Hold another beer summit?

If a "beer summit" would be what it takes to stop this idiot from burning those Korans, I say go for it.

That preacher, or whatever he is calling himself, is basking in the outrage right now. Nothing short of locking him up, either in a jail cell or white padded room, the latter being the most reasonable, is going to keep him from going through with this now. His pride to see this through, after all of his blustering, is going to take over any late blooming sense he might suddenly acquire.

It is time a line is drawn in the "sand". The whole teaching of Islam is to take over the world. Burn the koran and exercise your 1st Amendment right, and exercise your 2nd Amendment right, just in case you are attacked by extremist aka threats to freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVHb3TJm71c

Yes Obama can go to Florida to talk, the telepromter is ready to go. Also, he can call his Pastor in Chicago and they can all talk about hate, since they have so much of that in common...the Chickens have come home to roost! Note to President Obama, this freedom of speech on all sides is really tough. I do not agree with this nut job in Florida and I do not agree with all the protest against the US by illegal aliens but it is the price we pay for allowing free speech.

Obama says that America is based on freedom of religion and religious tolerance... Okay, I agree. I think what the pastor is doing is a bit stupid and archaic, but if that's what his religion has pushed him to do... then I guess I have to tolerate it. Much like how I'll tolerate the construction of a mosque and community center for Islam near Ground Zero.

Aside from the fact that this numbnuts doesn't even know how to spell (It's Quran or, less commonly Kuran and not KOran) I thought the greater good of the Nation/National Security trumps freedom of speech.

This guys assinine plan could be just the catalyst to prompt more treachery on American soil. Doesn't that make him a tool of the terrorists?

(Note, not all people of Islamic faith are terrorists just like all people who purport to be Christians represent true Christian faith and beliefs and conscience.) This guy, in particular, is about as far from Christian morals as ... well, as al-Qaida. He was 'pastor' of a church in Germany until they ran him out following accusations of money mis-management. How many other of the 7-Deadlies has this guy racked up?

I'm not generally a big fan of government interference but this guy is a threat to the security of the Nation and needs to be shut down before he starts WWIII.

This is the far right that wants to take control of us in Nov. The radical Christians are trying their best to start WW3 on many fronts. They have scared most Americans with their tactics and are no better than the Muslim terrorist.

We are our own worst enemy. So many Americans aren't any more enlightened about the world than if they lived in a cave in Afghanistan.

Are you that dumb! Really, take control of us, No sorry the facts are in your face and your just blind!

The president says burning the Koran will endanger the US troops in Afganistan?

Hey Mr. Obama, we're at WAR with Afganistan!

Naturally our troops are at danger. Why don't you understand that? Moreover, we are at war--a subtle un-declared war--with radical Islam, or at least, they are at war with us.

We, as Americans, think we are on a higher level as a country than any other country. Sure we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedoms of many different types...but do we have respect anymore? Should we disrespect them because they've done it to us? I thought we were better than that?! We SHOULD be better than that!! What is the Rev. trying to prove with this stunt anyway? All it's gonna do is create more hate & animosity towards us....as if we need to provoke them further!

How would Christians feel if a group burned The Bible? Not every Islamic/Muslim is an extremist & it's ridiculous to disrespect their faith because there are some who are nuts. There's extremists in Christianity too....but that doesn't make it ok for someone to disrespect it as a whole just because of the nutcases! Get a grip! Doing this makes us look no better than them...do we really want to be on their level?

For being 'thewordsmith', you should be careful where you throw your jabs in your posts. Koran is an accepted transliteration. Further, asinine still only has one 's' and the usage of 'guys' in your post requires an apostrophe. How numb are your nuts feeling now?

However, as much as I have hated what this 'pastor' in planning on doing, I could never feel justified to promote interference... until your post. There have been times when national security has trumped freedom of speech. I'm certain it's a trump card that an administration should be wary about playing, but it is definitely an excellent argument.

hey grunt...do you mean that if they don't burn the koran then islam will stop trying to kill us and will let the rest of the world live they way they want. Are you that afraid of islam that you believe nthey will come kill you if their holy book is burned. Do you really want to continue to submit to the will of islam. Does the religion of peace say to kill anyone that burns "the book". Is that the religion of peace that you understand. When in the name of Christ are you people going to stop submitting to a group of people that will kill you if you are not obedient to their will. Don't start with any crap about Christianity being equivalent to terrorism by islam. That is the cowards way out. You know it is safe to attack Christians and their beliefs. You know it is safe to burn the Bible. Have the guts to stand up to the religion of peace that will cut your head off if you refuse to follow them.

Obama's teeth must be a mess.... after all of the times he's put his feet in his mouth.

This is yet another example of a situation he should stay out of... who does he think he is, a community organizer?

The president condemns this mans right of free speech but uphold the NYC Mosque constitutional right to be built, can we say double standard. When will America quit appeasing Islam. When will we stand up for our own rights, our right to live in peace and without fear. There are Mosques being built all around me and yes I know they are not all bad but many are but I find myself pondering if I should buy a gun and Vest. People talk about Christians Killing Abortion doctors well I do not agree with that but at least the doctor can find a new line of work and take himself out of harms way. What can I do, If I convert to Islam then a different sect will kill me these people are crazy. When is the last time the Methodist and Baptist went to war.

Dear Lord, please protect me from your followers.

Hey "wordsmith"

Where in the Bible does it say to KILL anyone that doesn't follow Christianity?

I've seen radicals "misinterpret" the words of the Bible. In fact, it seems that's the allure for many.

Every religon wants to convert people.

You're right, I've never read the Koran. I've only seen certain exerpts in print.

Please explain to me how "kill the infidel" has been misinterpreted?

The "fringe" has all the firepower it needs right there in black and white.

At least with Christianity you have to "misinterpret" scripture to end up on the fringe.

Steve, maybe you should re-read your own post. These nutcases already don't like us because we have a different religion than they do (according to you), so what do you think burning their "holy book" will do to them? You don't think that will infuriate & provoke them further? Hmmmm, that's interesting.

I also didn't read anyone say anything about them leaving us alone or ceasing their attacks on us because we don't burn the Quran. And how again is Obama blaming America for Islam's problems?

It's obvious we can't change their barbaric way of life....we can't even change the barbaric way of life some "Christian" American's live!!

USA 1967, so because they do it we should too?! Ya, that'll show them...sheesh!!! 2 wrongs never make a right....or didn't you ever learn that? I can't believe the amt of ppl who are pissed (rightfully so) at what they've done to us, but yet you want to stoop to their level & do the same things? How does that even make sense to you?

This discussion is the very reason the pastor in Florida should not go ahead with burning the Qu'ran. Just the thought of it has started a dialogue of hateful comments to one another. Most of us are vocal people and will argue a point but the Taliban is more of a physical type of communicator. Just because you CAN do something in the US doesn't mean you should.

I think burning the Koran is ridiculous but that's up to them. Where was there outrage when Muslims burned Christians to death in Pakistan?http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/muslims_burn_6_christians_to_death_after_false_allegations/ So if someone burns their book of faith they will kill innocent people to protest it? If they don't burn the Koran Muslims will stop trying to kill us?

This is interesting too! US Military- Burning Bibles?

It's funny, the Obama bashers are out in force because he said it's wrong. He offered his opinion, so what? On the opposite end, the republican/ Teabagger "cheerleader" Palin did the same, is she wrong too?

Secondly, we are not at war with Islam, Period! We are chasing (and not very sucsessfully) about a few thousand terrorists that hate us. They just happen to be of the Islamic faith, it doesn't make them all terrorists, get a grip, the haters here in the states are turning this into a religious war.

Do the numbers, it's simple math. 1/3 of the world is christian, 1/3 islamic, 1/3 other faiths or non-faiths. The worlds population is 6.6 billion, that's 2.2 billion islamics. If they were all after us, we'd be gone. We're talking about a handful of lunatics here that don't like our way of life. Mathematically, it's less than .000001 % (OK, I made that figure up, but it's probably closer than the 1/2 or 50% the haters use) of the terrorist who are islamic. I'm sure we could come up with a handful of other faith lunatics in this world the same, does that mean we should wipe out thier beliefs too? And put them all in the same catagory?

Obviously this guy in Florida is a lunatic and ignorant of the world outside of his front door. I'm sure if I offered to burn a bible for every Koran her burned, I'd hear some protest in this country, and probably from him the worst. To me, both are just paper, made from trees with ink on them.

To radicals of any religion, they mean much more. That's where the hate starts, in each religion. Each saying thier god is better than the next. How childish....My dad can beat your dad up....neener neener neener! LOL

Dear Jim and Micro-mind,

I would have thought that even you two could understand this. I won't give you the history because you won't understand it and I laid all that out yesterday.

This is NOT conventional warfare fellas. That's why we lost in Viet Nam. We were still trying to fight WWII and guess what? It didn't work so we declared victory and left the Viet Namese to their fate.

This is a war for the street, the house, the village and each individual Afghan citizen. Insurgents don't line up in ranks and try to hold onto land and other traditional military assets. They hit and they run. They melt into the surrounding populace and "disappear" when we try to hit back which causes collateral damage and they use that to their advantage.

So, we move into an area and control the area, we drive up and down the streets, we hand out food, clothing, candy for the children and we slowly but surely convince the populace that we're not the bad guys, we are their friends and guess what happens? They start to tell us when the insurgents are the area and where they are hiding. They refuse to cooperate with the insurgents and pretty soon the terrorists have to move to another location because they can't "hide in plain sight" in that area any more.

That's an over-simplification of the basic plan but that's how it works. And it DOES work. That's how we put down the insurgency in Iraq. We moved in and we OWNED Falujah, then we rebuilt the water treatment plant, we got the electricity turned back on, we handed out food, fresh water, and talk to the children in the street. And guess what? Eventually one of these little kids tells us the insurgents have moved into Uncle Abdul's house and are terrorizing the family. So we go down to Abdul's place, do our very best to get the family to safety and KILL THE INSURGENTS. When you take away their cover and come down on them in force they LOSE EVERY TIME. But you can't do that if the local populace sees you as the bad guys. That's how it worked in Iraq and that's how it's working in Afghanistan.

Now, how cooperative do you think those folks are going to be if some nut job in Florida BURNS their holy books and spits in their faces? How friendly do you think they will be? How glad to see the big Islam Hating Foreign Devils move into their region? And how many of those young villagers are going to say, "Osama is right, they are the great Satan" and join up to blow themselves up at a roadblock on in the middle of a "meet and greet" patrol?

THAT'S the point.

The burning of Korans only demonstrates our religious intolerance and hate for Muslims in general. It hampers what we are trying to do in Afghanistan and puts US lives in even greater danger than they already are just by being in a war zone. This action by the nut in Florida is tantamount to taking the flak vests away from our troops and limiting the amount of ammunition they are given to one magazine each day. It increases their danger and to NO purpose.

Geez, I know I'm wasting my efforts here, you are never going to get it if you havn't already. You are probably some knee-jerk Neo-con who is supporting the Rev Nut because the Administration is opposed to his actions. But the President, the General, the AG, the freaking VATICAN are right. This nut in Florida needs to stand down before irreparable harm can be done. Aren't you Neo-Cons supposed to be PRO-MILITARY? Didn't Glenn Beck just hold a big rally in DC to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS? Hell, even Sarah Palin has come out against it and she doesn't have the sense that God gave a goose.

If REV JONES wants to burn Korans I believe we should pack him and his congregation up and ship them, lock, stock and Korans to Afghanistan and let them hold their little cook-out in the middle of Kabul and then explain to the Afghan people why they are doing it and see what the reaction from the common, everyday Afghan is and maybe, just MAYBE they, and YOU will understand the idiocy of their plan to burn the holy books of another faith.

Hey, since you support what they are doing why don't you go to Kabul with them? That'll show those terrorists you mean business. Your transport is waiting.

Clint, read up on Dueteronomy to see where the bible states to kill those that do not follow God.

If this guy had ever read the Quran, which he admittedly has not, he would know that there are a load of similarities between the two books. The Muslim religion is a peace loving religion. Most people want to site the "violence" in the Quran, without looking to the Bible to realize that there are comparatively almost as many instances of unadulterated violence contained therein. This guy is nothing but an ignorant man who is scared of something that he knows nothing about.

It may be true that not all muslims are terrorists, BUT before you defend Islam too much, you should understand how it works.

Islam tolerates NOTHING else but Islam itself. It tolerates NO other religions, NO other values, NO other freedoms or form of government but those accepted by Islam (Islamic theocracy).

Islam seeks long-term to dominate and control all the world, including America. Everywhere they go, they start out quietly, until their numbers grow to a substantial minority - then they begin DEMANDING changes that comply with Islam, and become violent, murderous thugs until they get it. As their numbers grow, they will dismantle the system of the host nation until it is utterly subdued. It doesn't MATTER whether you believe in it. THEY believe in it, thus it is their goal. Period.

Everyone of the limp-wristed, spineless American appeasers who just say "don't offend them" is granting THEM the freedom to take OUR freedoms away.

Is this the kind of life you want to leave your great-grandchildren?? They will curse your name!

As for reading the Koran: Just like the Bible you need to know the context that these statements were made. There are a lot of very war like statements in the Koran. These revelations came when the small group of Muslims were fighting for their lives, struggling to survive in a society dominated by warlords and thieves. That's just one example. The punishments for theft are harsh, but such punishments, barbaric as they were, were common in the time of the 7th century. Wanting to take over the world? I doubt that most of the Arabs who acceptable the Prophet Muhammad knew or understood that there was much of a world beyond the land of Arabia. There was no United States at the time. It is difficult for us in our times to understand that Islam had a great civilizing influence on our world. Within a century of this religion's founding they had spread, yes, oftentimes violently, because how things were done in the 7th and 8th century, to much of the known world. They became dedicated scholars, resurrecting the study of mathematics, science and certainly literature. The modern study of history came from Islam. I would hope that many of the Islamic extremists would learn this about their faith.

The "the wordsmith" might want to do more educating of oneself to have a better understanding of religions and the purposes of historical events. Talk about "spewing ignorance". Islam conquered territories, cities of Antioch, Alexandria, Carthage, Constantinople, and Jerusalem starting in 1095 , and has been reoccurring ever since, for the purpose of Muslim armies in their jihad to spread Islam worldwide. Muslims were barbaric in their treatment of Christians, plans were to massacre or behead all Christians ; Islam enforced economic and religious discrimination against those it controlled. Convert or be slaughtered was their rule of the land. Muslims are encouraged to use armed struggle for the general purpose of spreading the message of Islam. The Qur'an specifically says, "Fighting is a grave offense, but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque. . . ." Warfare is also justified for the purpose of purging a people from the bondage of idolatry or the association of anything with God. The Crusades were one of the few occasions when Christians took the offensive to regain the "occupied territories" of the Holy Land, also an act of cultural self-preservation.

It's funny, the Obama bashers are out in force because he said it's wrong. He offered his opinion, so what? On the opposite end, the republican/ Teabagger "cheerleader" Palin did the same, is she wrong too?

You just don't understand the word "hypocrisy", do you Mark?

You get your pants in a bunch when someone questions ANYTHING Obama says or does, but you're more than willing to pile on Palin for ANYTHING she does or says.

That tells me your opinion is driven by political rhetoric, and virtually worthless when discussing ...........well, ANYTHING!

In all honesty, he can burn the Quran, the Bible, the Star Wars books and any other piece of literature he doesn't like and call it religious expression or some other abstract term. We live in America, and I am - for better or worse - an American, which means that my fellow peers may practice and do things I completely disagree with... but if they aren't harming me or others, then I am going to mind my own damn business.

Burn a book, build a mosque, dance naked in a field of flowers, show violent movies on TV... I don't care, I have the ability to ignore it, walk away, turn it off, and/or move.

As for the claim that it'll fire up the terrorists to be more aggressive... I can't really say that this event is going to change their opinions of us or their actions. We haven't been making any progress on getting friendlier with them anyway. And if it was really that big of a deal... then why don't you go to the media and tell them to hide this story away like they've done countless other times.

Lie lie lie You OBVIOUSLY haven't read either...."Say to them oh Muhammad, I do not worship that which you worship, nor do u worship that which I worship, I SHALL not worship that which will u worship that which u worship nor will u worship that which I worship. To you be your religion and to me be my religion"-Quran...

It is time a line is drawn in the "sand". The whole teaching of Islam is to take over the world. Burn the koran and exercise your 1st Amendment right, and exercise your 2nd Amendment right, just in case you are attacked by extremist aka threats to freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVHb3TJm71c

If this man's objective was to gain the world's attention, he has already achieved it just by the amount of media coverage he has received. Look at the attention he has gotten in this country from the President on down, and even the Vatican has objected to his plans. This is to say nothing of the protests in the Muslim world, in Afghanistan and Indonesia and elsewhere. Any actual burning of these Qurans, if it takes place, by way of contrast would almost be anticlimactic!

Islam is about 500 years younger that Christianity Jim lets go back 500 years and see what our christian friends were up to--It was safe to burn bibles back then and speak out against the church---oh wait no it wasn't--- ever hear of the Inquisition.

And ClintHorace misinterpret the bible eh? How do you misinterpret:

21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. 21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. or 21: ¹⁵ "Anyone who attacks ^[a] his father or his mother must be put to death. 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

so a kid who curses at his parents shall be put to death? Interpret that for me Clint. There's lots more in the bible but I'm sure your gonna say --Well that's the Old Testament and we don't follow that anymore--(which tosses those commandments out the window eh). So do you think there could be parts of the Koran that Muslims don't follow to the letter? or do only Christians get to pick and choose from their holy book?

I do not see the problem. A crazy man wants to burn a book that is special to a few million crazy people. And by the way suspending freedom for national security is not OK. Ask the thousands of Japanese we sent to internment camps during world war two. It took 30 years but the government cut them a check. Back to point, why as a society should we ever, ever worry about making crazy people mad. Zombie Jews, riding horses to heaven, if any one told you this stuff now you would tell them what they are but because a few million people believe the bs and it is in an old book, which we must not burn, it is given credit. This whole debate is laughable. THIS IS A DEBATE OVER COMBUSTING PAPER AND INK.

This discussion is the very reason the pastor in Florida should not go ahead with burning the Qu'ran. Just the thought of it has started a dialogue of hateful comments to one another. Most of us are vocal people and will argue a point but the Taliban is more of a physical type of communicator.

I see, so that means just let them have what they want. Don't insult them. If they fly planes into our buildings, that's O.K. If they burn churches (and people inside) that's O.K. If they want to turn the U.S. into an Islamic theocracy (no more constitution or WESTERN freedoms), that's O.K. If they want to stone your wife to death for showing her wrist in public, that's O.K. Just don't INSULT THEM. They may get violent!

America has become a weak-kneed, spineless bunch of limp-wristed panzies. If Americans won't fight back against aggressors, maybe they deserve to lose this land.

MikeinNY

I'm having trouble finding "Dueteronomy".

Ya think you could post the passage that says to kill people who don't follow Christianity?

Today on the same MSNBC page we have this story telling us that burning the book a man wrote, men print, and intolerants follow will stir up the extremists. There is also a story of the Imam who tells us that if we force the movement of the proposed mosque it will stir up the extremist. Both of which will endanger our troops.

Anyone else see a pattern here?

Both of these acts are Constitutionally protected and should not be swayed by what intolerant cult followers from a backwater country have to say. When a person becomes a soldier, President, Attorney General, they take an oath to uphold the Constitution. Not capitulate to some kooks because it offends them.

It is time to rethink the peacefulness of the Islamic faith. Intolerance is unacceptable. The books which will be burned is not their "holy book". They are being acquired mostly by people donating them freely and belong to the church. They can do with them what they may. The same goes for the property in New York. Both are examples of insensitivity to fellow humans but of an opposite nature.

If Petraeus is so feareful for the lives of our soldiers because we offend the sensibilities of "extremist" then he should convince Obama to do one of two things. Develop a more agressive strategy that will decimate the Taliban much more quickly or get the hell out. The soldiers are already in harm's way. All I've heard from the "moderates" is how burning books will get "Americans killed wherever they are in the world" but no condemnation of those who would supposedly do the killing. Do all Americans bear a responsibility for the actions of fifty people and deserve to be threatened with death? Of course not. What we deserve is a govt willing to speak out and condemn the intolerant who would threaten us.

You people don't get it. As I am what you would call a fundamentalist christian, this stunt is not about God or the Bible. Just look at the signs in front of the church. This is about this guy getting publicity. As long as the medai covers this, he will go ahead with this stunt. Just ignor him and he goes away. The Bible tells us without compromising God's law and commandments, we should live PEACEABLY with all men. To overtly attack these people is wrong.

Why is it that we seem to walk on eggshells when it comes to Muslims? So what if this pastor wants to burn some Qurans! Let him, it is his right to do so. The argument that he will instigate more violence with such actions holds no water. You ought to be smart enough to know that whether he burns the books or not, Al Qaeda and other radical groups will continue to recruit at will. It's not as if the war in Afghanistan will come to a peace-loving end if this man doesn't burn the books. If 'moderate' Muslims are enticed to side with the radicals because of this pastor's actions then they were not really moderate to begin with. Tolerance should work both ways, NOT just from us non-Muslims toward those of the Muslim faith.

I guess you all already forgot about the 8 missionaries (Christians) who were brutally and cowardly murdered by the Taliban for the simple fact they were there trying to help people. I guess you forgot about the cheers THROUGHOUT the Muslim world when the World Trade Center towers collapsed. Well, I certainly have not forgotten so I say to this pastor, it is your right to express your feelings in this way if that is what you choose.

Here are some quotes you might want to reflect on when we consider tolerance:

"When you find peace within yourself, you become the kind of person who can live at peace with others." (Peace Pilgrim)

"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it doesn't exist." (Friedrich Nietzsche)

"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there." (Jalal ad-Din Rumi)

When you have to go back 500 years or longer to find a parallel in Christianity to the violence being perpetrated by radical Islamics now, you need to understand how weak your argument is.

By the standards of the day, the actions of the medieval Christians were pretty much par for the course.

In the intervening 500-600 years, the western world has evolved and such behavior is no longer even remotely acceptable - it hasn't been for centuries. Yes, Islam is on parity chronologically with Christianity when the Christians were perpetrating their massive violence.

The difference being, that the vast majority of the 6 billion people that AREN'T Muslims, and the 6.9 billion people who are NOT radical Muslims find the radical Muslim behavior unacceptable, and yet are being held hostage to it - in an age where we know three minutes after it happened that yet another radical has killed more innocent people.

UMMM

Interpret it? I don't even understand it!

Is that what the Koran does? Or is it a little more "cut and dried" in the Koran?

This guy is after nothing more than his 15 minutes of fame. I thought that Christianity was about being peaceful and not full of hate. What he is doing is lowering himself to the terrorist level with his hate filled heart. What he needs to do is practice what he preaches instead of feeling hate for a whole people because of a few. He is nothing more than a hypocrite.

Thewordsmith, I agree. I've lived with up to 3 people at a time from Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, for the past year. I know more than the average American about Islam and it's teachings. All I can do is smirk in the face of ignorance when posters say what Islam is. It makes me wonder where they get their facts from. I'm sure it's from other posters or friends that know not even a Muslim, let alone what Islam is.

This "pastor" is a fool to think that this stunt is a fight against terrorism. Desecrating a religion is not comparable to building a community center either for those of you making that comparison. All it will get is someone like the abortion Dr. killer to whack this guy and a national uproar will follow. I wish people understood that not every Muslim thinks like extremist and terrorist. You guys act like they do.

Stand up to islam. It's just a book. These bastards do not have a moderate side, they ALL long for a Sharia world. They will Never give up.

Lets see now, it is within Rauf's constitutional right to build his mosque at the ground zero site although many Americans find it improper, yet it is also in that preacher's constitutional right to burn the koran even though some might find that improper. Notice the similarities?

Now Rauf is threatening "the wrath of islam if the WTC mosque location is moved", and the Koran burning will cause the islamic jihaddists to go into a violent hissy fit. What next? What will be the next thing that we have to cater to for the people who killed thousands on 911?

The fact that our president is yielding to these people is disgraceful.

Why is the President AND media so afraid of offending those that follow Islam? If their hearts were really for the protection of our fighting men and women I could understand his comments, but this particular President has only been a hypocrite looking out for his interests not for others. His credibility is laughable which is why it makes a lot of folks wonder what's going on here.

When will this President or someone (please) in our government stand up for our way of life, stand up for our country, condemn those that are barbaric and offend our sensibilities?

If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. What do you stand for?

The Supreme Court can revoke this idiots right under the First Amendment if the excercising of his right "incites violence".... which obviously this will, per genuine threats to soldiers and Americans here and around the world...why isn't our government taking a stand on this and protecting us from these "religious" fanatic morons? This should be seen as an act of terrorism as it is meant to escalate tensions and force conflict.

Johnycake - We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with terrorists.

ClintHorace:

The phrase "kill the infidel" is a common misinterpretation of a longer quote (from chapter 9, verse 5) that refers to a specific historical incident during the time when the Muslims (under the leadership of the Prophet) captured Mecca (without any bloodshed).

The actual quote is:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

The Quran is similar to the Bible, in that parts of it must be understood in the historical context in which it was written. Chapter 9 of the Quran is an historical account of the events following the peaceful capture of Mecca, and includes strategies for dealing with the many non-Muslims who lived in the Arabian Peninsula at the time, many of whom were bent on destroying the Muslims and did not honor their treaties with them.

As with any religion (Christianity included), extremists and opportunists often take the scriptures out of context in order to control the less educated.

"EARTH TO OBAMA" Yes we are definately at war in Afghanistan, and you said the fighting was over! Burning a book is not the problem, tell those idiots the sun will rise in the East tommorrow and they are ready for JIhad! However the pictures this week of our guys with rifles in hand guarding the so called muslim friends of ours as they celebrate "RAMADAN" says otherwise! Apparently the Taliban doesn't celebrate "RAMADAN"! Good pictures of them cooking their goat meat on hubcaps beside the roadway while they are to be fasting for Allah, "HUH?"

"Only in America, Land Of The Free .... " and the ignorant?

In this case a Ignorant Christian Fundamentalist Preacher basking in the glory of publicity that he has created for his own aggrandizement ?

It's not hard to be "Ignorant" ................ look around you ... "Ignorance Is Bliss!"

Jim-736496,

I agree with you. I think that this pastor is a jerkwad, but at the same time if we stop him from burning those books then we may as well admit that we're going to submit to islamic religious law.. I'd like to know just why we're all treating islam and muslims with such soft kid gloves- afraid to mention it's bad points and evils out loud for fear of hurting or offending someone somewhere in the world. All along these same people who would be "offended" are the ones who burned our flag and celebrated in the streets when their religious compatriots managed to mass murder 3,000 people. I remember that day, 9-11, with the news showing muslims from around the world celebrating. Since then everyone has bent over backwards in an attempt to not insult or criticize them or their cult. Jews find it offensive for people to speak the name of their god, Yahweh (YHWH), aloud. Yet it is often done on television on places like the History Channel. Yet we are afraid to represent Mohammed even in a cartoon because of their 'religion' and because it might "offend" someone. Lets face it, many islamists act like savages ( I know, most islamists are peaceful...) when we disregard their Sharia law, even though we aren't muslim and don't want to be. Like idiots, we have been enforcing their Sharia law on ourselves FOR these extremists and terrorists. We need to decide whether we are going to live by American values or if we are going to let this 'small group of extremists' dictate our way of life, media policies, and social, political and religious life from the outside and under an ever present threat of violence if we don't comply. Appeasement has been tried as a solution in a problem involving another international bully. If you recall, by not stopping that bully at the beginning of his actions we ended up with more than 50 million dead worldwide. Appeasing people like that is an act that only ends up delaying whatever harm they intend to do you until they can find a new excuse.

The best way to handle this pinhead in a pulpit is to let him burn Qurans to his narrow minded content but give him NO PUBLICITY WHATSOEVER. There is nothing that says we need to give this biblical bonehead more than a passing glance as he exercises his free speech. To give him attention is to fan the flames of intolerance on purpose as their can be NO OTHER OUTCOME other than to rile people up. The press will be totally responsible for anything that happens if they give him national and international coverage. His Quran burning party will mean nothing unless attention is paid to it, so just ignore this anal orifice. Also, this guy is obviously manipulating the press. Are they soo lame that they won't recognize and will tolerate being USED like this?

Mark: This is probably the one time I have to agree with Obama. He has every right to condemn what this nutty pastor is planning on doing. So does Sarah Palin. So does Hillary Clinton. This man and his "plan" are definitely a menace to the safety of our country and people.

And I agree with you totally in that not all Muslims are radical terrorists. Not all Christians are judgmental, hateful people. I don't THINK the USA has ever tried to wholesalely convert Muslims. For the most part, it's been the other way around. They have actively recruited people to blow themselves up, kill in the name of their jihadist mindset. But that's just SOME, not all.

In his more typical blah, blah, blah...Any other discussion re economy, jobs, etc. in that interview, he was his usual BLAME BUSH. BLAME REPUBLICANS. He was so hell bent on getting that albatross of HRC shoved down our throats, that he made that his priority, then bailed out, and took over by the way, the auto industry, bailed out the banks, when there were more urgent matters that should have been dealt with first. Neither of those expensive bail-outs created jobs, or even saved a huge amount of jobs. He was simply keeping those balls in the air and focusing on HCR. Borrow..spend, borrow..spend. All it got us was the largest deficit EVER. Oh yeah...and speech, after speech, after speech, after speech. Never stopped campaigning. Trying to keep his Dems. employed in DC. That's another (primary/secondary?) reason why he didn't focus on jobs, etc.

He's putting our soldiers at risk the government ward him. God wouldn’t put people’s lives at risk and I really believe God would respect other people religion after all we are all different people from different parts of the world. We look different sound different and yes even pray to different gods. This man is full of **** he says I don’t care if you want to practice your religious beliefs but we won’t accept your government and law. NO kidding weirdo they couldn’t practice their government or laws if there in America because America already has a government and laws. He makes no sense and is really ******* me off. My brother is over seas has due home in 4 months they don’t need this **** right now. If he were a true man of god he’d show some respect. You don’t see them burning the bible just the flag and they’re in their country so I don’t care. Back off you stupid hick

@Hardworkinwoman.

My point being, it doesn't matter if this clown of a pastor burns their "holy book" or not, their violence will continue until we are either conforming to their way of life or we are erradicated.

None of which willl happen, so the holy-war will continue into eternity.

People who actually believe you can make peace with a religious fanatic, is very naive if not stupid.

Big Shorty

THAT'S the passage people have been "misinterpreting" all these years?

How does that translate into "kill the infidels"?

Someone sent me a copy of Sharia Law recently.....

It wasn't NEARLY as vague.

The bottom line is: ANY scripture can be "misinterpreted". It just seems, from what I know of it, the Koran spells it out a little more clearly.

I am against burning books of any kind, it is a bad form of intolerance. On the other hand, I am also against appeasement. The religious threats against people, should not be tolerated, regardless of the religion.

For Mark in 1.25, here is a mathematical analysis you might find interesting. It includes a very thoughtful and informative discussion of who the Islamic terrorists are and why they are a threat that is not going away.

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/65537

Well I guess Muslims won't be cheering this 9-11 as they have been for 9 years.

In God We Trust

First off, would everybody please pay attention to everything skip Nicholson, Oklahoma City has to say. My God here's a guy who knows what he's talking about!! Unlike most of us who are just blowviating!!!Second, To all the people saying he has a right to burn these books, but we should keep the media from covering the act: rights in conflict always present a problem. The media has a right to cover this just as strongly as this traitor's right to burn these books.

Me, Im praying for the biggest mf-ing rain storm to hit just as these idiots are lighting the match.

Burning the Koran is definitely in the realm of the moron, so since I don't want to feel left out of being stupid, I think I'll hold a bible burning session that day as well.

I mean, it is my right to disrespect whatever religion I want, even if it means endangering others. So let's have it! Who is with me?!

Merlin hits the nail o nthe head here:

if we stop him from burning those books then we may as well admit that we're going to submit to islamic religious law

This pastor is screaming at the top of his lungs that he is not beholden to Islamic law or customs, and he can make it known by burning an object.

There's a bigger story - the real reason why much of the left favors a restriction of free speech rather than upset the Muslims.

Rest assured, the reaction by some of the Muslims won't be pretty (like Theo van Gogh found out when he made Submission).

America will get to see first hand what happens when you dare go against Islam, the religion of peace.

Procrustes-797831 Comment collapsed by the community

Dear Lord, please protect me from your followers.

We all need protection from these religious nutz. we really need to put rules on all church and religions. For starters, one church for every 50 miles radius. Where I live we have 5 of these gawd-awful places in our community and they are eyesores, and a nuisance.

All church and religions need to be taxed just like everyone else. They need to stop harassing the people, and using God, the Bible and their Religion to harass, bash and teach hate to their congregations.

Down with Religion! It's a farce that only wants your money. Wake up people, they now have drive-thru prayers where you can swipe a Credit Card or ATM and say a prayer. What a bunch of BS, and this only goes to show and prove, it's all about conning the people out of their monies, and it needs to be stopped!

Tax all Church and Religions:

We are not at war with Islam. We are not at war with Afghanistan; we're trying to help them. We are engaged, as is much of the world, in a struggle between tolerance and cooperation on the one hand, and extremism, intolerance, persecution, and supremacism on the other. Few places, if any, are free of intolerance, but there are degrees. Nowhere are the forces of persecution and intolerance more pronounced than in the Muslim world, which is not to say that all Muslims are bad or all non-Muslims are good.

At its most extreme, this intolerance takes the form of bin Laden and his ilk, but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations dedicated to violent persecution of others in the name of Islam. At a more common, and less extreme, level, there are sentiments, such as this one reported by Pew Research a few years back, that in 'moderate' Indonesia, 10% of Muslims think the appropriate response to a Muslim converting to Christianity (or Buddhism for that matter) is to have the convert murdered. Not exactly tolerant, not exactly moderate, and not paralleled by any other religion in modern times, though the murder of Christians has been going on for 2,000 years and continues unabated. Still, that means that 180 million Indonesian Muslims do NOT feel that changing religion away from Islam should be punishable by death. It is factually incorrect and morally wrong to attribute prejudice, intolerance, and terrorism to all Muslims or to Islam itself. Nor is it correct to say that these same forces are present to the same degree or at the same level in other communities. They are present (just read the Newsvine posts about African Americans, Mexicans, immigrants, Muslims, etc., including many of the posts above), but they are not as pronounced. (They ARE just as repugnant, though, and both given the level of education in American and the cultural and historical context of our great nation, such feelings are perhaps less understandable here than anywhere else in the world.)

In the struggle between tolerance and intolerance, what is the best way to counteract extremist views and gain equal rights for Christians and others in Muslim countries? What is the best way to end the terrorist approach preached by al Qaeda, Jemaa Islamiya, and so many other organizations? Is it to burn the Quran, considered the Holy Book of 1.2 billion Muslims around the world? Is it to say that, although we believe in free enterprise and freedom of religion, that does not apply to Islam or properties owned by Muslims? Should we follow Sharia law in setting higher tax rates on those who do not share our religion? Should we burn the houses of worship of those who do not share our religion, as is done by so many extremist groups in the name of Islam?

Or should we embrace the vast majority of our Muslim brothers and sisters, who feel as we do? Should we show ourselves to be different from, or the same as, the extremists we so rightfully decry? The choice is simple, especially for those who profess to be Christian.

Procrustes-797831

Dear Lord, please protect me from your followers.

Dear Lord, please protect Procrustes from himself/herself. Lord show us your way.

Sorry grunt but Sarah Palin and Pat Robertson have denounced this Quran BBQ ,so nice try, but you need a rewrite on every thing is the Republicans' fault !!

I'm not generally a big fan of government interference but this guy is a threat to the security of the Nation and needs to be shut down before he starts WWIII.

If burning a few fictional books starts WWIII, I say bring it on! Good grief people, are we going to cower any and every time someone insults islam/muzlims? What this church is doing is a bit ignorant but they have a right to do it. Just as muzlims all over the world have the right to burn the US flag, build their mosques next to ground zero, etc.

I don't know why so many comments are being collapsed by the community considering they don't really seem to be offensive, but whatever....

As for my opinion which will probably be collapsed because freedom of speech seems to end on this thread. The government has full right to arrest this man and his followers for inciting violence against American troops and citizens. The 1st Amendment does protect everyone to practice their religion and freedom of speech, however there are limits to that. When "religious" practices work against public policy and the public welfare, the government can act on it. This is denfanitely one of these times. As well,when words or actions are likely to incite violence the government has a right to step in. I don't understand why the government is not acting on this more than asking the man to stop. The media coverage alone on this is inciting violence. Of course, if the government does step in we will get the ones who think the first amendment is freedom to do whatever you want, whining about how there is too much government.

In this scenario no one is winning but the terrorists.

If the Mosque is being forced upon Americans at Ground Zero, then this Pastor has every right to express his Religious Freedom.

How can anyone predict what will happen with Terrorist groups, if this act should happen. The Terrorists are pretty severe in their murderous rampage already.

All those who think this will rattle the cages of Al-Qaida are fools. They out out to destroy the Western World anyway. They've done a pretty good job.

Now it's time for Americans to react to these groups. No one else has done it, including our soft peddling Government.

grunt-1263073
This is the far right that wants to take control of us in Nov.

No it isn't! Even Fox News and right wing talk radio dont' agree with this guy. It's 50 people in one area.

This is the difference between the left & right. Someone on the right does something and it's "OMG this is what they all do!". Someone on the left straps bombs on his chest and takes hostages and the right doesn't claim it's what you think. Someone on the left takes a boat and rams a boat full of fishermen or drives spikes into trees for loggers to get mamed or killed with and we don't say that's what you all think. You're making the right become the intellectuals every time you say things like that and driving undecided voters away from the loons making claims like this.

PragmaticToAFault

Obama has not shut up for days, has he.

And now he wants to capitulate - again - to bullies by asking this lunatic pastor to abdicate his 1st Amendment rights. Wasn't that the SAME amendment used to justify the mosque, that millions of Americans find offensive?

Why is religious tolerance ONLY directed toward Muslims? Why is what Muslims find offensive of the utmost importance, but what Americans find offensive irrelevant?

Because they blow people up.

Why are a fraction of a fraction of the world's population holding the rest of the globe, and more specifically this country hostage.

Because they blow people up.

So here's the message Obama is sending: Terrorism works.

BINGO!.... DING! DING! DING! DING!

Mixed with this kind of media attention, they will walk right over us.

Friends:

This entire thing is ridiculous, but as a matter of course, in order to have a "Bonfire of the Insanities", this nut-job, self-righteous, "true believer" will need to get a burn permit from the local Fire Department. Hopefully, they have a little better control over their emotions on this than everyone else.

By the way, in order for an Islamic Center to be built in New York City, it must get a building permit, which in NYC includes approval by both FDNY and NYPD before starting construction, so I would not worry about that little bit of stupidity either.

Good Luck!

I'm totally against book burning of any kind, but hasn't this nut-job pastor received enough attention by now? Apparently, he relishes the attention. The more that he gets, the more determined he is to play the fool. If Muslims are secure in their faith, why should they be bothered by what the pastor of a 50-member congregation does? Furthermore, why should the President of the US express fear about Muslim terrorists? What he should do is to act so that they will not succeed within our own borders as they have in the past.

Hey....Stop with all the collapsing....just cause you agree or disagree with someone either praising Obama or totally against him, you're for the book burning or against it.....unless it's a comment in complete violation of this code of honor thing.....people have the right to express their opinions....and stop calling each other names...

When we say separation of Church and State, should that not be enforceable in situations like this? If churches demonstrate politically, should they not cease to have "church status", thereby owing taxes like all the rest of us. Huh?

When we say separation of Church and State, should that not be enforceable in situations like this? If churches demonstrate politically, should they not cease to have "church status", thereby owing taxes like all the rest of us. Huh?

I fail to see how one church burning another churches books, constitutes an involvement in government that would cross the separation of church and state line..

The impact of burning the Koran will not be as significant as Obama bowing to the Saudi's and apologizing to muslim countries for America defending against wacky islamists.

John Toradze

#1.86 - Thu Sep 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT

WOW, can you say plagurism? post REPORTED...

www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm

With every religion comes war, death and destruction. Religious Wars!

We just need to ban religion altogether because it is nothing but a bunch of hogwash nonsense. All these people have done was brainwashed people into believing in some imaginary God and Heaven that does not, and never existed.

Church and Religion today is pure EVIL!

Tax all Church and Religions:

commonsense,

I agree with you that "there are hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations dedicated to violent persecution of others in the name of Islam."

Given your statement, it is pretty easy to see why the Pastor's frustration with Islam is being expressed against the book which is the basis for the persecution you mention. Is it the best way to express his frustration? You and I don't think so. Apparently he does, and it is his constitutional right to express that frustration in a legal fashion. He is doing that.

It is important to note that the laws that protect the Islamic faith in our country are the same ones that protect the faith of this Pastor. When Islamic followers blew up the Twin Towers, our laws protected peaceful followers of Islam. When this Pastor burns books on Saturday, those same laws need to be applied to his faith.

Is he disrecting the Islam faith for their violence and persecution you mention? Yes.

Is he doing it peacefully? Yes

Is the world afraid that those of the Islamic faith will react violently? Yes

Is that the point he is trying to make? Perhaps.

Blaming this somewhat misguided pastor for any acts of Islamist terror carried out after he exercises his protected right to burn Korans is no different from blaming a short-skirted woman for having been raped.

The push to stop this guy is pure moral cowardice on the part of our leaders.

US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/09/us-soldiers-afghan-civilians-fingers

So did these folks also have a constitutional right to do what they did?

Obama's agenda peeks through when he allows his bias to cloud his interpretation. This becomes tangible when he tries to trot out the exact same argument he claimed was invalid regarding the Ground Zero mosque to denounce this nutty preacher. Of course he said in his book he'd do precisely this, come down on the side of Islam regardless of popular American opinion, so we shouldn't be surprised.

Only nutcases agree with what this reverend says he's going to do. Most Americans respect the symbology of the Koran and don't want to see it burned any more than they want to see the American flag burned. But Obama asked for this when he wrapped that mosque in the 1st Amendment and told us we had to accept it, even if we didn't like it, because this kind of expression is protected by the Constitution. Which is correct, however distasteful. But it also applies to the BBQ reverend. So now Obama's foot is in his mouth, once again.

This man sure has quite a taste for his own toe jam.

Pastor Jones is an ignoramus. He's a paranoid fool. His proposed action reeks of Germany in the 1930's, or I might say it is reminiscent of some of the actions of his white-robed brethren in the deep South of the same time period. His actions will most certainly cause retaliation by the fanatical fringe of Islam against innocent parties and American soldiers. But some people have commented, including members of the Supreme Court, that national security can at times trump the First Amendment, and here I draw the line. There is never a case when national security will trump the right of any American to speak his mind, however reprehensible I find his words. To say otherwise, especially when we are embroiled in bogus "wars" such as we are now against an ephemeral enemy called "Al-Qaida," or even vaguer, "Terrorism," is to give in to the erosion of our basic freedoms. "Just protect us! We don't want freedom, we want security!" Again, Germany in the 1930's. Don't give the government the power to define what is and isn't acceptable, or to censure anyone in the name of National Security. The true war at this stage in American history is the war to defend the Constitution against those who are supposed to be defending it but are slowly but surely undermining every part of it.

dogstar-

Excellent observation, and well put. This is indeed the most important battle of our time.

We must continue to practice our rights here in America. If we don't then the enemy has already won and our soldiers are fighting and dying for nothing.

Here's a prediction for you... this nutjob will proceed to milk every ounce of publicity he can from this, and then at the last second, he'll receive a "message from god" telling him to do what Jesus would do, which is turn the other cheek, love his enemies, and forgive those who trespass against him. Anything else is anti-christian.

I have never been scared of a war on our own soil. Our military is the strongest in the world and no fool really wants to go up against that. We have managed to keep many countries at bay over the years with our military strength. Even when the terrorists struck on 9/11, they had to use our resources to attack us here. Paranoid, I am not and I don't buy into all the propaganda that the GOP is pushing. But this stunt of Rev Jone's really scares me and makes me affraid of random Christian killings by those that are fed up and want nothing more than their constitutional rights. Get a grip, mister. You're about to be responsible for a lot of deaths!

Only Factsmatter.....Clearly thought out and well written....Without all the hype and drama that has taken over this debate...Good Post

Isn't this a hate crime, can't you be arrested for this

At least this pastor will not be sawing some Muslim's head off with a sword on 9/11 to make his point. This is a common practice for Islamic radicals in the Middle East and elsewhere in order for them to make their point. Guess who's head would be on the line over there? Any infidel, which means you or me.

Might as well, rightvswrong.

These types of acts should be strongly condemned and shouldn’t be encouraged at all, this man is a typical extremist and he seems strongly delusional as well, he probably has build his life on hate and is misleading others. Isn’t it strange he calls himself a man of religion and still he wants to burn books of other religions shame on him and all of those who think he is doing the rite thing

April-2036368...You wrote" But this stunt of Rev Jone's really scares me and makes me afraid of random Christian killings by those that are fed up and want nothing more than their constitutional rights. Get a grip, mister. You're about to be responsible for a lot of deaths!"

What does that even mean ??..."Random Christian killings" Who is fed up ?? Whose Constitutional Rights are being trampled and how ??....Isn't the actual person committing murder responsible for that murder ??...Please explain...

“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”

We should all pray to Mecca as Fear has taken over our souls, America is in ruine today.

Jihad has achived "Death of America"

Entire US Administration, and Political parties and Media have surrendered to the Terrorist Thugs.

Feel ashamed to be American Today.

Although I disagree with the Pastor, I feel shame for the statements coming out of Whitehouse and even the Republicans on the Right.

Stop the Burning if it is worng but do not try to cowrd down in fear.

The constitutional rights we promised them when they became American citizens. The same rights that you enjoy as a citizen. Freedom to practice religion and free speech without fear of condemnation. I'm sure you would be angry if someone was threatening to take your rights away from you. Those rights are not only to protect Christians, but to protect everyone that is a citizen of our country. Like it or LEAVE IT!

Said Obama: "Look, this is a recruitment bonanza for Al Qaida. You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan." The president also said Jones' plan, if carried out, could serve as an incentive for terrorist-minded individuals "to blow themselves up" to kill others.

So, Mr. Obama.....What are you going to say, or do, about the NYC Mosque backer who said something similiar to: "If we don't build the Mosque at it's present site, then this will infuriate the Muslim World and consequences will happen." ????

Oh, so no response to this guy's remarks ?? Strange...FBI questions the Pastor but yet does nothing to the Mosque backer.

Guess this Mosque backer will get a DO NOT GO TO JAIL FREE PASS, huh ???

chikee......."These types of acts should be strongly condemned and shouldn’t be encouraged at all, this man is a typical extremist and he seems strongly delusional as well, he probably has build his life on hate and is misleading others."

Strange, your comments fit some, or make that most, of our ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES to a tee, and that includes "The Man".

Oh, this is about a Pastor whose mindset is extremely annoying. Guess he needs media attention to get an increase in his congregational members.

April-2036368 ....I'm sure you would be angry if someone was threatening to take your rights away from you. Those rights are not only to protect Christians, but to protect everyone that is a citizen of our country. Like it or LEAVE IT!

Who is taking away the constitutional rights of muslims? They are doing exactly as they please regardless of what any Americans think.

Islam tolerates NOTHING else but Islam itself. It tolerates NO other religions, NO other values, NO other freedoms or form of government but those accepted by Islam (Islamic theocracy).

Islam seeks long-term to dominate and control all the world, including America. Everywhere they go, they start out quietly, until their numbers grow to a substantial minority - then they begin DEMANDING changes that comply with Islam, and become violent, murderous thugs until they get it. As their numbers grow, they will dismantle the system of the host nation until it is utterly subdued. It doesn't MATTER whether you believe in it. THEY believe in it, thus it is their goal. Period.

Everyone of the limp-wristed, spineless American appeasers who just say "don't offend them" is granting THEM the freedom to take OUR freedoms away.

Obama has no standing in this matter. He's already weighed in, religious freedom is something this country was built upon. He won't comment about the wisdom of the act...oh wait he just did. But he won't comment about the wisdom of building the mosque at ground zero...anyone find this just a little bit hypocritical?

I wish this President and this Congress would get this upset over the flag burning that already took place in protest of an intended action.

I live in America. That means I can burn whatever freekin' book I wanna burn.

MSNBC turns this into a war?

Shame on you MSNBC.

Why is it okay to let everyone burn our flag, our symbol of freedom and yet we cant burn theirs? is our flag not as important as their Koran?

We as Americas let people walk all over us it is time to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough!

This seems to be a double sided issue. Freedom of speech allows us freedom of expression, but the principle of the matter is morality and ignorance. There are other relative ways to show bitterness toward the event of September 11, burning parts of the Koran is not one. Not everyone who studies a Koran represents the monsters behind this horrible event. I tell people what, if it boils down to targeting people of Islamic religion by insults of Koran burning then this paster should start with himslef and burn peices out of his bible. My point is that he is not perfect either. It is sad that people in this world would stoop this low and use God as an excuse for his or her imoral acts. If he cared anything about America, which is obviously what he is trying to prove he needs to consider the ripple effect that he will cause. Obama is right it will cause harm to the American Soldiers. In my opinion I believe its a selfish act. but on the other hand this is what freedom of speech does for America.

He has the right to do it, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.

It's funny, the Obama bashers are out in force because he said it's wrong. He offered his opinion, so what? On the opposite end, the republican/ Teabagger "cheerleader" Palin did the same, is she wrong too?

You just don't understand the word "hypocrisy", do you Mark?

You get your pants in a bunch when someone questions ANYTHING Obama says or does, but you're more than willing to pile on Palin for ANYTHING she does or says.

That tells me your opinion is driven by political rhetoric, and virtually worthless when discussing ...........well, ANYTHING!

Actually, I understand the word very well. I was making a point to the haters out there saying it's bad for one person to say it, but turn their cheek on someone they like who says the same thing.

If you would have read a little further down, that's where I was making the most important point, no politics at all....But maybe you only know how to read the first few words in a sentence...oh well.....

This is just a case of a publicity seeking, racist, redneck bigot, passing himself off as some sort of "minister" to stroke his ego and raise money for himself. He's just another @!$%# conman and doesn't give @!$%# about who might get hurt because of this stunt. Yes, he has the right to do it, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still a dickhead to do it.

Screw this Idiot. It's so obvious that he's only looking for attention. Go ahead and burn your u-haul full of qu'rans. As the President said we were founded on freedom and religious tolerance. Your choice. However I hope after the fact that one of our intelligence services "Renders" your Arse to the thick of the fight.

The Front Page, The Home Page is doing what? Infomercialing? Could be.....

The front home page of MSNBC is tying some video to this thread (thought is to fill the home page with news) on the first page, I feel slighted, that's what all brouhaha is is about on this vine.

My Answer, and final answer is" -----who knows? Who cars? Remember the First Amendment Right of Free expression:................Lets take a look – They made number one for a reason, duh. Now read it and think, no one, or religion is above the law, now and never.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition

My little free time is up I must for money making purposes speak to the people. Create needs or find needs for those primarily at 40 - 55 year age frame to invest in small real estate investments, in being part of a medium sized syndicate (an investment team, a group of investors) that look for a decent return on the assets waiting for the payoff period at which time no payments are made and only rental income is received, a non-job related retirement plan. During time of interest percentage of ownership in rental of say, for example you own ¼ (25%). your return is 25% of income while being held from 6% to 11% (typyical) with no risk, next to none, no management involvement, look to the CAP Rate, ROI, ROE, GRM. Hopefully in about fifteen years or a little sooner the market comes back and everyone is happy, again.

One can transfer, with stipulations, their interest of say for example ¼ (.25%). Form of ownership, the ease of an interest in rental property and the ability to sell their part of the investment, that would be called liquidate their interest (stipulations). The longest term to payoff of the income producing rental real estate is fifteen years, then paid off, pays off and just keeping and giving. I feel like I'm doing a sales pitch here whats going on? Once I get going………well

"The world is mud-luscious and puddle-wonderful." - E.E.

This stunt by an ignorant bigot demonstrated our hypocrisy. What it proves is that Americans are as extremist as some claim the Islamist are. We complain about them training their children to fight - we let our children play violent video games that train them to kill Arabs. We complain that the Afghani's let Al Qaida train in their country - we train mercenaries for hire in camps in America run by corporations like Black Water Securities. We complain about how women are treated and have a huge domestic violence problem. We claim we allow for religious freedom but want the Muslim women to remove their burkas. We demand democracy for other countries yet lock out legitimate candidates from presidential debates. We complain about statements made by extremist's like Osama bin Laden as if they represented everyone yet can't see how what this extremist's actions reflect on us.

The hypocrisy demonstrated by these attitudes is the reason we are fighting wars in the first place. Our belief in our own superiority (ethnocentrism) is disrespectful to them and their cultures that have existed for thousands of years where ours is less than two hundred years old (industrialism, capitalism and democracy). America was formed though the abuse of human rights (slavery) and has only over come some of the women's rights issue in recent times. We still abuse parts of our society through useless victimless crimes like our marijuana laws.

We have no room to talk. The brown women in those societies don't need us to interfere with their relationships with their brown men. They don't need capitalism or democracy or help from us. What they need is to be treated fairly and respected. We need to remove our troops from their countries and let them fight their own wars for progress.

Since America has so many problems and social issues, (lack of health care and retirement protections, hospitals for the mentally ill, housing for the handicapped, etc. etc.) Maybe China should invade us, Maybe start with a big bombing run to "shock and awe" us into compliance with their beliefs.

America has become the borg. Our belief in Manifest destiny and American Imperialism is similar to what some people claim ISlam is all about. Taking over the world. But it is america Imperialism that is actually do it, at the point of a gun. We are what we hate in others. America's fear of Communism was the same after the Soviet Union fell, researchers when in and found that they had no plans for expansion. They weren't trying to force the world into communism. We on the other hand America is trying to force the world into capitalism and into world politics according to our rules (the World Trade Organization or United Nations).

By the Way the WTO and UN are not helping poor countries to feed their people. No it is quite the other way around. We are trying to force them to become dependent upon Multi-national corporation while they dismantle the indigenous farms and industries.

Lets face it, America is the world's problem not it's solution. Our life style is unsustainable and will kill the whole planet eventually. America is a lie. It's like our constitution giving people equality, ya, as long as the "man" is "white" you've got rights, other wise, shut up and pick the cotton.

Wake up you ethnocentric, nationalist, patriotic, boot licking, philistines. America is the bad guy on this orb. We are the Nazi's of the 21st century. And all you people that back this countries politics by supporting their agenda or joining the military are war criminals. Just like the Nazi's.

Lee-479062

For Mark in 1.25, here is a mathematical analysis you might find interesting. It includes a very thoughtful and informative discussion of who the Islamic terrorists are and why they are a threat that is not going away.

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/65537

So Lee, tell me a little of the background and goals of this Daniel Pipes who you trust so much with figures on islamic terrorists, muslims and Islam.

Would he by chance be pro-Israel and anti-Arab/Muslim? Do you think he has an agenda to make islam look bad?

Face it, this guy who's link you pasted above is a true Islamic hater. I wouldn't trust a word he said about anything when it comes to figures about islam.

I'd guess my figures my be a little more realistic, and I don't have an agenda like your Daniel Pipes does.

Of "all the people on Earth who can talk sense... the LAST guy to suggest is Che Obama.

Besides we all know what he'll say... "It must have been Bush's fault!"

Anything... absolutely anything that goes wrong; if his daughter falls on the White House Lawn... whatever...it was Bush's fault!

But... if "the surge" helped bring the Iraq War to a quicker end?

Che Obama takes the credit.

Why? Simple. He is just a dick and that's how dicks behave!

Ummmmm - Last I checked we are already at war and war is already inherently dangerous to ones health! So our soliers (including my son) are already in danger of getting killed.

What the F(ck does it matter now if someone wants to burn a Quran! Liberals burn bibles and flags and steal crosses all the time! They don’t care, but bow and kneel before the Muslims! Whatever!

The President endless catering to his ex-Muslim faith and Arab Kings, is concerning! As free people, we will draw our political cartoons or burn whatever we want! I personally do not like burning books, Even the Quran, but whatever! The Imam has a constitutional right to build his terrorist recruitment mosque just as they have always done in conquered lands; the preacher man has his right to protest and burn the Quran in return! If this stirs up the hornets nest, so be it! Last I checked we live as free people, I think>?

Lee, and other Muslim haters:

While researching Muslim extremists, I found this interesting link.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

Maybe we should channel our hate elsewhere....

Fool, yeh! but the media is to blame for making a mockery of this. Let the idiot do what he wants but dont give it any exposure. Duh!!!!!

While I consider the planned Koran burning petty much an empty “feel good” gesture, they have a perfect fight to do so especially considering no one bats so much as an eyebrow when a bible or the flag is burned. As for inciting Islamic extremists, what doesn’t incite them? They have demonstrated over and over again there is precious little, real or imagined, that doesn’t offend and enrage them.

In fact the opposite has now become true in that if the Koran burning doesn’t go forward the Islamic crazies will consider that a victory for them and reinforce their perception that we in the west are a spineless lot.

When you say "fool" and "clown," who are talking about Obama?

Im down with burning every Koran on earth as long as we can do the same to the Bible...Spiritual bureaucracies SUCK

I'm against burning the qoran the same way I'm against burning the bible.

No, the mosque should not be built at ground zero, but not because of this pastor guy. It shouldn't be there anymore than a church should.

I'm wondering if a couple of boys in big black SUV's oughta pay this fool a visit. Wouldn't that be better than just a call from the State dept.?

He got rolled- thinking they'd stop the mosque just because some looney pastor in Florida decides to burn a Korans? Is he nuts?

Im down with burning every Koran on earth as long as we can do the same to the Bible...Spiritual bureaucracies SUCK

Well you should be good to go on the Quran and a book of matches, because liberals/progressives having been toasting bibles and the American Flag for decades. (and some bra's too )

Wouldn't it be great if everyone in the United States realized that Yes, Americans are indeed free to build a mosque pretty much anywhere they want (but sometimes it's just not the best idea to do so), and Yes, Americans are indeed free to burn books (but sometimes it's just not the best idea to do so).

Wouldn't it be great if all parties realized how sensitive these issues are, and both parties realized that perhaps building a mosque at another location might be a good idea, and not burning the book might be a good idea?

In other words, talk to each other, and understand and respect each other?

Yea, I know, that'll happen when pigs fly....but it's a nice thought.

It annoys the hell out of me to think that we as Americans feel compeled to back down from our 'God' given rights of expression because we are dealing with Muslims...this is the type of fear they want to instill in Americans...complete bull@!$%#...

Jones should just tell eveyone that it's not going to happen so the media will leave, and then do it anyway.... Death to all muslims.

VetteLover -

You forgot some women, I presume they were women, throwing panties at the very popular singer Tom Jones. When I was in grammer school I can remember my mom watching ole Tom on television and she was like into it, she thought this guy was hot. It is true that there was rumor of wormen throwing womens panties at the poor guy while on stage. I can only assume they were brought in a purse, they would not actually throw worn ones, would they?.

My Gawd........

Old combat soldier here, and it generally takes a helluva lot to shake me. Even so, I am downright APPALLED to read all of the hatred, fear and gross-me-out ignorance being vomited up here.

How DARE you call yourselves Americans while calling for the burning of any religion's holy book! How DARE you call yourselves patriotic, knowing damn well if this piss-brained idiot burns these books it'll cost the lives of at least a few of our young men and women who are laying it all on the line for you. And how dare you call yourselves Christians while spewing nothing but hate, fear, and anger.

The only lower life forms are those trying to inject politics into it. It's hard not to get angry, but I'm afraid for America when these hysterical hate peddlers are given a platform to spew their garbage. As an American I it is not only my right, but my duty to show tolerance for all religions. I cannot say the same for the loud-mouthed piss ants railing away here.

This "pastor" is officially The Biggest Idiot in the World. I'd bet my life that if anyone said they were going to burn the Bible he would poop his pants in anger. What does he think he's going to accomplish? A week from now his simpleminded stunt will be forgotten by the western world, but the anger, hatred, and danger directed toward Americans everywhere -- especially our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan -- with Muslims except Antarctica will last years.

I guess that is what this low IQ moron is going to accomplish...

We have now proclaimed to the world that we will bend to terrorist demands. If they want to change America, all they need to do is threaten violence and we will give in. First it started with TV shows, and now this.

I wonder what their next demand will be?

It annoys the hell out of me to think that we as Americans feel compeled to back down from our 'God' given rights of expression because we are dealing with Muslims...this is the type of fear they want to instill in Americans...complete bull@!$%#...

And what would you say (or do) if you saw the Bible being burned in Egypt?

mybootstrapswerestolen I agree, let's have a national religious book burning day.

Vettelover: You must have checked along time ago....

Heres the real issue concerning the mosque and the Kuran burning: There are 2 sides to every story.

#1 Taliban/al-Queada/Sadham hussein Brought down the WTC towers.

#2 WTC bombing was an inside job a false flag attack.

If #1 is true There should never even be a consideration to build a Mosque at ground Zero Honoring those who attacked our country and killed 3k of our civilians.

If #2 is true Then we should absolutely build this mosque as an apology for blaming Islamic people for what our own Gov. has done to our people. That also goes for our current pres. bowing and apologizing to the Arab leader.

Now the Book burning:

The Gov. has absolutley NO right to deny ANY citizen ANY rights afforded by the constitution for ANY reason PERIOD!!!!!

Those, willing to trade liberties for security deserve Neither!!!- Ben. Franklin-

This Pastor wether you agree with him or not IS well WITHIN his rights to burn ANY book INCLUDING the Kuran!!!

These rights can NOT be taken from him by ANYONE Especially the FED. GOV.!!!!

To do so undermines the constitution and what it stands for!!!!

There have been threats by Muslims on both issues inciting violence if their requests aren't met. Last I heard that was called Blackmail/Extortion, tools of terrorism. Our Gov. does NOT negotiate with TERRORISTS!!!!

To apease Muslims on EITHER issue Promotes further acts of terrorism and gives these actions merit.

Do not give away your/MY sovereignity. I will fight to the death for mine...Will you???

Someone stated this is a stuggle/conflict that will determine wether the constitution or National security is more important.... Your exactly right. My answer is :THE US CONSTITUTION!! IT IS the SUPREME LAW of the LAND!!! Nothing takes precidence over it!!!

This IS a defining moment in OUR history.... Will you side with terrorists, communism/socialism, Nationalism and National security?

Or....Will you side with INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, Life, liberty, the persuit of happiness, and OUR CONSTITUTION???

Not to mention our Ancestors and all the sacrificed for us to be here today.

Right after the delegation that formed our Nations government, I believe it was Thomas Paine, whom was asked, "Well what is it?

His response, "It is a Democratic Republic, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT"!!!!!

That is where we are today, CAN WE KEEP IT???

Or will we LOSE it to ousiders whom do not even share OUR OWN beliefs??

On a side Note Obama has spent over $900,000 in legal fees in order to keep his records sealed because of his birth certificate.

Before anyone calls me a "Birther", I am NOT. I actually find the term quite disgusting and hateful. I am a person who tells Facts, though. Facts that CAN be PROVEN!!!!

ARE YOU???

I didn't kill anyone back in May of 2009 when the U.S. Military burned Bibles sent to a soldier in Afghanistan. It's paper and ink. Christians have no idols....we don't worship statues, books, places.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Security/Default.aspx?id=516980

The pastor planning to burn Qurans on Sept. 11 said Thursday that he had called off the event after receiving assurances that a proposed Islamic center would be moved away from the World Trade Center site.

COWARD! This guy Jones is all talk and no action

Jones said Musri told him that officials would guarantee that the mosque would be moved. I asked him three times, and I have witnesses," Jones said. "If it's not moved, then I think Islam is a very poor example of religion. I think that would be very pitiful. I do not expect that.

Wait one second! If you're really a Christian pastor, then why would you make a deal with the devil let alone expect it to be honored? Even if the mosque in NY does get canceled, does that make the Quran any less the "book of Hell" Jones rightly calls it and one of primary reasons for the planned burning in the first place? What a loser. With this, Muslims now have veto power over anything Americans and even Christians plan to do.

PragmaticToAFault -

Ok, now lets simmer down, looks like these carpet head lovers are huddling up, I read your Post # 1.28 and I for the most part agree, then again I am referring to the parts I am even interested in, 25% more or less.

Almost time for, on the burninngof all "Holy Books, including Playboy".... The Beer Summit... Proceed.

What I see much of “lets have a beer summit” which after the umpteenth time I think just might be in order. So good to see you post you should have read this post I exchanged with someone that thought along the lines of Islam pre-dating Christianity, and he was obstinate on his contention. So when I see an old hand, someone I can least follow the line of thought, it is a relief without measure.

Have a nice day……

How is the South ever gonna rise again with such cowardly leadership?. Tell those yankees in Washington to shove it!

Burn anything you want, the south shall rise again!

:)

To hell with Obama! What he says today is not what he speaks tomorrow. It is time to let the radicals, which includes Obama and his hefty staff of socialists and communist members, know what we are all about. If it is OK to burn bibles and the American flag --burn the Koran. Bring it on, if this makes you hot so be it ---it is time to speak out. We had enough of speaking behind closed doors. It is time to let the Muslim world know that if their agenda is to eliminate the Americans and Jews, then come on and let's have a go at it. Better now than later because the longer we wait the more freedom is lost by the actions of Obama, his one party system, and his radical friends. For those that don't believe that he associates with and is guided by his radicals friends, you need to wake up---do your own little look see who the people are and their backgrounds.

Actually, we aren't at war with the frail right-wing government of Afghanistan, per se. We are at war with religious extremists over there.

As per 1.141, what would I say if I saw a Bible being burned in Egypt? I wouldn't be botherred enough to make any kind of comment because I simply don't care either way.

Any "holy" book from any "faith" belongs on the funeral pyre, as far as I'm concerned.

Naturally our troops are at danger. Why don't you understand that? Moreover, we are at war--a subtle un-declared war--with radical Islam, or at least, they are at war with us.

micrometer,

You are so right. Words like that of Petraeus, Obama, and Clinton actually do great harm to the troops in that it boosts the morale of the enemy. The enemy becomes emboldened and begins to see themselves as winning and American troops as frightened and will do anything not to offend. When the Commander in Chief and the commander in theater appear frightened as evidenced by their criticisms of this pastor, then victory for the enemy can not be far away and they darn sure know it. The current leadership at the Pentagon is the sorriest this country has ever had. I for one hope Petraeus gets captured by the enemy and let them do to him what they will.

You are the clown! Give the man credit for exercising his freedom of speech.

You belong in Obama's cadre of radicals that bound and determined to trash the Constitution.

Robert Sedlock - 1.148

So...you think burning the Quran is going to accomplish all that?

If the person wants to speak out, he has a right to do unto others as others do unto you!

l33tpr0digy

Hold another beer summit?

Doubt that would help. This Church the Pastor works at teaches that everyone who doesn't follow "their" Christianity is evil and servants of the devil, including Jews, Muslims, Agnostics, Atheists, Wiccans, (the list goes on)

Post Script to Post # 1.146

I did not mean anything offensive I only agree with Post #1.043 in that Americans, The American People can burn, trash, spit on, sit on, kick, flusher down the toilet, make fun of and do anything they so desire to any inanimate object without recourse.

We are a free people that have no official or non-official Gods, Idols, Heros, Myths, animate or inanimate objects which we will relinquish our "First Amendment Right" for the phony rhetoric of demagogues.

No the American people can hoop and holler about this all they like but at the end of the day I believe the true American knows as much as we don't approve of act in light of the right of the citizen to commit a totally offensive act, there, we need look no further, there in the allowance of the that heinous act is demonstrated for the world to see real religious tolerance and freedom of America, and someone if someone needs to burn a bible across the street it is your right, then if all the so-called Holy Books of the world as a demonstration of the right of The Peoples of the World that we are free from state and non-state use of Religion to whip us into submission, we are free. Oh yes, religion used as a mental whip, been working just fine for WELL over three thousand years maybe we, you and I can finally put a stop, some brakes on this blight on human kind,................IMAGINE

I am not favor of book burning, but there are plenty of these Holy Books to go around, so as a demonstration of mans liberation from religious dogma a religious book burning ceremony should be held not to demean the words within but to declare the American and Peoples of the World freedom from this form of tyranny (tyranny of the mind). Woman, children and men of all sorts you are now free,...................... free at last.

Ah - if only it where so easy...........................IMAGINE

IF it can be imagined it can happen...............IMAGINE

The things that Burning the Holy Koran (Quran) will do:

1. Per Suras 2.190 thru 2.217, Arm and Fortifying of Mosques, and the Harboring of those Islamic Believers Fighting the War Against the Unbelievers (specifically Jews and Christians, Suras 9.29 thru Sura 9.123). The War (NOW, Today, not the wrongdoing of Christians centuries ago), Against the Unbelievers being Suras 2.190 thru Sura 48.16 and all the Numbers and Decimals inbetween.

2. This will bring out into the open all those Islamic Fundamentalists similar to the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban. If US Law Enforcement and US Intelligence capitalized on this event most would have been caught before they start their routine covert violent acts (bombings, international assassinations, etc.) as funded by all 1.5 Islamic Believers Worldwide with Manditory Islamic Tithes.

3. As far as increases to activities against US Military here. Only for publicity. As it is seen as a Status Symbol by Islamic Believers to join the Islamic Believers War Against the Unbelievers (Jews and Christians).

Inside Al Qaeda

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/04/inside-al-qaeda.html

4. You can give all the US Constitutional Rights to the Islamic Believers you want. Does NOT matter, as for ALL Islamic Believers, Islam is ALL, All Politics, All Religion, All Beliefs, All Laws, All Ways of Life, All Cultures, etc. with Islam superseding all other Nations politics, religions, beliefs, laws, ways of life, culture, etc. as stated by the Holy Koran (Quran) and the Islamic Laws (Hadith Laws, Fiqh Laws, Sharia Laws, etc.), stated by the current Imams, and the MAJORITY of Islamic Believers (just research the Islamic Nations, as well as recent events, the putting aside of the centuries old blood feud between Sunni and Shia (Shiites) to pursue the War Against the Unbelievers, with 2010 Arab League of Nations inviting Iran (longstanding Wars between the Arabs and Persians)(THERE IS YOUR MAJORITY OF ISLAMIC BELIEVERS, TODAY, political status, funding, aiding, abetting, participating, posting on internet (misinformation), etc. in the War Against the Jews and Christians).

Within Modern Islam there is no picking and chosing of what is Believed, No Freedom of Speech (Internationally, examples: Salmon Rushdie and the Danish Cartoonist), No quiting Islam as doing harm to Allah and His Prophet (the Death Penalty). Qadi 'Iyad ibn Musa al-Yahsubi

No Religious Tolerance for any other Religion (examples: Modern Day Turkey, Patriarch Bartholomew Feels "Crucified", http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/05/60minutes/main6747019.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;7, the only Christians that are exempt from the Killing or Subjugation are at ONE Monastary at Egypt that have a Mandate of Exemption from Mohammad himself, all other Christians and Jews are SH!T out of luck.

No allying yourself with Jews and Christians, if you do, you will die a horrible murdering, in accordance with Sura 33. This is what happened to the Pro Western Afghan Muhajeen, massacred by the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, 1990s. 2010 Taliban massacring those Afghans that "Collaborate" with the Jews and Christians.

Lying to the Kaffir for the purpose of Taqiya is MANDATORY. Modern Day example: Major Hassan and the Fort Hood Massacres. With Major Hassan lying in his sworn or affirmed Oath of Office (US Military Officer). His actions (massacre of unarmed Unbelievers) is as stated in Suras 8.12 thru 8.69. Sura 8.17 absolves him of his actions.

Demand that ALL World Leaders, ALL United Nations Members, ALL Imams, ALL Islamic Believers DENOUNCE the Holy Koran (Quran) Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Unbelievers, Suras 2.190 thru Sura 48.16 and all numbers and decimals inbetween (note there are only 114 Suras).

How about all of you reading the unabridged Arabic Version of the Holy Koran (Quran), the Hadith Laws, the Fiqh Laws, the Sharia Laws, etc.. (NOT in the chopped down, edited, sentences removed, politically correct (not to incite the kaffir), etc. English Versions). Realize that these are used TODAY for the Majority of the Islamic Believers (eventhough most are illiterate). The next source is the Holy Koran (Quran) in Farsi (Persian, Iran).

The Official First Amendment of The United States Consitutution - The Official Law of the Land - ...............Just in case you have not read it lately, your welcome.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition

Have a great evening..............Good Night

"The world is mud-luscious and puddle-wonderful". -E.E. Cummings, poet (1894-1962)

Mark in 1.122 and 1.125

Perhaps a little bit of increase in your reading comprehension skills would tell you that this was not written by Daniel Pipes. Of course you would have to actually read it, not just leap to conclusions. As far as your numbers being more accurate, I would love to see your analysis (since you did not attribute your very low estimate to anyone else I assume you did not plagarize). You are seriously going to use that overworked denigration of the source versus actually refuting the points? I had hoped you were stronger than that.

I also find it interesting that you would call me a Muslim hater. It seems that you also think you have some magical powers to ascertain someone's motives and intentions without any evidence to back your assertions. There seems to be a lot of that on Newsvine.

Poster 1.156 -

You don't get do you? We will pay any price to protect our "Bill of Rights" as Free Men and Women and will spare no sacrifice to that end.

This simple concept of human freedom is alien to your frame of conceptual reference so you post a long brow beating, threatening of a people that would never relinquish it's rights and rights of its citizens to express their rights under said "Bill Rights". You may refer to these, of or may refer to those, as the rights of a totally, I mean totally FREE in the right of self expression. Sorry Islamist fanatic that is the way it is here and you harbor terrorists we are coming after you next.

I REPEAT....THE EXPRESSION OF A TOTALLY FREE PEOPLE....WE ARE FREE.

PS. you want more bloodshed let the rivers of the world, indeed the oceans of the world be a crimson red before you take away my "Bill of Rights". So many of our founders would not even sign The Constitution if these rights, and some wanted more rights, were not part of the "the Law of the Land".

We will fight you until the end of time before you diminish our Constitution. That is my warning to you and all Billion and more, if it is death you want death you shall have, but, the common person wants peace and yearns even dreams of American freedom. Oh yes they do, they may not care so much for our culture, I don't either, but our freedoms,our-"Bill of Rights".

You speak for no one but your sorry self and your prognostications are the work of a neurotic mental wreck. I think you may more of this than it is and if these fools want to die then die theu will, the train has just started to leave the station.

Robert Sedlock 1.153

One could argue that statement. Go read post 1.27 presented by Skip Nicholsen. In this paticular thread Mr Jones' actions would only increase the type of violence described by Skip, because that is how the insurgent undestands "he has the right to do unto others as others do unto you!" We burn a book, they kill the "Infidels".

We must apply temper, along with sound thinking when envoking the 1st amendment when it is associated to freedom of speech. Otherwise, we just as well throw the U.S. Constitution on Mr. Jones' fire along with the Quran. Without that document your plyth will always remain behind closed doors.

I'm am not attacking or attempting to offend you here...I'm just sayin'

We are a free people that have no official or non-official Gods, Idols, Heros, Myths, animate or inanimate objects which we will relinquish our "First Amendment Right" for the phony rhetoric of demagogues.

Persevere,

Correction: You mean you were a free people. Islam, Obama, Clinton and Petraeus working in concert just took away your freedom with the pressure and intimidation tactics they employed against the pastor to not burn a single Quran.

Sadly, the courage of plastic patriots increases in direct proportion to their distance from the actual shooting....

Just think, when Islam conquers this country (and it will), there will be no such thing as football anymore.

"Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings." (German: "Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.")—Heinrich Heine, from his play Almansor (1821)

A message from the American Library Association.

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DON'T JOIN THE BOOK BURNERS

Don't think you're going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don't be afraid to go in your library and read every book, as long as any document does not offend our own ideas of decency. That should be the only censorship.

How will we defeat communism unless we know what it is, what it teaches, and why does it have such an appeal for men, why are so many people swearing allegiance to it? It's almost a religion, albeit one of the nether regions.

And we have got to fight it with something better, not try to conceal the thinking of our own people. They are part of America. And even if they think ideas that are contrary to ours, their right to say them, their right to record them, and their right to have them at places where they're accessible to others is unquestioned, or it's not America.

—Dwight David Eisenhower

From the remarks of the President of the United States at the Dartmouth College Commencement, June 14, 1953. Courtesy of Dartmouth College Library.

notanymore POST # 1.61 -

CORRECTION notanymore you dare to posit as a correction when you cannot porvide one solid proof, not that someone told some staffer told some junior staffer assistant that told her girlfriend in the course of describing the romantic events of the past night you have it on good source that would I reprint is in fact, 100% factual and you can back this all up with tangible corroboration, right? OK here is your the excerpt to your post #1.61: your words -

"Correction: You mean you were a free people. Islam, Obama, Clinton and Petraeus working in concert just took away your freedom with the pressure and intimidation tactics they employed against the pastor to not burn a single Quran."

Are you really that obtuse to make a declarative statement an absolute that my freedoms have been ipso-facto suspened, or in your words "you were a free people" (past tense of "are"). Just because this book burning did not take place, and I don't know if did not I have not seen the "news"or if it did or not, it makes no matter to me. Just when did my first right get ablished? This guy or some other person, now that it makes big new, is going to play this stunt, and the stupid media will try to foment for hatred around the world with a wit that not covering this does not impingh on the own First Amendment Rights. A sorry mess all the way around. I say take the most "Holy Books" the top ten and burn them all. Equal treatment that is The American Way, equalilty all religions and we are beholding to none of them.

Your erronuous stereotypical post is the type of post that people take seriously and unfortunatetly feel this is a mental fact, and thus form mental attitudes and political positions along with other bits of accepted knowledge knowedge to form what, as far as I know was first formulated my a certain German Philosopher Immuanual Kant, in the original German. I quote you below:

"You mean you were a free people. Islam, Obama, Clinton and Petraeus working in concert just took away your freedom"

This unmasked, naked, stark, unqualified, certitude, absolute, your bold conjecture, the brash certitude, you don't blush, this is no bunk, such assurance, self-assurance, doubtless in this fact, a self-confidence beyond measure.

Unfortunately you have no corroborating evidence, not a lick as they say in this part of California, without not a lick of evidence an accusation is not even put on the courts calendar. That may prove to be the low standard to be admitted to courts of law in your neck of the woods but you statement is, without the minimal corroboration, to cast the integrity of those you mentioned as forming some secret or not so secret, further investigation may reveal campaign laws have been broken.

So you and all of rest of these fearful little weasels can stop with of your proletyzing of what is going to come to pass tomorrow or tonight, or over the next number of years. You can stop trying to control peoples minds with your mental tyranny and know it all, the workings of the universe, this all knowing self-image, you don't impress in the least. You can stop with all of the conspiracies, conspiracy theories. Put them away and go find a job or two and take care of your family.

Don't worry the Vets of Vietnam and up through today will protect you so don't worry you a safe and sound the old and new Vets are here by the thousands and you just can get out of the way, which would be most helpful.

Thank You,.....Your Welcome

thewordsmith wrote "Aside from the fact that this numbnuts doesn't even know how to spell (It's Quran or, less commonly Kuran and not KOran) I thought the greater good of the Nation/National Security trumps freedom of speech."

Actually the word for Koran is an Arabic word and doesn't use this alphabet at all.

القرآن الكريم

I can read that script (al-koran al-kareem, from right to left, translated loosely as the spoken/recited, the generous).

THAT script above is the correct spelling, so no, you can't call any English version a mispelling if the main sounds are approximated. The sound for the first letter, "cough" does not exist in English. So it is always a mere approximation when spelled in English.

One of the perils of using foreign words I suppose.

Hey Mr. Obama, we're at WAR with Afganistan!

Oh, Jesus @!$%#ing Christ. We are NOT AT WAR WITH AFGHANISTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Afghanistan is our ally.

Lee-479062

Mark in 1.122 and 1.125

Perhaps a little bit of increase in your reading comprehension skills would tell you that this was not written by Daniel Pipes. Of course you would have to actually read it, not just leap to conclusions. As far as your numbers being more accurate, I would love to see your analysis (since you did not attribute your very low estimate to anyone else I assume you did not plagarize). You are seriously going to use that overworked denigration of the source versus actually refuting the points? I had hoped you were stronger than that.

I also find it interesting that you would call me a Muslim hater. It seems that you also think you have some magical powers to ascertain someone's motives and intentions without any evidence to back your assertions. There seems to be a lot of that on Newsvine.

Well, you're right, it was not written by Daniel Pipes, my mistake, I'll admit it. However, it is in his blog, and knowing his background, I'd assume his followers are somewhat the same, anti muslim.

I don't claim to have any magical powers, I just call em' as I see em'.

It annoys the hell out of me to think that we as Americans feel compeled to back down from our 'God' given rights of expression because we are dealing with Muslims...this is the type of fear they want to instill in Americans...complete bull@!$%#...

And what would you say (or do) if you saw the Bible being burned in Egypt?

Nothing...I refuse to believe in a book of lies and propoganda

Then I am correct in my belief that you don't need even a shred of evidence to "call em' as I see em'".

And still no analysis on your part to support your contentions, nor any attempt at refuting anything written in the link.

You have exposed yourself.

Only Facts Matter (and wouldn't that be nice if it were true, but alas, perception is oftentimes more important than truth), thanks for your response, but there are two questions you didn't ask that seem especially pertinent:

Is Terry Jones making things better? No.

Is he making them worse? Yes.

It's not a question of whether Jones has a right to burn books (in this country he does, in other countries he might be put to death for doing so), as whether that is a reasonable or good thing to do (it's not).

I disagree. I believe that if a Muslim cleric in the US were to make this announcement, that he was going to burn Bibles (here in the US), the outrage would be just as high.

Muslim clerics outside the US would be scorned but we wouldn't press the matter as hard outside the country.

Your are right, but it's still a stupid thing to do. This Jones guy is as big a whack job as the "preacher" and his idiot followers who go to fallen soldiers funerals and celebrate their deaths.

Seriously? In this "Christian" nation? Of course it would be HUGE news, fanned by FOX news, and fodder for right wing religious zealouts to cry foul toward Muslims. This so called man of God is a complete joke. Yes, he has the right...as does anyone to burn the bible, burn the flag, all in the name of the first amendment. But that doesn't make any of those things reasonable and respectful.

The question is: Do you fight ( and defeat ) hate with hate...or love?

You guys that think Fox news would fuel a riot if the Bible was burned clearly do not understand the nature of Christianity or Christians. The Bible is simply a book, the religion of Christianity is in the heart. At its core is the ideology of forgiveness, compassion, and mercy. Now if you started to crucify Christians as you would like to do, then we might have something to say about that. You want to burn the Bible...go ahead and waste your matches. Nobody will care and nobody will come watch you burn the Bible. That would be a waste of time. The Bible is not God.

Haztone says "Seriously? In this "Christian" nation? Of course it would be HUGE news, fanned by FOX news, and fodder for right wing religious zealouts to cry foul toward Muslims. This so called man of God is a complete joke. Yes, he has the right...as does anyone to burn the bible, burn the flag, all in the name of the first amendment. But that doesn't make any of those things reasonable and respectful."

You bad mouth Fox new because they would report that an Islamic man burnt a bible but yet you do not chastise MSN, CNN or any other liberal news media for covering this story. Do you not see the irony of your own statement and how biased you truly are and people like you call us racists. The one yelling the loudest is normally the one trying to distract from his own deeds.

Not to sure Joe. Why don't you go over to a Muslim country and give any handy Imam a big hug and kiss in the name of Christian love and see where you end up!

“the outrage would be just as high”

Lynn , I agree but the difference their outrage drives to violence, riots , just remember what happened with the Mohamed cartoon in Europe. That is the difference, our outrage do not drive to violence . Burning Koran will show one more time the violence of the Islam. Muslims are burning temples, Churches, persecuting Christians , sending to jail for no reason anyone who is not Muslim, all the time. What about if a Muslim convert to another religion , is dead meat. I’m sick and tired of the hypocrisy. Burning Korans make a big deal all over the world , but the attack to Christians in the middle east no. I hope the world community start looking at this violation of human right as well. I hope president Barak Hussein Obama and his Muslim envoy seek for more tolerance in Muslim Countries toward people that have another religion than the Islam in Meddle East..

You can always count on "ron avery" to post an unintelligible comment with ONE recurring theme.

"Anything Obama says is GOSPEL".

Whatever will you do with yourself in 2012 ron?

The good reverend has a legal right under the 1st Amendment to burn the Koran. That does not mean he should do it, especially out of sensitivity to the feelings of Muslims.

This is actually quite similar to the fact that Imam Rauf has a legal right to build a mosque on the graves of the victims of the 9/11 attack at "Ground Zero". That does not mean that Imam Rauf should build his Mosque either.

Perhaps if Obama told Reverend Jones that he would drop support for building the Mosque in return for the good reverend's cooperation not to burn Korans, then the reverend would see the light, and behave like a civilized Christian. It would sure be a win-win situation for Obama, and he would have a reasonable argument to present to the Imam about why the Mosque should not be built.

How can we expect moderate Muslims to stand up to decry the barbarity of radical Muslim terrorists if we are not willing to stand up to prevent the symmetric barbarity (in the eyes of a Muslim) of this Christian terrorist in his attempt to defile the Koran?

Because we can't prevent the pastor from burning the Quran without violating his Constitutionally protected right to do so, just as we cannot prevent the mosque from being built despite majority opposition in NY and the country.

We are a country of laws, not men and that is in truth a double edged sword. One literally hundreds of thousands of people have lost their lives in defense of.

AnActualEconomist, I like your idea. It's very quid pro quo. You give a little and I will give a little. A compromise is always better than two people fighting it out. I think that arrangement would be a great idea. And not just Obama would win, everybody wins. No fuel for the terrorists whilr also calming the political storm raging in NYC. I dont think it will ever happen though.

As a Christian, I dont support what this Florida pastor is doing. I dont agree with fighting hatred with hatred. When "Christians" do things like this, it is easy to see why the rest of the world hates us. This pastor does not reflect the beliefs of the majority of Christians.

However, I do find it ironic that when Conservatives protested the mosque in NYC they were called biggots and racists. And now, the Liberals are using the same "this isn't how we do things in America" protest against this pastor.

Both are wrong. We have the right to do things in America like burn bibles, burn flags, build mosques on the graves of those who died by the hands of radicals...that doesnt mean those things should be done. The Imam is saying that this mosque in NYC will be built despite the growing objections to it and the Florida pastor is saying he will burn the Quran despite the growing objections to it. They are both wrong. Both actions will cause more anger, more hatred, and more violence.

Yes, a compromise is definitely in order and it needs to happen quickly.

I totally get that it will put Americans in danger. I totally, completely, fully get that. But oddly enough, that is the exact reason why we should allow this to happen.

No one would care if a Bible were wrapped up in a US flag and burned. In fact it would be celebrated by all Muslims. In fact they do that everyday for fun! Except probably burning the Bible, because if any Muslim had one to burn, they would be killed for having it! I dont think at all that Obama is sympathetic to the Muslim cause because of his family affiliation, he is just trying to keep peace.

It is crazy how we are catering to everyone but ourselves. We want everyone comfortable by making us cower in the corner! If the burning does not happen, do you actually think that the Muslim world will suddenly respect us? Or will they walk away on the way to kill another westerner saying: "Thats what I thought! You better have done what we told you!"

AnActualEconomist, I like your idea. It's very quid pro quo. You give a little and I will give a little. A compromise is always better than two people fighting it out. I think that arrangement would be a great idea. And not just Obama would win, everybody wins. No fuel for the terrorists whilr also calming the political storm raging in NYC. I dont think it will ever happen though.

Normally, I would agree that compromise is the best solution. But I cant because the Muslims do not believe in it. Its either the Muslim way or off with your head! How do you compromise with one whose only goal is your complete destruction? Do you tell them that you will offer half of the population? And they reject it because for them its all or nothing. What is the happy middle with that? Please let me know.

How can we continue to do this? We are out there saying sorry for something that has not even happened! They tell us what they will do to us and we had better accommodate them or they will do it 5 more times. Then we accommodate and they do it anyway because we showed them how weak we are by letting them do what they want.

Wake up America.

Has anyone else come to the conclusion that this nut job pastor is feeding off the media frenzy over his goofy plan? He clearly, at least to me, is basking in the attention that he would never get as just the pastor of a 50-member church. The media are the ones creating and feeding this controversy. As for the Koran, like the Bible or any other religious text, it is just words printed on paper: it's the thoughts expressed in those words that matter, not the paper they are printed on. If this guy paid for those books, they are his property and if he wants to waste his money, so be it. This whole thing has been blown so far out of proportion by the media that it is just ridiculous.

If there were no danger for innocent people involved, it would still be totally retarded. I can just see the dorks now, standing around cheering. "Oh the fires out now, ok (twiddle thumbs) ok, guess I'll see ya later fred. Sure did done some good here. I figure them terrorists are calling it quits about now, lets go home." However add that there is a real tragic outcome for people who had no part of it, and you truly do have an assanine notion. For anyone who says it should be done, its their right, I hope the bad guys stop at your place to exact their revenge. Not some young soldier who has a wife and newborn waiting for him back home.

Obama is a hypocrite, He allows the Mosque to be built and caresless for the 9-11 victims which is insensitive but if a pastor wants to burn the Quran its a no, no. What ever happen to freedom of religion and speech? Like Obama and Bloomberg preaches. Why is it good for one and not good for the other? The same rule should apply to all. Also Obama and his caronies talk about the troops safety well our troops are already in danger for being on the Arab soil. Our troops should get the hell out of Afghan and all together Iraq. This war was for the purpose of getting Bin Laden and has failed by this country. American is so stupid for wasting tax payers money to try to nation build Aghan when you damb well know they are a backwards country who lives in the past.

Actualeconomist...what is a moderate muslim?

Should the Koran be burnt as a sign of mourning? No. Should any important emblem be burnt as a protest. Hell No! Should a mosque be built as a sign of peace? Not when they build it upon the graves (figuratively) of Americans. Should Obama have thrown in his comments? Absolutely not! Our esteemed leader has a tendency of putting his foot into his mouth with his rhetoric. It's not what he says but how he says it. This just being the latest example of his naivety on the heels of his childish tirade in Milwaukee on Labor Day.

Where 50 gather together......we can assume the Holy Spirit may not be there at all! A "preacher" requires only a big, hate-filled mouth. Not even a make-believe cable news network is required.

A moderate muslim is similar to a moderate christian or a moderate jew, a person who doesn't allow their religious beliefs to work them into some sort of fanatical frenzy.

Perfectly said Kim.

Tyranny is rarely defeated with love. Ask Neville Chamberlain. When Hitler bombed London, Churchill ordered the bombing of Berlin within 12 hours. Islamists tyrants must be laughing at the fearful response from America's political leaders. We need real leaders, remember in November.

I am against burning books of any kind, it is a bad form of intolerance. On the other hand, I am also against appeasement. The religious threats against people, should not be tolerated, regardless of the religion.

Jim-736496

You guys that think Fox news would fuel a riot if the Bible was burned clearly do not understand the nature of Christianity or Christians. The Bible is simply a book, the religion of Christianity is in the heart. At its core is the ideology of forgiveness, compassion, and mercy. Now if you started to crucify Christians as you would like to do, then we might have something to say about that. You want to burn the Bible...go ahead and waste your matches. Nobody will care and nobody will come watch you burn the Bible. That would be a waste of time. The Bible is not God.

Exactly, the Bible is only a book, it is the words in that book that are the religion and the words can be re-printed, it is the same with the church, that is a building, the real church is in the person, that is God’s temple not the building.

This guy is wrong to burn a book, but it is his money, he bought them and can do with them as he pleases, if that offends the Muslim people then their religion is in the wrong place, burning the Bible will not destroy Christianity.

As for endangering our troops any more, they are already in danger, every hour of every day.

Maybe this "Pastor" is really not a born-again Christian. If he is, I have a ? for him; how is what you're proposing to do- publicly burn the Koran, promote peace. Isn't your actions contrary to the teachings of scriptures? I,E. The following texts; Phillipians 4:8; Romans 12:18; Hebrews 12:14-15, many others.

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. American King James Version If it be possible, as much as lies in you, live peaceably with all men

I admire you thank you brother

BBYanko ...the Imman or whomever is trying to build that community center has the right; not just under freedomn of religion but simple fact. As long as the building is within building codes and zoning laws, anyone could build anything. The argument is the sensitivity of having a building which houses a mosque that close to ground zero. Pres Obama isn't going any further beyond normal legal channels. We can't STOP the building from going up as long as there is adherence to the law when it comes to building construction.

Do I agree with the building going up, no. I think the location shows an insensitivity to the 9-11 victims; ALL the 9-11 victims (with exception of the hijackers anyway). If they found a better location further away, outside of the damage zone of the towers' collapsing, hey, go for it; no problem.

Can you believe this nutty "pastor" and his 50 person church wield so much power? The press should give him no coverage so the taliban wont have any footage to show their disciples!!

The President is a hypocrite, the Pentagon is a hypocrite. So its alright for the US GOVERNMENT TO BURN HOLY BIBLES, but not a pastor????

In Afghanistan, May 2009, US soldiers were ordered to burn Holy Bibles.

http://www.newser.com/story/59546/us-army-burned-bibles-in-afghanistan.html

http://www.examiner.com/christian-in-louisville/military-burns-bibles-sent-to-troops-afghanistan

http://www.redroom.com/blog/steven-robert-travers/pentagon-burns-soldiers-bibles

OH!!!

Here is another crazy one, so Pakistan police are allowed to kill men in their country who refuse to CONVERT to Islam PLUS AS A BONUS!!! THEY GET TO RAPE THE DUDE'S WIFE! WOW! ARE YOU REALLY WANTING TO SUPPORT MUSLIMS????

Knowledge is power, go look stuff up yourself before pointing fingers. Islam is a religion of peace? Really? Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

Newsvine article: http://mustikhan.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/23/4058343-dark-age-in-pakistan-muslims-burn-christian-man-as-policeman-rapes-his-wife-

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/pakistan-muslims-burn-christian-man-policeman-rapes-his-wife

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=134109

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201679.php

All these modern muslims that come out in protest want us dead... 1000000's of muslims want to kill americans and all infidels......to compare christians to these morons is idiotic. You can count all the modern crazy christians who kill or promote killing and you'll have a hard time getting to 1000. Including cults like jim jones and ufo worshipers and they killed themselves.

The only way to rule these savage idiots is with an iron fist just like sadamn did; we can bow down to them and appease them all we want and it will never change their quran or their desire to kill us. So burn the books or dont burn them..it makes no differance.

If 1000000 of them protest christians,burn what ever, and scream kill all americans ...praise be to allah and the 911 saviors.......we dont do anything but ignore them....if they had any sense what so ever; thats what they would do. you just cant reason with stupidity.

The unfortunate consequence of this man's plan to exercise his freedom places a TARGET on all of our heads, our family members in uniform, the President, the Secretary of State, the Embassies around the world, our children, our country, our airports, our baseball parks, our nation. When the blood is shed by innocents to protect this man's freedom, I wonder if he and his congregation will be able to wash it off and then sleep peacefully at night!

A bonanza for Al Qaida? Unlike the building of a victory mosque at groud zero?

Think of all the "freedom" that's been sacrificed since 9/11. It surprises me the United States continues to tolerate extortion to limit our Rights.

I don't agree with burning the Quran, but where does limiting Freedom of Speech end?

wild card said:

This guy is wrong to burn a book, but it is his money, he bought them and can do with them as he pleases, if that offends the Muslim people then their religion is in the wrong place, burning the Bible will not destroy Christianity.

Exactly.........their religion is fine.........all but the part that says to kill me, all infidels and americans.....and says to kill anyone who burns a book.......what kind of stupidity is that?

Apparently this religion is more about world dominance than anything else?

So exactly how many GI's are you willing to bury so that we can prove that our religious nuts are just as insane and stupid as their religious nuts ?

mba .i understand your concern........but they already have targets on their heads.......truth be known we all do...........and whether we bow down to these nut bully's or not it will continue........fact is we will likely have to erase these idiots from the planet.just like hitler to stop their insanity. and yes make the quran the equilivent to the kkk.......

MM, are you going to be able to extrapolate out the number from those that would have been killed anyway?

The real solution? Get our troops the hell out of there. Hundreds of years of violence and unrest says them staying makes no difference in the long run anyway, except to those that end up dead and their families.

This is the most selfish and destructive act this guy could do. He will have the blood of soldiers on his hands if he carries this out. Anyone on this site that approves of this guys actions is (I don't mean to be so blunt) just plain STUPID just like this wanna be man of god. It is outrageuos what he wants to do. He is and people that agree with him are no better than al queda and the terrorist. His actions will bring American soldiers death gauranteed and WILL be used as a recruitment tool for the terrorist. People like this preacher hear VOICES not god and need medication and counseling. ANYONE who agrees with this guy has the right to support the burning of the Quran but remember after this "show" of stupidity will come deaths of AMERICAN soldiers and raises the probability we get attacked here. IDIOTS

al-Qaida is like a case of hemorrhoids - inflamed for any reason or no reason at all...

@ MM-584706 AND br8dybnch: Ask a GI yourself. You'll see them strap on a flak vest and charge in with guns blazing, no mercy, no remorse, only VICTORY, and never defeat. Have plenty of friends who are GIs, they are against the ISLAM religious nuts, so OUR religious nuts can do what they do. I talked to them about this and they could care less about 'more deaths' coming from this. They said they deal with it everyday there and it can't get any worse. Plus they were ordered to burn their religion's Holy Bible back in May 2009, you didn't see them kill extra Muslims. Get over yourself. I"M PROUD OF OUR BOYS OVER THERE. Have an interview over there and ASK THEM their opinion. They'll say burn them.

The terrorists can't hate us anymore than they already do so.......
Here, let me give you a match.

You go american!!! Where was all the outrage when the U.S student was suspended from school for refusing to remove rosary beads he was wearing? What happened to his freedom of religion?,or does freedom of religion only pertain to third world religions?

A bonanza for Al Qaida? Unlike the building of a victory mosque at groud zero?

Best post of the day...

Obama is a hypocrite. If he's against this pastor then he should also be against the building of the mosque. He has shown more anger towards the pastor and has shown more understanding to the mosque builder.

If he's against this pastor then he should also be against the building of the mosque

He is against it personally... Apparently FAUX did not report it when he called the decisions wisdom into question.

I'd recommend you expand your sources of information... FAUX lies...

br8dybnch....You are a coward. First of all...the Muslim's claim that 911 and all other terrorist attacks have been carried out by a hand full of "Islamic Extremists" that the Muslim Community has no connection to. If that is true, and all it will take to smoke out this "Small Hand Full" of cowardly murders, is to burn a book...what are we waiting for? We have been at war for 8 years with the "Hand Full" of Muslim "Bad Apples" so lets burn a few books, get the cowards to come forward and we will terminate them on the spot. The Muslim's that openly condemn the "Hand-Full" of murderers should be supportive of the idea, since they have not been able to "out" the perpetrators for the last 8 years. Problem solved. No One will ever hold America Hostage again. If burning books will get them out in the open...Light Um Up.

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Dear Lord, please protect me from your followers.

We all need protection from these religious nutz. We really need to put rules on all church and religions. For starters, one church for every 50 miles radius. Where I live we have 5 of these gawd-awful places in our community and they are eyesores, and a nuisance.

All church and religions need to be taxed just like everyone else. They need to stop harassing the people, and using God, the Bible and their Religion to harass, bash and teach hate to their congregations.

Down with Religion! It's a farce that only wants your money. Wake up people, they now have drive-thru prayers where you can swipe a Credit Card or ATM and say a prayer. What a bunch of BS, and this only goes to show and prove, it's all about conning the people out of their monies, and it needs to be stopped!

Tax all Church and Religions:

Or how about the time when a New Jersey man rapes with wife, she presses charges, but since the man said he is a muslim, its part of this religion. So what happens? Judge says ok, charges dropped:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html

http://newhammer.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/man-rapes-wife-and-pleads-muslim-judge-says-okay/

http://www.islam-watch.org/Letters/American-Woman-Married-to-Muslim.htm

Another one, Muslims men gang rape boys and men because it makes them easier to convince to become suicide bombers. Why? Because being gay is not allowed in Islam, of course neither is it in Christian world, BUT, Muslim countries KILL HOMOS:

http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/01/-muslim-gang-rapes-man-in-manchester-center.html

Or how about a Muslim woman get a year in jail plus 100 lashes for her getting raped by a dude:

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?contentID=2009020828735&method=home.regcon

And you still support Islam? Hater and killer of gays, killers of American soldiers, killers of non-muslims.

To make things fair, burn 10x the number of Holy Bibles please. You people do it all the time and allow it. I'm not worried about it though because we have something called mass printing press.

Zaphod, your tirade against FOX News just shows that you personally have never watched it except in clips of Olberman and Stewart. Both comics trying unsuccessfully to be news men. FOX News has reported every word Obama has said and even the ones that dingbat Biden says. They may follow with a commentary but that's what makes people like Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Van Sustren commentators, unlike Olberman and Stewart.

First of all...the Muslim's claim that 911 and all other terrorist attacks have been carried out by a hand full of "Islamic Extremists" that the Muslim Community has no connection to.

Just like the Christians do with clinic bombings and doctor killers! Just like they WILL claim if these hand full of idiots burn books...

If that is true, and all it will take to smoke out this "Small Hand Full" of cowardly murders, is to burn a book...what are we waiting for?

Guess you missed the part where the images of intolerant and ignorant fools burning books will be used to RECRUIT new terrorists, and put our troops at GREATER risk. Then again, you do not care, because you are at home, safe and hiding behind the internet while calling other people names!

We have been at war for 8 years with the "Hand Full" of Muslim "Bad Apples" so lets burn a few books, get the cowards to come forward and we will terminate them on the spot.

but that is not how they fight, and if you were a vet, you would KNOW that... They hide, and ambush or send in a single person wearing a vest... BOOM....

. No One will ever hold America Hostage again. If burning books will get them out in the open...Light Um Up.

intolerance begets intolerance, hate begets hate.... eye for an eye leaves alot of blind people... you want to fight, ENLIST! But sitting on the side lines cheer-leading while others die is sick...

I'd recommend you listen to the teachings of christ...

I wish the media would just walk away from this Jones guy and not give him any more attention. That's what he's looking for, so just withdraw. His extremist move to burn the Koran is like the extremist Muslims who burn American flags. It's only done to inflame a situation and gain supporters who are frustrated. You could use either Jones or the name of a Muslim extremist here. These are just sad, ineffectual people who use religion to further their own distorted beliefs.

Zaphod, your tirade against FOX News just shows that you personally have never watched it except in clips of Olberman and Stewart

WOW, can you tell me what else I do with my time? OHH ALL MIGHTY POOBAH!!!!

Honestly, is that what passes for intellect in your family? Conclusions drawn from ignorant assumptions?

FOX News has reported every word Obama has said and even the ones that dingbat Biden says. They may follow with a commentary

The commentary where they tell people what they should think and feel about what part of the news that they have choosen to report! WOW, thanks for admitting to the context of my FAUX LIES statement!

Tell me, have they retracted their reporting based on those highly edited acorn videos yet?

NO... enough said... and that proves my point perfectly... heck, they have not even retracted or corrected the story where they reported Mark Foley as a Democrat!

Thanks for playing, have a GREAT day!

are you not tired of being told what to do by a muslim in the white house this is america remember the freedom you used to have

Couldn't burning the Koran on 9/11 (as a demonstration that could cause harm to our troops) be considered terrorism itself? I think the pastor needs locked up this weekend to help with the safety of our troops, and save this lunatic's life. The Koran should not be burned.

I wish the media would just walk away from this Jones guy and not give him any more attention. That's what he's looking for, so just withdraw. His extremist move to burn the Koran is like the extremist Muslims who burn American flags

Welcome to corporate media! It is news because it is controversy! IF it happens, it will be covered, if it doesn't happen, it will be reported that it did happen in the mid east, and that America is hiding/suppressing the video.

IF it happens... it will be politically linked to extremest aka TEA PARTY... and images of burn burning and American coffins will be available just in time for the November elections...

Even if the media doesn't cover it, some fool there will record the action with his cell phone, and post it on a blog or on youtube..

We are not at war with Islam. We are not at war with Afghanistan; we're trying to help them. We are engaged, as is much of the world, in a struggle between tolerance and cooperation on the one hand, and extremism, intolerance, persecution, and supremacism on the other. Few places, if any, are free of intolerance, but there are degrees. Nowhere are the forces of persecution and intolerance more pronounced than in the Muslim world, which is not to say that all Muslims are bad or all non-Muslims are good.

At its most extreme, this intolerance takes the form of bin Laden and his ilk, but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations dedicated to violent persecution of others in the name of Islam. At a more common, and less extreme, level, there are sentiments, such as this one reported by Pew Research a few years back, that in 'moderate' Indonesia, 10% of Muslims think the appropriate response to a Muslim converting to Christianity (or Buddhism for that matter) is to have the convert murdered. Not exactly tolerant, not exactly moderate, and not paralleled by any other religion in modern times, though the murder of Christians has been going on for 2,000 years and continues unabated. Still, that means that 180 million Indonesian Muslims do NOT feel that changing religion away from Islam should be punishable by death. It is factually incorrect and morally wrong to attribute prejudice, intolerance, and terrorism to all Muslims or to Islam itself. Nor is it correct to say that these same forces are present to the same degree or at the same level in other communities. They are present (just read the Newsvine posts about African Americans, Mexicans, immigrants, Muslims, etc., including many of the posts above), but they are not as pronounced. (They ARE just as repugnant, though, and both given the level of education in American and the cultural and historical context of our great nation, such feelings are perhaps less understandable here than anywhere else in the world.)

In the struggle between tolerance and intolerance, what is the best way to counteract extremist views and gain equal rights for Christians and others in Muslim countries? What is the best way to end the terrorist approach preached by al Qaeda, Jemaa Islamiya, and so many other organizations? Is it to burn the Quran, considered the Holy Book of 1.2 billion Muslims around the world? Is it to say that, although we believe in free enterprise and freedom of religion, that does not apply to Islam or properties owned by Muslims? Should we follow Sharia law in setting higher tax rates on those who do not share our religion? Should we burn the houses of worship of those who do not share our religion, as is done by so many extremist groups in the name of Islam?

Or should we embrace the vast majority of our Muslim brothers and sisters, who feel as we do? Should we show ourselves to be different from, or the same as, the extremists we so rightfully decry? The choice is simple, especially for those who profess to be Christian.

got paranoia?

Obama had to make the statement to placate his Muslim brothers overseas. It was either that or he would need to fly over and do some more bowing and apologizing to them.

How very different his stance is between the two wrong choices being made here. Pro Mosque vs anti burning. The very reason he supports the first to build is the same reason that the latter should be allowed to burn. Neither should be done out of common sense, but both should be allowed by law.

He either is a hypocrite, a Muslim supporter, or clueless as when to keep his mouth shut. I personally feel he is all of the above.

And you fools that think stopping the bible burning will save American lives must be living in caves or not have been watching the news for the last decade. They hated us then, they hate us now, and they will still hate in the future. Nothing short of total submission to them will end the killing.

It may be true that not all muslims are terrorists, BUT before you defend Islam too much, you should understand how it works.

Islam tolerates NOTHING else but Islam itself. It tolerates NO other religions, NO other values, NO other freedoms or form of government but those accepted by Islam (Islamic theocracy).

Islam seeks long-term to dominate and control all the world, including America. Everywhere they go, they start out quietly, until their numbers grow to a substantial minority - then they begin DEMANDING changes that comply with Islam, and become violent, murderous thugs until they get it. As their numbers grow, they will dismantle the system of the host nation until it is utterly subdued. It doesn't MATTER whether you believe in it. THEY believe in it, thus it is their goal. Period.

Everyone of the limp-wristed, spineless American appeasers who just say "don't offend them" is granting THEM the freedom to take OUR freedoms away.

Is this the kind of life you want to leave your great-grandchildren?? They will curse your name!

I was going to throw something in here, but there are plenty of nuts on the vine today. "victory mosque"? some leftwingnut claiming this is tied to republicans just because he's some christian whack job?

sometimes I think we deserve what we get.

To all of you who keep referring to Christianity as a religion, it is not a religion, it is a faith. There is a difference.

Islam is a religion, a bunch of rules and laws and punishments which must be followed to the letter. Islam does not permit free will. Islam is not about love, it is about vengence.

Christians worship a loving God, who wants to save us from sin, from ourselves. Christianity cannot be compared to any "religion".

Jones and his small gang of cultists - they made up their own denomination - certainly are doing this to garner attention. If you see them defending themselves in TV interviews, it's easy to spot the sophistries and ill-connected logic. These nutcases are also proud of bragging that they go about armed all the time, too.

If they decide to go ahead with this, a counter-protest is absolutely anticipated. Some folk will toss Bibles into their bonfire. Expect some folk to look for means of offering the same sorts of visible intimidation the way ultra-right teabaggers did last year - but for goodness' sake, let's hope those who show up have enough sense not to bring ammunition along. Best of all, of course, would be for NO ONE to be armed at this Bedlam Fair.

This madness of religious intolerance, ignorance, and ideological grandstanding really has to stop.

Jo-Anne stated:

Obama is a hypocrite. If he's against this pastor then he should also be against the building of the mosque. He has shown more anger towards the pastor and has shown more understanding to the mosque builder.

First, it isn't a mosque, it's a community center two blocks from where the Twin Towers stood. Do you even realize there are shops right on the same area of the Twin Towers making money off of what happened there? I think you should be more angry with that. Second, what this pastor is doing is inciting violence toward fellow Americans. It is illegal. I think he has been rather tolerant toward this man considering his obstinance.

muslims can't burn the bible beacause its a holy book and they do believe in the bible not only quran//////

to paraphrase those in defense of this pastor

Islam already hates us, our troops are already in danger, and this guy has a right, so why not?

The point you are missing is that by fanning the flames, this guy is putting MORE lives at risk for an unnecessary hissy fit. Sure, our troops are already at risk, but what about our Embassies, diplomats, aid workers, missionaries, businessmen, tourists, students, etc. from Morroco to Indonesia?

Here is the advice that "Zaphod-1916664" gave me: "I'd recommend you listen to the teachings of christ..."

Now here are some comments Mr. Zaphod the "Christian" has left for me:

"Hey, that fits you to a TEE! Amazing! Cowardly little Internet chicken hawk... Climb back under your mothers skirt where the dank musky skunk like oder reminds you most of home."

And..

"Thats all you have left? Seriously, You are out of league little boy lover."

Your words....Nice Job Promoting Christianity Zaphod...

Mohammad Mukhtar, cleric and candidate for Afghan parliament in Sept. 18 election:

"It is the duty of Muslims to react. When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

And this is what we are in store for. It is their duty! What is our duty? To keep kissing their butts and not standing up for ourselves. They are truly winning this world war at this point. They are using any excuse to kill. This burning, if carried out by this guy will probably cause much of the danger already here in the USA to be exposed. Then what is our duty?

Nothing ever good comes out of Hate

The real problem with this nut in Florida is that the media is covering this. Who really cares what some nut job has to say? If the media would not have made a big deal out of this no one would even know about it. This is a very small cult like church in south Florida way should it be getting national coverage? If the media reused to cover this the so called pastor would propably stop If you want to be angery you should be angery with media for giving this story life. If anyone is harmed because of this event you have to blame the media first. The media will say they have freedom of the press and speech, and they do ,but that is no excusa for stuipidy. This shows that the media does not have the best interest of this country and it's people at heart.

fame/ glory w/ media attention is all it's about anymore..it need Not be in good taste, in fact the more bizarre, the more level of gratification for the individual..No such thing as Reverence/ Respect anymore..it penetrated Our Government, Our Citizens/ Celebrities and even the illegals..No Such Thing As Pride/ Honesty and Honor..in All, through out this Planet, Many Have Become Disgusting Creatures From Hell, Top on Down...this preacher is down right foul, No better than any Leader or Terrorist of Violence..sorry, I despise Violent, Angry people, they ARE THE PROBLEM.............

Friends:

This entire thing is ridiculous, but as a matter of course, in order to have a "Bonfire of the Insanities", this nut-job, self-righteous, "true believer" will need to get a burn permit from the local Fire Department. Hopefully, they have a little better control over their emotions on this than everyone else.

By the way, in order for an Islamic Center to be built in New York City, it must get a building permit, which in NYC includes approval by both FDNY and NYPD before starting construction, so I would not worry about that little bit of stupidity either.

Good Luck!

Right wing media doesn't support what this guy is doing and neither do I.

The guy is going about it all wrong if he wants to make a statement. He should be petitioning to make a center for a new religion that burns Kurans near ground zero. He could claim to be a bridge builder for all non-hijacking religions. He could get the new Black Panther party members to guard the front door and openly declare the center to be for minorities. Then he declares a flaming kuran is art just like the crucifix in a glass of urine on exhibit. Liberals would have no choice but to support him then.

This is not a test of freedom, it is a slap in the face of every Muslim that did not attack us and it is certainly not Chirstian. The God I read about in the Bible would not tell this church to do such a thing.

Obama's own true feelings for Islam are showing thru!

Muslims burn synagogues and churches all the time, but has Obama ever even expressed concern??

There have been bible burnings across the muslim world for years. The most recent one was in Cairo about 1 month ago organized by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Paul West-541891...Obviously you don't have any family in the military. And HOPEFULLY don't have kids of your own. There is not alot someone can say to an idiot like you because you don't have the capacity to understand complex issues. In your world things are black and white. You don't think of the consequences of your actions before you act because that is the easiest route but you don't take in account that your actions might affect someone else or hurt someone else. SELFISH and SELF CENTERED. We need to isolate people like you and educate you. Then you can join the rest of us civilzed/real Americans that care about the wellbeing of our troops and tolerant of other religions. So with this said my friend, YOU are the coward. Cowards hide behind bravado masking their lack of knowledge and the feelings of insecurity. In reality you are SCARED and PARANOID of people who might appear different or have different views or follow a different religion. Get some balls and except our fellow Muslims as neighbors and condemn the actions of this so called preacher. STOP being a coward and man up. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS>

If Muslims start burning Churches and Synagogues in the U.S. we'll worry about the President's reaction, as is he is spot on and in a strange coalition that includes Sarah Palin,Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, the CAIR folks, the Pentagon and many others. Our goal is to take out the ISLAMISTS that attacked us on 9/11 (al-Qaeda) and provided them a base of operations (the Taliban), not create millions of more pissed off Radical Islamic Jihadists!!

The ignorance on this threa, and in America is STUNNING!! The hatred, ignorance, and evil is exposed in these responses. Islam is THOUSANDS of years older the Christianity. If America would be MORE CHRIST LIKE, there would be no poverty, hunger, homelessness, discrimination, racial hate, wars, greed, selfishness, or intolerance! America is a Nation of hypocrites, and fools. If this religious FRAUD burns the Holy Quran, there will be a price to pay for him, and America. We went to their land and BOMBED, PILLAGED, RAPED, KILLED, MURDERED, IMPOVERISHED Muslims!

I served in the U.S Military, and what we did to Iraq was a CRIME!! Our solders died in VAIN for bushcheney. Now the hate they instilled will boil over because were too stupid to realize we were lied to. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!

givastar, I agree. While I'm not defending Islam, I believe they have the right to religion as stated in the Constitution. And while the Constitution gives the right to free speech, there is speech that is not protected such as yelling "Fire!" in public when there isn't one or saying "Bomb!" in an airport. This type of "speech" is going to hurt Americans and our troops. People need to quit acting like children. All this sounds like is...

Al: Wahhhhh! He's gonna burn my Koran!

Sam: But Maaaaaaah, he burned my flag first!

I hate you!

I hate you more!

I hate you infinity! Infidel!

*Mom walks in* If you don't stop I'm gonna give a whoopin' on both y'all! Al, quit burning flags and threatening Sam - that's not nice. And, Sam, just because he burned your flag first doesn't mean you go off and burn his stuff. You need to be the bigger person and not stoop to Al's level. Mmmm-K? Now each of you go to your rooms and think about the Golden Rule.

Zephod, this sounds just as childish...

You right wing nut jobs, AKA Tea Party people, had better stop this fool yourselves..

If he does burn those books, the Dems will be able to connect you to him. As YOUR hate speech and hate mongering and anger, has emboldened this book burning fool.

Emboldening this tea bag nut job, is emboldening the enemy over seas.... Images of buring books and dead troops... Linked to Republicans... just in time for the November elections..

You know I think this is actually our government's first bipartisan issue. Sarah Palin has already asked for this pastor not to do this. So where are your hate and fear mongering arguments going to go now?

You have two accounts Not okay. Zaphod-1916664 and the oft-suspended Zaphod

I knew it tyler....I suspect he might also be known as "Momus"

Jim-736496

You guys that think Fox news would fuel a riot if the Bible was burned clearly do not understand the nature of Christianity or Christians. The Bible is simply a book, the religion of Christianity is in the heart. At its core is the ideology of forgiveness, compassion, and mercy. Now if you started to crucify Christians as you would like to do, then we might have something to say about that. You want to burn the Bible...go ahead and waste your matches. Nobody will care and nobody will come watch you burn the Bible. That would be a waste of time. The Bible is not God.

Right on the money.

You served in the military,mackman, and think that we instilled hate in Iraq?? Did you actually serve in Iraq?? Sorry, but I got a different impression on my second deployment. Our problem assisting the Iraqi Army with security for the January,2009 elections was just the opposite of hate. The happy Iraqis that thanked us with their purple stained fingers made it hard to maintain our watch.

Our Brigade was on the ground 14 months and lost 6 Soldiers, including 2 murdered after a community meeting and 1 suicide. Compared to 2006 when we lost 6 soldiers several weeks that was an amazing turn around. One of the reasons I strongly denounce this close minded act of intolerance is it adds ammunition to the Islamist's arsenal of hate for an act that I oppose under any circumstance. Book burning is unacceptable under any circumstances and while the Rev. Jones may have a right to do it that doesn't make it the right thing to do.

through out this Planet, Many Have Become Disgusting Creatures From Hell, Top on Down...this preacher is down right foul, No better than any Leader or Terrorist of Violence..sorry, I despise Violent, Angry people, they ARE THE PROBLEM.............

Agreed Jeeesus, maybe if this preacher heard this from you, he'd change his mind.

Looks like Tyler is busy today. What the church in FL is doing must be really hitting home no matter where you stand. Keep it civil.

In God We Trust

How about we get our comparisons correct here. If the Imam in NYC wanted to build the Mosque and then burn bibles in it, that would be a proper comparison. Otherwise it's rather different. Can't really compare a group that wants to build something on a location to a group that wants to burn a book. Their reasoning for doing something is different so it creates a different situation. Regardless of either situation though, the 1st amendment protects both actions.

If you start restricting particular speech based upon what you think the final results might be then what's to stop you from picking other forms of speech which you consider inflammatory.

Example: Rima Fakih first Muslim Miss USA. Should she be restricted from participated in the event because a Muslim dressed in barely any cloths could embolden terrorist?

By stating that you adhere to freedom of speech and freedom of expression you accept the fact that certain forms of expression will be distasteful. You also accept the fact that certain forms of speech will inflame extremist groups both inside and outside of the country. This can cause a increase in the number of casualties in a war. If you are unwilling to accept this, draw up a petition to amend the constitution to restrict certain forms of free speech such as speech against certain religions or speech which you believe shouldn't be permitted. I don't think you'll get past the petition stage....

Public leaders have to comment on things in the news.... otherwise they get accused of being out of touch with the public. If Obama, Clinton, Palin, or anyone else didn't comment on this you'd end up seeing hundreds of post about them not giving their opinion about a situation. Unfortunately the public craves useless details such as who thinks what about what pointless subject... Why do you think the biggest news story about a golfer was about his divorce?

I did enjoy the previous comment regarding size of the Muslim faith. I read reports of about 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world

If it was a religion bent on the destruction of the US or Christianity by any means necessary, you would have had many more dead Americans on 9/11. I mean... a little math here is useful. Assume 20 terrorist die to kill 4000. That means 1.5 Billion can die to kill 300 Billion... 50 times the human population. According to the starting logic of a decent number of posters here, we should all be dead 50 times over.

Anyone with a little common sense realizes that building a mosque over the ashes of innocent victims killed by mooslims in the name of allah is pure hate. Although the man burning a book in fl is wrong and hateful, he isn't killing anyone in the name of GOD and then building a church over their ashes celebrating their death! This is a great example that liberalism is a mental disorder! OK to defend one hateful act as a constitutional freedom, but trashing another act as intolerable even if the same constitution freedom applies to the other!

Mackman, Islam is not older than Christianity.

It was founded around 610-630 AD. The very specification of AD indicates that is after the birth of Christ, anno domini, "The year of our lord" in Latin. Christianity was founded about 35 years after, with the crucifixion of Christ but took a century or two to gain a foothold and shake off the ever present persecutions. Jesus is mentioned in the Quran.

Perhaps you were thinking of Judaism? About 2000 BC.

Funny in Obama's speech, he said "he hopes the pastor listens to the 'good angel'" ............go look that up, Islam believes in the good angel and bad angel on your shoulder............is this some of Obama's true beliefs slipping?

Mackman,

althought there are indeed many religions which are older than Christianity, for example Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, and Zoroastrianism just to name a few, Islam is not one of them. Muhammad, the founder of Islam was born in either the year 570 or 571 (apparently records from back then are not crystal clear) and died in 632.

oskar-1391552: Get your facts straight or don't spread your lies. The Muslim Envoy that you solely attribute to President Obama was first an envoy for the Bush Administration in 2007. He toured the Middle East on behalf of the State Department to help increase religious tolerance. He made two separate trips for the Bush Administration and has made two trips for The Obama Administration.

Your lies and misinformation are just the type of BS that starts these types of conflicts.

The Preacher and Those Idiots –

I cannot be a party this squabble between these two, I have no dog in this race, but, then if this stirs up the populace: Muslin, Islamic, Calvinistic, Anglicans, Quakers, Christians, Jews,….. somebody give me some help!!! Maharisohuhs, Hindu's, and Talibanies, screw you all, lock and load. Where is my gain? I get what? The oil was and will pay back the USA American People, now all of those raw minerals who will get the hundreds of Billions at the end of the day? Not those RussKies, No yellow man or effeminate Nordic God. NO the money goes to the people first and second to the people of the country (for the governance of the country), thirdly to split among the corporations and other interests. The way has proven true in Iraq and which over much time will prove true here. This is the last stand, after pulling out of Iraq as fast as humanly possible. These places are better left to the chief tribal leaders along with the Elders to come to decisions that concern these "people" and their common relation to third parties. Even the Iranians know to keep a low profile, but not us….Nope….."We" come in and knockout the counterbalance obstacle to Iranian hopes for a moderation of it s culture. Mission accomplished, again. The many riches, well, they must dealt with, these money is a fact of nature, must be allocated someway now "how" is this going to done, this requires a government, in least appearance. One like the Karazi family and friends, lots of friends, friends of fiends, friends of friends of friend, of friends of friends of friends, of fiends of friends of friends if friends of friends, and you know the rest. I have know of someone about to do business with Afghan-American part Pakistan, I meet Kandar and I leave thinking I wouldn't trust this guy.

Now the how to do manual is being "written on the fly" as we "work" our way thru all the machinations of these of complicated relations and how can we become some sort of overseer that pulls the strings. Did we try failed, that in Iran? OK maybe this time it will work, you see we are smarter know. Which, if any, South American countries, where we just sort of, you know rape the land…where is my link?

"Rich Minerals extracted at lowest cost (per LB. Per whatever) versus rank of "mineral companies and the bottom line, baby$$$ profit and dividends paid out including interest on corporate bonds any and all finances. By countries in 10 major exports of said country. Who owns what? Who is making what? What is the latest cost of the two wars at now and what are the options? It looks like we are doing what I suggested, which was to pull out into garrison formation, just wait and watch (Iraq). Hey a Cool Song just came on" how "appro pro"

God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I'll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the Dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
And so dear friends
You'll just have to carry on
The dream is over…….Lennon

Act2 let me try to explain... Both acts are protected as freedom of speech under the 1st amendment. Which means the government can't really step in and stop them. However, a group of people that had nothing to do with killing innocent people deciding to build a mosque is rather different from a pastor that wants to burn a book. If the people that orchestrated the bombing decided to then build a mosque over the graves of those that died, then you could argue that the two acts are similar. However, since you haven't tied the people building the mosque to the group that crashed the planes, your argument lacks any merit. The group that wants to burn the book is specifically trying to inflame others through a form of protest while the first group has many other possible reasons for wanting to build a mosque. I think what you're confusing is action/intent and your perceived action/intent. It would also appear that you think the Imam in NYC helped plan the bombings or help orchestrate them. So... I think you need to do a bit of research.

Think of it like this. Could I say that all Caucasians are evil and should be bared from having children because a couple of white priest molested little boys. One would clearly say no, that doesn't work. The white priest happen to share a characteristic with other white people but that characteristic isn't related to the urge to molest little boys. Similarly, sharing a religious faith with someone that does terrible acts in the name of that religion doesn't mean you share their zealotry. Members of the Ku Klux Klan often say they're Christian. Does that mean any other Christian should be looked at with the suspicion that they share the same racists views? Common sense would dictate a no response...

I am not sure how many of you have read large portions of the Quran, but having read about 60% of it, I found it riddled with enormous amounts of hated and death towards the Non-Believer.

Specifically the Quran teaches what is called: Muruna, Taqiyya, and Kitman. All three are tactics of deception in order to further the cause of Islam. Imam Rauf is fully aware of these tactics and so is the regime in Iran concerning their nuclear programs. Do not be foolish, They are making weapons grade uranium. Make no mistake about it!

Muruna: This is interpreted as "stealthy" or "flexibility" and refers to attempts by Muslim leaders to navigate through the world without really being noticed in order to advance their cause.

Kitman: Another form of deception and it involves "concealing the true intent for the betterment of Islam". Some may refer to it as telling half truths or omitting truths that will harm the cause of Islam and its ultimate agenda of a world dominated by Islam and its Shiria law.

Taqiyya: refers to what is called "Guarding their Faith" and this is achieved through lying.

Shoebat: Maintains the excuse that in Islam, lying is acceptable if it furthers their cause of Islam.

PragmaticToAFault -

It is true that Islam is subsequent to Christianity, the roots of both go far beyond the official establishment of a church. Some comedy was made of the close, almost exact, mythology of old and new testament parts of the bible that were identical to myths of a thousand years or more that were made, with a few changes into canon of the Christian church.

They took old myths and poured that old (the myths) into new wine bottles and said it was “new”. How much more clearly can I make it?

In short both religions are made up of a bunch of unadulterated pure 100% hogwash.

Good for a group a hug and maybe keeping your moral compass in line. Then make of it what you would.

I believe in the good and bad angels too, ever since "Animal House" !!!

It was his right to burn them. I don't think it would prove anything but it was his right. They burned the world trade centers in the name of islam? Now for the first time I disagree with obama, who gives a rats ass about making somone mad, those fools are trying to build a mosque near ground zero. I would have burned those dam books with a fire so big, they would have had to evacuate the entire state of florida because of the smoke. I am a christian who loves everyone but if they can burn bibles and kill christians and burn american flags we can strike a match too.

Nonnahs39, you say you're a Christian who loves everyone so you must be familiar with sections of the Bible correct? As a Christian, interpret these passages for me and what the mean.

Luke 23:34, Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Mathew 5:44, But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

Now, interpret this quote: "if they can burn bibles and kill christians and burn american flags we can strike a match too."

Just because you have a right to do something does not automatically make it the right thing to do.

Want free speach? go elsewhere, By my count 25% are being blacked out. What is this the internet access act + the Patriot act?

Whose gonna get a knock at the door tonight? Who is this moderator? Joe McCarthy? His spirt certinlly lives on tonight!

@therecanbeonlyone-1971642

When Hitler bombed London, Churchill ordered the bombing of Berlin within 12 hours.

If you knew anything at all about WWII, you would also know that the British RAF Bomber Command was incapable for most of the war of hitting anything smaller than a major city, and often not even that, and that the British bombing offensive against Germany basically amounted to little more than a campaign of State-sponsored terrorism against the civilian populace, with only nominal military value -- and that losses to Bomber Command crews were actually proportionately heavier than those of the German U-boat service. Between 1939 and D-Day in 1944, the best estimates are that 65% of Bomber Command's aircrew personnel became fatalities, and that 600,000 German civilians and 60,000 French civilians were killed without an appreciable effect on Germany's war production capability.

For those who think it would be a big deal if Bibles were burned, how many heard of how our troops were forced to burn Bibles in this news?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html

Of course it was their country. But...this is our country. I don't like burning books in general. I like to use my Koran as a reference so I would be forced to buy another if I burned it, for one thing. But I also don't do a lot of things that are allowed here.

Why aren't our schools teaching US Government and US History better than this? That is my question, for all those who don't understand how our country works.

Just a quick search, for those who didn't bother before making ludicrous statements about Bible burning being a big deal--I never heard about these till I looked for them, did anyone else? I don't blame all Muslims for this stuff, obviously, and I wouldn't dream of killing even these folks because of it either. Because my religion doesn't roll that way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6346662/North-Carolina-church-plans-Halloween-Bible-burning.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-05-28/world/bible.burning_1_messianic-jews-deputy-mayor-israeli-radio-and-television?_s=PM:WORLD

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html

http://justifythis.blogspot.com/2006/12/australia-muslim-students-urinate-spit.html

And Americans were bosom buddies with the middle east for years till George Bush Snr. got 'bright' and decided to try and undercut Osama'z father....you ppl need to read get your facts straight and stop eating propoganda from the media....

"And Americans were bosom buddies with the middle east for years"

Yep bosom buddies cut off our oil supply way before GB came around LMFAO most middle east countries hate America and have for years and still do.

Ricky, Ricky, Ricky cut off what oil? LOL...and yall just love these hijab wearing, quran readin, Allah loving middle easterns aint it? hahahaha....get off ur denial horse and face the facts....peace in the middle east hehehehehehe.......

Common we were bosom buddies. Are you serious After WWII who help Israel create a nation in the Middle East. I would say this created alot of Hatred since we all know most Muslims hate Jews. And you could go as far as back to Issac and Ishmael. Christians and Jew believe the Ishmael was a wild man and would be against all men and have all men against him. Therefore USA which was founded on Christianity and the Middle East predominately Islamic are mortal enemy's.

Justin these are the written situations ppl know of HOWEVER there are alot of secrets and secret relationships that American Govt don't divulge to their people...America's friendship with Sadam and Osama'z father being g8 examples...

Yep, it's somehow Bush's fault.

Who didn't see that coming?

rick,

"And Americans were bosom buddies with the middle east for years"

Yep bosom buddies cut off our oil supply way before GB came around LMFAO most middle east countries hate America and have for years and still do."

OPEC isn't all Middle Eastern; I believe some South American countries belong too. Anyway, "business is business". LOL.

MIKE IN NY : you are wrong......It does not say kill them........but even if you find some verse's that seem to imply that.... 99.7% of christians dont use them to justify even the belief that killing anyone is an christian thing to do ......its the hebrew bible(jewish)

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations -- the Hittites, Girga@!$%#es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you -- 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. (Deut 7.1-5)

Although it has been alleged that this passage promotes and condones genocide, it should be noted that the actions listed do not include physical violence against nonbelievers as opposed to their idols, but simply restriction of residency to the worshippers of YHWH.

For those of you who are saying NObama is allowing the mosque to be built, you are incorrect. He simply said they have the legal right to do so, even though it's not the right thing to do.

You don't have to go back to biblical times when the late '70s will do. How can one forget that while Jimmy Carter was President the Muslims held all the hostages in Iran?

Commonsenseaintsocommon

And Americans were bosom buddies with the middle east for years till George Bush Snr. got 'bright' and decided to try and undercut Osama'z father....you ppl need to read get your facts straight and stop eating propoganda from the media....

Really, “bosom buddies”, is that why they started killing American’s and attacking our embosses back in 1976, because Bush did something to them way back there?

Muslims bombed the marine barracks in Beirut ( wow, before George Bush), attempted to blow up the WTC in the 90's (damn before Bush again) bombed Khobar Towers in 1996 ( damn no Busha again?) USS Cole bombing (damn not Bush's fault again???) Lockerbie bombing in 1988,(nope not Bush) but it has to be GWB's fault , I just know it ,thats what all my liberal friends and Mr Maddow and Keith Uberman always say,So many Muslim crimes and not even GWB's fauly, damn how can that be??? ,,libs ,,I wonder how they taste with BBQ sauce?

Mr. Jones is putting himself in class with radical Muslims, and far below most Muslim/Americans who are not radical. Too bad there isn't a way to put a stop to this insanity. On both sides.

The President is a hypocrite, the Pentagon is a hypocrite. So its alright for the US GOVERNMENT TO BURN HOLY BIBLES, but not a pastor????

In Afghanistan, May 2009, US soldiers were ordered to burn Holy Bibles.

http://www.newser.com/story/59546/us-army-burned-bibles-in-afghanistan.html

http://www.examiner.com/christian-in-louisville/military-burns-bibles-sent-to-troops-afghanistan

http://www.redroom.com/blog/steven-robert-travers/pentagon-burns-soldiers-bibles

OH!!!

Here is another crazy one, so Pakistan police are allowed to kill men in their country who refuse to CONVERT to Islam PLUS AS A BONUS!!! THEY GET TO RAPE THE DUDE'S WIFE! WOW! ARE YOU REALLY WANTING TO SUPPORT MUSLIMS????

Knowledge is power, go look stuff up yourself before pointing fingers. Islam is a religion of peace? Really? Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

Newsvine article: http://mustikhan.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/23/4058343-dark-age-in-pakistan-muslims-burn-christian-man-as-policeman-rapes-his-wife-

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/pakistan-muslims-burn-christian-man-policeman-rapes-his-wife

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=134109

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201679.php

@Steve W in MD What Obama said was they have the Constitutional right to build the Mosque, he stopped there and refused to answer if it was the right thing to do. No one is saying they don't have the Constitutional right to build it really is just not the right and respectful thing to do! And Obama will not say that!

Sure, burn their Holy Book, THAT'LL sure make them think rationally before trying to hijack another plane.

CAN he do it? Sure.. SHOULD he do it? Only if you enjoy fanning the flames of hate and war.

now you have the right ideal god bless america

American4israel-

I read your links, and although I am Christian I would have to say that I understand why the govn't made the soldiers burn the Bible. If distributing those bibles that were written specifically to convert Muslims to Christians our gov't could have been looked upon as insult while we were in a war already.. and had the military send them back to the church that had the published the Bibles would have shipped them back possibly without the military seeing them. The troops would have been in more danger if the Bibles were delivered. We can not push our religion on anyone.
I feel that (being a Christian) if people choose to burn the Holy Bible then they will have to pay for that with God & Jesus. I am not their Judger, and neither should any of you. Please Pray that the Koran is not burned during the protests this weekend, I have family that is in Afganistan and worry about their safety especially if the protestors go through with this un-American, un-Christian, despicable act.

The Muslims are the ones who have fanned the flames. Muslims don't just burn Bibles - they burn Christians.

http://mustikhan.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/23/4058343-dark-age-in-pakistan-muslims-burn-christian-man-as-policeman-rapes-his-wife-

Why shouldn't we burn a few Korans? Why should we capitulate to their terroristic threats? Let's publish some Mohammed cartoons, too! Let the Muslims show their true character! When Muslims burn Bibles, and even when the kill Christians, Christians don't riot, destroy things, and kill people. But when you publish a few cartoons, or burn a Koran, Muslims riot, destroy things, and kill people. That is the difference. And we need to keep bringing out these truths, by burning more Korans and publishing more cartoons, so the world can see these Muslims for what they really are, and so the world will eventually stop tolerating these Islamic gurus of intolerance, death, and destruction.

Tell your President to stop inflaming Americans with his unconditional support of Islam while turning his back on Christan's then. He has caused this divide and need for some American's to stand up, while he is sitting down.

Your President is in favor of the Cordoba House and defended them using the First Amendment, now he is trying to take the First Amendment Right away from an "AMERICAN". If you allow that, what's next? No more Newsvine because it might "piss off" the enemy? Or maybe we just take all of the Christian and Jewish symbols down in America because it might anger the Terrorists? Or maybe we just completely eliminate all freedom for awhile to not inflame the cowards called "Muslim Extremists"? This needs to stop right here. We as a Nation need to take a stand and not cower...again... to the cowards.

wayne997

Sure, burn their Holy Book, THAT'LL sure make them think rationally before trying to hijack another plane.

CAN he do it? Sure.. SHOULD he do it? Only if you enjoy fanning the flames of hate and war.

Wow. You're repeating what the right has been saying for decades. Keep attacking Christianity on all fronts, supporting desecrations of Christian religious symbols in the name of "art", keep telling them they can't pray or have a moment of silence in some areas, keep telling them you're going to take the cross off of their family's burial sites, keep demonizing them as any horrible name you can conjure, etc and sooner or later you're going to drive someone over the edge.

This guy was driven over the edge and I guarantee you it wasn't Bush's fault. This is the shoe on the other foot. Not so comfy, is it?

Your President is in favor of the Cordoba House and defended them using the First Amendment, now he is trying to take the First Amendment Right away from an "AMERICAN".

ROTFLMAO! He is not trying to take away anyones rights. Your sad spin is pathetic...

Paul West-541891
Or maybe we just take all of the Christian and Jewish symbols down in America because it might anger the Terrorists? Or maybe we just completely eliminate all freedom for awhile to not inflame the cowards called "Muslim Extremists"? This needs to stop right here. We as a Nation need to take a stand and not cower...again... to the cowards

We are already taking all Christian symbols down in America because it angers the Atheists! Of course, in some ways, Atheists aren't much different from Muslims. For a Muslim, anything but Islam is intolerable. For an Atheist, anything but Atheism is intolerable. Keep the Ten Commandments out of the courtroom, and don't question evolution in the classroom. If these Atheists and Muslims think they have the truth, what are they afraid of? Let there be open discussion, and expression of opinions. If your ideas are the truth, that should come out as the result of the discussion. The fact that you feel a need to stifle any contraditory ideas or opinions tells of your insecurity. And we as a nation need to take a stand and not cower!

Now the Pastor has the attention of our President.

It has been said, he call the Pastor over the weekend. Is this what it takes to get our President's attention for him to listen to average Americans?

The Pastor knows he might die over this plan/act. Then he will be a Martyr to his religion.

This story has entirely received much to much publicity.

If this pastor feels that he has to step away from what his Bible actually commissions him to do (Preach the Gospel and Care for Jesus’ sheep), he should get all of his followers to picket outside of a mosque every time a radical Jihadist perpetrates an act of terror. They should carry signs that call peaceful Muslims to “actively” stand against radical Islam. Even if he feels that it is a false religion, burning their Quran, certainly will not convert them to Christianity (If that is what his bible commissions him to do).

Hey Rev Jones!! Here are a few verses from your bible! The first one explains exactly how you should take a poke at your enemies!!

Romans 12:20 On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Matthew 5:44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Peter 2:12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

Romans 12:17 Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men.

1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that no one repays another with evil for evil, but always seek after that which is good for one another and for all people.

James 3:13 Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.

Matthew 5:16 Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Proverbs 3:3 -4 Do not let mercy and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart. So shall you find favor and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

I would like to know how the plan of Quran Burning at this so called church if 50 people made international news in the first place. If this wasn't broadcasted on the news, the enemy would not have even know about it.

@ CARRIE-436182: Sorry, but the military screens everything that goes to the soldiers. They could have done this before they left the States. They did it on purpose probably for propaganda reasons and yes they could have sent back, why burn, why not in the trash, pass them out to the soldiers that would want them??? Again, propaganda. Two, doing the koran burning IS NOT going to endanger their lives anymore, that is more propaganda.

And guess who brought the light to this burning? The liberal media because they knew what kind of reaction they would get. More propaganda. Liberal media has never supported our troops.

I thought the USA didn't negioate with terrorists or bow down to other nations?

Isn't burning of Qurans comparable to the Muslims building a mosque near Ground Zero? Both are attempts at disrespecting the other. Obama then has double standards. Give in to the Muslims, but restrict the Pastor's right to a bonfire. Oh, that's right...Barack Hussein Obama IS a muslim.

for you fools that think the middle east hates america for no reason you are stupid, yes stupid. We may never find out the real reasons why things went sour but we do know that they did go sour between america and the middle east. I don't know whose fault it is or was but I bet it is somebody who's very rich and powerful fault. Those are the same people or types of people that get mad when we try to use our own oil in alaska. We have a saying "nobody's mad but the devil". if you want to know who the devil is just look at those who oppose leaving the middle east and bringing our troops home. They don't give a darn about fighting terror. If they did they wouldn't be so quick to make them american citizens.

Commonsenseaintsocommon, who was President in September, 1974 when TWA Flight 841 was blown out of the sky with 88 innocent lives lost?? It surely wasn't Bush. This was the first known instance of a Muslim boarding a plane for a suicide attack, TWENTY SEVEN YEARS before September 11th.

It would be nice to be able to talk some sense into people, but I know I'm wasting my breath. Here goes...

The pastor has a constitutional right to state his opinion, the media has a constitutional right to cover the story, and NO ONE can EVER be justified in killing over a book. With that in mind, lets consider my fantastic, yet plausible, hypothetical situation:

A thug robs a bank, but realizes he can't get away on time. Just outside the bank this thug grabs a passer-by, pulls out a gun, and holds it to the hostage's head. This is obviously a person of the most deplorable nature. What should be done? The thug does not deserve any special treatment or respect. Is it therefore OK for the police to tell the thug he's a $#!"@ing sack of &¿@!!, that his mother is a %@$¡ and that he'll burn in hell for all eternity for being such a #!%$&? How about the hostage,? Perhaps a well meaning "good samaritan" could step in and give the dirtbag a peice of his mind? Does that sound like a good idea? A criminal doesn't deserve the respect and dignity of a calm, well thought out negotiation, but the hostage does. How is what this loon in florida is doing any different in principle?

This particular loon is a bank robber in his hideout with a gun, threatening the hostage in principle, not in fact. That doesn't mean he couldn't try to find the person tomorrow, but if any person, anywhere, is a target for a crazy person, that isn't a hostage situation, that is a homicidal maniac situation. We have lots of them to protect against.

Oh, and by the way--it doesn't matter if you do what that homicidal maniac says, because he's a HOMICIDAL MANIAC, and he's going to kill someone. Whoever gets his attention and is within his grasp.

The reason comes second, not first, when you're a homicidal maniac.

Read my profile name....

Burning their book would be inflammatory. It would fuel their hate. They would strap on bombs and blow up me and my daughter. I hope the good church people reconsider.

Pianoesue...what God are you talking about. Thinking...they are going to blow you and your daughter up whether the koran is burned or not. How come you people refuse to understand the mission statement of islam...the "religion of peace" that has stated they will go on a killing spree if the koran is burned. How peaceful. You mean the "religion of peace" hasn't been on a killing spree for the last 60 years!!!! Where the hell have I been? I thought for sure they had been killing the infidels for many many many years. I guess I have been reading and watching fiction for the last 60 years.

LOL...What you said drips with earnest concern so I respect hat but Im just laughing at THE WAY you said it@Think Carefully...

Thank you for noticing!

All religions have radicals--all religions have killed in the name of their god or what have you. If you tell be that there have not been radical Christians who have killed in the name of god I'll call you a liar.

Okay, UMM, name for me an attack done by Christians that killed 3,000 people in one fell swoop. Or a decades long series of attacks that have resulted in the deaths of 25,000 people.

If you have to back to the Crusades and Inquisition, your attempt to nullify or justify violence done in the name of Islam will have failed.

UMM289921- yep, you are right... every religion has them. The question is: why do we toleratecertain ones and not others? We seem to think that if it is our enemy, then its OK to be radical, but if its our own against the enemy, we quickly need to shut them up so we don't upset and offend the enemy.

Not that I dont think its the wisest choice to burn these books, given that we already know the reaction of the religion of peace! Its not as if they need a reason to murder us.

I really don't agree with the burning. but It sound to me like the want to instill fear in us and that's just how they work.

Prag--

Know anything about the history of Central and South America? How about the indigenous people of North America.

Greta -

Let's say I don't. Provide dates.

Burning their book would be inflammatory. It would fuel their hate. They would strap on bombs and blow up me and my daughter.

Interesting...so when muslims hate, we should just let them have their way so they don't harm anyone (else) with their notorious murder and violence (the religion of "peace").

However, when Americans protest these murderous A-Holes, WE are being "INTOLERANT"!

Americans have become a bunch of lilly-livered, limp-wristed, weak-kneed sissies who are protecting the freedom of those who seek to take away OUR freedoms.

Wake up Americans! Your government is betraying you! Grow a pair and start fighting BACK!

UMM-289921

All religions have radicals

It's called humanity and religion has nothing to do with it. Listening to liberals you'd think there has never been a murder by anyone non religious.

Liberal media was what made this 50 person congregation international news. Even Hillary said she wished they wouldn't give it so much coverage. The libs are going to get alot of people killed by throwing gasoline on the fire.

LOL. You look for any angle to spew your hate on Obama. Please. Go to bed.

Dem - your rhetoric is just so used up. So you hate Obama (and yes, you do HATE Obama). We know this - it's your right to hate all you want to. However, it is eating a hole in your heart. If you claim to be a Christian, think about this - Jesus would be disgusted with your attitude.

If you honestly believe all your troubles will be over after the elections in November - no matter how they go - I've got sad news for you...

No, you guys really do look for any reason to hate on the president. Doesn't matter what he does in what form, you will certainly find a way to make it seem like he is a bad man. So, please do go to bed. You're probably up way past your bed time anyway.

Where is the Presidents outrage at the church group who protests at American Soldier funerals? Oh yea he would show his loyalty to Americans if he spoke up about a subject like that. Note to Obama, put America first.

The pastor is a radical right warrior trying to start a war. These guys are every bit as bad as any terrorist in Afghanistan.

Lucky thing this pastors in the US or he'd be beheaded. It's good to exercise your right to free speech or you'll loose that right.

You look for any angle to spew your hate on Obama

Obama brings it on himself with his F'd up thinking. We can burn the American Flag, the Bible, but not the Koran? Either our laws apply to all or they apply to none. Mr. President "cater to the Jihaddist" Obama, you're a disgrace.

All you lefties had so much love for Bush, right?

Stop being hypocrites. You preach freedom of religion (more like freedom from religion) and then when it applies to someone else other than you, it should be banned, stopped, and it's wrong.

I don't agree with this guy burning the Koran either, but it's his right. Just like you all agree the Imam has a right to build a mosque.

If it were not for the lefty media, this wouldn't be a story. Blown WAY out of proportion. He's got maybe 50 followers, but thanks to the leftwing media, he's got millions now.

Your time should be spent on the important issues - like what Michelle is wearing today, or what SpendBama will blow our money on next, and whether or not Rahm will become the new Chicago Mob boss.

ron avery,

re: post 5.8

While teabagging does involve nuts, it has nothing to do with politics (unless it is a politician doing it).

hazatone

LOL. You look for any angle to spew your hate on Obama. Please. Go to bed.

Does the term "Bush bashing" ring a bell for you? Pot, meet kettle.

I said from the beginning of his term that I would criticize the President were warranted and give credit when due, here he is spot on and it is because we have troops in harms way who don't need anyone making MORE enemies for them !!

Many ordinary Afghans are already weary of our presence, we sure don't need to piss them off and add to the ranks of the Jihadists with a despicable and disrespectful act. I oppose book burning by ANYONE. It is an act that needs to be in the past, along with stonings,beheadings and lynching. If the Rev. Jones can be talked out of this, we will have the legitimate moral high ground the next time the Islamists burn bibles or our flag (not that that will stop them) !!

Do you seriously think the people in Afghanistan would hear of this if it wasn't for our LAME STREET MEDIA turning this into something political?

I brought up the fact that I thought the media was using this to attempt to link Christian extremism to the mid term elections much like Abu Ghraib was 24/7 for 3 months in 2004 to try and discredit the Bush administration , and of course I was dismissed as "reaching". Sadly,even though the Pastor has now announced he won't go through with it, the damage may have been done since many on the fence Muslims in Afghanistan may now be willing to hear out the Taliban's message of hate.

the whole world is involed in this.. to just give this nut case a pass and let him go at it, is unthinkable.. you bet the prez and everyone else is involved in this and rightly so!!!!

This is an everyday occurance in muslimland. They burn flags, cutoff Americans heads, blowup cafes and the liberals scream insenitive because one person in US wants to burn a koran. liberal hypocrites

Yes, we do have freedom of speech, and freedom of religion in this country. But there is a HUGE difference between freedom of speech that enrages the ENTIRE GLOBE, and speech that offers a difference in ideals, and shines light on various aspects of a subject. This so called 'pastor' is fueling the flames of hatred by his speech, as well as by what he purposes to do. He's a COMPLETE MORON! He just needs to go sit down. I think that he truly is a MENTAL CASE. The fact that he has actually chose to 'advertised' his hatered of a particular religion with a large banner, shows that he is not a balanced person.

A so called Christian 'pastor' needs to be concerned with teaching his flock the fruits of the spirit, like 'love, joy, peace, kindness, long suffering, mildness...'etc. Instead he's inciting his flock into a religious frenzy, as well as others who are looking on. All his actions will accomplish, is to inflame an already delicate situation. Just because a person has a 'right' to something, doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right thing to do.

I fear for our troops, who may very well get the backlash of this ignorant, selfish, and hate filled act.