Some Americans have joined the tea party movement as a way to find their voice and channel their disgust.
Enraged to engaged: Tea partiers explain why
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We don't care. Everyone knows you're crazy, hateful and ignorant. The media knows you, but the general public doesn't give a damn about you. You're already an afterthought.
Since the tea party crowd considers themselves for less government interference and more individual rights then I'm sure that every one of them are pro-gay marriage and support the legalization of weed.
They should promote this side of their platform more so that they don't look like a bunch of easily manipulated old people that have gotten sucked into political propaganda...
If anyone has a link that shows the tea-baggers support for gay-marriage and the legalization of weed they should post it....we'd all like to see it...
I would suggest the first post start taking after their name and the second post.....i do. Government should not even be in marriage....and legalize all drugs.
third post....if I have paid into something for 20 plus years why would I want to forget about it??? that would be ignorant.
get another talking point.
The 65 and over crowd has PAID into that medicare card their entire working lives. It wasn't handed to them on a silver platter.
BESMART
It is a fallacy to point to a person (or group of persons), and automatically reject their claims based on their personal qualities. You may not believe in their chosen beliefs, but that does not mean that you should never listen to what they have to say. Even a bigot like you may come up with a useful idea once in a while.
Why did they get rid of 'America the Beautiful' and instituted the Nazi pledge of allegiance in
1953 after the war was over, then Congress gave us the Star Spangled Banner, which ends,
"Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave"
What kind of FCUKED UP pledge rap rhymes 'blood' with 'slave' and 'grave', and purges any
mention of G-d?!?
Are we a Soviet yet, Dad?
--
The Real American Pledge, (for those who forgot)
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare of freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife.
Who more than self their country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain divine!
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for halcyon skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the enameled plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till souls wax fair as earth and air
And music-hearted sea!
O beautiful for pilgrims feet,
Whose stem impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till paths be wrought through
wilds of thought
By pilgrim foot and knee!
O beautiful for glory-tale
Of liberating strife
When once and twice,
for man's avail
Men lavished precious life!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till selfish gain no longer stain
The banner of the free!
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till nobler men keep once again
Thy multicolor jubilee!
I have mixed feelings about how "social conservatism" and "fiscal conservatism" have been mixed together. I tend to support legalized taxed weed, and have no problem with gay unions that should be in every way legally equivalent to "marriage". I think it is kind of mean to "kick the anthill" of religious culture by forcibly taking their ancient tradition of marriage away. But neither do I think the whole "Gay is a sin" judgmental thing very nice either.
But we live in a "Democracy" which is what the founding fathers of this country wanted very badly to *AVOID*, for reasons everyone should research for themselves. Hence all the references to a Republic.
Why? Democracies historically don't last very long, they tend to split the social fabric such that 51% alinate the other 49% and nobody is interested in "getting along".
So I support the USA heading back to a more limited government Republic type of system. Because when it comes right down to it, what made the country great was the people, not government policies.
Are you describing the Democratic Party?
I support gay marriage, legalization of pot and every other drug.
For 20 years you have been duped by the government. You let the government steal your money and squander it in a pyramid scheme. Now, you expect me to pay for your retirement. In a word....NO! Go after the people who robbed you and leave me and my money alone.
devil
I think you confuse me with someone else as I am all for ending those programs......however the government cannot steal money without repaying it. and it is stealing in my book for a pyramid scheme I agree.
well not stealing....its extortion....forced.
so since its not voluntary it should be repaid to those who paid into it.
Look how many say that they support gay marriage and legalization of weed.
Then why do we never hear about his part of the tea-party/GOP platform?
When you are represented by politicians that are willing to OPENLY admit that this is their platform then you will have something to be proud of.
But all I see is everyone towing the "holier than thou" party line.
O I C, these people think they know what they are talking about! They think Palin is smart and good material for hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! whatever it is they think she is good for. I only see she is good for one thing. MORE funny material for Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live. YEA! PALIN!
Have any of you tea baggers ever accepted school aid or pell grants, have you ever benefited from public programs? I know....keep your government hands off of MY medicare......your suggestions are duplicitous with your actions. THAT is why the tea baggers sound like a group of discontent, ignorant of facts whiners.
LU----------- Will youn shut up about weed and gay marriage? Geez if you're
gay and want to get married go ahead, if you want to toke while youre getting married go ahead.
The rest of us would like to talk about doing what we have to do to be able to have a viable country.
The Tea-baggers are so yesterday and have made themselves irrelevant with their racism and gay bashing. Not worth of any more words
Obviously, people posting on here have never been to a tea party. I went and was pleasantly surprised. There were both Democrat and Republican representatives there hoping to garnish votes from the Tea Parties. Both Repubs and Demos had good ideas. I suppose bloggers will say that the Democrats that spoke were not real Democrats.
I think that people on both sides want a better America. I think that they want less government but more responsible policies. If people fail to weigh both sides of an issue, we will be in for a rocky ride. All people have impute and can make a difference.
BTW, I have paid into my medicare for 50+ years and think that I have earned a benifit at this point of my life. Doesn't mean I agree with SS or Medicare just that if I had been able to put my monies where I wanted, I probably would be a lot better off now.
The bottom line is that the Tea Party is an aimless bunch following Forest Gump on a road to nowhere. Just pissed off and running. There are many stories such as yours, just as there are stories depicting pure hatred and disorganization...a lot more of those I might add. The Dems and Repubs trying to get votes is not evidence of anything but politicians trying to catch fish in a barrel...talking to a confused group who wouldn't recognize a solution to a problem even if it hit them squarely in the face. Saying what you TP-ers want to hear is easy for forked tongue politicians. They know 99% of you don't want solutions, just a pat on the head and added fuel to your fires.
These were made for you. Tea Party rally through the eyes of South Park:
They took our jobs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI
Giiit Out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ
who's muslim ass were you kissing? Geeez,
Roy - nicely said.
Give one.
Crazy lefties can't stand the fact that their "historic" president is a colossal failure. So they have to create boogeymen to compensate for his lack of achievement.
The "tea party" is not organized per se. Where they hold power is their ability to bring to the forefront a desire to hold govt accountable. A desire that has lain dormant the last decade or two. That scares the hell out incumbents because they have tremendous influence. Don't believe it? Then you are one of those who think Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread. November will be disappointing for a lot of "career politicians". Our country will be better off.
The tea partiers make some good points. However, do any minorities attend the rallies? I can't remember seeing any in photos.
There is something wrong in a country like ours blessed with a variety of people of different races, backgrounds, and "colors".......and all you seem to see at tea party rallies are white faces.
peanut
well the main two parties are too busy buying their votes by giving them entitlements which in effect just keeps them down. its racism and they dont even see it.
HMMMMMMM!!!!!! ANOTHER TEA PARTY ARTICLE BY THE LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES IN ONE WEEK!!!
Seems to me there's some fear a brewin' in the Lib's camp. More attempts at demonizing and misguiding the majority of Americans who agree with the Tea Party. Why is it a small percentage of people like the Liberal Progressives try so hard to force their ant-American, socialist agenda's on us? Even Grover Cleveland, the father of the Progressive movement stated,,,,
And as the Preamble so simply explains "establish Justice" NOT social justice. To "promote the general Welfare" NOT provide welfare. This is what the Tea Party is about. A Constitutionally limited government with fiscal responsibility driven by free market principles. I didn't even read the article but I'm sure it decried the Tea Party as old, ultra-conservative, angry, a Republican front, anti-government and of course the Liberal Progressives favorite,,,,racist!
Yes, the Tea Party is anti-government but not for the same reason may on the Left understand. We understand we need government but NOT more and more government that keeps failing miserably at everything it does. Just look at the economy, our domestic policies, our foreign policies, our social failing as a nation. Political correctness has created a mood of ambivalence as many Americans are afraid to voice their opinions because some small group somewhere may get "offended".
Our nation has become weak, delicate and irresponsible. We don't work out our differences anymore, we sue. We don't discuss our concerns, we argue. We don't know our neighbors, we fear them. We're not parents to our children, we're BFF's. We don't challenge our government, we submit to it. THIS is what the Tea Party is about. Remember, many of these people stepping out and voicing their concerns are the same people that in the 60's and 70's were protesting Vietnam and were antiestablisment. More accurately, antidisestablishmentarian! They know what it takes to make people become aware. These people were protesting, or supporting the protesters, before many of you were out of diapers. The difference between the Tea Party and the Liberal Progressives is that for the last 40-50 years (Yes, that's how long it's been since "Power to the People") the Tea Partiers grew up and realized our country is on the wrong path.
Love it or hate it, the Tea Party Movement is here and growing. Despite the propaganda the Liberal lamestream media wants you to believe, these Americans and many more by the day are being awakened to the corruption in our government. If you have a problem with a group of people wanting to restore our great countries Constitution and principles then we will all recommend you move to a country you feel more comfortable in.
BUT I RECOMMEND YOU HURRY AS MOST SOCIALIST COUNTRIES ARE FAILING DAILY!!!!!!!!!!
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With that said, regardless of your politic, I want to wish everyone a great and happy Father's Day!
It amuses me to see and hear people who benefit from these "entitlements" actually believe or attempt to pretend that they do not. Incentives for home buyers, car buyers, tax credits, etc. Well, it's pretty noble of all you conservatives to turn all of that down and leave all those benefits for minorites and democrats only. (sarc) I know that the Democrats earn the majority of minority votes because they are more for the common people instead of the privileged 1-5% as are the Republicans; and their body of work supports it. I'm stumped as to how you included the Republicans in that statement of yours, and I continue to be stumped as to how the vocal common conservatives of the lower 95% think the Republicans are working for them. The Tea Party works for nothing, but against everything. It's all quite amusing.
Then liquidate the trust fund and other government assets to get your money back. Just don't expect to take my money to pay for it.
I have attended several
Herman C
hate to break it to you ... that's not the pledge , that's a song , America the Beautiful ( lyrics/poem were written by Katharine Lee Bates and the music composed by church organist and choirmaster Samuel A. Ward ). lol.
and the original Pledge of Allegiance ? doesn't have the word God in it.
The Pledge of Alleigence DOES have God in it... "One Nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all... " I don't know which pledge you're saying... but...
Wiki quote
http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_pled1.htm
That page has a larger history about the "under god" and controversies around it.
Tea Partiers seem to be hateful, unhappy people who have found a way to vent their hate whether they really know anything about the issues or not. Sad, sad, lonely hateful people who hate themselves and have found a way to bond with each other.
We want people to be free to pursue what they want. how is that hateful?
The tea only comes in white.
I ask the same question that will not be answered .....stop the fearmongering and show proof that all of the tea partiers are KKK members....if not you are just a troll.
Well James if the teabaggers didnt contradict themselves constantly with their hatred anti-gay, anti-black, anti-hispanic anti-ANYTHING that they are manipulated into screaming, people would take them seriously. NOT!
These are the same pro-torture people who called anyone who questioned the Bush/Cheney wars UnAmerican.
Just a bunch of phoney republicans. Nothing more.
Excellent point Ivory!
Oh Tamara - you must be a product of a welfare home - and semi literate ... probably 3 kids by four different men - so I am sure that anything that might threaten your food stamps and AHCS eligibility would seem hateful ...
You mention issues - many of these people have had to work for a living ( you might try it - I doubt you'll like it) and have lived through several Presidents - good and bad - what they are really saying is they never seen anything like this dipsh** evvverrrr !! And for their children and grand children they want this congress and president to be over ...NOW!!
IGotIt1908 - because they were part of the other fifty percent who did pay their taxes and supported you and Tamara along the way too - in short they got it the oldfashioned way - THEY EARNED IT - and didn't take hand outs - I know that thought scares you but hey - ask your grandmother if she even talks to you .... :o))
andy...you obviously dont know Ron Pauls stance on anything or libertarians....they are more anti war than any democrat.......lol you are truly uninformed....or brainwashed. one of the two.
You've brought up every racial stereotype I can possibly think of. Congratulations - you are a Tea Bagger First Class.
This is the image you want of the tea part. Here is the reality. Citizens, like you and me that disagree with the policies and protocols of this administration and congress. They are voicing their opinion and mobilizing to find and support candidates for elected office that support their concept of limited government and fiscal responsibility and individual freedom.
People are rightfully angry when the future of their children and grandchildren is spent today by a run away government spending. And then have the audacity t6o LABEL everyone as pathetic, hateful, etc. Where do YOU get the MORAL authority to PASS judgement on those that disagree PEACEFULLY with your views?
FLYP
but why should we disagree?????? if everyone embraced freedom there would be less disagreements......no more trying to get your own self interests passed....democrats and republicans are famous for making whatever illegal and trying to get their own agenda passed that takes away the rights of americans.
Anyone who opposes the Democrats socialization of America is hateful.
ivory ''the tea comes only in white'' so what is your point???? Are you also upset with the NAACP?? Please it is acceptable to have political differences but ''racism'' is very very ugly!!!!!
Tigere,,,you are a picture perfect example of a Tea %$&^#%, you call anyone and everyone who questions the purpose of the Tea's, a Loafer,,,a welfare person,,,and the one about the kids is just what makes you look sick. People like you would give any organization a bad reputation. You give the impression you , The T's are the only people who work for a living and the only people who "Love" this country,,,,you are Not! You are a loud mouth thinks they know it all extreme right wing group who this country would be better off without.
Must be a slow news day when we have to go to the Teabagger well, eh MSNBC? The picture was from March for crying out loud, at an event where Sarah Palin and that @!$%#-stain Joe Not Really a Plumber spoke. Last time I checked she was a quitter republican and he was a nobody.
Keep selling the hype, GE.
James .... For every Tea Party person who feels screwed over, there is someone on the other side who feels just as screwed over as you. You feel screwed by goverment .... but have you ever considered there are many who have been screwed because goverment has let the rich and corporate interests screw them over ?
The rich have made out like bandits for years. But I guess you never take the time to look at it from that point of view. I support captialism and free enterprise, but I object when the capitalists get so big they use their power to "kill" the little guy.
The economic meltdown where Wall St. capitalists were gambling with trillions of dollars, and almost let our economic system collapse should be regulated and stopped. And they are back at it again, with all their bonuses and greed, while us average folks who have lost our jobs, through not fault of our own, are totally screwed, going bankrupt, and worse.
Are we to assume that you TBers were never angry(?) until Obama became president? The last 8 years of righty rule was making you happy? You like the wars and spills? Of course you love taking you weapons to public meetings calling folks names, spiting and other sorted acts of hate, but why did this just start in the last 2 years? We never saw so much of this when the you were the ruling power.
All I have seen from the TBers is hate and anger. If these "MAROONS" (thanks Curly) ever get into office, then the end is far closer than I had ever imagine.
2012 election. You know what the Mayans said...............(maybe they knew about the TBers)
Be nice if they were for real but they are memorex. You see the movement is astroturfing.
Astroturfing: Astroturfing denotes political, advertising, or public relations campaigns that are formally planned by an organization, but are disguised as spontaneous, popular "grassroots" behavior. The term refers to AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.
This is brought to you by those two Texans famous for manipulating politics in their state and elsewhere Dick Armey and Delay. They fostered the "movement" after FOX found they could not generate enough interest in it.
Made up with a group of people who think America is a winner take all game and if you make a lot of money you should be able to keep every penny of it and not pay taxes and want to shift the burden of taxation to the middle class combined with a bunch of losers who are still fighting the civil war and have to destroy Obama so they can say see we told you black men are inferior.
MSNBC seem to want to resurrect this failing "movement" but they had to go all the way back to March to get a picture of a crowd. I cannot be part of this as I am not a fool. I believe as a moderate conservative that they are taking conservatism twisting it to their liking and making it something that it is not.
How can you label a party that wants the President to fail a patriotic group.
I don't trust Aunt Hattie's judgement so much any more. She is getting a little of that CRS stuff going on and it is making her grouchy and too quick to judge.
She doesn't try to educate herself on the issues she just listens to Fox News personalities and goes along with their philosophies.
She does have to rely on our government since she is collecting social security and does receive medicare benefits, but she also trusts the FDA to be sure she is consuming safe foods and drugs and when she flies out to see me, that the FAA does back the safety of the airliner she travels on.
How can we expect so much protection for all of us and yet not expect a bureaucracy behind it. I think Aunt Hattie is naive and should let other voices into her network and allow facts and procedure to reign instead of blanket condemnations.
So because I happen to believe in some of the principles of limited government; enforced immigration policy; fiscal responsibility; ect, all the liberal bloggers consider me to be stupid, anti-american, racist, and all the other labels they can come up with. However, when liberals want to 'demonstrate' for what they believe, it's OK and promoted as a 'legal Amercian right' and what American's should do when they disagree with administration policy. We'll, go ahead to critize all the members of the tea party as being old, racist, bigots, ect! We'll see what happens this fall and in 2012. Finally, Let's rmember that the liberal-left have been the group in history to conduct 'violent demonstrations' anytime they disagree with government policy; not the tea party members.
bobr
You are the guy who decides that kind of thing ? No a supprise considering the other posts you have here.
It seees rather un-liberal of all the liberals to not have an open mind about any different. Kind of typically leftist to try deny other people the right to organize and state their purpose and have their say.
Most of the comments about the group being hateful are quite unreasonable and based on what? an assumption that there is room for only one point of view and that everything else is not relevant.
bobr-298005
"Tea Partiers seem to be hateful, unhappy people who have found a way to vent their hate whether they really know anything about the issues or not. Sad, sad, lonely hateful people who hate themselves and have found a way to bond with each other." This from your heroine -
"Tigere,,,you are a picture perfect example of a Tea %$&^#%, you call anyone and everyone who questions the purpose of the Tea's, a Loafer,,,a welfare person" This incisive retort from you ...you erudite devil you, yours and the one above it are are examples of .....??? you both live in the same "%$&^#%" subsidized housing project?
What was the point of this article? I learned nothing new, nothing old b/c the old told us nothing...just more of nothing.
I don't see where the teaparty is a racist movement, pretty sure the main agenda is anti-spending and anti-big government. I would like to see any evidence that they are racist bigots, last i've seen liberals have been "crashing" their events and yelling racial and gay comments to try and make them look bad.
I don't see a problem with any group of people peacefully getting together and voicing their concerns about government and taxes. I'm pretty sure that is what the 1st amendment is all about. I think its sad a pathetic that liberals feel they are the only ones entitled to free speech.
TAW57:
"Have any of you tea baggers ever accepted school aid or pell grants, have you ever benefited from public programs?"
No, no and no. Anymore questions?
Hey nogop4me, Have you ever been to a Tea Party rally? How the would you know if you have not attended? Oh that's right, you lap up all the liberal propoganda without so much as as a slight hesitation. I have not heard hate from those who have become part of the movement. Sounds like you were describing Democrats to me. I think you libs are just afraid they might actually upset the nice little set up your worthless and stupid president has. People did complain during the Bush years, you probably were in junior high at the time. Bush took more @!$%# from libs than Obama has yet seen from conservatives and he is by far a worse president. I personally can't wait for 2012. You boy is going down as a hitless wonder.
Don't do this Ouija board insult nonsense, Tigere. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Say what you want but people like Angius don't like
1. Obama
2. Hispanics and other non-white immigrants in this country.
3. She is self-centered - doesn't care about the fact that if the banks were not given tarp and autoindustry help US would have tanked
4. She thinks that if the rich and the corporations (many of whom don't pay taxes now) if given additional tax breaks will somehow create jobs. Doesn't believe that without stimulus thousands of teachers, policement, construction workers would have been laid off ete etc.
A.J.,
Well said and sorry to say what you said is totally true. Great post.
these two posts dont know a thing about the tea party if that is what they are talking about.l
Exactly, James. Maybe they should read up on what they're all about before they post.
They're all about being white and racist.
troll alert. and reported ....for calling me white and racist. not discussing a point and just trolling for an altercation.
It amazes me the people who don't know about the boston tea party, did any of you go to school. Were you not listening that week or are you just stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not racist, there are all kinds of blacks and hispanics involved. Quit your'e liberal bigoted lying. I have never seen so many liars as liberals who crawl out of the woodwork. Do all of you learn how to lie when you decide your'e a democrat.
"... if the banks were not given tarp and autoindustry help US would have tanked..."
The banks were TARPED to bail out the international capitalists because America has tanked.
It's GMC, not GM, you mook, Fannie & Freddie too. It was all about bailing out the f'ng financiers!
The fat cat bank-broker elites are pulling away in their lifeboats, draped in furs and jewels.
The last flares have been fired into the cold darkness, and the telegraph set has gone dead.
All that's left now is arguing over the place settings on the Titanic, while Obama croons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dbb4U8v3YQ
Ivory-757619
First let me say, Thank you President Obama. Do you know that soon, I as an illegal immigrant will now receive 100% Federal Government Subsidized Health Care Insurance for myself, my girlfriend, and two kids. With my girlfriends SSI check and child support, my little pot importing operation and housing subsidy, we are sitting pretty. I can still continue working as a day labor for under the table wages and tips, and my hoochy gal can keep her Dancing job down at the Wild Pussycat for under the table wages and tips. We were wondering how we were going to pay for hoochy gals abortion, but now even that is taken care of. Only in America, what a place to immigrate to. We couldn't have done it without you. I have no idea where you are going to come up with the cash to pay for this, but "Thank you soooooooo much".
P.S. I joined the Tea Party cause they need some of us POOOOOR FOLKS, and I needed some of those clean white sheets.
Where do you think jobs come from dimwit? The poor, the welfare receiver, the under educated?
What makes and economoy grow? What gives you prosperit and the opportunity for the "American" dream.
Poor you-so much easier to label those that believe in controlling borders hate filled anti hispanic. All my hispanic friends would really be surprised to learn that I hate them because I want the borders controlled. So do most of them by the way.
He aprendido espanol asi me puedo leer y hablar y escribir espanol con mis amigo desde todos el mundo. A mi me gusta el idioma, culturo y musica espanol. You are an idiot.
Ivory why are you not accepting of people based on their race or skin color?? What religions are acceptable to you??
Why all the name calling and racism towards the ''Tea party''?? Lack of tolerance towards differing views? Hate for white people? Discrimination against ''senior citizens''?? Hate boomers?? Hate your parents and grandparents?????
Seems to me that it's the Tea party that keeps bringing racism into this discussion,,,seems to me it was a white person who called a congressman names,,seems to me it was a white person who spit on another official. A good example above is Tigere,,who thinks everyone else except herself of course is on welfare, food stamps,,has multiple fathers for their kids,,are not educated etc. Maybe this is why the Tea Party has such a Bad reputation. It's what is seen on TV, read in Newspapers around the country that show the Tea Party's inners, and so far it is not good ! Learn to show some respect and finding a leader mite help also.
Some people are so dumb they only need two lines to show how hypocritical they are.
bobr ''a white person calling a congressman a name'' and ''a white person who spit on another person'' is just as unacceptable as any form of racism and does not make me any more likely to rail against all elderly whites as being beat up in fifth grade by a chinese boy to hate chinese!!! So really why attack the ''tea party'' for being white?? or the NAACP for being primarily african american??? Shows a lack of intelligence and education!!!
The tea party movement is doomed because there are so many phony people in the head lines. People that want to fix things with their mouths. You don't see anything but the mouth moving.
We have allowed our right to be legislated away trying to be the nice guy. Wanting to be seen as politically correct.
As the non whites are bread and fed on the backs of the working white nothing is going to change. The number of people paying taxes is being overwhelmed by the people drawing tax benefits. When taxes becomes revenue and refereed as revenue not taxes the tax payer is in trouble.
"A democracy can only last until the public find out it can vote itself money from the treasure." There in lies the problem. The Democrats are the best at it. That how they buy all the welfare votes. But the Republicans don't do anything about it they just give it lip service. For eight years they were in complete control. Did any give-a-way programs go away. Hell no! They just added the corporate community to the welfare list.
The tax receivers out number the tax payers. To end this there should be a flat tax, Every single person who draws money from any source pays 10 per cent of there income for the operation of the government. Welfare recipients included. Let there be no tax free income period. The rich the poor pay the same percentage. Why this will never happen? Because there are billions made each year by people who do nothing but work the tax system for their own benefit. They contribute nothing to society. Absolutely nothing. With out the tax system they would be with out a job.
I give the US twenty more years and its gone. The country we once knew will be gone at its present rate of self destruction. Way to stop it is vote the entire incumbent out. The good with the bad. Clean house. That will never happen for both parties have made it nearly imposable to break their hold on the electoral process.
Bobr - you got it backwards. The Liberals, progressives, and news media (79% Democrats per Gallup july 2008) are the ones who are assigned and are now actively cultivating such a term to the tea party. They are pushing an opinion, not a fact.
Gallup Poll march 2010
Tea Party diversity
White 79% - national make-up 75%
Non-white (African Americans) 6% - National make-up 11% (African Americans vote 75 - 90% for democrats) This lower number doesn't reflect racism, it reflects political affiliation. I feel bad for African Americans that they allow them to be enslaved by the democratic party for token positions and honors.
All other non-white 15% - National make-up 15%
Bob - get the facts - instead of living off the steady diet of hate filled retoric that is being fed to you.
These Tea Party folk are just plain alienated reactionaries. Those who are proud of their European ancestary should look at how the Europeans have evolved.
The Debt, that started way back in the Reagan Era as did deregulation of all safeguards to the economy. Any way, that's what my Lawyer buddies tell me, me, I'm just a retired frog, having done my bit for my country, I'd like to think we are becoming more humane and concerned, not polarized.
I agree, pity is that unlike our European ancestors, we have become more reactionary and meaner.
tea party = racism and if you object to what they believe in, you are a welfare parent with 3 children from 4 different fathers.
AJ-344016 said: "Say what you want but people like Angius don't like 1. Obama 2. Hispanics and other non-white immigrants in this country."
You obviously didn't pay attention to what the article said, these groups don't like the policies of Obama (Obama is a charming person) and they don't like illegal aliens invading the country (this has nothing to do with race).
You are obviously reading into the article what you want to hear, not what is actually happening.
Ask yourself, (and I include here all you filthy name callers) Is it possible that you are a bigot because you can't tolerate a difference of opinion without making name calling hate-filled statements?
You can call a baseball a chicken but the baseball still can't crow. The underlying principles are less gooberinment and fiscal responsibility (no deficit spending) for whats left. Generally (in my opinion), people opposed to those views are on the gooberinment dole in some form or fashion.
People who are in this movement don't like facts. Many in this party have paid lower taxes and have benefited from the government involvement. The bottom line is that they are more fringe and wacky than the middle.
Enraged? Yes.
Do they always no what they are enraged about? No. Are they being used by weaselly Republican propaganda strategists? Yes. The whole trick is to get an enraged mob to show up with their misspelled picket signs and posters of Obama as the Joker to protest anything and everything contrary to the best interest of the Republican billionaire donors. That is why they have protested against health care reform, against Wall Street reform, and now against holding BP fully accountable. And who is going to get suckered into paying huge health care insurance premiums for poor quality services while the insurance executives are bringing in obscene salaries and bonuses? Who is going to continue to be victimized by Wall Street white collar criminals if Eall Street has its way? Who is going to have to pay the tab for everything BP does not cover?
And here you have alleged conservatives criticizing Obama about why he doesn't take charge, as if the answer to the problems is the government nanny state. And when the government has to pay for things such as all of the alleged good samaritan help offered by other nations, they will call it big government spending raising the national debt.
They will insist that Republicans could address the oil spill better, and here you have Joe Barton apologizing to the oil industry for holding them accountable for a change. Who would they want to run for president in 2012? Spill, Baby, Spill Sarah Palin.
And quoting Bill Warner "I pulled myself up by my bootstraps" - bought his home under the GI bill ( a government plan to help WW11 veterans). What did Bush do for the veterans he sent to war - cut every program to help them. Talks about more regulation, where was it to curb BP. - more corruption, "thanks Mr President" Who allowed more corruption than Bush and his capitalist cronies. Obama has been a disappointment for sure but don't blame the state of the union on him.
Maxie,
BO still needs to drive the bus and quit whining about the burger wrapper and cigarette butts left by the previous driver.
This picture is typical of a certain population who fall prey to exploitation by certain organizations through the use of fear, hate, emotions, religion, and other uses of illogical argument for the gain of the organizations. These same certain populations would serve themselves and their communities better by directing their energy and resources to their local communities. This certain population is merely giving some degree of legitimacy to otherwise worthless radical organizations to the detriment of all.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-18/new-bill-would-let-obama-police-internet-for-national-security-reasons/
Some of this stuff is created by Obama supporters just to stir up anger in people.
I truly wonder if a majority of the "Drill Baby Drill" Tea Party crowd now feel betrayed by the "Opec driven Oil Barron Mega-Corporations" that they supported? Or do these people still want less regulation and more offshore drilling. The Tea Party's contributions include lots of cash coming from oil companies and oil support companies like Haliburton.
I'd personally call it "Blood Money" now..!
So Tea Party People? Do you want more unregulated monopolies in your life? The NeoCons do..! And right now the NeoCons (emphasis on Con') are directing the Tea Party Movement with big GOP bucks.
I support small businesses and not megacorps.. I don't give any weight to giving a corporation the same rights as a citizen, especially "FOREIGN HEADQUARTERED" corporations and CEO's. I think it's time we put the "American Citizen" first instead of corporate sponsored "Lobbyist Groups" and then called these powermongers that usurp our individual rights - well actually it's past time, - we need to take them to task for their damage to this nation, the economy, and the environment in the name of profits and greed.
Maw-??? Proof is required here as this is a forum for debate...
teabaggers require none as facts & reality have no place in their "discussion". Teabaggers are in my opinion not engaged; if they were they would be so wrong so often.
Rem,
The computer you used to post your comment was likely produced by a major corporation. Do any of your friends or family work for a major corporation? Own any stock? Unless you ride a horse and live in a cave you are part of the corporate family; Like it or not.
The Tea Party is very useful to the corporate media, even the more "liberal" end of it like MSNBC, because it creates the illusion that the american public is more right wing than is really true.
The Tea Party was started when a Wall Street creep named Rick Santelli participated in an event staged by a PR firm, in front of a bunch of other creeps (traders) on TV and denounced and insulted average working americans who couldn't pay their mortgages anymore. The reason the reason many americans defaulted on their mortgages was/is mainly because, for the last 30 years, Rick Santelli, Jim Cramer and the other white collar crooks on Wall Street bid up the price of stock of companies that, outsourced to slave wage countries overseas, downsized and cut benefits and wages for their employees, the people trying to pay a mortgage and raise a family.
So the wealth that used to flow to many americans in the form of wages and benefits now went to "people" like Santelli and Cramer.
Some Americans, being suckers for marketing (as many always have) and ignorant of history and economic reality fell for it and have gone along with the "Tea Party" scam.
As I said the media is glad to pump their organization up while they ignore or down play more genuinely popular opinions of the public like Single Payer National healthcare.
Single Payer National Healthcare has won solid majorities (57-60%) in public opinion polls going back 30 years but you never hear about it from the media. Here's a reference to some of the more recent ones:
Wikipedia:
Public opinion in the US
Between 2003 to 2009, 17 opinion polls showed a simple majority of the public, i.e. nearly 50-60%, supports a single-payer system in the United States.[41] These polls are from sources such as CNN,[42] AP-Yahoo,[43][44] Quinnipiac,[45] New York Times/CBS News Poll,[46][47][48] Washington Post/ABC News Poll, [49] Kaiser Family Foundation[50] and the Civil Society Institute. [51]
But you won't find much mention of that in the media.
As usual the racist and hateful comments are coming from the left. Great article though. Finally some content that is based in fact, unlike the left wing posters here. Do all of you liberal whiners think government would have the cash for your entitlements without the "old white tea partiers" that are paying taxes. You are naive to the extreme. As for your assumptions of the validity and effectiveness of the conservative movement and it's organizations, (the Tea Party is not the only one) November will tell.
To Themman: - your right - my computer was made by a large corporation (but not the biggest computer corporation) -- and unfortunately my operating system comes from the biggest software corporation monopoly -- and the sad reasons for this happening and me having to buy this brand is because they are Monopolies of this industry -- You really have no choice. Not many Mom & Pop Computer Manufacturers out there...
Now read my lips -- Corporate Monopolies - ARE THE PROBLEM..! Lobbyist that Keep these Monopolies in place are a Problem.. People who want these monopolies deregulated, and not have oversight, or want laws restricting whistleblowers when these companies break the rules/laws, well these people are a huge problem. Judges who allow mega-corps to spend unlimited money as Campaign Contributions, allowing for all practical purposes a bought vote..usurping the "Individual Citizen's" control on this country, well that is perhaps the biggest crime of all..!
Companies are not Citizens..! Companies have no rights.!
Some people are so dumb they only need 2 sentences to show what hypocrites they are.
Remberasha
An interesting thought. Do you continue it long enough to speculate if Warren Buffet, George Sorass, Oprah Winfrey, and others represent any "corporations"? What is your thoughts on labor unions engaging in the practices you mention? How do you feel about non governmental organizations receiving tax payers money to promote an agenda and influence election outcomes, like Acorn?
Don, I agree with your entire post. And I'm tired of the liberals putting words in their mouths. I am not a tea party member, however I support most of what they stand for. I'm sick of the current gov't ramming legislation down our throats, regardless of what th people want. I'm tired of the idea that libbies k now "what's good for us" and all others don't. I'm sick of outrageous deficits that will enslave our grandchildren. Most of all, I'm sick of people who don't know what they're talking about, and pigeonholing centrists as wack jobs. Look at the radicals in the Obama government, Black Panthers, avowed communists, anarchists, Weatherman, the list goes on and on.
Leave us to be our own people, not libbie sheep, following the piper to the slaughterhouse.
You're right about the deficits. Now let's remember how that happened:
- GW Bush, gutted taxes and spent money like it was water so the deficit soared
- GW Bush got us into two wars that have bankrupted our nation
- The Iraq war we didn't have any reason to fight, and it's bankrupting us
- The Afghan war we had some excuse to get into, but didn't need to conduct as anything but a massive punishment raid that could have gone into Pakistan. (That's how the Ottomans did it. They would punish any sheik or village that rebelled, then leave.)
And I assume that you are in favor of:
- Restoring taxes on the rich to at least where they were during Bush I's presidency.
- Closing down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
If you aren't, then you're a hypocrite.
I want to know when these old folks who are Tea Party members will start protesting against their Government benefits like Social Security and Medicare?
I am sick and tired of paying into these systems and tired of having the government confiscate my money every payday to pay the Social Benefits of these people who no longer want to work and make their own way.
I understand that they paid into the system and expect benefits - but that isn't my problem - if the politicians THEY voted for 20, 30, 40 years ago spent the money instead of saving it for them - how is that MY problem? They have the grievance with those politicians (most likely they are all dead by now) - BUT that gives them NO right to steal my money to pay THEIR social benefits.
It isn't about money and who is re-surfacing a deck, but about who lives next to a national park. If it were not for free-thinkers and environmentalists, some of whom were as radical as they come, there would be no national parks to live by! Duhhh
It is all about level of consciousness, the ability to weed through what is irrelevant and what man should priortize, and this should change as the years pass by. White trash is still white trash whatever the moniker, and the Constitution is as relevant today as are powdered wiglets and white knee high stockings for men. It is the quality of thinking and to rise above merely existing as a brainwashed drone.
Tea Party? How about the "Brainwashed Drones of America"?
John,
Bush is gone. Study the past and learn from it; do not become enslaved by it. We cannot alter the past, we can only alter the future by what we do now. Bush bashing was fashionable when BO first took office; it has lost it's luster.
skor,
Engaging in a little racist stereotyping there?
Rem,
Your comment implies that there are some. Why didn't you purchase from them? You can walk the walk, but......
Try on, selfish, greedy pig and me, me, me. And, I am as white as the first snow fall with an English/Scottish heritage. Like I said, human garbage is still trash -- regardless of income, things and re-surfacing a deck.
It's the deck upstairs that counts tossed with a little transcendentalism. I can think quite well, all by myself.
Virgo47
Congratulations, you did it in one.
skor,
That simply makes you a lilly white racist stereotyper. I am mostly from European, 1/4 Pawnee Indian and the balance, Mulatto; who cares; a racist is a racist.
AJ - You have summed it up very well. There will always be people who disagree with our government and the way America is put together. Every generation has had its decenters, activists, angry citizens, kooks, bigots, and confused people but that's part of our wonderful Democracy.
There is no other country in the world who allows vocal disagreement with their government or the parts of governing that need to be changed as much as ours. The right way to move forward is more centrist than either the fanatical right or left. We will only survive if this ability is preserved for future generations.
While I understand it's dangerous to attempt actual debate in a forum...
There is a problem with the American balance sheet. We can disagree over whose fault it is. I offer the following:
"72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1249465620080812
That seems like a pretty enormous hole in our revenue.
You want to get people off welfare? Raise the minimum wage. In today's dollars, it is at its lowest level since WWII.
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/bp177/
Once low wage workers are no longer below the poverty line, they can pay into the system. Yes, it would increase the price of goods, but less than you think:
"This study shows that a simulated $0.50 increase in the minimum wage, if entirely passed on to consumers, would have increased food prices by less than 1 percent for most of the foods at foodstores and by 1 percent at eating and drinking places."
http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/aib747/aib74703.pdf
The, you are so correct. I believe white Americans to be some of the least conscious folks on the Earth. Have any European friends? They think all white Americans are cowpokes with rifles hanging off every hip while chomping on tobaccy, screaming hee haw.
And, they have the same opinion of white trash Palin as I...
HMMMMMMM!!!!!! ANOTHER TEA PARTY ARTICLE BY THE LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES IN ONE WEEK!!!
Seems to me there's some fear a brewin' in the Lib's camp. More attempts at demonizing and misguiding the majority of Americans who agree with the Tea Party. Why is it a small percentage of people like the Liberal Progressives try so hard to force their ant-American, socialist agenda's on us? Even Grover Cleveland, the father of the Progressive movement stated,,,,
And as the Preamble so simply explains "establish Justice" NOT social justice. To "promote the general Welfare" NOT provide welfare. This is what the Tea Party is about. A Constitutionally limited government with fiscal responsibility driven by free market principles. I didn't even read the article but I'm sure it decried the Tea Party as old, ultra-conservative, angry, a Republican front, anti-government and of course the Liberal Progressives favorite,,,,racist!
Yes, the Tea Party is anti-government but not for the same reason may on the Left understand. We understand we need government but NOT more and more government that keeps failing miserably at everything it does. Just look at the economy, our domestic policies, our foreign policies, our social failing as a nation. Political correctness has created a mood of ambivalence as many Americans are afraid to voice their opinions because some small group somewhere may get "offended".
Our nation has become weak, delicate and irresponsible. We don't work out our differences anymore, we sue. We don't discuss our concerns, we argue. We don't know our neighbors, we fear them. We're not parents to our children, we're BFF's. We don't challenge our government, we submit to it. THIS is what the Tea Party is about. Remember, many of these people stepping out and voicing their concerns are the same people that in the 60's and 70's were protesting Vietnam and were antiestablisment. More accurately, antidisestablishmentarian! They know what it takes to make people become aware. These people were protesting, or supporting the protesters, before many of you were out of diapers. The difference between the Tea Party and the Liberal Progressives is that for the last 40-50 years (Yes, that's how long it's been since "Power to the People") the Tea Partiers grew up and realized our country is on the wrong path.
Love it or hate it, the Tea Party Movement is here and growing. Despite the propaganda the Liberal lamestream media wants you to believe, these Americans and many more by the day are being awakened to the corruption in our government. If you have a problem with a group of people wanting to restore our great countries Constitution and principles then we will all recommend you move to a country you feel more comfortable in.
BUT I RECOMMEND YOU HURRY AS MOST SOCIALIST COUNTRIES ARE FAILING DAILY!!!!!!!!!!
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With that said, regardless of your politic, I want to wish everyone a great and happy Father's Day!
When the Teaparty got hijacked by the Republican Party and defined by all of the GOP religious right hate filled fringe it lost all of its potential.
what potential was that?
For once I agree with James, but not how he means it. They have no potential. None. They're fringe nutters and moderates are not going to want all the "change" the tea baggers want to implement.
yes freedom is bad.
lol.....serfdom is good.
are you serious?
The TEA parties endorse the party of Hell No!
No blacks, no Hispanics, no Arabs, no gay rights, no womens rights, no non-Christian rights, no civil rights other than the 2nd amendment, no taxes, no public schools, no criticism of Israel, no compassion for the less fortunate.
Where were these people during the Geo.W.Bush administration or was it OK when Bush/Cheney were spending like a drunk on shore leave, tapping our phones, giving tax breaks to billionaires, torturing people, and invading countries on spurious evidence?
They want less corporate regulation and a smaller government but they were the first people to demand that the government fix the BP spill when it was the decreased regulation that led to the spill. I don't think that you will find anyone who says that the US doesn't have serious problems but I don't know many intelligent people who endorse the answers endorsed by the TEA party members.
you obviously have no clue as to the history of the tea party and are just believing this site as to its beliefs.
for one it started in 07 I know I was there. bush was one of the main topics and the patriot act.
now to address your "claims"
you are right no blacks, no hispanics no arabs....there would be no groups.....just americans...placing people in groups is racist in itself....
yes you are right not gay rights.
there should be no special rights for anyone....all that does is take away rights from another group. government should not be in marriage......making gay marriage legal....and people should be judged for what they contribute not "what they are in the bedroom"
womens rights.......see gay rights
no non christian rights.....lol obviously you dont know the constitution.
civil rights....yes the CRA should be repealed.....see above.....but if you are too lazy people would be judged for how they contribute. MLK said it best.....judged for the content of their character not for the color of their skin.
of course there would be taxes...just typical fearmongering.
no public schools.......lol yes we have done so well since the government has taken over education......teachers should answer to parents and not the government. one way to make the transition has been proposed as using vouchers.
israel...well we are non interventionist.....if you can comprehend that. we have bases in 65 countries totalling 170 bases...it makes us look bad to the world...we need to close all of them.
no compassion??? we are already the most charitable nation in the world....if less taxes more disposable income....hence charities.
stop the fearmongering.
James ,,,it is you who are doing the fearmongering with your "loss of freedom and telling everyone they don't know what they are talking about,,stop being such a "Know It All" There are many "other" educated people out here,,,stop the preaching and just maybe you could hear some of them.
The cold war has not ended, the REDS have just moved into the US and now call themselves TBers.
Arizona? They have been standing in the sun for far to long. And since it "not about race" could we pass a law that would keep Airzonaens from entering my state?
Just a hateful thought........I need some more Faux News and I could be a TBer too!
Without people like James we would be hard pressed to define "Ultra Wacko"
To Quote James: "there should be no special rights for anyone"
REALLY? What a novel concept...........why don't we try it for a minute or two until the entire country rebels over the loss of THEIR special right?
No more handicapped parking........good that takes up too much room at the store. No more tax deductible anything for anyone, no tax breaks for the rich..........NOW that would be good, no more tax exemptions for the poor.....hmm that would make them more poor, right? Perhaps then no more taxes.........then no schools but why should kids have the special right to an education anyway..........................WHERE will Jame's kind of thinking take us to next??? Can you add to the list of those "special rights"?
Nothing like that Freedom, you betcha.
TTQA Rattus - the tea party movement is taking over the Republican party. Tea Party candidates are beating the Republican establishment candidates most of the time. I know the democrat tea parties are trying to do the same in the Democrat Party, but not one has survived a primary that I know of.
What you repeat and probably believe is simply not true.
BWT - I am an independent, who currently is registered Republican. I am not a member of the tea Party, but appreciate what they are doing.
DB Akron: You cannot be an Independent and and Republican at the same time. That's like saying you are a Republican Democrat. I am a registered Independent with no party affiliation whatsoever. That's what independent means.
You are a Republican. Be proud....sort of.....
You would be wrong to believe that the Tea Party is "taking over" the Republican Party. They have far more money, connections (Read: Lobbying), and are definitely more established. The Tea Party prides itself on being decentralized and "unaffiliated", but only one of those decriptions is true....the decentralized part.
Like it or not, the Tea Party is a coalition of conservative republicans who know that if they campaigned as such, they'd lose. They co-opted the Tea Party a long time ago in an effort to reconstitute themselves as "for the people." Most of us know better than to believe the hype.
It's disgusting to hear fellow Americans who insist on "fairness" spout hatred for fellow Americans, who express their views via the Tea party movement or other conservative factions - as if NO ONE but a democrat is intelligent enough to raise valid concerns...
The obvious fact is: MANY Americans are fed up with the two-party system, as it is not representative, and has not been for years.
I applaud any fellow citizen who does not rely on the two-party system to formulate political views, as that system has landed us in the mess we are in.
America is a vast country with many differing needs and, consequently, many differing opinions and solutions to geographically specific problems. The case for limited federal gov't has never been more appropriate. States should manage their own affairs with the FEDS having only the power vested by the Constitution. This would reduce duplication of services and cut the deficit by billions, but it would also render the president and congress to the status originally intended for them: Public servants.
Many of us have held these views for years, and are not reliant on the media or political parties to lead us by the nose. I am hopeful we are moving in that direction, as Americans realize that the oversized Federal Gov't cannot possibly manage every need across this vast country - and it was never intended to do so.
Where was the tea party when Bush was lying and getting us in a war where thousands of our young people died??? Where were they when he spent more than anyother prez???? No critisimn then. Just confirms that the tea party can't stand that we have a black prez......bigoted and ignorant..
134 more days....we will know....if the love affair for Obama's agenda is still strong
860+ days we will know if the love affair for Obama is still around
I believe- as stated in another article on MSNbc "America has been "hoodwinked" by Obama.
His promises of hope and change - and the VERY PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATCS in general and the voting public - who voted for hope and change are finally waking up to realize that they've been taken for a VERY BAD RIDE.
I personally hope the Tea Party is around for a very long time. If nothing else - they make progressive liberals think before trying to complete their agenda.
Julie-tea bagger troll at it again. And you say you are an independent--Hhahahahahahahahha!!!!!
Hmmm -- now how much money for Tea Party events came from the GOP versus DEM Party --
hmmm How much funding came from Big Buisness CEO's...versus Environmentalist?
Now how many Democrat speakers have been asked to speak at Tea Party events versus GOP speakers...
And how many Tea Party members are part of the "Conservative Christian Movement" (Which in my opinion is neither) versus other religions?
I think the original poster's comment has been proven time and time again!
James-141677
Churches have special rights--hence the government sees marriage as between a man and a woman..........................it doesn't get more special than that when the government tells all that the bible states man and woman and no other way. Where do you think that thinking came from anyway?
Men' rights were always a given----to get equal rights (and not be considered merely chattle) women had to fight to the change the laws of MAN.........why did we have to do that?.......also a power and possession thing from the bible--men believing women are inferior.
CRA was (had to be ) enacted because without it the "BASE" element of so many "Americans" of a pale persuasion would never have recognized ANY other persons as being human beings deserving of any rights at all under the law.............and the fight for equality is still going on. The age of the powerful white guy is coming to an end.
You say "of sourse there would be taxes"............why don't you tell us what kind of taxes you would tolerate and what that money would be used for..............
Teachers already answer to parents--one on one everyday of the school year--and as a mother of 4 (and I saw a lot of BAD parents during that time) and the mother of a school teacher (many parents use school just like they use church-to baby sit their kids) a lot of parents are more ignorant and just dumber than their children.............a huge portion of parents just don't care what goes on at school...another portion just wants to be the one calling the shots in the class to help their child only and a smaller portion just wants to aid the teacher in getting the best education for their child as possible. Which are you? Parents are unfailingly emotional and volatile and that is counter productive to helping the child. THE TEACHER IS DAILY ASSAILED WITH PARENTAL INPUT.............WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?
You must be very afraid Ted...you keep stalking me. I'm a registered Independent in the state of Maryland....I don't care if you like my message or not. I will keep supporting the Tea-party..and I don't care if you like that or not either...so keep stalking me...who cares.
the real repubs dont even take the teabaggers for real,they do like to use them to create spins that aren't true.So they can distance themselves when a rand paul opens his mouth, and angle from nev.And teabaggers the demos love the teabaggersyou're the best reason to vote demo keep up the good work.
They are just a wild bunch of people screaming and ranting.
bidfast
Now repeat after me..."I Am An Obama Scholar"
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/06/students-instructed-to-chant-i-am-an-obama-scholar-video/
Just a wild bunch of people screaming and ranting.
There have been and always will be some very dysfunctional organizations which just love to stir up a certain population of unsuspecting, but well meaning, citizens to promote their dysfunctional organizations. Unfortunately, this very same certain population doesn't know what hit them. That is how effective these dysfunctional organizations are at exploiting citizens through influences of emotionalism, religion, fear, hate, ignorance, and sensationalism, all uses of illogical argument. There are some very functional organizations in their own communities where this same certain population of citizens could channel their energies and resources in some very positive and beneficial ways for a stronger America.
Mike it wasn't a bad message for those young blacks until they got to the AN OBAMA SCHOLAR part. Then that burned me up. Sure they have a right to be proud for the first black president. But they could have chosen someone else. There are conservative blacks out there that send a better message than Obama.
Our Rep. nominee for congress here in SC Tim Scott... may he win the runoff on Tues... is a black conservative, with family values, a love for his country, the love for its people whether they are black, white, red, yellow, purple.. he does not care. He is someone to look up to more than Obama, who in my opinion is a racist angry black man that wants to rule over whites. Have any of you actually stopped to look at Obama? It is all about him.. and nobody but him. Sorry got off of topic there for a bit.
Tim Scott in Nov. 1st congressional seat in SC. Woohoo... Go Tim!
www.votetimscott.com/
Oh yeah almost forgot... HE DOES HAVE THE TEABAGGER VOTE! So how are the teabaggers racist?
All Caps? trying to make a point?
Yes I was. Because I was reading the posts and it seems like alot of people on here are calling teabaggers racists and the is NOT true.
Please note, they aren't "teabaggers," a disgusting sexual term to used to insult a person, they are Tea Partiers or The Tea Party.
No need to call people insulting names when you support their mission.
getalifevirginia-892326
When the teabaggers stop calling us on the left & the President the incorrect name Socialist (lol right in the biggest capitalistic nation on earth, where socialism can't pay the lease for one month on my Mercedes or Jeep ), we will gladly stop calling them teabaggers...funny how you can all dish it out but can't take it. When your insults stop & your debate actually is based on reality; we'll engage you as equals in the national conversation, until then the Teabag movement remains a embarrassment to even average intelligence
teabagging
I guess it's to much to ask for clarity and commonsense from the left, their give-me brains just cannot adapt to what honest people do and that is work for a living and act responsible.
You boneheads who like large government are getting a real taste of how it works as I write and the people in the south along the Gulf Cost are the recipients of just how efficient "Large" clumsy, oversized, multi agencies of really expensive govenment works..aren't you frigging impressed.
From what I see you big gov nitwits are scared to death to fail without a safety net, you don't like working for the love of what you like to do and anyone who actually works in the private sector is a capitalist pig because they earn a real living and are not living off the tax dime for some exhorbitant phony wage as a union scab. So yeah big government is your place to hide and fail and still keep on being paid while everyone else pays for your stupid lazy butt. Don't worry the Deemers will always take care of your kind, they can't live without you.
For those of you who believe in the free market, capitalism, entrepreneurism, this Republic, Our Constitution, God and Country get used to the big gov folks running your patriotism into the ground. I guess they will always think that their big fat salaries, medical and dental plans, vactions and a untold number of holidays come from their back breaking contributions to the production of goods in this country.........You know I think the Tea Party folks are onto something.
Teabaggers and Conservatives in general lack the mental acuity to think beyond the now, which is why Progressives will always be smarter. Not only do Progressives learn from the past, but they look to the future, a better future. Teabaggers, Conservatives and Neo-Conservatives look at the past through rose-colored glasses and yearn for bygone days that never actually existed, and thus will always be doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
Please pass me a cup of that Darjeeling, thank you.
Silent Majority? First, the far-right is not silent--They are very loud. And second, they aren't the majority. Here in lies the problem. In a democracy, the minority does not get to be in charge. They chant how they will take back their government or country—like somehow the rest of the citizenry (the majority) doesn't have any say about the government or country. So, this is why the Tea Party threatens "second amendment remedies." If they can't get their way at the ballot box, they will resort to armed overthrow of the government? I suspect this is part of the right-wing pro-military profile of solving all problems with violence.
When Dubya was reelected in 2004, I was appalled. By that time evidence had surfaced about propaganda used to invade Iraq and the incompetent management of the invasion, and other offenses such as warrantless wiretaps, corruption in the Dept. of Justice, etc. I wished I could move to another country, but never thought I should arm myself and rise against my government. Not because the offenses didn't justify a strong rebuttal, but because that's just crazy talk.
The intense hate these far-right people have for Obama makes you think he killed a baby on live television. Part of the problem with the whole tyranny thing is conservatives like to rewrite history. For example, TARP was passed by Bush and Republicans, and after a closed door session of fear mongering, the Dems went along with it. Obama inherited the Great Recession, yet even in this article the conservatives blame deficits (largely due to the Iraq war) and economic meltdown on Democrats. In reality, deficit spending has always been greater during Republican administrations—look it up on Wiki.
And just because someone was an engineer doesn't mean they apply critical thinking and the Rule of Reason to politics. The days of William F. Buckley are gone, and now conservatives operate from emotion rather than fact. For example, "Drill Baby Drill." No matter who drills or where, ALL oil drilled goes into the global market. The barrels are NOT marked "U.S.A." So allowing drilling in U.S. territory does nothing but help big oil companies like BP (a British company) to be even more profitable. Subsidies for these oil companies on top of it all is just a final insult to American tax payers.
Speaking of which, tax cuts are great, but it depends who gets the cuts. Right now Republicans are fighting to stop estate taxation. But the estate tax (death tax) only applies to a small percentage (top 1%) of wealthy people who probably evaded taxes throughout their lives. The day Republicans favor tax cuts for Main Street—the average middle class worker—instead of Wall Street is the day hell will freeze over.
Further on the "Something for Nothing Crowd," people who think less income tax will mean more money in their pockets, or eliminating entitlement programs (Social Security), or fee-for-service programs (Medicare) will result in a higher standard of living are delusional. We will still pay for these things, and it will be less fair than having systems that require everyone to contribute. For example, we already pay for ER for the uninsured, for bankruptcies due to catastrophic medical bills, etc.
I do think people should pay for their kid's education—no more public, government-funded schools. People with kids already receive tax credits to help pay for the cost of having kids. Single/retired people pay higher tax rates to help pay for public schools (and lunches that are thrown in the trash)--That is redistribution of wealth. And it isn't even a matter of life or death profit per our current health care system, or abandoning the elderly to live on cat food and with no heat in winter.
If the right-wing wasn't so gullible, they would have a chance at being the majority again—with the rule of law—not treasonous threats. In the meantime, Republicans drove the car into the ditch, so I don't see why we should give them the keys again.
Ummmm, that's really interesting about the past because libs don't read or know about history so they are doomed to failure.
You say libs were really ssssmart?
rdixiesunrise-you have shown your side. Truth is you should do research before you talk. Obama care has both good and bad things about it. How funnywill it be when you or someone you love falls under the catagory of someone it did work for. If it is so bad next time tell your republicans to do there job and sit at the table to figure things out. The fact has been proven that no president has ever been completely blacklisted by the other party right of the start like this, yes "black" president has. I will bet you are one of the southern racists who think he is a muslim and was not born in the U.S. Your republicans that you have backed all these years are the ones who have not done anything to help fix any problems. As a mater of fact it was the one I'm sure you voted for that completely messed everything up to begin with. Isnt this how you like it down there, "Slavery". Have the black man clean up after you have made your mess. Look at what Bush had control of- He knew there was an attack coming and did nothing and when it happened sent our americans to die in a fight with the wrong country (Iraq not Affganistan). (MAY ALL YOU AMERICAN SOLDIERS COME HOME ALIVE AND TO YOUR LOVED ONES. WE LOVE YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU.) Then Katrina- ya he couldnt stop it but he could have helped the people, both white and black. If that was texas he would have went out of his way to build a 500ft wall, evacuated everyone, gave them homes, food, any help they needed. And that would be before the storm even hit. You probably think Obama went down to the gulf and caused the leak. Maybe you are right it was his responsibility to swim down there and stick his finger in the hole and stop the leak. Where are the republicans when it comes to fixing this mess? After all most of those states on the gulf are theres anyways. Fact is there are good and bad Dems and Reps. Until they quit thinking like you do and learn to work together, this country will continue to head down hill. Fighting only brings chaos.
Lets play a game. Look at the picture of the tea baggers and spot the mexican, black, or even the white guy with a tan. There are none.
All these teabagger advocates make me want to throw up. My guess is that if we could collect all the grey matter involved from these writers we might gather enough substance to make a small pimple on Obamas butt.
I would guess that many of them haven't a clue how to send an e-mail! These people have a lot of time on their hands. Most seem to be seniors or soon to be!
here's some of that history for you notime ...
From 1970 to 2009 there has been 2.1 trillion tax payer dollars spent on bailouts. Of this 2.1 trillion, 146.2 billion was spent under Democratic Presidents, and of this 2.1 trillion, 1,958.2 trillion (that's right, trillion) was spent under Republican Presidents. What I'm gathering from all the hooting and hollerin, Obama and Democrat bashing, is many Americans are angry because they've never seen this type of spending before in their lifetime, but I think most of them have.
$146,200,000,000.00 Billion spent in bailouts under Democratic Presidents.
$1,958,200,000,000.00 Trillion spent in bailouts under Republican Presidents.
$2,104,400,000,000.00 Trillion in Total bailouts from 1970 to 2009.
So I have to ask, those of you who consider yourself a Tea Party Advocate, no matter what political party you associate with, if any at all, and support and/or attend Tea Partys, what are you REALLY angry about?
http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts
Surprise: Dems are better for rallies
http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/21/markets/election_demsvreps/
Who's the Better Manager of the Economy, Republicans or Democrats?
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2004/manage_economy.html
Why the economy fares much better under Democrats
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2008/1021/p09s01-coop.html
Bush Latest GOPer to Show Democrats Better for the Economy
By Jon Perr Sunday Jan 25, 2009
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/bush-latest-goper-show-democrats-better-e
Politicians Lie, Numbers Don't And the numbers show that Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans.
http://www.slate.com/id/2199810
Hopefully more innocent civilians will die for oil in the future.
Hopefully the oil will kill every living creature in the gulf that's in our way of drilling.
Hopefully we never find a clean energy solution so we can prove global warming isn't real.
Hopefully my kids, and their kids, will get to suffer.
Good sarcasm. I agree.
The Tea Party is just a group of people from the party of NO working under a different name hoping to draw some of the Democratics their way. Their tactic: use fear, doom and gloom to try and scare people to their side of what they think this country should look like. I say, if you liked Bush, join the Tea Party and they can run the economy into the ground again and maybe put us in a couple more wars.
All I can say is that I like my tea bag. When I'm done with it I just squish it and throw it away.
Excuse me Obama is doing a better job of running this country into the ground than Bush ever did. Just wait your taxes haven't gone up for the Obamacare that was thrust upon us, even though hardworkers didn't want it. Even my friend who is on medicaid does not want it.
you just don't realize what all of the so called free healthcare will cost you and me. I will be paying more for people who don't even want to work who thinks Obama is the messiah and still think they don't have to work because everything will be handed to me. I still remember that one woman who said that she didn't have to pay her mortgage anymore and she was so happy. I wonder if she is still has happy now as she was back then. We will be paying for something that no one will get for another 4 years. So how is that healthcare working out for you?
Really why don't you source then??? When all you have are insults in place of fact you've lost the debate.
Lets start with economic growth
how about the war on terrorism? Obama has made far more gains in Afghanistan killing terrorists & of course we all know who ignored 9/11 warnings...and thus allowed us to be attacked losing 3000 American civilians, how can you forgive that? In fact how dare you!! And btw Healthcare reform can't happen overnight in a country of over 300 million & was planned to roll out later, but you KNEW that!
Hell! I was going to go line by line, but why don't you start getting the truth yourself?If you are going to debate here at least know what you are talking about, ESPECIALLY when you want to defend Bush! Riun into the ground? Bush was taking us straight to hell, well past the"ground".
For you incompetent liberals (IT is the party of KNOW)
You don't understand EDD. You have two choices for the name of your party. The party of NO or the Obstuctionist party. If I were you I would choose the lesser of two evils and want to be known as the party of NO
Well David Nelson-922104
We are the Party of Know, We are the party of fiscal Responsibility which the word NO has to be used when you have the Progressive aka Communist Party stealing the American people blind and giving America's wealth to Communist regimes who slaughter their own people for nation and global domination.
May I remind you that adults say No! Children hate the word of NO.
McCarthy was right all along wasn't he? We, and I feel confident, that I am speaking for the majority of Americans that we have no desire to be the global slaves aka worker bees on Obama's Plantation. It is a perverted and wicked plan, and I can assure you that true Americans momentum has grown far more than you, George Soros and Huffington realize and the time is near when the entire might of true Americans will shine forth and destroy the corruption that is destroying America and Freedom around the world and our Liberty bell will ring out so loud that is shall be heard by the entire universe. So listen and change your ways.
Ginger, thank you for speaking up for your (and the Tea Party's) position. You've convinced me that I was right all along - You people are nuts!
Oh, and I will assure you, you are not speaking for most Americans - that might be part of the Tea Party delusion, but it is far from the truth.
rdixiesunrise61: Really? The same was said about Social Security and Medicare by the "NO" crowd of past generations. Maybe you should trade in your crystal ball for one that works.
ALSO: stealing the American people blind and giving America's wealth to Communist regimes who slaughter their own people for nation and global domination. WOW!! Just what Bush/Cheney did when they sold off our country to the Chinese to finance the Iraq War. Get a grip!
EDD and Ginger: "Knowing" the misinformation pushed by multi-millionaire con artists like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity is akin to ignorance. Thus, to "know", in your definition, is to "Not Know" in the real world.
Just wait your taxes haven't gone up for the Obamacare that was thrust upon us, even though hardworkers didn't want it. Even my friend who is on medicaid does not want it.
Really? Well, when his medicare is gone and you lose your job and don't have to pay 700 per month fpr COBRA, you'll apprecite it.
The Tea Partiers are just the same old right wing rednecks who don't know they are shilling for corporations. The mainstream media (like NBC) wants to make us think that the tea partiers are a "new" movement when they are a re-branding of the same old angry old white rednecks who are being duped by the corporate shills at FOX News.
The three biggest deficit creators over the last 3 decades were Reagan and the two Bush's. Somehow, you didn't see the tea partiers protesting that.
You never see the tea partiers denounce the largest threat to democracy, which is not big government but corporatism. Indeed big government is a threat only when it is a tool of corporatists. If you think I am wrong, just look at who gets the most benefits out of government, whether it is corporations that pay little or no taxes compared to everyone else or the Wall Street Bailout or the Bloated military budget that sends more money to defense contractors than actual quality equipment to the military (which is why our military was short of almost everything in Iraq)
The Tea-Partiers real motto is this: Its OK for a white republican president to spend us into oblivion, but not a black democratic president. Deficits are OK from a white republican president, but not from a black democratic president. Its enough to make me puke.
My problem with Obama is he is a corporate democrat. Republicans have been corporate times 10.
Tea baggers are nothing more than sore losers who hate the fact that Democrats won big in the last election. I wouldn't say that at all if it weren't for the facts. Where were these yahoos when George Bush was spending big? Where were these yahoos when Bush initiated the prescription drug program without paying for it adding billions to the national debt? Where were these yahoos when Bush enacted his tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans without paying for it and adding billions to the debt? Where were these yahoos when Bush gave a bail out of $750 billion dollars to Wall Street bankers?
Where were these yahoos when the Republicans were in charge for 14 years and did nothing on immigration? Only when Barrack Obama was elected president and started to stave off another great depression did they come forward and start crying over it. We may never know if the bail outs saved this country from another depression but it was obvious that something had to be done. As for the Health care debacle not one decent plan or suggestion was given by the republicans all they did was to get their base to yell and scream at town meetings and make a show of it. Elderly people standing around with signs "government hands off my health care" all the while collecting from MEDICARE a government run health care system. It amazes me how these groups try to conceal their true meaning while having people like Sarah Palin speaking for them. The fact the Angle is going to speak at their "convention" is amazing, elderly people collecting social security and medicare going to listen to a woman who wants "phase" out both of these vital programs.
SNAPPA: We were typing almost the exact same thing at the exact same time. That is exactly what I want to know? I can't help but believe that most of their outrage is about the color of President Obama's skin.
I absolutely agree with you. The scab of racism has been torn off and the people who hate people unlike themselves seem to feel they have free rein on hate. It's always been there, but we being the civilized society that we are would not admit that it was always there. I am so sad for my country and the hate that is generated my the "stars" of the conservative movement. There is no amount of education and common sense that can take the place of all of this hate. I am sorry for my country. The people that profess all of this change they will make if elected, will do no more to change things than the people already in office. It is an institution that cannot be changed by a few new congressman or senators. To believe otherwise is very naive.
how can people agree with the first post on this??? the "tea baggers" started in 07 against bush......you people really dont have a clue.
Yes James, after the repubs lost the house and the senate. Its also just a coincidence that their first rally of hatred just happened to be the first month OBAMA took office.
so obama took office in 07????????
ok wow I wish I lived in the haze you do....must be amazing.
Wrong again James. You dont even seem to be able to comprehend the facts I took the time to write. This is the reason people dont take the teabaggers seriously.
The Majority can see right through the republicans in sheep clothing.
I was at the first tea party....obama was not in office and I know what we were railing about...one of those things was the patriot act.....you really are that brainwashed.....congrats you are the elites success story.
The only thing Obama is staving off is the recession for Mil.Gov, who just got a 6% raise, and
so-called 'Defense' got a 14% raise, AND a $160 BILLION unaudited undisclosed bonus plan.
You don't honestly believe 80,000 US troops 'fighting' 25,000 Tango cost $160 billion a year,
not when in Viet Nam, 550,000 US troops fought 400,000 NVA for only $65 billion a year, and
in the same 2008 dollars. This is just a slaughter of the working people, here, go take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyG_KBg9G5Q&feature=related
Once the al-Gore'ians execute their Global Climate Caliphate, and impose ~$100 a month in
Carbon Tithe-Taxes on every American, working or not, commuting or not, and eating or not,
the demise of 100,000,000 Americans will be sealed. Already there are 42,000,000 of US
who are jobless or working multiple part-time temp jobs with no benefits and no insurance.
America has 12,500,000 invisible homeless, the largest refugee population on Earth. Word!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIQWQ-Qt4vE&feature=related
They just bailed out the international financiers, and the rest is mint mouthwash and a $20.
Both China and the US will terminate their 'Recovery' programs by this fall. They weren't a
'Recovery' program at all, they were a 'Get Away' program for the international financiers
to leverage up and out of their US$ holdings and get the rest of their money out of stocks.
Congress has just canceled COBRA health insurance for the newly unemployed Gulf folks,
leaving them twisting in the wind, moping oil off of swamp grass with no health coverage!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9pCQYsEOhI&feature=related
SNAPPA.................you sum it up so well that I can only congratulate you in asking some of my most frequent questions.
Seems to me that many Obama haters only see what is affecting them or is what they believe is true and do not go beyond to their "Christian" roots and read what Christ was quoted in the Bible: "Are you not your brother's keeper?" I don't think he mentioned anything about illegal, black, Hispanic, muslim or any other exceptions for brother. Christians in name only in many, many cases I think.
the emergence of the tea kettle was a natural occurence given what the republicans had done to this country. nothing gets this bad over night and those with foresight from the right of right realized that if they did not " shang hai" the movement that it would be used against them, what the tea party has evolved into was not it's original agenda as pointed out in the story there are a lot of good everyday people who joined for the want of something else. once President Obama showed up those that weaseled their way into the "Steep Masters" chair turned up the heat and let that thar kettle boil over and allowed the hate mongers like lush limpbag and glen " i've got a gold coin" beck and the ignorant like sarah failin to become their talking heads in order to disrupt things , coyly believing that what they had done would go unnoticed. and sadly and unbelievable as it is i have to believe that the tea party of the original intended grass roots movement either realized it or were so lost in dispair didn't care about it and turned their backs to it. however now they were stuck with it and are willing to play it out. what the decent people who belong to the tea party should have done was to regroup and stated loudly that they wanted " OUR" country back for each and every one of us and ran on a ticket of unity................
SNAPPA...The common thread that runs through any group of teabaggers is racism. They try to cover it up, but if you continue to listen, their true beliefs become clear.
the first Tea party ... back in 07 was via Ron Paul and his followers. no Bushies !
this latest is a hijacked second rate imitation.
JAMES: I was at the first tea party....obama was not in office and I know what we were railing about...one of those things was the patriot act.....you really are that brainwashed.....congrats you are the elites success story.
Two things here: 1. You can't count the time you and your daughter played "tea party" with her stuffed bear and toy tea set. 2. Yes, WE ARE THE ELITES. As we intellectuals know that America is the elite country of the world, NOT the trailer-trash lowest common denominator.
I for the life of me still do not know where all of these ranting, raving "I want my country back" lunatics were at when "W" was making this horrid mess we are in? Where were they when he told his lies to get us into Iraq? Where were they when he gave the largest tax cuts in history to the ultra wealthy during a TIME OF WAR. Where were they when he wiretapped, fired U.S. Attorneys, and on and on and on. It was the most corrupt Administration ever. Where were you then? The current deficit is still on theirs backs. Where were you? Oh, I know living comfortably off of your Social Security that you now want young people to have to invest in the same Stock Market that robbed us all in 2008.
Amen to that!!!
Yes, yes, yes yes!
these three posts are showing their intelligence. the tea party started with Ron Paul in 07 against bush...I know I was there.
ignorance does not make good talking points gentlemen.
please stop the fearmongering.
James is right on that fact. Ron Paul was HUGE! Tea party republican run. But the thing about Ron Paul is he actually believes in individual freedoms, unlike many of his supporters. They spout it but they don't walk it.
We are manipulated. I know the card (my aim) 6 hearts say. So name the suits (here are the choices) so, hdsp, well throw out spades and clubs, leaving hearts and diamonds. Pick one of those (your "free" choice) if you pick hearts we keep that, if you pick diamonds we throw that out and say that leaves hearts. Like same through the trick as I direct you to the "card" I knew was the one and placed in advance. Our choices are manipulated folks. The bottom line is that fiat money buys everything for itself and leaves the will of others on the shelf. I'm just crazy, huh? Money. This is HELL.
JAMES: The Tea Partiers (Tea Baggers, whatever) what nothing to do with Ron Paul. They are confusing Libertarian values with irresponsible rants and racism.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02/20/ron-paul-wins-cpac-2012-straw-poll-sarah-palin-is-third-with-7/
maybe that will shed some light to you on how ron paul is doing
racism is impossible among true libertarians.
If my fellow Nevadans even think of getting rid of Harry Reid it will show just how ignorant they really are. Here we have the 3rd most powerful member of the government representing our state and they want to oust him for a JR senator with no power to assist our state. This election is a local election, the country be damned I'm voting for my state in this election when it comes to the country its the President that matters. Harry Reid has done good things for this state, single handedly saving City Center project and saving 12,000 jobs, stopping the Yacca mountain nuclear waste facility. Those two things alone gives him my vote.
Yes he has and I come from RI and I follow everything he has said and done and like you I have great Senators. I must say though Ensign must go , he is a scum bag!
Excellent observation. I'm not sure what these people think a JR senator will be able to accomplish. That would put the state of NV back on the bottom rung of influence. May sound corrupt and cynical, but there it is. Let's face facts, Reid can accomplish so much more than a nut job from po-dunk NV. Why in the world would the people of NV want to sacrifice the single most prestigious person in the Senate for a person that has positions right of Rush Limbaugh.....
snappa
yes it must feel good to have big business behind you....funny thing is....you dont ask yourself why big business would support your candidate and not the republican who is for a free market.......maybe she cant be used by business like reid can. democrats are such hypocrites.....if republicans have big business behind them they are corrupt...but when democrats do its ok....
just amazing.
Add me to the list of people who are voting for Reid (both of them) come November.
answer the question why big business would be supporting him???? serious question or are you just a troll?
Harry reid has done nothing for nevada except make millions of dollars for himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VOTE HARRY REID OUT IN 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
exactly and he is for big business and coruption and this election is proving it...already the mining and gambling indrustries are behind him.....funny isnt it??????? how can this not wake up people?????
businesses dont want free market...they dont want a government that leaves them alone..they want a government they can use.
how can this not be sinking in to the people????
SNAPPA you are brilliant. It may have escaped you but the state of Nevada has the highest unemployment in the nation. Nevada also has the worst school system in the nation with the highest drop out rate and the lowest graduation rate.
Harry Reid sure has made our state great. A groundhog could do better. I will be happily voting against him next election.
Highest unemployment and your bad school system are not a function or responsibility of the Federal governement, Devil. You should look to Nevada's Governor and State Assemblies for their responsibility in the matter. I believe you'll find much of the blame lying on the shoulders and in the pockets of those who governed your State over the last 10 years.
Skep-tik: Bulls-eye! These folks love to lump EVERYTHING into one heap and throw it in the direction they want things to go, no matter how implausible the application of blame. More often, it's much more complicated.
With a state whose economy relies mostly on gambling/vacation revenues, I'm not certain how Mr. Reid could be responsible for the basic underpinnings of their economy. Guess what gets hit first in a recession? Gambling and vacations! If they want their state to have a more diverse economic base, they'll have to walk out of the casinos and brothals and get to work. Oh, that's right, that's the government's job, right?
As for their NV's educational issues, that's partly a federal thing....like the "No Child Left Behind" junk of the George W. Bush era. Most states want to dump it, because it doesn't work. But mostly, this will take a lot of work on a LOCAL level to correct and Nevada will need to offer incentives to attract good teachers with good curriculums.
It ain't Harry Reid who's to blame, so you NV folks better roll up your sleaves and get to work.
all of these liberals tout how the tea party is just the GOP and for big business....but when big business is backing their candidates there is always some way the will justify it in their heads.
fact remains...mining and gambling industries are supporting Harry Reid. Why would big business supporting him then??? maybe because he is corrupt and in their back pocket???? someone who wants a free market leaves businesses to fend for themselves. If the free market is so corrupt people then why do businesses not want it???
as I said earlier...businesses dont want a government that leaves them alone...they want a government they can use.
people need to wake up to that fact.
James, the right wing douchenozzle Sharron Angle has made comments about reinstating prohibition. I bet the casinos are just ready to jump right on her bandwagon so they can lose what directly and indirectly contributes to a vast portion of their revenue. Because admit it, getting plowed, spending WAY too much at the tables, and then staggering up to your hotel room is how the money is made here.
If Angle had her way Nevada would be a toxic dump, literally and figuratively. Reid kept Yucca from being turned into a dumping zone, and that is huge for those of us who have to live in this state and have our lives impacted by that crap being brought through on the rails.
Trying to get you to understand is futile though, you're too narrow minded to even bother to look at facts. You just continue to regurgitate propaganda ad nausem .
Ferrferr:
If I lived in Nevada, I'd vote Mr. Reid back in quicker than I could lose $5.00 in the slots of Las Vegas! However, all is not lost on Angle. She will prove, without a double down at the craps table, that Reid is the better choice, especially when she won't even answer a simple question by a reporter (CNN, to be specific) about her stance on abolishing Social Security as we know it today and creating "private" accounts. That was a losing proposition when Bush promoted it and he was certainly more popular than Ms. Angle.
Her stances on critical issues will do her in, especially with non-teabagger voters. It's just hard to watch happen. It's scary, quite frankly.
The Tea Partiers have theirs. To hell with everybody else.
I just love it when they decry "Big Government"..."Hands off MY HEALTHCARE" which is usually Medicare?!?.
Their logic is just so off. Can they not follow a single line of thought to its logical conclusion?
Rand Paul compares equal rights to gun control in a bar? Sharron Angle has a problem with fluoridated water and the legalization of alcohol in Nevada? Does she not know that Las Vegas is in Nevada?
These people would fight against Obama if he said that the sky was blue.
Hateful, hateful people.
The United States of America is the country that must keep itself, above all, the country where all things are possible with the biggest opportunities for ALL people. Tea partiers would put a halt to that if they had the chance.
It is ironic that most people that scream about the horrors of "socialized medicine" are on some form of socialized medicine.
I'll never forget when one man posted: "Me and all of my military buddies are against health care reform".
Big talk from people that have never paid a medical bill in their lives.
lu
well if I pay for something every month why should I not get the results of my labours? I would love to end all those programs.
LU,
I have news for you… I am active duty military and I absolutely pay medical bills and co-payments for my family…. Despite my service to this nation, despite my terms of enlistment, despite payments for medical insurance/health coverage for my family.
-So please do not speak of things of which you do not know… it clearly demonstrates your ignorance!
Why don't you just pay cash to a private doctor?
Why don't you get off the government payroll instead of hiding behind the "i'm serving my country" bullsh!t story.
Most people go into the military because their parents left them with no other options.
There's nothing "ignorant" about living in reality.
This is a capitalist society. You should have respectful to those that are able to contribute to society instead of having to be totally dependent on the government for their existence.
I support myself and my family. When you are no longer receiving government handouts then you get to criticize others.
when money is extorted out of me why wouldnt I want to utilize it??? i am not rich.
we live in a coporatism society...not capitalistic....but then you would know that being intelligent and all.
amazing.
He has that option. All servicemembers do, and most of them go off post anyway. Been there, done that.
It's a benefit offered to those who, unlike you, have the guts to stand up and offer something of themselves to their country. They volunteer, they get the benefits. Why don't you give up your health care? It's from your employer's payroll. Pay for your own and quit claiming benefits from whoever it is that hired you.
Bitter because the Girl Scouts turned you down or something? Most of us go into the military for the service, the camaraderie, the desire to give back something of ourselves to the country that gave us the chance to be whatever we want. Since you never went in, you know nothing about it. But that's just one more thing you have no clue about, so it shouldn't surprise anyone.
As soon as you try it, let us know how it worked for you.
You should likewise "have respectful" to those who do contribute by offering their lives if need be, rather than assuming your superiority (which you don't have in the first place.) Those in the military are not totally dependent on the government for their existence any more than private citizens are totally dependent on their employers for theirs. They have taken a job under the auspices of the US government, like postal workers (whine about them much?) or agents of the FBI (ooh, wait...more gummint drones who contribute!) They're enjoying the benefits of their work like you do yours.
Pistoff08 and Careermilitary I want to thank you both for the service that you have given our wonderful country and its citizens. (some not so grateful, sorry for that).
My father is retired from the Air Force, my husband is retired from the Navy. My son is now in the Navy and my daughter a year ago signed up for the Air Force Reserves. I love my military as you can see. The military gives so much for their country and are not always appreciated. Here is my thanks from one patriot to another.
Lu, you are so correct. The U.S. military is the largest socialized program in this nation, but then, we are a nation of bloodthirsty mass murderers who love to kill others.
What if all the monies funneled to our immense war machine were directed into saving the Earth before it is too late? Whoops, I goofed. Science maintains the last decade to save the Earth from the greed of man was in the 80's...
Even the most stupid of birds does not destroy his only nest... What's the baggers position on the salvation of the Earth?
Skor, are you typing your post with a stone and chisel? You my friend are a hypocrite… if you want to live in the stone age… pack up and have at it baby…
LU,
-So providing for the defense of the nation is not a – contribution to society?
--Really? Very interesting? I am pro-capitalist, it would seem in YOUR MOST ESTEEMED estimation LU that unless you are creating a profit or wealth you are not contributing to society?
--So, what about Law Enforcement/Police, Fire Department personnel who keep your streets, homes neighborhood safe so you can rest at night? Are they not contributing to society?
--So what makes the profession of arms any different?
Or are you going to now say that FREEDOM/SAFETY/SECURTIY domestically and abroad is ensured nay guaranteed by the blood and sacrifices of some other entity?
One of the effects of photo journalism is knowing how to use a photograph to help tell and sell a story. In this news story, which purports to show a growing number of people who call themselves Tea Party members or supporters, the picture captured to help sell the story is a cheap attempt to show a huge crowd, when it is not.
For example, when there is a huge crowd, between 100,000 and 250,000, an aerial photograph is taken to show a sea of people, and that helps to sell the story as having massive support.
When the a ground picture is taken, as in this case, showing the faces and bodies of people in the front row and a scattering of people in the background, it deceives the reader's eye into thinking the people in front represent thousands behind.
Look again at the picture and then see in the background the empty spaces to help understand this is cheap photo journalism.
The Tea Party movement may have people who genuinely care about America, but as with the conservative and liberal movements supporting the Republicans and Democrats respectively, it has been hijacked by extremists, and so it runs the danger of either getting worse or fizziling to the point of extinction or irrelevance.
The Tea Party has a message that it wants to have a government that is run different from the Obama Democrats, but since it has no mandate and no method to effect changes, it has to settle for mundane gimmicks. Neither the Tea Party nor the Republicans have a viable alternative to what Obama is doing, because the Republicans took over the government in 1992 with a huge surplus and in eight years, ran up a massive deficit, entered into two wars without a clear exit strategy, and oversaw the collapse of the US economy.
What exactly will the Republicans do differently than to raise taxes on the middle and lower class? If Obama does not raise taxes on the rich, then he has to raise it on the middle and lower class, and if he doesn't do this, then he has to cut federal spending. One way or other, to get out of this, sacrifices have to be made, and it is either the sacrifices are evenly spread out or they are lopsided. Bottom line: there is no easy way out of this quagmire that stretched beyond America's geographic boundaries.
What I see is a bunch of people that are completely dependant on the very programs that they are protesting.
I say give 'em what they want. End it all and end it now. End Medicare, Social Security, VA benefits, etc.
Make it a State issue. If the Donor States didn't' have to support the Beggar States they could provide for their own.
And if you're from a Beggar State and are totally dependent on "liberal socialist" programs too f@cking bad for you. You should have invested in education and proper nutrition instead of guns and beenie babies...
Lu are you a gov't worker who has been sucking off the gov't tit all thier life??????????/ These people were forced to pay into those programs, why shouldn't they get thier money back.. The gov't will continue to print money and go into debt to pay for all of the gov't workers retirement benefits. That is after they drain the money that these people paid into social security and medicaree all thier lives
So what if they paid in.
My father paid in but refused to take anything from the government and he lived until his late 80s.
But my father was a true conservative, not just in name only. And he planned to support himself all of his life instead of counting the days when he could sign up for a government program.
They were designed to be "insurance", not endowments.
I once worked for the government for 6 months and quit. Being that unproductive drove me nuts. I am from the private sector. Government work is for the lazy and the weak....
...and yes, that includes the military...the biggest, most wasteful sector in our nation...
Lu
It's so refreshing to hear an appreciative voice. You're from the private sector eh? How's that private sector job creating thing going. Oh that's right the private sector eliminates jobs too.
That military is one reason you can be an intolerant ass. You should change your name to Me.
We should all stop feeding our kids - hell can't make money off em. They are not entitled. And you can beat them down easily. Damned cannibal.
Lu what drugs are you on dear lady? If it was not for the military you would be living in a world run by communist or crazies (yep crazier than Bush or Obama). If it was not for our soldiers and sailors during WWII Hitler could easily have taken over our fair country. Do you not remember they were just off the east coast? But our wonderful Navy pushed them back. Look it up if you don't believe me. I believe it was off the Carolina coast, south or north I don't remember.
Lu get a friggin grip on reality my dear.
I am a teabagger, retired navy wife, raised an air force brat, raised navy brats and damn proud of it!
As for living off the tit of the government I have earned that right. I kept the family going while the hubby sailor was out at sea. My father served in the Vietnam War, he deserves the benefits that he gets, which have been slowly ebbing away. He was promised free medical for the rest of his life. Well guess what @!$%#... he has paid for medicare and he is now on medicare BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT HAS TOLD HIM NO MORE FREE MEDICAL. This happens when you hit retirement age. As for the free medical that my husband and I were suppose to get well guess what that was taken away too. We pay premiums every month plus copays to doctors and hospitals. So don't say that we are getting it free because we are not.
you say the government does not work hard? Lady where do you live are you dreaming? Our military works harder than you can ever imagine. They give up their life when called for duty. Plus if you figure out their pay they work for less than minimum wage. THEY ARE ON CALL 24 HOURS A DAY 7 DAYS A WEEK!
What about your lazy azz, why did you not join the military? You no doubt don't love your country, the one that gave you the rights that you have today. Count yourself lucky that there are people who are willing to put their lives on the line for your sorry unappreciative behind.
Wow that got me going, I have been reading your post from the first one and all I can see is hatred for other people and haterd for people who risk their lives for you. People like you make me so sick and so embarrassed to be an american.
rdixiesunrise61:
So your support for the military is a "quality of life" issue, and I get that. I, too, understand the importance of national security and appreciate the contributions our military folk make. What I don't get is how so many people who clearly understand the necessity of a healthy military to our quality of life can also advocate the end of public education and argue against universal health care. It makes little sense for our fighting men and women to put their @$$e$ on the line in Iraq and Afghanistan if other factors such as a lack of education and a distorted and disfunctional health care system erode the very quality of life they are fighting for! The problem is that the right has perpetuated the misperception that health care reform is targeted at "leeches" and "people sucking off the government teat," when in fact it is aimed at helping the critical working class. I have been caught in the "no man's land" between "poor enough for care" and "too poor to pay for insurance," and by "poor" in that second phrase, I mean working three part time jobs to pay bills and still having to choose between paying the mortgage and buying food or paying the ridiculously high, "price fixed" rates for insurance that have become the norm as the insurance industry has run rough-shod over an American public with no viable alternative. I pay my taxes like every good citizen, and I want my taxes spent on "quality of life" needs ... national defense, good education, and good health care. And guess what? One of my tax dollars carries just as much weight as one of yours, so quit telling me it's okay to support the military but not okay to support health care reform!
The military isn't as well off as you people think. This year, the military recieved a COLA raise of 3.4% across the board. That means that a private, with less than 2 years of service will make $1447.20 a month. A sergeant (E-5) with 4 years of service will make $2414.30 a month and a brand new leuitenant, just out of college will make $2745.60. This is base pay and does not include things like basic allowance for housing, which, by the way, did NOT keep up with the current market. The good news is that this is steady employment. The bad news is, there is a really GOOD chance that you are going to end up in a war zone. As a military wife... that bothers me... A LOT!
The VA did NOT recieve a COLA raise this year, thank you very much. I recieve my health care through the VA. I pay co-payments for all of my medications that do not pertain to my service connected disability, with the exception of one, that is not on the VA formulary, and though I get the VA to prescribe it, I buy it on the economy at $180 a month. Other than the VA, I have no other health insurance. I can't afford it. As a vet... that PISSES ME OFF!
Do I support the Tea Party? Oh HELL no! Frankly, I think that they are a bunch of nutters. But then, I'm not really all that fond of the Dems, either. I think that BHO walked blindly into a mess that was created by Bush and co, and realizes that he isn't getting a second term. But I don't think that Sarah's going to get elected to the White House.
I support health care reform... just not the form that it's taken. It's a joke. Why couldn't we have looked at countrys that have made socialized medicine work, see how it worked and adapted it to our way of living?
I support the military for obivous reasons.
I defend the right of the nutters to have their opinions... just don't push them on to me.
Brite:
You are so right about the public option. Why is it that so many people who claim to think we are the greatest nation on earth are so convinced we can't do what countless other countries have done? I have talked with many, many students and educators from countries with national healthcare, and they never voice complaints about the so-called problems they are supposed to have in their systems. The right has perpetuated the myth that the occasional problem (apparently much rarer there than here) represents their entire systems. I have students and colleagues from Canada, England, France, the Netherlands, and countless other countries with national healthcare, and to a person they say it far outstrips what we have here in America. As for their supposed "tax burden" for these services, their taxes - which cover most if not all their medical needs - are far less than my taxes and insurance premiums combined. In fact, in most cases, they are less than my insurance premium alone! Our system is broken, and the insurance industry does not want it fixed because they are living high on the hog off of the misery of countless middle class Americans who have to choose every month between exorbitant health care premiums and other basic necessities of life. I can only hope that the current health care reform will lead eventually to a better, more sustainable option such as these countries have. My fear is that if the conservatives have their way, we will get only repeal and a return to the current, unsustainable status quo.
Spiritdance... here's the sad part... I've heard that they want to model the "new healthcare" system after the VA, because the VA has a "very high" satisfaction rating... want to know WHY the VA has a high satisfaction rating?? Vets are TERRIFIED of speaking out against it. Me? I could care less. What are they going to do to me? Take away my 10% disability? I get $127 a month. And half the time they take that away to pay for my co-pays. I'm a freaking peace time vet, at the bottom of the barrel, I barely count in terms of the VA. Unless you are an OEF/OIF vet, you don't count. Don't even get me started... LOL
I talk to the old men in the VA, the Korean and VietNam vets who get pushed around by the system and don't know what their rights and benefits ARE. Who lost out on retirement benefits and who are living on practically nothing and come to the VA and get screwed, and have the VA and Medicare and STILL can't afford their meds, and then hear civilians complain about people "living" off the government... Try it... I dare you. I double dog dare you.
I work, go to school and pay out of pocket for ONE medication that the VA USED to cover, but took OFF of it's formulary because it's too expensive, but is tolerated better than most other diabetic drugs and easier to control than insulin.
Well . . . I read the story because I still want to find out why the Tea PArty members follow this 'party'. I honestly want to know. However, the stroy does a poor job in aiding my disocvery. It continues the same path as other stories, tax-spend, health care, corruption, etc. The same story, but with no facts to support their position. As others posted before, the previous republican administration fit the description of what they oppose. When Agnius stated that repulcians have been mariginalized for years, I wonder if she reads the news from behind republican-filtered glasses. Taxes are at a record low, after Obama lowered them, he brought back pay-go (you would think republicans would want this, but opposed it as well). So, I will continue my quest to understand the Tea Party position. Maybe someone will come out and use facts, and not just speak loud.
I agree whole heatedly with you!
if either of you would like to be educated with the tea party stances...just let me know.....respect would be appreciated.
Please educate us.....let us know their stances ? You actually may have a clue, you seem intelligent and I'm willing to hear what you have to say. It is my experience that 99% of all teaparty members don't have a clue what they stand for until they listen to Limbaugh and Palin et al.
easy
decreased federal government and more power to state and local governments....end the military industrial complex.....we dont need 170 bases in 65 different countries......its breaking us for one.......unethical and promoting hate for us around the world for another. freedom to do whatever you want as long as you dont infringe upon the rights of others....ie legalizing drugs....prohibition never works...all it does is make criminals out of people and fuels a criminal underworld. I could get way more into it if you want to hear more. Its libertarianism. Ohhhh and the government should not be involved in marriage....hence gays could get married if wanted to.
I truly believe if more americans were aware of the true stances of libertarianism they would embrace it.....how can you reject freedom????
but like I said there is way more too it....you should ask me a question in regards to an issue that is important to you.
freedom to do whatever you want as long as you dont infringe upon the rights of others..
James there is a lot in common with my thinking. The above is what is violated by leaving individuals to unrestricted practices all for the accumulation of wealth.
I'd willingly pay through my work effort for everything I need but I can't unless I become the same. We can't all be owners. We can't all take profits from the labors of others to fulfill our dreams. We can't all be robbers. The problem is that most people will not restrain themselves from harming others in the pursuit of individual wealth. As a topical example, money is made from the labors that produce oil. WE need oil today. We are harmed by decisions made in the name of accumulation and that accumulation harms us quite often.
I could probably afford my life better if: I we're not taxed so heavily, and not subjected to the profit rake. I'm more productive? Then I deserve the benefit of that, not a fatcat or a shareholder.
The difficulty lies in that the accumulators co-opt what threatens them. The only party that really matters is the shadow party of financiers and dynastic wealth.
RGM,
I agree 100%. The tea partiers would be paying higher taxes if the Obama Administration and congress was to impose a 10% flat tax on everyone. Also, American Corporations who outsourced American jobs should have to pay a very high tax in order to sell their products and services within the US.
kedbob
if you are still around and will read my response to your post let me know. I will then spend the time doing so
peace.
kedbob7 - Excellent post. I've never heard it said so well.
james:
"I truly believe if more americans were aware of the true stances of libertarianism they would embrace it.....how can you reject freedom????"
You may truly believe in the ideas you express, but unfortunately in my area the "tea party" has been hijacked just as the other parties have. It is populated by people who give lip service to these ideals one moment only to express an ultra-conservative "it's my way or else" rhetoric shot through with fear of anyone or anything that challenges their worldview the next. If the tea party truly stands for what you say, they need to get organized and boot out these rabid extremists. There is plenty of room for - and desperate need for - an alternative to the current status quo, but what I'm hearing from most of those who profess the loudest around here to be tea party members is NOT the alternative I'm looking for.
I had this discussion with a progressive friend of mine tonight. I asked him if the GOP of 5 years ago was the same as the teaparty GOP and he said not they were not in his eyes...he said there are many of the same things but they do have a libertarian viewpoint now.
ok with that I will run........If libertarians can infiltrate the GOP and influence it....so be it. No third party will ever come to pass as our system makes it impossible and unfortunately people are sheep....for both sides.
so the libertarians will have to do what Ron Paul has done and infiltrate and influence the republicans. He has had a MAJOR impact on that party. Now i am guarded on the whole republican party being a corrupt party and how much good really would it do.
I dont know...but just to see the ideology of freedom even being talked about gets me excited. all the dems and repubs have done forever it seems is make government more intrusive and larger. our rights are slowly being taken away. so when people rally behind a man like Ron Paul and the message starts to spread...even if its tainted a bit by neocons I am happy....because guess what....us libertarians who talk about it...which I do for about 2 hours a day will continue to talk the ear off of every republican and democrat we see to get our message out.
Hopefully someday the term neocon will no longer be used.
I hear that The Radical Party of America is gaining strength in opposition to the tea party and coffee movement. Check it out!
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Radical-Party-of-America/113590858673357?ref=ts
You know... this Obama mess has been going on and on and on, and with every new month, there seems to be another avenue that opens its doors heading us down another road leading America further away a the Democratic society and more towards a Socialistic way of life.
Conservative people are not insensitive about the needs of those less fortunate - we just don't believe it is right for us to work our asses off toward making a better life for our family than what we had - just to have the rewards from those sacrafices taken from us in the form of higher taxes - in order to distribute coverage and care for those who don't contribute at all to this society.
It really gets the message across when millions and millions of dollars are spent in order to generate support for a man or a party that is flaking out as far a popularity and support. That message is clear; it is more important for the survival of the party than it is for the survival of the citizens it supposedly represents.
I for one am sick of this - and would hope that those of us with some common sense left - will pull together during the next election and take away the Democratic majority - the Republican majority, and put some people in place who realize their job is to represent the citizens. We really don't care what you call yourself - just get this country back on track - and let's take control of our future.
It's not the President for goodness sakes Bush and his cronies in Washington got us into this mess do some reading and you'll get some answers to your questions! My senators and Representatives listen to me . If yours don't then vote differently in the next election and stop the whining! It will take years to get where we were before the recession. This isn't an hour show where problems are solved before the last commercial!
Do you really hate the lower taxes, that Obama implemented? Or do you want the GOP to raise them? Or the GOP to give those tax breaks to the rich??
Obama is the 'closer'. Like a 'consigliere'. Just an altar boy with fancy pants.
If you don't know what that means, then why should you be allowed to vote?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9pCQYsEOhI&feature=related
Thomas,
Conservative people are not insensitive about the needs of those less fortunate - we just don't believe it is right for us to work our asses off toward making a better life for our family than what we had - just to have the rewards from those sacrafices taken from us in the form of higher taxes - in order to distribute coverage and care for those who don't contribute at all to this society.
Yeah, the stars are so much more important than the ground upon which we stand.
If you are conservative, why do you need more? And where does your more come from? Your work you ass off comment denigrates every hard working but not especially talented or able person. If you are in business do you absorbs loss (like poor) or do you pass it on to your customers while you maintain or increase? Who does not contribute to this society?
The people who rake others for their own enlargement. The net of their actions is telling.
Thomas: Preach it!!!!!!!!!
the bottom line big business pays no income tax never has ,the working people pay the bill.It has come a time when the rich has to pay there share.example i have a freind that owns a truckin co. He says that he pays 36% taxes.i told no you don't and ask him who paid for that 40 ft motor home,his answer was the co leased it,that mercedes his wife drives,LEASED,that ski boat LEASED,and the list goes on. the man spends half his income on toys and after that pays on the other half taxes.these are called loopholes in the tax laws for the rich.They can tell you all day long they pay taxes they don't.this man i'm talking about is a small fish in a big sea.but it's a good illastration for you people to put your teeth in.big bussines does not pay taxes.......
Only a modern American reporter would say a guy who bought his house on the GI bill was a "pull himself up by his bootstraps" independent guy. It's the same frame of mind we see all through the teabagger movement - "keep your government hands off my Medicare!"
Obama LOWERED taxes for 95% of the population. I don't like the guy, but the teabaggers should LOVE him - he's Bush lite, except in reality more fiscally conservative.
Chris,
Please explain your quote to me: “Only a modern American reporter would say a guy who bought his house on the GI bill was a "pull himself up by his bootstraps" independent guy. It's the same frame of mind we see all through the teabagger movement - "keep your government hands off my Medicare!"
So a guy who joins the military, pays into a college fund, at the end of his military commitment, he uses his college fund and parleys the funds into some form of financial assistance for a home… is somehow not hard working and self sufficient, and demonstrative of independence?
-He asked no one for hand-outs, bail outs, grants, etc.
--He worked for the money and earned it.
--How can that not personify independence; He did not “ask” for it, He did not expect it as a “birthright” he worked for it and earned it…
Lowered Taxes for 95% are serious…. You must have a degree Obamanomics!
Career I wish I can vote for you more than one time per message on this board.
Christopher have you ever heard of HUD? They help people buy a house. Don't they guarantee home loans, You can apply for grants. Do you know what a grant is? It is usually free money. This is FREE FEDERAL MONEY. How about public housing... free or low cost housing,... FEDERAL MONEY AGAIN! but yet unlike most of the people getting grant money or public housing the miltary works for every dime that they make, they don't sit around and collect money for nothing or just for being on drugs and not wanting to get off of them and work. Now I don't mind helping others out when it is needed but not for the rest of their lives.
http://portal.hud.gov/portal/page/portal/HUD/i_want_to/apply_for_a_grant
Christopher Bingham. "Obama LOWERED taxes for 95% of the population."
Where are you getting this information? I know lots of people whose taxes went up rather dramatically.
chris you must be a repub the working people taxes were lowered thats 95% of the people.bush tax cuts has cost this country 3 trillion dollars in 10 years,boy if we had that, the debt wouldn;t be quit so high would it now.
I'm sorry, a "pull yourself up by hour bootstraps guy" who became successful after utilizing his benefits under the GI Bill?
GI Bill = Big Government and appears to have benefited this ex-GI Tea Party man.
Seems hypocritical.
So you now have a problem with military veterans that put there life on the line so you would be safe, using there earned benefits? That tells me a lot about your philosophy.
My hard earned taxpayer dollars should help people become hard working members of
society, after they leave the military.
Not hard working screamers of the tea party.
sorry to tell you this but tea members are well educated and have jobs...there are studies and articles on this. but keep up with the fearmongering.
In case you missed it, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines are hard-working members of society. You ever deploy as part of a training exercise or combat? Do you run two miles every morning and enjoy a 60-90 minute PT session before breakfast, then take care of your daily assignments?
Didn't think so.
And you probably missed this, too: servicemembers pay taxes, too. So the heinous burden doesn't fall entirely on your delicate little shoulders, if it eases your worries.
Amen Pist.
Va benefits are earned.
The Radical Party of America is going to challenge tea and coffee at the next elections All the groupies from the 60's are joining. See for yourself!
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Radical-Party-of-America/113590858673357?ref=ts
What? The radical party isn't in office now?? Could have fooled me. Black Panthers, admitted communists and anarchists, Weather Underground, Rev. Wright and his "God damn America" routine. Treasury Sec. who didn't pay his taxes, lobbyists in the cabinet and "czars" God knows how many of his "choices" were turned down after vetting found them hiring illegal aliens and not paying their taxes. Obama golfs while the Gulf of Mexico burns, bowing to foreign leaders such as the Saudi king, letting a foreign leader denigrate American citizens (Calderone), not enforcing federal law as he gave his oath to (add Pelosi, Reid, Menendez, etc to that), ramming health care down our throats even though the majority of Americans did not want it as written (and lawmakers didn't read it anyway) buying votes (Acorn, SEIU).
Bush sucked, but this guy hasn't a clue. I don't care what color you are, you are supposed to represent the American people, not illegal aliens, not foreign heads of state. Oh, yeah, the Nobel Prize for what??? He wasn't even in office yet when he was chosen.
I really hope I live to see all you left wingnuts regret ever electing this man.
I consider myself a Freethinker and a Free Thinker and am not given to joining groups. While I agree with SOME of the philosophies expressed by the Tea Party Movement and have absolutely no use for the warm-n-cuddly, politically-correct morons who have given Liberalism a very bad name, the idea of an idiot, like Sarah Palin being nominated…much less, actually winning the election for prezziDUNCE, frankly, scares the living hell out of me. She’s nothing but “W” in drag but even dumber…and more dangerous!
Tea Partiers: PLEASE find a better candidate to support! I’m as angry as you are about how the politicians have really screwed things up for the last 50+ years but electing a loser, like Palin, just to “get even” ISN’T the answer!!!
There you go ! That's right. If a Republican Party could come up with just one intelligent human being they could have a chance but where is she or he. Nothing I have seen or heard from! Maybe they are about to graduate somewhere!
wow rita
i am not a republican and for you to say that not one republican is intelligent just shows how brainwashed you are...
amazing.
Agree . teaparty people get a GREAT candidate!!!!
Rita I am a republican and wouldn't vote for Palin nor would my parents. We all know that she does not have what it takes yet (or may never) to run for president. The same was said about Obama but nobody listened. Now how is he working out for ya?
I respect Sarah Palin and I would love to have her as a friend but for a president no way no how. There is a conservative republican that is running in Florida. I don't remember his name but I mentioned him and my mother knew who he was. he is a black conservative republican from Florida, amazing isn't it? I watched him give a speech and he was amazing. If I could have I would have voted for him but alas i dont' live in Florida. But if he were ever t run he would have my vote in a hearbeat. Why because he knew what he was talking about. He was a retired officer from the Army. Two thumbs up for that. I just looked it up.. his name is Allen West. Bring him up on youtube, you will be bowled over too.
www.allenwestforcongress.com/
I just went to the site. If he was running for President he would definitely have my vote. I dare ya, I double dog dare ya.
Sorry my mistake, he was booted out just shy of his 20 years. But the reason for does not make me like him even less. Actually I like him alot more.
Cat, I totally agree. Palin is an embarrassment. When she opens her mouth, I cringe. She personifies everything that is human trash. Only in America anyone that is white trash receives any credibility.
Does she leave her bear skin cape at home with her muskets, crackers and sweet tater pones?
Thank God for all of the good work that God put Barack in the white house for. Thank you Barack Obama
being a libertarian I know many people...no one is happy with him except the sheep...progressives arent happy....religious right isnt happy and libertarians surely arent happy.
that would place you sir in the minority.
G-d Creates. Man Destroys. Barack is just Kharon's footman, waiting for US to cross over.
Don't you get it? There's plenty to go around for Mil.Gov, the Mercs and the Usurists, as
soon as they get rid of all the working Americans and disappear them into homelessness.
Come on! The fun is waiting! Don't think, spend those banking profits you Ponzi'd away!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M42IeuiaxIg&feature=related
"...with every new month, there seems to be another avenue that opens its doors heading us down another road leading America further away a the Democratic society and more towards a Socialistic way of life."
I submit that if you think Obama is a socialist, you wouldn't know one if he crawled up your ass and made you into sock puppet. Obama is corporatist tool - owned as thoroughly as George Bush - and if you think the Republicans are going to give anyone but Haliburton control of our futures you're ignoring the last 30 years.
The definition of 'socialism' is the Corporate-State, as epitomized by Hitler, and also by Stalin.
Therefore, Obama is definitely a 'socialist', in the same Bush-Cheney-Clinton-Gore modality.
They got theirs, and they're making sure they get it banked, before our $15 TRILLION default.
While you're getting fcuked by your new cell mate, Obama will be playing golf in the Hamptons.
Or didn't you get the memo? Ha,ha, you were probably watching SYTYCD and American Midol.
Socialism is a word. Jesus was a socialist. He stole from the rich pigs and gave to the poor. Jesus abhorred rich pigs. Robin Hood was a socialist, and he was a good guy too.
Merely words. What's capitalism? One individual's inherent, God-given right to kill the Earth and Holy Creation for a few pieces of silver.
Hitler, why, the good ole US of A genocided twice as many Native Americans as Hitler killed Jewish. Betcha didn't learn that in kindergarten, right? What's the baggers take on genocide.
Christopher - any teabagger elected to congress or senate will join the same club as Bush and Obama. After about 2 or 3 weeks of altruism, they will be owned by the system. Wall Street, Lockheed, Bank of America, and Haliburton run this nation - not Washington DC. Go ahead, elect all the teabaggers....nothing's going to change. What a joke these baggers are - a black man gets elected and suddenly they "get it?" Bush and the Republican Congress spent money like drunken sailors....but NOW it's a problem. What a farce. And Queen Sarah is right out there in front? She's got less brain power that a 40 watt bulb. Let her negotiate trade agreements with Brazil, Russia, India, and China - then sit back and see how far into the dark ages this country goes. It will make for wonderful entertainment. By the way - when is that lady in Nevada going to do a real interview? Whew - she's got mush for brains.
The teaparty movement is a bunch of radicals who want to take back there country one race at a time..and they seem to be doing a pretty good job of it..watch out in november..BIG CHANGES COMING
Lion...Sorry but these radicals are just one step removed from the KKK sheets and burning crosses.
They're white!!!!!!
They're old!!!!!!
they're republicans!!!!!!
they're rascists!!!!!!!!!
they're going down!!!!!!!!!
are you actually serious???????? and whoever voted for this falls for this type of fearmongering.....no substance......
amazing.
Truly amazing how you use name calling. You guys must be afraid, very afraid.
afraid of the intelligence shown here?????
libertarians are for freedom and individual rights....how can you be against that???
wow.
The TBr movement is legitimate and represents an existential crisis for the ruling elites with
their 'two-party' charade and once-every-two-years version of 'democracy'. Pick your poison!
So they immediately corraled the Tea Baggers into the 'R'-brand camp, that being in most
public disfavor, but then when that was played, they started throwing Palindromes at them,
and boxing them up as 'kooks' and 'racists'. If that doesn' t work, the elites will call out the
Xe goons, and there will be murders in November, detentions without lawyers, wire taps,....
We live in a fascist state, dude! Most Americans are too ignorant to even know what that is.
kokomo have you always had so much ''HATE'' for ''old'' people?? white people?? what happened was a white person rude or cruel towards you and now you hate all white people?? How about ''old people were your grandparents cruel???? I feel bad for you racism is like a disease you really need some help!!
herman
you arent that far off ....unfortunately.
Kokomo: White, Old, Republicans! WHO'S THE RACISTS HERE!!!!? NO INTELLIGENCE! All you Dems say hateful, hateful people!? Wow! I'm a Conservative and wow, Look in the mirror is all I can say! Save your breath James...they haven't looked at the primaries, apparently! On here, I don't think in will matter.
Gotta go with James. Herman is on it. But the die is cast. The antirevolution already occured.
Although they don't get it yet, the "Tea Party" is already over. They are about 200 years too late. But it was fun while it lasted!