sad day for

all Americans

@ E Escobar
WRONG! Where did this article say they were only going to stop people of "Mexican decent" I bet they will be stopping white people to. I know I got stopped recently at a check point and I'm not of "Mexican decent" so please.

Jan Brewer signed a law into place to take on the responsibilities the federal government would not take responsibility for. Eliminating gang wars, the exporting and importing of humans illegally in and out of the country. You act like "Mexicans" are the only illegal immigrant. You are wrong and I am certain they will not be the only ones questioned. Your common sense is only lacking in the fact a particular "race" might be more abundant in an area where that "race" is originally from. Like my previous post of going to china and seeing chinese people! Or going to Canada and seeing canadians or the surrounding nearby states. Don't be so arrogant!

Way to go!!! There's no two ways to look at it-if you're here illegally then you need to be repremanded for it, no matter what race you are! If any legal American citizen breaks the law, ie. speeding, murder, stealing,etc, etc, then they get in trouble for it! If the laws says someone is not a citizen, then you're here illegaly! You need to be sent back to your country!!! Now if Obama will just get his head out of his ASS and enforce this everywhere then maybe gas, taxes, etc. can go back down a little!!

Read the law. E Escobar is right!

One more step in America becoming a complete Police Union. So sad all of you that are for such a law do not see this. Every day our rights are being trampled on.

Harms American civil rights really???? How so I have to carry my drivers lic all the time. I have to wear seat belts. I can't drink and drive or else the cops canpull me over if they suspect I'm breaking the law. Then I get to suffer the punishment does that harm my civil rights too. Would that be considered profiling I guess so profiling for the stupid law breakers so whats wrong with immigration law breakers. That why the call the ILLEGAL ALIENS They are breaking the law!!!!!

Harms American civil rights. Thats so dam stupid I cant even believe it. We don't owe these illegals anything do it right or suffer the consequences. Oh by the way Arizona police you might want to circle the buses around the capitol looks like the mother lode.

@kmom
Read the new law. Your both wrong ;)

Here it is READ IT! Where does it say "Your going to be stopped if your Mexican"???
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/EO_201009.pdf

@imbored: from your posts I can tell you're not native american or else you wouldn't have called yourself INDIAN and then likened Natives of this country to dinosaurs who died out. You're just lying. If you have a position, fine. But don't lie about yourself to lend more credibility to your argument. You've accused a few people here of racism. I won't call you a racist, but your tone and words speaks volumes.

@ desidurden
Funny the internet, I can be whoever I want right? And I don't have to prove it to you? Why should I have to prove it to you? Does it matter if I am indian? Are you judging me?

Well, honestly since I'm not going to give you my social security number and all that you will never know. But I do have an indian card. I am part cherokee. I don't look it though. So as far as I am concerned I could care less what you think. I am a native Arizona'n with exception to not living in this state for 1 year. And as far as I am concerned I was born in this country. That makes me a native american in an indirect way. AND I have family that has lived in Arizona since the 1800's. I have a drivers license and documentation. At least that can be said over some people in this state. And IM HAPPY TO PRESENT IT TO ANY OFFICER WHO ASKS!

I'm sorry my credibility isn't good enough for you. And honestly, could care less. Stay on topic please.

Can't wait until the Native Americans pass a law reclaiming their land and tossing the pale faces out.

I wonder how long will it be before counterfeit i.d. cards hit the black market. And you think requiring id cards will stop the flood of illegals? I think not. How about requiring businesses to hire only citizens? And actually punish them if they do not?

That would require a revolt on the government. And with the number of Casino's going up and funds it might someday be possible. But I don't know why they would want to toss the pale faces out. We tossed the British out once. And then there is The Alamo! What can I say territories were claimed by war not race...

O_o Are you kidding?! Have you ever heard of the 4th amendment? If you live in AZ your rights just got trampled on. Note the first part of the constitutional law.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

This isn't for illegal immigrants protection, it's for your protection! Next thing we'll have border check points like N. Korea, way to go AZ for being brainless.

@ had-enough-470242
Sounds like a business venture for you. Why do that when you can just legitimately steal someones identity like illegal immigrants (of all races mind you wouldn't want to profile) already do! It is legitimate, there are lots to steal, and it is a lot easier than people think! I could be Bob one day and Steve the next, so many choices so little time.... thats not the point though. Kind of hard to counterfit fingerprints. And someday there will probably be RFID imprinted in people like cattle. I think Obama is pro RFID in his health bill if I remember correctly.

@ VegasRage-809786
Are you kidding me? Have you ever been to Az? Ever? Just curious? Like Southern Az? There are checkpoints already. All over the place. The irony of checking peoples identity being a violation of personal rights. Lets just let everyone through the checkpoints. Sounds like a plan. Vegas style.

Way to go Vegas. Go drop your mortgage on the blackjack table! Google "border checkpoints" and click "images" I'm sure you can view the checkpoints that already exist. And have existed for a reason for a long long time!

@imbored yup a lot of times, and I lived in CA for most of my life, plenty of Mexicans their, so what? Let INS enforce the laws on the books.

Have you ever read YOUR 4th amendment rights? It's not for protecting illegal immigrants, it's for protecting YOU and it just got whizzed all over by Jan Brewer. So don't get mad when someone comes around and detains you.

@imbored, it's topical if you lie to prop up your views; and somewhat sad also. I believe the only true legal inhabitants of this country are its natives (which Mexicans are cousins of) and so it matters. I, as an African American, you as a white man who fruitlessly grab at ligitamacy with boasts of having native blood and others should be more sympathetic to the plight of Mexicans as our ancestors invaded this land as the Mexicans do now to have a better life or were forced here for labor. And each prominant migrant-worker group has dealy with the hate and racism latinos face now. This law will not stand. I hope we get comprehensive, realistic immigration reform as this law will not help the problem but only inflame it. And I hope people are more honest on-line about what and who the truly are.

@ VegasRage-809786
I'm sorry; but when I cross a border into another country. I expect to go through check points. Now I see where your logic is coming from. CA with the rest of the pro illegal alien groups. I sent a few emails to those representatives already. I took it as a "civil duty". I also feel it a "civil duty" to enforce border security. You might think it is against our civil rights to be stopped at the border but I think it is common sense. I hope I get detained. They have nothing on me. You know why? My fingerprints are in their database. And I can produce my ID and my birth certificate. And when they take off the handcuffs I will thank the officers for doing their jobs to make sure I am a legal citizen of this country. You know why? Because that is my civil duty and debt to my country. To follow the law. But guess what, none of that is going to happen. Because you are being silly and actually think the government is out to get you. Maybe they are for all I know? Dumped your tax money in the slot machine and didn't make the deadline?

A state worthy of John McCain! Too bad they aren't deporting people for being stupid then governor brewer would be deported...then again she's already in the capital of stupidity.

@imbored, let me ask you: It'sannoying having someone question you legitimacy. Is it? Because I just questioned yours and it seemed to annoy you. Is it angering to have someone call you a lie and look at your words with suspicion and assume you are simply not who you say you are? How do you think Mexican Americans will feel in AZ when it's them. You claim "I would be happy to produce them if asked by police!" but you also confirm you don't LOOK native and i'm certain you're a white, older male. The problem with this is, it won't be you stop. Do you even get that? It won't be you, sir. You don't even fit the profile of a native, you would never pass as a Mexican. You're simply not dark enough. It won't be you and maybe that's why you're not concerned. We need a better way that doesn't hearken back to the 1960's.

@ desidurden
*Yawn... are you done yet? Freedom of speech is so annoying isn't it?

I as a white guy, who was the son of a cherokee woman who bred with a white guy who at some time down the line according to science came from a monkey who came from a chicken and then from a turkey, or no maybe it was a cat... then from a fish and then from a cellular blob thingy... bla bla bla...

Whatever man. Didn't I ask you to stay on topic? Your killing me. It's 2010. This isn't Mexico. It's the United States of America. Get over it. It was taken by war. And purchased with money. If I purchase a car it is mine. If I purchase a state it is mine. Get over it seriously. If someone wants a better life they get an education or form a large mob of people to overthrow a government and form their own country. Kinda like our forefathers did to form this country. If you don't like it go form your own country. If you have the money and power to do it then more power to you.

@imbored yes and the 4th amendment allows for border crossing check points between our countries, but this anywhere in AZ. Your constitutional rights are being violated. The next thing you'll discover is they may decide to search your home, or setup check points between other states. Look at history and see how the gestapo operated, or the USSR. You're opening Pandora's box to having a police state. Kiss liberty and freedom goodbye.

I'm a white German/Italian, but I've had Mexican's ask me for directions when I don't shave for a day. So if I live in AZ, go the store to get milk say on a Saturday morning and a cop sees my unshaven. I might very well get pulled over and asked for my papers. What if I forgot my drivers license? Now I can held? What if a cop doesn't like you and decides you might be an illegal alien? Do you see the danger here?

@ desidurden
I'm going to sleep now. Your paranoia has amused me for the evening. Thank you.

At the end of the day...this is not about illegal aliens but about the fact that Latino's generally vote for Democrats. No better way to insure success in 2012...huh repubs...maybe you can scare all latinos into staying home November in fear of not having what the cops consider legal id.

@ VegasRage-809786
Your paranoia has amused me as well. I could only presume that so long as you are not suffering froma delerium you could give the officer your name to look up on a database to determine your legal status. Or you could just carry your drivers license. Like I do. Every single day. Why would I forget it? That would be silly. If you get pulled over without your drivers license you might be profiled for that too... just a hunch... you shouldn't drive without one.

The government can search your home if they could produce the legitimate reason anyways. So what does it matter? I'll even get the fellas a beer. I have nothing to hide. Maybe play some XBOX with them.

The only people who fear laws are criminals. Are you a criminal? I'm starting to wonder with all this paranoia.

I truly enjoyed this evening. I'm really really going to sleep now. The conspiracy is getting too intense!!

@imbored. I simply have a position and was stating it. I hope you understand that I do not upset when speaking to someone I find intellectually and morally beneath me. And I will stick to whatever topic I find to my amusement. People who have no empathy fascinate me, is all. I find it odd. And more so I ACTUALLY have native blood in me, so YOU can leave if you want. This is more my country than it is yours. Times are changing. The old powers are moving and people of color will see an America that mirrors our values. If we as people, whites, blacks, natives, others do not learn to get along better, there will be no America to hold on to. I find your positions saddening. You have a right to believe them but soon your people will be the minority. Remember that when you make laws like this.

Good night sir. And try not to demonize thom whom you don't agree with, like saying i'm paranoid. It makes you appear more fair minded and less mean spirited.

@ Mia-327347
If your in fear of not having legal ID then get out of the country because you probably don't. And I have no pity or anything for you.

@imbored you need to read up on your history a bit, read up on Hitler and how that screw came to power. Read up on the Reichstag Fire and how power was seized under the guise of securing the borders.

@ desidurden
We already are the minority. And why do I care? The human race is the human race. I'm sure you are superior to me in every way. We should clone you so that I can get quadruple the amusement! Yes! This is your country! If you have legal documentation I welcome you to America! And if you fought in a war then you fought for your part of your freedom! I congratulate you! With all the mixing of races in a few thousand years you are right! "My people quite racist on your part might I add" will be the minority! I'm glad you took some form of biology or genetics. But I'm still confused why you bring the "race card" to the table all of a sudden. What does that matter?

Anyways not to cut it short but I really need to sleep. So I shall leave you to your omnipotent self proclaimed egotistical greatness that eradiates the room with intellectual superiority to everyone else who isn't the same race as yourself!

@ VegasRage-809786
You remind me of that song...
paranoia paranoia everybody's coming to get me....

Seriously you should get that checked out man.

@imbored. LOL. You do amuse me, old man. You have spunk! I never claimed I'm not a racist. I AM. LOL. I have racist thoughts just as you do: just as we all do. At least I'm honest aboutt it. It's human nature to be suspicious of what's different, and that's what makes this discussion racial. But I don't want to confuse you as I'm certain you're tired. Goodnight, sir. Nice talking to you, even if we don't agree. Oh, and I was not saying whites as a group weren't my equal: I was saying you weren't my equal. You are not, to my knowledge, a whole people. Night.

Oh I'm in my 20's. If that counts for anything. And I was raised to not be racist. I have black friends, mexican friends, white friends, and I hold them all in high regards. Perhaps your generation has scars from the way you were treated. But times have changed. The only difference is culture. And culture changes with every race. It is not always understood. But just because a person is a color doesn't mean he should be judged.

Welcome to a new generation. My generation. Out with the old in with the new.

@imbored paranoid, no I've been outside this country where freedoms are few. I'm old enough to remember the cold war and the Cuban missile crisis.

@imbored. It doesn't count because I don't believe a word you type. As this is the 5th time you were going to bed? Goodnight sir. Laying your convictions of nonracial biases down AFTER some of the posts you've left speaks volumes about who you are and what you truly believe. Good night, sir, whatever age you truly are you must be sleepy.

@VegasRage, he's either an old fool or a dumb child. Either way, he's beneath us and beyond help. It will have to be HIM that suffers underneath the boot of true oppression before he will realize this sort of thing should not be tolerated by thoughtful people. Until it affects HIM, or any of these people who laugh and giggle in delight of the plight of minorities and migrant workers struglling to make a life for themselves, until it's them, they will not understand the true evil of their tone and ideals. They just won't understand.

KayCee-1390629Restored

Strange thing is that most legal citizens of Hispanic/Mexican/Latino descent are REPUBLICANS!! Now that's funny, their own party is shutting them out!!

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Kaycee how do you figure that? IF they are LEGAL it wouldn't be any problem.

ROFL.

Every day I go to work and have to produce my ID to get into the Sears Tower. If I go into any other major building in the Loop I have to produce my ID. When I board an airplane I must show an ID. When I withdraw money form a bank I must show my ID.

What is the big FN deal?

A police officer has the right to request to see your ID at anyplace and anywhere. But you are correct. I want to see the illegal Eurotrash thrown out of the US as much as the Slicks form south of the boarder so lets not just go after the wetback..get them all the F out.

For the under educated people saying it is an "employer" issue and not an illegal issue.....One Mexican working here legally will brin their 40 relatives so the kids can take the free schooling, lunches, etc.

Yes..Joe...you said it right. This is a big Fn deal.

Way to go AZ. You are just repeating a law that is already in place in the fed gov and since they won't enforce the law..NOTHING in the constitution says you cannot. You cannot go against the law but you can enforce it.

Love seeing the wetbacks hiding in fear. This will also be agreat tool to break up the gang activities..show me your green card..no ID? We are now going to search you..oh 3 Kilo of coke? Nice.

Get the facts folks. Obama did NOT open the border. The last huge wave of illegal aliens started in 2001.

http://immigrationcounters.com/

I think it's a good idea for states to adopt legislation to do someting about people being here illegally, moreso if the government's not going to do anything. Like a lot of people have been saying, if you've got nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

There's a lot of talk about illegal immigrants having rights... but the rights they're talking about are supposed to only apply to US citizens. Perhaps morally, they have the right to not live in a country that oppresses them; coming to America removes that from their lives, gives them hope, and a chance to live rather than merely existing. So, if this is the case, come here the right way and do what millions of legal immigrants have done.

I also find it interesting that a lot of churches have taken up arms against what Arizona's governor has done - kinda violates that seperation of church and state thing, don't you think? Churches don't like the government getting into their business - but they won't hesitate to jump into something that, politically, they're not supposed to do.

I am without prejudice... but if you're here illegally, you gotta go; all these folks are doing is making it harder for the people who come here legally.

Some pretty weird stuff on this vine after midnight!

"Millions of Latinos around the country are shocked," Sanchez said.? This statement makes me wondr how many of these "millions" are illegals. And it also tells us why our elected have done nothing to protect this country from illegals. Votes....WAshington is eatr up with either the vote problem from latinos or in wall streets case...money from lobbyist....btoh give congress a problem...they want the votes no matter if there are thousands of illegals in this country .... and they want the money lobbyist hand out to washington even if it is a bribe.....

AMEN!!! Kudos to AZ

Great Job!!!

""It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."

PIGS!!!! Is this is how legal Mexican-American CITIZENS are raised to view the police????

No wonder there is so much crime in this nation. The permissiveness (or just plain ambivalence) of the parents of today's youth disgusts me. Where are the parents of this delinquent? The kid needs a good crack in the mouth, but wait, unfortunately we now have a society that allows minors to trample on the law and run rampant with no real repercussions. Respect is something that children should be raised to embrace in a civilized society.

I am proud to say that while not perfect, my children were brought up better.

Good, now that I am off that soapbox, let me get the immigration thing off of my chest.

We live in a country that has the most accessible avenue to citizenship in the world. All you have to do when you enter this country is register and actually work you way to citizenship. No wonder illegal immigration is such a widespread problem which drains the resources of not only border states, but also major metropolitan areas. Because of our current "politically correct attitude" (which by the way also seems to have crept into our society right under our noses), now all that is required is you jump (sneak) across the border have a child (aka "anchor baby"), and never have to worry about actually applying to become a citizen of this great nation. You can reap all the benefits of citizenship with the biggest advantage of not having to kick in (taxes), and just wait for the right tip of power to wave their magic wand and "poof" make you a citizen overnight. The federal government has had opportunity to try to remedy this problem for decades and now it has gotten to epidemic proportions. More states should start exercising their right to enact laws enabling them to control crime in their own backyard.

I know I am going to probably get blasted for this post, but frankly, I don't give a damn.

http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=208

. As a consequence, the proportion of undocumented among Mexican immigrants living in the country increased from approximately 47 percent to about 54 percent by 2002. This increase has occurred because a very large proportion of all new immigrants from Mexico are undocumented. Of all Mexicans who came to the United States since 1990, more than four of every five remained undocumented by 2002.

While the Mexican-born population in the United States has grown substantially since 1990, the undocumented population from Mexico has increased even faster. The 1990 Census included 4.3 million immigrants from Mexico. By 2000, this population more than doubled to 9.2 million with a further increase to 9.8 million in 2002. The undocumented population from Mexico increased from two million in 1990 to 4.8 million in 2000 and to 5.3 million in 2002. Thus, between 1990 and 2002, the undocumented population from Mexico increased by about 250,000 to 300,000 per year on average;

This is old, imagine what the real numbers are now!

http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=208

Mexican immigrants account for about one-fifth of the legal immigrants living in the United States. This large percentage is actually a legacy of the legalization programs of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), under which about two million formerly undocumented Mexicans acquired legal status. In terms of the annual inflow of legal immigrants, about one in seven are Mexican. This share is substantially larger than the legal flow from any other country

Who are the racists? Looks like the Mexicans think they're above our laws, even though they are the largest group of legal immigrants, they think just being from Mexico gives them more rights than anyone else! Anyone out there ever seen an Mexican flag, alongside ours on the battlefields millions of Americans died on fighting for human rights?

Finally a person with a spine!

Our elite politicians do not have to live under the circumstances that are happening in our border states....and now is traveling throughout other States too!

You notice, for years, our elite have never told foreign leaders to reform their own countries in order to help their own people!

Know this. The elites in Mexico don't even like those that are coming here, saying they are uneducated, criminals, etc....and they are happy they come here so they do not have to deal with them.

Immigration is fine....if it's legal and you wait your turn...as it stands now, we allow more immigration into our country, each year, than any other country!

Here it is simply put. If you dont like this law, you have two choices. Leave the country and go back to your homeland, or become a legal citizen.

It sounds easy to me!

This law will only backfire in the long-run, as do most laws that are created to remove civil liberties/civil rights. What will probably happen is that every blond-haired, blue-eyed criminal/terrorist/drug-dealer/pimp/thief, etc. will make Arizona their home. Why-? Because they will be off the radar. The state will have its' local resources focused on the endless administration of "getting those illegal immigrants," while leaving the rest of its' less-than-perfect citizens to run amuck.

Do we really think that the local police in AZ will not use this opportunity to abuse power? Also, are they equipped and trained to handle the types of very dangerous situations that this law will expose them to? We should be holding the federal government accountable for not doing their jobs in removing illegal immigrants, but we should not be taking matters into our own hands.

I think it's a sick irony that Mexico would speak out against any law or any type of immigration reform passed in our country - Has anyone ever witnessed how they police their Southern border? With machine guns.

This is not about Civil Rights it is about being a Legal Citizen period. Thank you Jan Brewer for having some backbone and common sense.

Biff, you are a Nazi and going to hell as sure as the governor and Mr. Pearce. Repent!

Only 49 more to go! GO GOV!!!! Please let NC follow suit!!

Fortunately this racist law will force congress to pass immigration reform and stop playing games with the issue for self serving reasons. People need to look at this legislation past just a mechanism to deport illegal immigrants and focus on what happens next as a result of this law.

"It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."

A 13 year old calls the police "the pigs" real good upbringing.......

It is disappointing the legitimate organizations are defending illegals. Do they realize what they are doing? They are taking an un-American stance. This is not a big deal at all, unless you are illegal. Every adult carries at least one form of I.D. Those who are legal aliens carry their documents. I don't have a problem showing I.D. to prove who I am. Honestly, if the Federal govt. had been enforcing the laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, Arizona would not need to pass bills like this to protect themselves. That's what it really comes down to...PROTECTING THEMSELVES! Americans have been preyed upon by illegals and the govt. continues to let it happen. It is time to stand up for America and Americans, not continue to let criminals have their way. Oh, and that goes for Employers who hire Illegals. You are just as wrong as them.

Bravo AZ - I'm glad you are standing up for yourselves!!!

Rhonda - At which point in your "sky daddy" religion does one stop worshiping a "god" and become one? I love when "christians" begin passing out the list for heaven and hell... You apparently are against sending illegal immigrant back to their country of origin but are okay with sending people to hell?

Biff, you are a Nazi and going to hell

Wow Rhonda don't hold back!...LOL

Step in the right direction. Now we can send the illegal immigrants back where they belong. The only reason why there here is because of the failure of Latin American governments. That is why they are trying to stop the bill.

Apparently illegal's don't care or to understand/respect other countries laws. Why do need comprehensive reform when all you have to do is enforce the laws that are already into play. Maybe if our federal government would of done their job right , we wouldn't have these problems in the first place. I am so tired of the liberal media playing the race card on this issue. Its not about racism its about law and order. I blame the federal government for the murder of that poor rancher that was killed. I hope the family gets justice. The E-verify needs to be enforce and start caring about our own people. Remember you crooked politicians CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME FIRST.!!!!!!!!

I like to say to all you illegal's if you are so proud and care about Mexico then start taking a stand and fight for your country instead of running away and draining our country,& abusing the system. Also if you want to be apart of this great nation then wait in line like everyone else and learn ENGLISH like our ancestors have done. I think that is fare.

I applaud Gov. Brewer and Arizona for having the balls to enforce the laws that Obama and the United States don't.

Ir's about time someone stood up and did what's right! Illegal is illegal. If you enter this country illegally, you should be deported, ASAP! If you want to live here, go through the proper channels and apply legally as did most of our relatives.

The immigration laws are not enforced because they are not enforceable. Never mind my suspicions on why this is such a pressing issue for so many. Some do have legitimate concerns, others are motivated by racism. (I was born at night, but not last night). As long as a large wealthy nation borders a large poor nation, the people from the poor nation will do what they can to get to the rich country.

Would SOMEONE please explain to me how/why people ADVOCATE illegal activity?

We have legal means to enter the US. I truly feel for those who are so destitute as to sneak into this country to earn 5 bucks an hour picking crops but there must be a limit! We either make guest passes available to seasonal workers or do as AZ is going to try to do - clear out law-breakers and start over on some sensible immigration plan.

US citizens are speaking loudly and clearly on this one - we are weary of the burden of illegal entry into this country!

It's great! People should look up Mexico's laws and see what they say about illegals coming to their country. Come here legally and there won't be a problem! Or just stay in Mexico and keep flying your Mexico flags south of the border. Thanks.

let me see if i got this right.

if you cross the north korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labor.

if you cross the iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.

if you cross the afghan border illegally, you get shot.

if you cross the saudi arabian border illegally you will be jailed.

if you cross the chinese border illegally you may never be heard from again.

if you cross the venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy and your fate will be sealed.

if you cross the cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political prison to rot.

if you cross the u.s. border illegally you get
* a job,
* a drivers license,
* social security card,
* welfare,
* food stamps,
* credit cards,
* subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house,
* free education,
* free health care,
* a lobbyist in washington
* billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your language
* the right to carry your country’s flag while you protest that you don’t get enough respect
* and, in many instances, you can vote.

i just wanted to make sure i had a firm grasp on the situation

please keep this going ....forward to all of your friends & family

it's time to wake up america !!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree 100%, it is about time someone acted in the interest of the American people. We have to have documentation and prove who and where we are when asked, nothing less should be expected from non-citizens.

I suppose this was to be expected. These people demonstrate against enforcing immigration laws as if these illegal’s have a right to sneak in to this country and remain. It’s been so long since anyone actually proposed enforcing the law that the prospect of any immigration enforcement it comes as somewhat of a shock to them.

There has been the usual rhetoric such as it will be ineffective (if they truly thought that they wouldn’t be raising such a fuss) or it violates peoples rights (illegal’s have no rights).

Let’s not forget chairman Obama. First he would not do anything to secure any borders and enforce immigration law but when the states are compelled to do what the feds will not, he gets all indignant. We all know Obama views these illegal’s as a future democratic voting block that will perpetuate his regime.

We can learn lessons from Canada about illegal immigration. They have the situation locked down very well. Your kids cannot go to school without proof they are in Canada legally. You cannot get health care without proof of your identity with a provencial health card. You cannot get a job without proof of your identity. As a US Citizen -- we have a lot to learn about how well things can be controlled in the US if there is a will, there is a way...Canada is proof, and it really works. I have experienced if first hand! Is Canada sinister about it's enforcement. No. They have a ton of legal immigrants. And they all pay taxes.

The Tax system is very high due to the "so called free - health care" Last I checked it was 40% of payroll taxes plus 13% federal and Provence sales tax in Ontario. Plus Property taxes!

It is about time that immigrants pay their dues particularly on health care costs. We in the USA will soon see the true cost of ObamaCare.

Has anyone actually read the law to see what it says about the circumstances where the police can stop a person?

I suspect that the police still have to have "probable cause to suspect a crime has been committed" before stopping someone. Then they are just supposed to verify the immigration status.

The Federal Government has conveniently refused to secure the borders and enforce the laws, so this is the result.

Civil Rights groups need to take a hard look at themselves and decide if they are going to fight perceived illegal activity which hasn't even occurred yet (profiling) or actual illegal activity (illegal aliens).

If illegal immigrants can not get jobs they would not come here.

Thank you Arizona!!! Now if California would just do the same.

follow the dems and do nothing

Sure all the Mexicans are protesting... Because they would love to take back the Country they lose to the United States with out fighting for it!!! They are illegal... That is all that counts... They have no rights in this Country!!! So why should they have the same rights as those that came here legally??? What makes them netter than anyone else???

Right Jan, and everyone else who supports this bill. I live in Florida (for now), and have to deal with every other kind of illegal from Mexican border jumpers to the newly imported Haitians - all of whom are living off my tax dollars in the weird and ditzy state of Floriduh. I'm all for charity, but not at the expense of my own family or myself. And isn't charity about choice? Shouldn't we be allowed to choose who we give our charitable dollars to? It's a shame that Haiti had the quake first. It seems all the charitable money donations went there without a thought to the dozen or so more quakes that have hit since to the more viable nations instead of some little island full of lazy people. When you give everything to people like that, the givers run out and the takers are still sitting around doing nothing as usual - enjoying their lazy lifestyle. And hey, I'm all for it - live your life - but again not at the expense of others. You can't make the poor rich by making the rich poor. Then everyone is poor - or is that the whole idea?

As for Mexico - has anyone noticed the richest person in the entire world lives there. So why doesn't he dig into his own deep pockets and get rid of all the drug cartels that are overcoming and killing off the people of his own country. Maybe his own people would feel safe enough to stay then. And as for the bill that they are fighting, ummm fellas and gals of Mexican origin, this is our country, not yours. Now if you want to come here and live legally the way my grands did back in their day - good. Come here become a citizen, pay taxes that will fund education, roads, etc. You know the list, the one you're living off. The people of America didn't become affluent (as some may think) by sitting around - we work - HARD.

I'm all for this bill and hope to see other states follow suit to the point that all those illegals and those who fight for them understand that we're not going to take their crap anymore. Oh, and please explain to me how you fight for rights of a country you're not even a citizen of - please do that.

I watched the Spanish station as Governor Brewer signed and the people outside. I thought about my grandfather who was bilingual but never taught his American children(one my father) English. He would take the family go on the"pisca" in the US but brought up his children in Mexico. I was the first if my family to go pass a grade school education. I have experienced racism, discrimation throughout my fifty years of life. History is a subject that I love and it never ceases to amaze me how it gets repeated. We as Americans on this land forget the natives that have "cultivated" not only the land but the building of America. It reminds me of how America treated Blacks during the civil war & the 60's, the treatment of the Japanese Germans during WWII and the American Indians from the onset. It reminds me of South Africa where one minority group governed a native major group. I remember throughout my education and wondering on my birth certificate that it showed that I, my father and my mother were white. Although I am of Mexican ancestry and have discovered that my race is indian and my culture is Mexican. I have learned that people's fear and hate can overcome them during a time of economic strife. I may add not by the powerless minorities but the greed of those in power who care nothing to what happens to the common American. I just continue to pray that peaceful resolution can continue because there are unlawful people throughout any culture and race but this is not the solution. My suggestion would be to bring all of those concerned to the table and include those communities that would be affected and start from there.

Way to go AZ! I have yet to see one person against this law make a sane argument. Some being as stupid as comparing this to Nazi Germany. Drive a car, you need a valid drivers license. Apply for a job, you need a valid SS#. The only people who profit from illegals are employers who don't want to pay a living wage. And can the stupidity about produce prices going through the roof.

Yup-good move Arizona!

Thanks Gov. finally someone understands that illegal is illegal. We have these laws and everyone can't seem to understand that. If we wanted open borders we would not have made laws that says you only come in thru the front door not climbing in thru windows etc. My family came in legally thru Ellis Island. These illegals remind of kids that think its ok to cut in line and not be punished. These illegals no matter what country they are from still need to follow our laws. If your are illegal go back to your country until you can come here legally and follow our laws. Why should you think we can trust you when you thumb your nose at our laws just getting into our country. Hope other states have the balls to actually follow the law.

Now let's see how many illegal Irish immigrants they pick up out of the million or so in this country. Or Pakistani/Indian illegals --- of the million and a half of them. They will target Latinos only.

This is nothing but political posturing. Most involved with the law were lawyers and know full well that the law is unconstitutional and unenforceable and will be thrown out on the first court challenge. Or maybe they're too stupid to read the Constitution. Or at least they were asleep the day the 14th Amendment was discussed, especially during the part that begins: "No State shall make or enforce any law ..."

After its collusion with the Tea Baggers, this is the second worst mistake the GOP has made. It is not a wise political decision to offend the second-largest ethnic voting bloc in the United States. I guess Karl Rove needs to be writing a playbook the "The Permanent Minority."

Joe Biff

All the other States should stand up and pass the same law and send all the illegals back home and send OBAMA with them.

Way to go Governor Jan Brewer from a New Yorker.

Now come here and do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All the candidates for Governor in California should take notice. My vote will go to the one that supports Arizona and this law. I don't care what party they represent. The people of California are as fed up with the illegal immigrants as anyone. Boxer, Pelosi, and their followers support illegal immigrants so they have someone to do their housework and watch their kids for a cheap wage. It's time we stop the abuse of our constitution.

Far better if the U.S. just annexes Mexico into the U.S.!

Ahhhhh, IF Sam Houston would've just kept going to Panama! At least then the border would have been a few hundred miles less to defend................

Under the 14th Amendment, people born here are citizens.

But the States can expell the parents if they are not legal. The child would then become a ward of the state. The parents can try to get their children back, but the children would be going to the parents country, not the other way round.

There is no constitutional protection for illegal parents. Anchor babies only work because we allow the parents to stay with the child.

Enforce the law, and send home all illegals.

Ok, I am a legal immigrant (from Korea, my parents legally immigrated to the U.S. when I was 2) turned U.S. Citizen. I just want to know how people think it's a good idea to basically target legal immigrants to find illegal immigrants. Doesn't anyone else see the nonsense in that theory? Listen, I pay taxes like the rest of you and I hate the fact that illegals take advantage of our system too. What I am saying is that this is a bill that clearly was not thought through and was a knee jerk reaction made by all white politicians who have no idea what it's like to be racially profiled. You watch the video of the Governor signing the bill? Who's behind her applauding? 20 middle aged white men. I'm just saying, if you want racism to be accepted, just come out and say it. Don't dance around it by creating bills that will make it legal. This is like when Far Right Republicans talk about "we want our country back". Which country is that exactly? The one that used to treat women and minorities like 2nd class citizens? AZ is the perfect example of Republicans who try to put their racist idealogy into policy. Like how 58% of Republicans don't think Obama was born in the U.S. Socially, are we really trying to take steps backwards as a country? Come on, I guarantee you there is a better way to find illegal immigrants that doesn't involve discriminating against the minorities who came to this country legally or are citizens.

RIGHT ON.......MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!! I'M FOR MAKING IT THE LAW IN ALL OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....we are not a suburb of Mexico!!

Madison from NY what is it about the president of the United States that you are afraid of?

For your information the president can't make laws but must work with the congress which too many are being payed by big business to not enforce the immigration laws because they can drive down wages and make more money.

My answer is to fine and then jail all who hire criminals who call themselves undocumented workers All countries control their borders and for all that doubt that I would suggest that you move to Mexico and raise an American flag over your house and see how long it takes for you to be arrested.

I agree. I am second generation Italian. My grandparents (all) immigrated to the USA. They studied our laws. They learned English. They worked hard. And, oh yes, became Citizens!!!! They flew the AMERICAN flag in our yard. To reiterate what was written already...you are either legal or illegal. Seems pretty simple to me.

I'm sorry but when is it a problem when a State matches Federal law. Wow, how easily do people forget that there is already a law that make coming into the US a federal crime. Oh I'm sorry American business man you just want cheap labor and that is why you have lobbist in DC to make sure this law is not enforced. America has gone out of its way to help other countries but has forgotten that they are legal American citizens that need work, shelter, health care and food. But the millions of illegal immigrants get more benefits from the States and the Federal governments than citizens do. Way to AZ it is about time someone takes a stand for the legal residents. Oh and before someone calls me a racist. I'm a minority and was born in this country. I have be detained at the Mexican border to verify my citizenship. Is this profiling maybe. A pain to make sure that you are a citizen yes but at least I know that law enforcement is doing their job. I have worked in law enforcement so I know what these men and women go through each day.

"Strange thing is that most legal citizens of Hispanic/Mexican/Latino descent are REPUBLICANS!! Now that's funny, their own party is shutting them out!"

Kaycee,If they're here LEGALLY,nobody is "shutting them out." The people that are here illegally need to go back home and return to the US using the same methods the legal immigrants have used for years.

seriously now, all Border States should have tough Immigration Laws..that would solve 90%+ of the problems we've had in the past..it's a shame when State Government has more Common Sense of problems, than the Big Ole Floppy Federal Government......

Finally a state that's done the right thing. There might be a lot of illegals that don't like it but there are hundreds of million Americans that applaud it. The federal goverment is powerless, especially now so the states have to do what the states have to do. Several years ago living in California the cost to the state just for medical care for illegals was over a billion dollars a year not to mention all the other services and costs.

Good job Gov and congratulations. FINALLY somebody stood up and did the right thing.

I say good job, it is about time someone did the job our wonderful government is not willing to do, it also has nothing to do with race. It has to do with securing our boarders and making our country safer, you would think that they (Government) would have shut down the boarder after Sept 11 2001, to prevent any more terrorist from getting into our country but it was never done, that alone has troubled me for the longest time.

All Arizona is doing is enforcing the laws of our country, it is illegal to be in this country if you are not a citizen, we do not have enough work for our own people and we need to send all people who are not in this country legally back to where they came from. It has to be done so that we can get this country back on it's feet. This will create jobs for everyone who is out of work as well as keep the money here at home, it will also prevent crime and drop the crime rate all across the country.

I live in California and have seen many people lose their friend and family members to the drunken drivers who have no license or insurance and are not a citizen, our jails are overcrowded with them as well as the many criminalswho come with them across the boarder. They are costing us Billions of dollars every year and have caused emergency rooms to close all over the country due to them not paying for services received.

I personally Know people who have immigrated here the legal way and they are pissed off about the whole immigration reform scam that the government is trying to do, they spent the time and money to come here the right way and they are not all from Mexico or south of the boarder, many are from the European countries and the middle east and where many of them come from you will be sent to prison for a very long time if you are not legally in their country many countries will also shoot you for crossing the boarder.

And one last thing, it is not a right to be here in this country if you are not a citizen, it is not a violation of civil rights to ask where you were born or what your status is or can I see your greencard, if you dont like the way we do things in this country then go back where you came from and do something to change it there.

Those who are legal Latino immigrants should be grateful! If the law is enforced it will weed out the drug dealers, convicts etc and protect them too. It's not a civil rights issue at all. We all need to show our ID at the airports, hospitals, banks etc. Who cares! I think most of us don't mind having to show it if it means we are doing so to protect our country and families. Civil rights in American are for American Citizens. Illegals have no rights.

@inbred,

FYI...I was born and raised right here in the USA & probably look like I belong here more than you ever will.

If there is one thing that binds this country together it's the illegal alien population - aka, Mexican border jumpers. I happen to love their country and would like to travel there several more times before my expiration date, but the continuous drug activity prevents me from doing that. The richest man in the world is from there and who knows why or how he's staying alive at this point with all the murderers freely roaming the streets of that country. What good is all his wealth if it doesn't help someone. Just how much money do you have to have anyway to feel good about yourself or that you are king of the world? Give it up and help your own people so they want to stay home. And as for the AZ bill - let's take bets on who's next. I love the post from Tired of Saving the World all the way in California. Coast to coast - get it Obama - coast to coast we are tired of illegals. Get on board or get out of office. Jeesh, and we impeached Clinton for having sex. Now we have the anti Christ in office, but that's ok. What a country.

For those of you that don't know jack about the law or the Constitution, you need to take a little time and educate yourselves and quit using laws or Supreme Court Cases that don't apply. Here are some that do.

In PLYLER v. DOE the Supreme Court Stated: "Although the State has no direct interest in controlling entry into this country, that inter­est being one reserved by the Constitution to the Federal Government, unchecked unlawful migration might impair the State's economy generally, or the State's ability to provide some important service. Despite the exclusive fed­eral control of this Nation's borders, we cannot conclude that the States are without power to deter the influx of persons entering the United States against federal law, and whose numbers might have a discernible impact on traditional state concerns".

In Manigault v. Springs the Supreme Court held that state and local police power is"an exercise of the sovereign right of the Government to protect the lives, health, morals, comfort and general welfare of the peo­ple."

In De Canas v. Bica the Supreme Court held that "the fact that aliens are the subject of a state statute does not render it a regulation of immigration. Even if such local regulation has some purely speculative and indirect impact on immigration, it does not thereby become a constitutionally proscribed regulation of immigration that Congress itself would be powerless to authorize or approve".

These are all relevant cases to Arizona's new law. It is a joke that Obama is even asking the Justice Department to look into the legalization of this law. All of you crying about this law need to pull your head out of your 4th point of contact or you might break your neck the next time you sit down. Read the law before you get on here and sound stupid. It doesn't say anything about stopping people on the street. Do you really think police officers have time to check everyone? If you do you are an idiot and have no clue what a day in the life of a police officer consists of.

Situation 1. If a person is driving and commits a traffic violation and is pulled over by the police, what are the things the officer asks for? Driver License, Registration, and Proof of Insurance. So the driver in question has no license. The cop asks for name and social and driver has no social or gives fake social. Police offficer suspects person is illegal and holds him or her until status can be ascertained. If they are legal they go free if not they are held and turned over to ICE. The law doesn't say anything about the state of Arizona deporting anyone.

Situation 2 A police officer notices a male driver as he approaches an area of known prostitution. The driver honks his horn or waves at a woman. The woman runs to the car and jumps in and the two drive off. The police officer suspects that an act of prostitution is taking place and pulls the car over. What is he going to ask the driver? License, Registration, and Proof of Insurance. The police officer will also ask the other person for their ID and run that info. If the person comes back as a known prostitute then the police officer can take it from there. Same thing with a truck pulling up to a street corner where a bunch of guys are hanging out. A truck pulls up and the driver holds up three fingers or one or how ever many and that many from the crowd jump into the truck. Wouldn't this be within the duties of a police officer to pull this truck over and ask for ID?

Situation 3. A bunch of kids are hanging on the corner in a known gang area where a crime was just committed. The police do a stop and frisk. They ask the kids for ID or ssn. If they have neither then the police might suspect that the kids are not legal and hold them until their status is verified.

Situation 4. Police set up sobriety checkpoints all over any given city and stop all drivers passing through that checkpoint. Again they are going to ask to see the license, registration, and insurance. If you don't have them and your ssn doesnt come up then they would probably have an inclination to suspect that you might not be a legal citizen and would then hold you until your status can be verified.

If a person has a valid driver's license or valid ssn then they have nothing to worry about. The only ones that have to worry about the law are the illegals or those that are driving them around and or employing them. No where in the law does the State of Arizona take over power from the Federal Government. The law makes it clear that law enforcement officers will hold suspected illegals and will no longer do the old catch and release routine.

One last thing to consider. Over two thousand people are killed nationwide by illegal immigrants that are DWI/DUI. One that comes to mind involved an illegal that had been caught three times driving DUI and was not deported. On his fourth DUI he killed two young ladies that were waiting for a traffic light to turn green. The father actually went before Congress and protested because the federal laws were not being adhered to. This law will allow family members such as him to sue a city or county or state if that entity knowingly released an illegal instead of holding them for deportation by the federal government.

For all the illegal immigrant amnesty pushing organizations that are shocked by this law. Too bad. For Rep Gutierrez of Illinois, we dont need you to come to Arizona and tell us how to run our state. In fact if I was the man I mentioned above that testified before Congress, I would have beat you like a Pinata. For the Catholic Church we now you need the millions of illegals to keep feeding your coffers to pay off all the law suits you are facing. To the Unions, The only reason you support the illegals is so you will have more Union members. You are all a joke and your true colors shine through. The voters of this country will not support you and will raise so much hell that the politicians in Washington will have no choice but to listen or be replaced.

One more thing - if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. The he11 with profiling - do it and get them out. Come back when you are legal and ready to pay taxes. Then let's see how many will understand just what real Americans are talking about. Let's see how free with the tax payer dollars you are when you become one legally.

Dang! Michael Lockwood - you go. What a post. And I'm there with you.

'We are human' says the sign illegals carry. But ***what kind** of human? Identity-theft cheats, liars and dirt bags of every stripe. What honest taxpaying Americans need to expel from the United States.

Illegals are organized crime, sanctioned by the rogue state of Mexico. Racketeering laws remain unenforced. CIA, FBI and BATF are lying down on their jobs and slapping honest taxpayers right in the face.

Good for Az. and them finally telling that fed.'s that their tired of doing nothing and enforcing the law. You can bet La Raza is on the phone to their man of the year Sen. Ried calling a river. I sincerely hope this strains that racist groups bank account fighting this. It's robbing them of future contribations from future border jumpers. What the illegals have been and continue to do is invade this country! They can march in our streets carrying their Mexican flag and demand to change the vary laws they ignore everyday. As a result of them only obeying the laws they want to obey is it's really hurting legal latino's. You would think they are fed up with this huge wave of illegals giving them a bad name. I myself will not go in to a local Mexican restuarant because I know he has hired illegals. That has gotten around town about them hiring illegals that there isn't anybody else that goes there as well (news travels fast in a small town).

It's time we start protecting what middle income jobs that are left...it's called long term thinking. This one law doesn't even come close to what their own home country would do to an illegal in their country but NOW their up in arms about it. Of course their home countries are mad about it. It's a big cash cow for them. What's American's biggest export to Mexico every year. OUR MONEY and thats not even counting the money we give them every year for this BIG FAKE WAR ON DRUGS.

I propose we use All of Mexico's laws regarding illegals. Do I get a second to that proposal?

"Only 49 more states to go."

You mean only 58 states to go.

The One said that he had visited 57 states but his staff said he didn't have time for Alaska and Hawaii. That means there are 59 states in total, if we are to believe Comrade Hadji Prophet BO.

P.S. I saw a clergy member of the United Methodist Church on TV about this. The Methodist Church needs to take a hard look at supporting Illegals. By supporting them, they are taking an anti-American stance. It is not the Churches place to encourage Illegals. Illegals need to be shown the most direct route out of America and then padlock the door behind them. And I don't want to hear "fuzzy" platitudes about helping those in need. Don't help Illegals, they are criminals. If you were helping, say a bank robber, that would be aiding and abetting. Is that what you want to be known for? Illegals are criminals, and should be treated as such.

Everyone should read Michael Lockwoods post #1.323 and understand the facts. Thank you Michael for stating them.

Funny...Arizona was on of the last states to be ratified into the union but now it is the first state in the U.R.S.A.

Mia...yeh, sure. Anyone that doesnt agree with you must be racist....right?? Mysteries of the liberal mind. All those people in Arizona should have been happy to provide the illegals with free benefits, right? Are you going to send an extra $10thou to Arizona for them to take care of the illegals? What, you are not going to do your share of supporting them? You are just going to call them that do finance it names? That is not honest, is it?

One of the fundamental problems with our immigration policy is our active recruitment of higher intellect from the third world. For instance if you were in some provinces in the Philippines would you feel safe having your appendix out or say having a blood transfusion? You shouldn't because we have a large majority of their doctors and nurses here. If we truly want immigrants to "stay home" or "fix the problems with their own country instead of coming here" then we have to stop importing all of their John Hancock's, Ben Franklin's and Thomas Jefferson's to come here. I would be willing to bet no one would look back and object that we accepted Einstein into our country...

Anyone want to have their child delivered in say... the Yucatan? Why wouldn't you expect they would want their child born here as well?

J.A.,

I live in good 'ol Calif. which is over-run with illegals. I am not suggesting that there isn't a problem...there damn well is. However, this new Arizona law smacks of the Nazi era...no, I am not an old timer but have taken many history classes and know that they required anyone who looked different to show their i.d. I would not be against this policy if everyone in the fair state of Arizona (including the governor) had to show some form of i.d. whether each time they went to the supermarket, work or basically each time they left their home.

Mia....there is not likely that there would be checkpoints where all hispanic looking people are checked and moved out immediately....That is a great exagerated jump that you took. There are plenty of ways and times to check their legal status. When they sign up for welfare, school, food stamps, medical assistance, electricity assistance, drivers license, etc. In some states now they are checked when they commit a serious crime and they are sent to Mexico immediately after serving their time. I dont think there will be a million of them moved out on trains a week after the law is in effect like the Nazi extreme that you are worried about. It is more likely they will move to another state (like your Calif) when it comes time for them to be checked. Most countries (including Mexico) have much more extreme laws concerning illegal aliens than we do. Suggesting that it is similar to naziism is not reasonable.

Peter~

Most Dr.s from the Philippines that are here in the US only qualify as RN's at the most here, not Dr.s. Most come here but are not able to stay, they are required to return to the Philippines. Mexican Dr.s very rarely come here to practice, most don't come close to qualifying. They don't have to, they set up shop in a border town and Americans go there and pay cash. *************Mexican Dr.s won't do the service unless they have the Peso's. You do that here and they think they have a right to scream about their human rights..... funny how they think it works, isn't it?**************

They've been having babies in the Yucatan for quite a long time. The Mayanshad fertility rooms for women just so they would have lots of children. Some of those jungle witch Dr.s are pretty good even to this day. In saying that, I really doubt that Mexican women feel that having their children in an American hospital is a status symbol. Most are sent home very shortly after they deliver, alot go to get a record of the birth.. They are more concerned about getting the newest and biggest stroller from Walmart. Now that's a status symbol!!

The problem I see is that in Mexico, if someone needs medical help they go to the hospital. Most don't have primary care physicians. They treat their hospitals as clinics. They continue this practice here in the US because they don't have the money to participate in a medical program or the insurance, so they bog down our hospitals............. They need to go back to their own country and start fixing their country and stop messing with my country. I'm sick of them!!!!!

J.A.,

Arizona has one of the largest latino population & was one of the last to join the union. Many of the latino's (read mexicans) living there have been there longer than most of the whites. Why should they be singled out? Here in Calif. we have plenty of Euro trash walking the streets illegally - I don't hear anyone complaining about that. I am not condoning illegal immigration but feel that what Arizona is doing is just wrong. Also, as far as I can see illegal immigration has been an issue (at least in Calif.) for decades why the sudden outrage now? Why didn't this occur under Bush? Truth be told...if many companies & individuals did not employ them...they would not be coming here in the millions. We as consumers have also helped it thrive by shopping in the Walmarts of the world that push for cheap/cheaper/cheapest labor possible. I do my part by not shopping in places like that and I try to buy from companies that pay decent wages to their employees even if it costs me more...can you say the same?

Dear Civil Rights groups:

Citizens are protected by certain constitutionally preserved rights - non-citizen are not. Go READ the Constitution; that distinction is readily verifiable.

The 14th Amendment, by which the federal government after the civil war imposed the federal constitution on the States, provides:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The states may not abridge the rights of CITIZENS to equal protection or due process - it says nothing about illegal aliens or those hold green cards or visitors to the US. It says CITIZENS.

Mia....Legal hispanics are legal and I dont think that they should have any fewer rights than I do. I have no problem with US citizens of any heritage and we should all be equal to pursue a quality based on our, and their, individual abilities. If they(legals) break the law, it should be no dif than if I were to break the law. Legality checks can be done automatically and I have no problem if anyone checks whether or not I am here legally. It would be best if all were checked including Afrikan, European, middle eastern, Russian, Canadien, Australian, Asian, etc. I am sure that there are illegals in those groups and others. It is not that Bush didnt solve the problem(and he didnt) but the fact that the last six presidents did not solve the problem. Why the eagerness to blame it all on Bush?? This started to be an obvious problem back in the 60's and if they had tackled the problem then it certainly would not have developed to such a huge situation. It is late to start, but there is no better time now than right now. Waiting will only make it worse. This isnt sudden outrage, it is just that it has become obvious that states can no longer pay the price of the illegals. It has also become obvious the the fed gov has little interest or inclination to solve the problem and has left it to the states to finally say enough is enough....I dont blame Arizona for finally addressing the issue. Obama is out of bounds by trying to put the blame on Arizona...Blaming business or shopping habits is silly and serves no purpose. Find a good long term sustained method of reversing the trend and everything will eventually balance out....There will be no overnight immediate solution that will work.

An unrelated but interesting fact of history concerns slavery and what is or isnt slavery. Many white Europeans(and others) came here and their passage was paid for by employers. Those employers held them in servitude for a specific number of yrs that was very much like slavery. Also, before California was part of the US there were many Mexican owned Rancheros there. The Mexican owners systematically rounded up native americans and made them slaves on those rancheros....Many of the Mexican owners were not even legal owners of the land they operated on....You see every thing is relative and history has never always been fair or pure for any group....

Blaming business or shopping habits is silly and serves no purpose.

So why are they coming? It is obvious to anyone but you that they are coming here for jobs... BTW, I am not blaming bush for the problem with illegals coming into this country...I am just saying that it is very funny that this issue wasn't so very important a couple of years ago when he was still in office. Also, the person who came up with this law is a white supremacist...but I guess you would still claim that it was not based on racism???!!!???? Makes about as much sense as the rest of your b.s.