Most definitely hate the side by side of Obama and Palin. Despite her high profile it is my feeling that she does not speak for most Rep/Independents/Anti Obama people. Could be wrong but I don't think so. As a Conservative/Independant, I think a face-to-face debate between these two would be a complete bloodbath.
A Palin nomination would be a disaster for the Conservative movement IMO. Akin to the McCain and Dole nominations. A Christy/Rubio ticket would get my attention!
I curse the day John McCain brought the scourge of Sarah Palin to us. I changed my party affiliation after the election from Republican to Democrat. I've been a Republican since 1977. This woman is a complete moron and the conservatives are a bunch of lemmings about to jump off a cliff if they keep following her.
Why not? I cannot stand what the Republican Party has become. A bunch of far right bible thumpers who are more worried about their invisible omnipotent friend and abortion than they are about leadership. They vote for demagogues not intelligence.
you lib please leave us now-your less than truethfull and we dont want you contaminating us! maybe you should go to cuba where you will be happy with your lib socailist ways!! this is the tea party you lefties in our party must be weeded out period-the american public must know were not voting for some left leaning person period!! vote tea party were takin america back!!
GWB ruined me. The man was an idiot. Sarah Palin is an idiot. Do they not have ANY intelligent people to lead that party? I'd go back in a heart beat if they did because the Pelosi crowd sickens me even more. And Barbara Boxer???? I mailed in my ballot already Carly Fiorina got my vote.
Back on point (rather than other regular jabs at Palin/Obama). I believe these visits do nothing other than providing local residents a chance to come to an exciting event. Voters have typically made up their mind at this time. Vote changes this close to a major election only happen when a major news event occurs which changes the way we live. There have been announcements - such as economy and employment and foreclosures - which have been bad news. But, not enough to change voters.
Oh, and by the way limbaughger, the 5th grade called. They said your home schooling didn't stick and they want you back so you can learn to spell, punctuate and put a cognitive thought together in a sentence.
Don't forget, havin SP as VP on the Rep ticket was the only thing which made the election as close as it was. Without her it would have been an even bigger disaster. And if you think the Prompter-in-Chief would whip her in a faceoff you have a short memory. She went head to head with Biden and did just fine. If you don't think she's the point woman of the conservative movement, then who is? C/R would be great.
Obama is right about one thing. We should not return to the "failed policies of the past," because 21 months of him has been utterly brutal.
Jim,
If you indeed did as you say then you were nothing more than a RINO anyway. Enjoy yourself in the Party of No Good. The 'lemmings' are following her all the way to a landslide on Nov. 2.
Occam's Razor you are probably right, but all the polls show a large amount of "Undecided" out there. Maybe people just don't want to answer when asked. I made up my mind and mailed in my ballot already and interestingly enough I voted mostly Republican except for the 50th district race here in San Diego County. Brian Bilbray is a carpet bagging former lobbyist who does not belong in that office. Unfortunately his Democratic opponent is even more useless so I wrote in "None of the above".
+I don't like the bible thumper tea partiers or the dems. I would vote libretarian but then nothing could get done because the house and senate would stop anything they tried to do, so election day, the hell with both of them
I guess Americans are fearful because Palin and the other smirkiing twits at FOX have been feeding them misinformation and making them fearful. This has been a strange year in politics – with the party of NO Ideas blanketing the internet with ridiculous right wing propaganda and petty complaints, which seemed laughable and pathetic until it gave rise to a whole movement of imbeciles electing some of the most clueless candidates in history. Don't any of these teabaggers read or ever come in contact with intelligent people?
Joe - LOL, I think the Biden/Palin Debates were more a reflection of the deficiency of Biden than the prowess of Palin. Obama is another story and, mark my words, he would clean up the floor with her despite his bankrupt ideas. IMO she is not, and never will be, ready for prime time. Age addled McCain brought her in without even knowing what or who she was and, as a Conservative who is not necessarily Republican, this is but one of my many disappointments with McCain.
Palin for President is fine with me. Why not. Then her husband could go on DWTS.
Studies over the years have shown that in major elections, the Undecided tend to follow the Known vote forecast - with a variance a little bigger than the polling error for that particular election. Thus, if a polling shows a 55/45 forecast, the Undecideds will typically follow the same forecast.
What throws this off? An unhappy voter. Unfortunately, the past few years include a large number of voters that are voting AGAINST a person, rather than FOR a person. In this case, the Undecided will still follow the expected pattern, with a bigger margin for error. (That should make the mud hole a little clearer)
She's on the lectern Crowing and Cackling: "Soon we'll all be dancing!!" "Obama should be apologizing to 15Million out of work!" From One of The Architects of Republican Criminality Comes the admission of Her OWN Guilt. The Bushy Shrubber Reign PUT 25Million Americans out of Work SarinGas!! And NOW, Palin is asking US to bend over so The Republican TeaBags can Legislate "The Pledge To America", their most Vicious, Audacious and Criminal RipOff EVER Put on America AND WHICH WILL Increase US Unemployment to 30% while these POLITICAL CRIMINALS Live In THE LAP OF LUXURY.... The "Tea Party" NOW is IT?? Ahhhh....The craftiness of the Republican Party, a collection of the world's running sores, Pedaphiles, Perverts, sociopaths, war mongers, crooks, criminals and con artist snake oil salesmen, BOTH In Congress and the Boardrooms, with ONE THING IN MIND.....I Want ALL The Money!!!...ALL THE MONEY!!!! And They don't care HOW They Get It!. Let the ends justify the means!!..... the Republican Party has earned such a Demonic, Seedy, SINISTER and Totally Disgusting reputation! SO! Do what others have done....Change your name and approach!!!
The "Tea Party" invites The Hurting Class and the Greedy Haves to their ranks with a promise of "change" from "Commie/Socialist" Prez O. Well Surprise VOTERS!! If You Fall for Their Spinning Lies and RANK DECEPTIONS and vote the "Tea Party" INTO POWER, which is the MILITARIST IRON FIST of the Republican Party, They ARE GOING TO Give US A Taste of REAL HURT, BIG BIG TIME!!!!! Like: Unending Wars in Afghan, Iraq, Iran, Somailia, Yemen, Pakistan and anywheres the Rich Republican Industrialists can Ply their Trade and Weapons For HUGE PROFIT While the Blood of America's Youth soaks into the soil. How About: NO Healthcare AT ALL !!!! That's right!!!, You Are Sick??? Die QUICK!!!!, That is Unless You are Wealthy; How About: Minimum Wage reset at $1.00P/Hr with burger flipping jobs for all!!! How About: Hey!, Oh My God!!!, What happened to my Social Security Check, I am OLD and MY LIFE Depends on those Funds??!! GONE! Republican Teabags controlled congress and "Phased Out" Social Security for the Republican industrialists profiteering and their "war effort". The Republican Rich are tucking away YOUR Social Security Money into their TAXFREE Pockets!!! They Are SARDONIC CRIMINALS!! Remember?? And YOU ARE Sh@fted Voter!! How About Republican Wall Street Getting control of ALL Banking in America, through leveraging and buy outs and YOU are watching them TAKE Your Money out of Your accounts VIA Phony trumped up "Fees"! THESE Are Just a Few of what's in store for US if the REPUBLICAN "Tea Party" gets hold of America's Reins of Power with NO Controls......Remember Their Boy Bushy!!!!!!!, His father's IDIOT SON, Who DE-REUGULATED ALL Controls on Corporations during the SHRUBBER REIGN 2001 - 2008?? Just look at The CATASTROPHE Bushy and his Republican Party PUT ON US!!!!! Just what do you think is going to happen if You Vote the Republican TeaBaggers into Power to make and carryout laws Again! They're not going to vote more money into Social Security Retirement Funds for the old and infirm, That's for sure!!. They'll dream up some euthanasia scheme to get rid of the old folks so they can stick their money into their own pockets! Better Dead than Fed!! Be Careful People, Be Very Very Careful what you vote for! The Republican Tea Club sociopaths are Mercilessly Brutal Criminals with NO regard for America or Her People.
Giving ANY Power to the Republican Tea Club is asking Dracula to guard our BloodBank
Limbaughger - You are are miserable Troll, an ignorant liar and, obviously, a paid operative for some other cause. It's evident that all you are about is to present a picture of Tea Party people as ignorant and biased. To all, look what this operative posted on another thread!!!:
It looks like Oba-a-a-ma and the Democrats are the ones hoping for short memories. Their stimulus is still not working. Bank bailouts are fresh in our minds and having Oba-a-a-macare forced on us seems like it was only last year. Oh, that's right, it was.
Oba-a-a-a-ma says
"This election is a choice between the policies that got us into this mess and the policies that are leading us out of it,"
And he's right about that. His policies got us into this mess and conservative policies will lead us out of it. Do the Democrats have "amnesia" and can't remember that the economy only turned south after the Dems took control of Congress? Do they remember blocking the Republicans from stopping the stupid policies of Fannie and Freddie. We remember. I think they do too.
The whole argument of the Dems having the house for so long is bunk. You need how many votes to get something passesd ? O.k once you answer that you will see that does not make a difference. Also the whole " stimulus/bailout " argument is bunk also since Bush was the one who put it through Obama is the one who had to sign it, and besides even your beloved media whore Palin even said on tv that the bailout was nec, but now for some reason they are acting like they were against it the whole time. And now it seems the very same people that ridiculed the stimulus are asking for money for their state.
Oh and by the way Palin and Mccain was for the bailout and spoke highly of it and now for some reason acts like they never were. Google more links if you like about it. Here is just a few.
You know they just tried to get a bill passed to get our companies to stop outsourcing our jobs and the Reps in the land of no (who seem to have the minority in the house) voted against it,gee i wonder why ? No surprise there. This bill would have gave incentives to bring our jobs back and stop the outsourcing of our jobs, and the Republicans voted against it.
When I vote this coming month i am voting to try and change the way things have been done in the country for so long and change it for the better, not to roll back the clock and let us go down hill. And if you ask me these obstructionist should be fired for not doing their job for these past few years.
We had two wars, the recession, the wall street collapse, the mortgage and housing crisis, CEO's outsourcing our jobs, a massive drug war spilling over to the US, And you mean to tell me they wont vote on anything and all they can come with is a pledge from Newt that was made back in 1994!!!!! Sorry but that is not doing their job for the American people. When I vote this coming month I am voting for:
Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Voting for Republicants and Demoncrats over and over again expecting to get our Freedom back is INSANE, by the very definition of the word. How anyone cant figure this out by this point, boggles me.
So anyone who votes for either of these treasonous partys needs to go check themselves into their local mental institution.
Palin is a cheerleader, not a player on the field. And let me say [even though I am Republican] Reagan raised the deficit higher than anyone up until his time, only to be topped by Papa Bush, Baby Bush and now Obama. Where was her crowd's concern during the 5 Republican presidential terms where the deficit was ever-growing? Why is it only critical now that there is a Democrat in the WH?
Sarah Palin. Don't listen to these guys on the blog. You go girl! Keep talking and talking and talking. Run for president and show these guys that you "will" become the Republican nominee for President for 2012 and to hell with them.
The LA Times makes a good point: Palin's approval ratings are up to 43% from 40% in July (with one poll currently giving her a 47% favorability rating), while Obama's have slipped to 48%. It's possible both Obama's and Palin's approval ratings will be about equal in the very near future.
I'm disgusted with these Harvard grads trying to run a country..no experience just a bunch of ivory tower types telling you whats best for you ..liberal idiots that never did a hard days work in there lives . now they know whats best for you .. BULL ..only thing there good at was spending daddies money.. and now there spending yours the tax payer money ..and getting nothing in return . as the saying goes .. ((( if you have you eat ...if you don't have you eat better )))and the numbers prove it ..more welfare ,,more food stamps,,more medicaid and after almost 2 years of jive talk-en you ,,your still blind to the crap hes telling you, wake up people these career politicians must be put to rest........
If people remember McCain lost alot of votes at the last minute when he said he was going to cut social security benefits. If it were not for that statement he just might have been POTUS as he lost the elder vote at that point.
I spent a couple of hours at the CA Republican Party campaign office today, primarily to get Republicans to vote for Meg Whitman.
As an independent, I CAN NOT VOTE STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN.
I support Prop 19 and want marijuana to be legal.
I WILL NOT VOTE for Steve Cooley for Attorney General. He spends his time fighting marijuana smokers - completely ignoring sex offenders and chemical drug abusers who are the real drug addicts.
U of M fan, you go crawl back into the hole where you belong and watch Glen Beck. Has everyone gone insane, good god, Tea Partierscomplaining "Obama this" and "Obama that", super left wingers going crazy, and Obama is in the middle trying to hold this country together(hmm wonder if he ever tried duct tape). Palin is a grade "A" DUMBA$$, I wouldn't trust her to work at a McDonalds let alone be president. It seems that the only people who are sane in the government is the miltary. Thank god John Stewart and Stephen Colbert are holding the rally to restore Sanity and/or Fear. I really hope that it does restore sanity(and some fear).
You betcha Karen. There is no amount that the corporations wouldn't pay to get Sarah Palin to keep on duping the teabaggers into supporting corporate interests. Palin is selling herself short to only expect $150,000-$250,000 per speech.
This is what our great nation has become a bunch of Whiners on both sides, this is exactly how our government is, do you all seriously think anything can get done with a bunch of cry babies in the senate and congress, maybe its time to put down that Drink and that Pipe and look around ....
Don't you have to laugh at the skeleton avatar of "Jim" that newsyvin features so prominently and selectively? Whether the skeleton is a seasonal theme for Halloween or the appropriate symbol of his fleshless and dead ideas, the skeleton avatar is definitely a propos.
The skeletal liberal death march ends on Nov 2. Americans want JOBS not a continuation of the liberal Congress and liberal figurehead's tyrannical, bankrupting and barren agenda that will make most everyone as hungry as a hound and lifeless as a skeleton if it continues.
Vote out incumbents in 2010. And 2012. Hurry up Nov 2.
Jim 356239 - you obviously are a liberal: narrow minded, ignorant, and intolerant of those who disagree with you. Sarah Palin is not the entire Republican party. I am proud to be a Republican and well-educated enough to know that I am capable of thinking and doing for myself instead of relying on the government to provide for me. I think for myself, therefore, while it's still legal (unless the liberal fascists take it away), I vote Republican!
Jim-356 - often people who misspell are upset and post without using the spell check feature. The second thing I've noticed is that sometimes after posting and wishing to change the post realize that spell check was not used, sometimes the edit window won't save. Might be because of the heavy traffic or the size of the seed may overloading the PC.
Hey Mike: If campaigning on the public dime is acceptable to you, then this country has no chance for reform. Just because "that's the way it's always been done", doesn't make it right or prudent.
It's attitudes like yours that continually accept the crap dished out.
Occam's Razor - Studies when taken as whole show what you said to be true. When they are seperated out to the mood of the voters a different story emerges. On a status quo election or the happy with those in charge is proceding, a larger portion than average vote for the one who is ahead. On an angry voter election which this one and the last one were, the incumbent polling with less than 50% in the last two weeks most likely will see a much larger undecided break for the challenger.
ByOurExample, What are you just saying? The State of Alaska's financial situation is in a hell of a lot better shape than a lot of other states. Including Ill,(your boys home state,whatever!) and California,so I'll drink to that. Cheers
and you think that democRATS are intellegent??????? they are so stupid and so is obama. he doesn't deserve to be called president. he will always be obama.
To BlueCollarBlogger - If Palin had stayed in office, you may be able to compare poll numbers for Obama & Palin but until the woman holds a [prominent] elected position without quitting, the numbers are not comparable. The truth of the matter is that she quit a post she was elected to and so her poll numbers are as a cheerleader, not as a leader.
I sure hope you realize the Democratic Party has been changed to "Progressive Liberal Party" even though you may have changed it to Democratic on paper.
Welcome to the party of smoke and mirrors and do it my way agenda.
A prime example of this Administration is the Department of Homeland Security who stated that the borders were never safer.....yet.....our major cities are being overrun by drug cartels and the DHS wasted about $ 10,000,000,000 on a Boeing virtual reality fence which only covers about 53 miles of the U.S.~Mexico border.
Another, everyone in the Administration is saying the Stimulus is still working.
And, we will keep jobs in the U.S. even though the administration let Government Motors (GM) infuse $ 4,100,000,000 during the last four years upgrading GM plants in Mexico and are planning on using $ 400,000,000 to upgrade another plant for a new, unamed, electric vehicle and save about 1,000 Mexcian jobs.
Further, the White House Economic Advisory Team (what is left of it since most high tailed it out of Dodge) is saying the economy is rebounding.
Finally, the President and all his merry men/women is saying the unemployment rate will go below 8.0 %.
But, don't you worry. Mr. Obama has all his Czars, Unions, and special interest friends running the government.....it sure isn't him nor our Congressional members.
Yep, you got a lot of smoke and mirrors to contend with now.
Where is bush??? OBAMA 2012!!!!!!! We the progressive majority are leading the country forward. Repugs need to go to school to learn how to listen to the majority. Repugs need to learn to respect the wishes of the majority. Repugs are desperate!! http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/22/poll-obama-approval-jumps-dems-more-fired-up.html NEWSWEEK Poll: Obama Approval Rating Jumps, Democrats Close ‘Enthusiasm Gap’As the president’s numbers climb sharply, results suggest that Democrats may be succeeding in firing up their base. Obama feels the love at a Seattle rally for Sen. Patty Murray.Despite doom-saying about Democrats’ chances in the midterms, the latest NEWSWEEK Poll (full results) shows that they remain in a close race with Republicans 12 days before Election Day, while the president’s approval ratings have climbed sharply. The poll finds that 48 percent of registered voters would be more likely to vote for Democrats, compared with 42 percent who lean Republican (those numbers are similar to those in the last NEWSWEEK Poll, which found Democrats favored 48 percent to 43 percent). President Obama’s approval ratings have jumped substantially, crossing the magic halfway threshold to 54 percent, up from 48 percent in late September, while the portion of respondents who disapprove of the president dropped to 40 percent, the lowest disapproval rating in a NEWSWEEK Poll since February 2010.
Hey, you've gotta give Bible Spice some credit. At least being Governor of the most prolific of federal welfare states, until she quit, she knew how to suck off the teat of mostly blue states to take care of her constituents.
The US Constitution was a response to the toothless Articles of Confederation that was formed as a knee-jerk reaction to the strong dictatorial Central Government of England. The country was on the verge of Civil war started by states levying Tariffs on each other.
The constitution was written by both basically Federalists (Pro big, powerful government believers) and Democratic-Republicans (By the people - small government). The Federalist party crashed in a matter of years because people did not want that strong of a government. liberal at that time meant limited government and freedom from government interference.
The Democratic-Republican party split into Three parties.
The Republicans (compromisers - didn't last long).
Democratic Party (Andrew Jackson Democrats). They wanted a strong Federal government, and particularly in the south were the big supporters of slavery. for years they successfully manuvered congress to keep enough states admitted to the Union to be designated as slave states.
The National Republicans (Limited Government and liberty for all) - Became the Whigs - which when they Fell apart because of in-fighting and losing power in Congress in 1850, the remnants formed the Republican party
Neither the Democrat nor the Republican party are the same as they were in 1850.
Palin was more concerned about promoting her reality show than representing her so called political party. She is in this for the money not the people. She has been sitting in the Alaskan cold a little too long. Momma Grizzly is more like Momma capitalist.
I cannot believe you take a Newsweek Poll as truth, nothing but the truth, so help me (yep, I am going to say it) God !!
You may want to take a closer look at other polls....what a great idea.
Don't forget to vote for Fiorina. However if you have a Freudian slip and vote for Boxer, make sure you get her aide to give you some of that "pot" to make you feel better after you vote. Oh, ask Barbie to call you General.
momipapers "If Palin had stayed in office, you may be able to compare poll numbers for Obama & Palin"
If Palin was still in office, some Democratic lawyer would be suing her over the color of the shoes she wore, or the model of car she drove. The Democrats were trying to tie her up with frivolous lawsuits so she would spend the rest of her term in court, and Alaska's antiquated legal system made that possible. Just google "Palin sued over" and you'll see what I mean.
She was right to resign, so that she could be a real pain to the Democrats, and prosper financially as well.
Maybe none of our leader can lead because private multi-national corporations actually are the leaders. The government can't be the expert, innovative, creative solutions generator type of an organization/entity like private corporations are. On the other hand greedy multi-national coproartions control such a mass majority of control over our economy AND at the same time are becoming ever so more aggressive in an effort to boost market share/stock.
Personal responsiblity does not seem to apply to the representatives that 'WE THE PEOPLE' elect into office. Otherwise they might crack open their Congressional Pension fund and PERSONALLY repay some of OUR PENISON FUND aka Soical Security they have 'borrowed' from for the pet pork barrel projects over the years? Instead of our represenatives raising funds for their next election maybe they should be raising funds to help pay off some of the national debt?
'It is time for us to realize that we're too great a nation to limit ourselves to small dreams. We're not, as some would have us believe, doomed to an inevitable decline. I do not believe in a fate that will fall on us no matter what we do. I do believe in a fate that will fall on us if we DO NOTHING.'....... Ronald Reagan
Alot of Registered Democrats and Republicans I know are planning on not voting anymore.
People want good jobs not outsourcing or welfare, people want good schools not work visas, people want good food not deregulation, people want safe communities not riots, people want their religion not yours or none at all, people want to love with out your approval, people want freedom!
Our problems are Economics. We are not lacking Resources.
the only campaigning Sarah Palin does is on her back! That's all she's got to offer to the rethuglicants and tea baggers. She quit on the people of Alaska.
Seemingly, there are people who follow BO no matter what he says or does. It's almost like a cult following. His pitch seems to have went from ---it's all GWB's fault to----the policies of the past. Same message, different package. He was and is the presse's golden boy. In contrast, the press tore Sarah Palin apart, her daughter, her family, every move she made. Fact is, they made a martyr out of her. Now, it's coming back to haunt them. She packs them is and can pull as many as BO can. BO's not running and neither is she. People look at this as a referendum on BO. Truth is, it really doesn't matter for him. He couldn't handle 40 Republican Senators. What'll he do with 50?
It must be very difficult to be an Obama liberal, seeing the totality of your political world, the basis of your views fall apart. Obviously the ideal of acceptance of other views went out the window with the firing of Juan Williams, and then have the chairman of NPR make such insulting comments rips the mask off liberalism. Couple that with NOW and their treatment of Meg Whitman, Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell and even Hillary, and you see that liberalism is a facade. Either you walk in step with the liberals up and down the line or you get damned. No room for independent thought
President in Minneapolis "All they've got is the same old stuff that they were peddling over the last decade," Obama said of Republicans. "I just don't want to relive the past." He said: "The other side is betting on amnesia. It is up to you to show them that you have not forgotten."
yup, the good ol past, when we all had a job, spending was bad, but not close to as bad as it is now. when i could afford to live on a fair wage, pay my bills, and if things got a little slow, and i was laid off.... find another job within a weeks time. When finger pointing was more to "ya see that?" and not it's all your fault on both sides of the fence, but i'll have to say it lies on the dem's side for 90% of this. They had control for the past 6 yrs, and i hope no more for a long time to come.
I curse the day John McCain brought the scourge of Sarah Palin to us.
of course you know Mac, didnt pick her, it was some dork on the republican committee right? even so, she would have been a lot better than Biden, lol. She was running on the vice ticket, not the presidential, and look at all the WONDERFUL things Biden had done so far! Best of, reassuring little kids, "Nobama the Clown is really cool!"
Meantime the only hope the dem's have is Nobama the Clown on another US tour, in the mists of hopes to save their sorry azzes, and a lame attempt to bribe the seniors, as if they are too slow to understand whats going on, lmao!
i tell ya this, seniors maybe a little slow moving, ( i always show respect, and patience if needed), but they are not stupid, or slow minded. Actually most still seem to be smart as a tack, so no worries there either. My gramps knew when some fool was trying to pull the wool over his eyes, and i exspect the seniors of today do as well!
8 days to go...... tick.......tock.......tick.......tock......
I do not understand how one can think that Obama's ratings will help unpopular Democrats.
I am voting for Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina. There is no way that I am voting for Jerry Brown or Barbara Boxer.
I am also voting to legalize marijuana (the Reps say no but even yesterday when I was speaking to Reps to remind them to vote, a Rep told me she says YES on legalizing pot). I secretly smiled because I was using the Rep's office's phones to make calls.
I AM NOT VOTING FOR STEVE COOLEY for attorney general. He spends too much time chasing pot smokers and not any time apprehending child molestors or real drug addicts using heroin, cocaine and meth. He would be worse than Jerry Brown in that office.
I am voting for the Democratic Assemblymember (state legislature).
Start voting like you're in the 21st century. VOTE FOR PEOPLE AND IDEAS, NOT PARTIES.
If Palin was still in office, some Democratic lawyer would be suing her over the color of the shoes she wore, or the model of car she drove. The Democrats were trying to tie her up with frivolous lawsuits so she would spend the rest of her term in court, and Alaska's antiquated legal system made that possible. Just google "Palin sued over" and you'll see what I mean.
She was right to resign, so that she could be a real pain to the Democrats, and prosper financially as well.
No kidding. Any private person would have been able to counter sue for frivolous lawsuits but because Palin was governor, she had to go through the process and IT WAS EXPENSIVE.
The people who don't like Palin are just jealous.
And to the person who said that Palin had more experience than Obama and that is why she makes more money - No kidding. Why did you use the word "but?" It made your post sour grapes instead of a a point.
In case you had not heard, SOOOOOO many people said that Palin was inexperienced compared to Obama. That is a bunch of hooey. Palin has always managed more money than Obama.
Being a governor is actually the best training for a president, since they actually have to run an entire government which typically has similar agencies as a counterpart to each Federal agency. It requires real executive experience and an ability to delegate. That's why Reagan was such a successful President, after serving 2 terms as California Governor.
Senators, by contrast, don't run anything, and are just 1 of 100 Senators that merely vote on bills. No executive experience required.
Obama was merely a 'junior' Senator with no experience at all, and it certainly has become obvious in the last 2 years.
u of m I agree with all you said except I'd love to see President Obama in a debate with that twit, he'd make mince meat of her simply because she's so damned uneducated...
OBAMA 2012!!!!!!! We the progressive majority are leading the country forward. Repugs need to go to school to learn how to listen to the majority. Repugs need to learn to respect the will of the people. Repugs are desperate!! http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/22/poll-obama-approval-jumps-dems-more-fi red-up.html NEWSWEEK Poll: Obama Approval Rating Jumps, Democrats Close ‘Enthusiasm Gap’As the president’s numbers climb sharply, results suggest that Democrats may be succeeding in firing up their base. Obama feels the love at a Seattle rally for Sen. Patty Murray.Despite doom-saying about Democrats’ chances in the midterms, the latest NEWSWEEK Poll (full results) shows that they remain in a close race with Republicans 12 days before Election Day, while the president’s approval ratings have climbed sharply. The poll finds that 48 percent of registered voters would be more likely to vote for Democrats, compared with 42 percent who lean Republican (those numbers are similar to those in the last NEWSWEEK Poll, which found Democrats favored 48 percent to 43 percent). President Obama’s approval ratings have jumped substantially, crossing the magic halfway threshold to 54 percent, up from 48 percent in late September, while the portion of respondents who disapprove of the president dropped to 40 percent, the lowest disapproval rating in a NEWSWEEK Poll since February 2010.
Why isn't there a fiscal conservative party with liberal social views??? Why do we have to spend ourselves into oblivion??? I do know the dems have huge amounts of money from the unions that are running negative ads. They are overspending this country into the ground. Can't anyone see it?
In answer to your first question, there is, it is called the Tea Party, which is constituted mostly of grassroots Libertarians, as were our founders. Problem is, freedom lovers tend to have difficulty with organizations, which over time corrupt. Learn the lessons from Thomas Jefferson:
"Experience has shown that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny".
And this:
“Every generation needs a revolution lest liberty be lost!”
To put Palin next to Obama is just ridiculous. One is the President of the United States and the other is a reality show actress. The President is the smartest guy in the room, always. And the other has the intellect of a toad.
And David Gregory does not need to tell the President what to do. David Gregory needs to donate himself to science in order to figure out how to cure stupid.
Cause if the Republicans, who made the mess, retake power there are only two reasons why the voters would act. 1. The racist factor: not understanding this country is changing, and 2. the stupid. Sadly, the second reason is part of the first reason.
No, but there IS a cure for 'acting' stupidly, and that cure will take place when the voters correct their mistakes of 2006 & 2008 and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are no longer spending us into oblivion.
I seem to recall a speech given by Mr. Obama a couple of years ago where he spoke of not serving either "blue state" or "red state" Americans...but that he work to serve ALL Americans.
But just watching news clips of his campaign speeches makes it easy to see that he is the most devisive president that I can remember in my lifetime. His continuing assault on ALL Republican candidates is truly devisive and destructive to the business of running this country.
Does the president really believe that elected Republican House and Senate members will simply forget all the nasty insults he has hurled at them ???
Or does this president forget his own anger when Hillary Clinton made fun of his pervasive telepromter-reading...he hotly fired back "JUST WORDS ??? JUST SPEECHES ???".
I believe that in Mr. Obama's heart...all his repeated insults are only that..."just words, just speeches"...and that he feels there has been 'no harm - no foul' committed on the campaign trail.
I look forward to next week's elections being over just so it may prompt this insult-machine of a president to close his mouth, take his lumps, and try to learn to work well with others, for a change.
I'd join the party you describe in a heartbeat...."Conservative-Libertarian"...the "stop taking my money and wasting it AND leave me the hell alone" party.
We Americans have become trained by politicians to expect to get handed a bill every time a politician opens his or her mouth and to expect that we need to get an OK from government for each and every thing we do in our lives.
This nation was founded on the principle of "independence" and we have evolved into a land of dewey-eyed sheep holding our collective hooves out to limp politicians and waiting for their guidance and the related invoice that will surely follow.
MAW - I was wondering that myself. I used to be a moderate Republican when the GOP was the party of fiscal conservatism and citizens rights. Now I'm a Democrat because of the appalling lack of common sense or inclusion of the last GOP administration, not to mention their incredible greed, out of control spending, threats to womens rights, halt of scientific progress, unnecessary wars, and disregard for the middle class. Now we have the GOP idiot minions, the teabaggers, a collection of every extremist (neo-nazi's, misogynists, vicious hatemongers hiding behind the church, racists, bigots and random dumbasses) who elect imbeciles as candidates to run the country, and are secretly funded by corporations to protect their interests over those of the citizens. I value my civil rights under the Constitution, believe that all American citizens deserve the same rights, believe we should elect the brightest and smartest, and would like to stop the feeding frenzy at the trough of the American economy - so now I'm called a "liberal" by the fascists. I consider myself a Patriot, an actual Christian, and I too am looking for a party that represents my interests. It used to be called "moderate Republican".
Greed? You mean like the Wall Street bankers. Those Goldman Sachs who pumped money into Democrats 3/1 over Republicans? See stats below for contributions in 2008.
Goldman Sachs 3.6 (Dem) 1.3 (Rep) Citigroup 2.7 1.5 JP Morgan 2.3 1.7 Bank of America 1.2 1.0
And "out of control spending"? You mean like Chris Dodd and the Sainted One receiving kickbacks to leave untouched Fannie and Freddie as they slobbered like slothful pigs at the trough:
1. Dodd, Christopher $165,400 2. Obama, Barack $120,349 3. Kerry, John $111,000
"Threat to women's rights"? I presume you mean stopping Late Term Abortion & Infanticide which your Sainted One Obama voted to allow for "born-alive infants". (Illinois Senate Bill 1662)
Halt of Science progress? You mean government funded progress? Bush approved embryonic stem cell research and funded existing lines. Other avenues of research have proven far more varied and promising.
Unnecessary wars? You mean the ones your new liberal friends were so eager to support and did so until the going got rough and it was politically expedient to the likes of the venerable Harry (the surge will not work. the war is lost) Reid or Dick Durbin, our soldiers are Nazi's. Yes, these grovelers for the Soros money. Nice company you keep.
Disregard for the middle class? Sure, the Dems champion the middle class, Lol! Leave us the hell alone, how's that for starters?
Then it gets to the name calling which is a turn off but I see it tickles the nipples of Alex. Cool. But you don't fool me Glo254. You are a fraud, plain and simple.
It's called common sense freempg, something you are apparently lacking. I suggest you turn off Dumb FUX news and pick up a newspaper. Yes, I will still vote for the brightest and the smartest, after all, the brilliant Barack Obama brought the US back from the brink of a full scale depression brought on by the incompetence and greed of the last GOP administration. Freempg, you shouldn't hate educated people, after all it's probably going to be an Md. who treats you when all that hate and vitriole leads you to finally blow a gasket.
Glo: You are a fine one to talk about hate; you appear to be well-practiced at its exercise. And like a typical blog bully you slink back into the ad hominem attack or insults when you can't argue or lose the argument based on facts. You appear to be about as "brilliant" as the arrogant, narcissist Obama.
Thanks, I consider being compared to the brilliant, far too modest and gentlemanly, illustrious, decent, Christian, statesman, Barack Obama, the highest compliment. But actually I'm just a senior citizen who loves my kids and grandkids enough to do my part to try to keep fascism from taking hold, and insure that they still have Constitutional rights long after I'm gone. And I sure don't want to see the party of No Ideas, no opinions, no work, (except dirty tricks) coming back to power, after two years of sitting on their thumbs while the President worked so hard to stabilize the economy and country.
When he and the Dems rammed through the stimulus that didn't, Obama claimed that there were thousands of shovel ready jobs ready to go. Now he claims that there is no such thing as a shovel ready job. Kinda like when he claimed insurance premiums would go down if Blobmacare got passed and then a few weeks ago he says that he knew premiums would rise. You just can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth ( not to mention his claims of ignorance about Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright, etc).
Conservatives are the ones who redistributed the wealth to sickness and death for profit and war profiteering spawn who shipped all the jobs to China because their profit off of the work of others is their bottom line. Take a way the tea party hype and all you have self defeating sociopathic narcissistic haters.
...but....but...but then he said there was no such thing.....after he dumped over a trillion dollars to get those jobs.....I wonder where that money went?????????????????????????????????
american: How right you are. We hear all this talk about redistributing wealth. We know where the money is. The upper 1 or 2 percent get more and more, the middle class are being destroyed and we have 43 million and growing in poverty. Still the republicans tell us we need to cut the poor further and free up big corporations, banks, wall street and insurance companies. They support the very four groups that are destroying us. They also claim the moral high ground and many of them claim Christianity.
Do they think jesus said: "Blessed are the rich, for all good things flow from them and they are wise to store up mountains of worldly goods. But, woe unto the poor for they are all worthless bums that want something for nothing. See that you help them not."
According to the Federal Government (in the Related Link below) as of February 2010 there were 14.9 million unemployed, or 9.7% of the available work force. This figure is understated by the number not seeking unemployment benefits, who have given up looking for jobs, newly entered in the work force (i.e. graduated students, etc.), the retired, etc.
The current economic downturn is far from over. For the past 14 consecutive months, the unemployment rate has remained above 9.5 percent. The new claims for unemployment insurance rose to a higher-than-expected 459,000 last week. While every American has been affected by the recession, young people have been hit the hardest. The teenage unemployment rate remains …
The rest of us can go back to running a country the way we did when this coyntry was the envy of the world.
If by "running a country the way we did when this coyntry (sic) was the envy of the world" you mean the wild, wild west, have at it. If the South seceded tomorrow the first thing to go would be the minimum wage, followed by the education system...then slavery would be effectively on it's way back, with an uneducated majority working 16 hour days for $1 an hour, followed by a large percentage of them jailed because they turn to crime after being unable to support themselves and their families.
That's "the envy of the world"? Talk about a third world country...I've even got a name for you: the Redneck States of America! (insert emoticon of a face with eyeballs spinning in opposite directions here)
The "shovel ready jobs" can't be very highly publicized, Jan, as there are literally jobs posted this very night on USAJOBs (and they have been posted there for several months, so this must be a fairly large initiative) for positions to build relocation camps in the US. One can only imagine why a free country would need to be advertising for construction workers to build relocation centers. This is not a joke - look it up for yourselves online.
This is a very concerning time in America. Normal people fear the civil unrest that the liberal Congress and the central planners have worked overtime to fomment, and on an accelerated basis since the liberals took over Congress in 2006 and the figurehead post since 2008. This sort of uncertainty, domestic economic terrorism and in-your-face divide and conquer rhetoric from the ruling class is despicable.
In this climate j.wesley's idea does have some merit. We have two diametrically opposed vision within America now: The traditional POVs and values of freedom-loving and independent-minded Americans, and the economy of death and culture of death notions of the dependency-diseased and anarchist socialists who would prefer an amerika. The only resolution of such a schism, since Biblical times, has been to split the lands and go separate ways. It will be rather darkly amusing, though, when not even the liberals will want the CA, NY, IL and other liberal bastions of rot and bannkruptcy areas that they have created...
Frank Morton, there is a confusion inherent in your reference to Christianity and in the clumsy verbiage following that highjacks/exploits the word "Jesus" for any temporary effect to be gained from that.
What Jesus ACTUALLY said is, "The poor will always be with us" and more to the point, "Render unto Caesar (ie, a reference to the civil, temporal central state AKA the counterfeit as tin god) the things that are Caesar's, and to God (ie, the sacred, permanent state, AKA the authentic as True and Living God) the things that are God's." These are two separate systems and "Kingdoms" and all the wishing otherwise by exploitive Marxists who spout a self-serving, not God-serving, social justice mantra as cover for their latest theft-by-taking will not change that.
It is always rather pathetic when liberals, knowing little or nothing of either authentic Christianity or the authentic Jesus, try to rob from, steal from and destroy their citizen neighbors in the civil realm - and have the nerve to seek cover for their thievery by invoking their corrupted vision of a Jesus who is like them, rather than trying to elevate themselves to be more like Jesus.
Please spare us the references to Christianity and Jesus. Why not write about false religion counterfeits like Karl Marx, Alinsky, and other of the many liberal lightweights littering the stage now with their socialist tripe, who liberals no doubt know much better?
Keep your Marxist opinions, but please keep Jesus out of it. After all, Jesus was as angered by the moneychangers of his day trying to come into church property and confuse and defile true worship with their greedy exploitations on the temple porch as Christians are today when they see simiar now.
The DOW was near 6,400 when President Obama took over. http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/INDU /marketstate/country/usDow Jones Industrial Average DJIA 11,133 52 week high 11,258 Bush left a huge mess, an economy in a free fall. The economy has been growing now, the recession ended. They have been bitching about the fact that President Obama did not fix everything in 2 months.
The "shovel ready jobs" can't be very highly publicized, Jan, as there are literally jobs posted this very night on USAJOBs (and they have been posted there for several months, so this must be a fairly large initiative) for positions to build relocation camps in the US. One can only imagine why a free country would need to be advertising for construction workers to build relocation centers. This is not a joke - look it up for yourselves online.
Okay Elaine, I'll bite, but you made the claim, you back it up.
okay, Elaine, I looked it up on USAJOBS. See, I'm a skilled electrician, and I'd be great at building this paranoid fantasy that's been whispered about since, oh, election day 2 years ago. I'm familiar with lighting, alarm systems,PV systems and battery banks (to make the electric fences more efficient), and I can bring a project in on time and under budget. The best part of the job, i guess, would be using the cattle prod and shouting,"resistance is useless!".
Problem is, I read your post and went to the site straightaway. NO SUCH POSTING. To be sure, they probably camoflaged it with terms like "wildland fire fighter," and,"civil engineer", so maybe they're weeding out those not in the know. Too bad, too...I was so hoping to use that cattle prod on the republicans who have gotten in the way of every bit of the change we the 52% voted for. And on Joe Lieberman.
Here's the thing: change doesn't, and shouldn't, happen suddenly. Anyone who tells you it should is selling you something, and probably something you don't really want-sudden change is, after all, the definition of a catclysm.
There are forces at work who didn't want this president OR congress, and will stop at nothing to try to influence the "great unwashed" to go their way. This narrative was formed before election day, and they've held the brakes on the economy ever since. What they want is a reversal of the last three elections, because it works best for them that way.
What they won't tell you is this. If you clear less that $3 million a year, they'll bleed you to death, too. They don't want more, they won't settle for a preponderance, obscene in wealth is nothing to them. THEY WANT IT ALL. Their tactic is to divide us against one another so that we give up. So here's the takeaway: there is more that unites us, the poor, the lower and middle classes, than divides us. And we have much more in common with each other than with that 2% of the population that owns everything. Any government worth supporting, in my opinion, will work more for the 98%. The Masters will take care of themselves, as they always have.
To everyone out there wondering where the Stimulus Money went - BIDEN was in charge of the dispersal of funds . . . oy -- no one will probably ever know where it all went?
Certainly BIDEN himself has forgotten where he misplaced most of it!
Can we at least have ANOTHER choice for Democratic VP in 2012.
Then again - it's easy to look smart when one is standing next to good ole Joe B.
I spend time in the mtns. Last summer and ths summer there were several "shovel ready" jobs that people who would otherwise be unemployed were working. Sorry to disappoint you.
Obama showed you what he had in mind, he intends to redistribute wealth in this country.
j wesley, you're a f***ing moron. The greatest redistribution of wealth in this country's history occured under president shrub and darth cheney. Oh no, not my precious king george!!! yes.
Grow up. Get an education because your lack there of is telling. But go ahead, vote rethuglicant, get what YOU deserve. We're laughing at idiots like you.
frank - I don't think that there are many politicians left who reall y care about the masses. Just hope that the new ones coming in can fight the corruption for awhile.
wrkrb, the problem with your concept of change is that change does not need a time frame. We all are exposed to accidental change, health issues, job issues, family status issues. The real leader has something called contingencies to eliminate or minimize the negative impacts of anticipated change. None of this seems to exist in this administration, its almost as if it were planned by someone who never thought through the potential impacts. By the way, when everything is changing, it is chaos not change.
This administration uses change as a weapon, change for change sake only. And that is why there is fear in this country, fear of this administration, fear of this president's and his ideas. To minimize the fear factor, the change must be explained. This administration does it the other way, the pass legislation then try to explain it and when they can't the natural reaction is to fear what Congress and the White House is doing.
The stimulus raised between 1.4-3.3 million jobs. That's a 1.9 million margin of error. That's a good one. How about "we just don't know what any of it did"? That'd be closer to the truth. BO prevented a depression---really----for sure----or we just don't really know. I'll say this for the zillioneth time. In the '82 recession, unemployment peaked at 10.8%, inflation hit 14.76%, and the prime rate, the mortgage rate, hit 21.5%. Those are exact figures taken from the records. The foreclosure rate may be higher now than it was than, but with 21.5% interest, how many homes got sold. If BO did, Reagan surely did also. 9 days to go---see ya at the polls.
The true unemployment figures are more like 20%. The government is not reporting the Americans that have exhausted their funds or people that are not eligible from the start. Also, you have to take into account the average filing for unemployment each month has been around 95,000. There were 420,000 temporary Census positions filled, that is in that count. This country is going down quickly, because big business does not know what to do since Obama doesn't know what he is going to do next. This came out last week during the meeting with big corporations as well as small businesses. Small businesses are going to hurt drastically.
The DOW was near 6,400 when President Obama took over. http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/INDU /marketstate/country/usDow Jones Industrial Average DJIA 11,133 52 week high 11,258 Bush left a huge mess, an economy in a free fall. The economy has been growing now, the recession ended. They have been bitching about the fact that President Obama did not fix everything in 2 months.
It's too bad that when the recession "officially?" ended . . . the economist who concluded this to be so - forgot to tell the American people.
Have you even torn yourself away from youTube long enough to watch your local news? 60 Minutes aired an excellent piece on the 99ers tonight. The sheer desperation of the unemployed who have lost everything is heart wrenching. And most did everything right - but still are now truly living on the edge.
Whether these people were laid off at the end of the Bush years or during the past almost 2 years of the Obama Administration -- NONE of them ever dreamed that they wouldn't be able to find a new job within six months!! The majority of these workers had at least a college degree or a Masters (a few even a PhD) - and were not in "outsourced" manufacturing or labor jobs. WHAT they did have most in common (other than being college grads) was that they are over 45 years old.
Anyone who was even conscious already knows that Obama inherited a huge mess. No one expected him to fix everything in 2(0) months. What most folks did hope for - was that they would at least be able to see a ray of light at the end of the tunnel. "The recession ended" is a nice (supposedly) feel-good sound bite -- but it doesn't resonate with REALITY.
As to the stock market - by all means go ahead & invest "since the recession has ended" - but what do the MAJOR investors know that the average ordinary investors don't? (pays to read the Money Matters articles, too!) Did you know that you don't have to be an American to invest in OUR Market?! Yes - invest wisely - but at least BE AN INFORMED INVESTOR.
Alex, you obviously have your WHOLE future ahead of you. One can only hope that you & the younger generations take this opportunity to actually LEARN something productive (rather than c/ping the same naive sound bite everywhere) . . . so that maybe 20 to 30 years from now - you don't all find yourself in the same dismal predicament as todays discouraged & weary 99ers.
saint sarah you will lead us to the promised land we will follow you lock and step as we take the white house in 2012 thank god for the the tea party were takin america back!!
u of m fan you are a lib in a lib state why attack me? were winning and you want to belittle me-why I love the tea party they actually have guts and stand up for what they believe in-why dont you ? actually ashamed that you depend on the government with social security etc no problem once we eliminate it no more shame!!
Er - No. I direct you yo post 1.11 above and my previous posts about you. A tea Partier saying and posting the things you say do more damage to the cause than help IMO. That's why I'm almost certain you are a plant. If not, why not take my advice offered in 3/1. Really!
Haven't you heard that the world is ending in 2012, if "saint Sarah the Exorcist demon expeller" gets elected, this will be a self fulfilling prophecy!
Limbaugher
Please put your brain for sale, it has not been used at all!
Limburger..you are not a tea party member just a poor excuse of a troll trying to paint the tea party as racist..give it up guy you stink at your charade!
U of M I agree, Lim has the tone of someone trying to act as bad as the liberals are saying the teaparty people represent. Did that make sense? I was just down at the Michigan Brewers Assoc. beerfest at eastern market. Gotta make Mich. work.
I thank God for Sarah Palin. Even as a GOP'er who votes across party lines I get my political laughs out of her on a daily basis. The election process would not be so amusing without her. Keep it up Sarah what is my laugh for tomorrow?
Yeah back to the 1800's where most of the tea parties mentality is at. All failin Palin will do is guarantee another Dem victory in 2012. Besides we need her back in Alaska so she can keep an eye on those pesky Russians for us.
saint sarah you will lead us to the promised land we will follow you lock and step as we take the white house in 2012 thank god for the the tea party were takin america back!!
Really, I hope Palin gets the GOP nomination. She'll put her foot so far in her mouth that it will come out her (rear end) and no sane person will vote for her. Then the only "tea party" you'll be having is with the Cheshire Cat in Wonderland!
Isn't it odd that those that Palin endorse are winning and those Oba-a-a-ma endorse
Are losing?
You mean Christine O'Donnell is winning now? No, she trails by as much as 20 points...even the strongly pro-Republican Rasmussen poll has her down by double digits. Angle winning? No, every poll is within the margin of error. (NOTE: although I'd never want Angle to win -- ever -- Harry Reid is a wuss and badly needs to be replaced as Senate Majority Leader, preferably by someone like Chuck Schumer) Toomey winning? No...most polls now show Sestak closing fast, some have him leading, and even the aforementioned Republican shills at Rasmussen have it 48-44%. Ken Buck? No...dead heat. In fact, the only Tea Party candidate clearly leading a Senate race is Marco Rubio, and that's only because Meeks and Crist are splitting the non-Tea Party vote.
The more these Tea Party wackos speak, the more votes they lose.
Any voter who goes to the polls and votes blindly is a FOOL and most career politicians, especially DemNuts need to be voted out of office. Reid, (Pelosi, needs to retire) and what kind of experience and record does Obama have for creating jobs, in the last 2 years? Obama claim to fame in real world work experience is working at Baskin Robbins.
Did Obama have a good record of creating jobs in the state of Illinois, what a joke? Oh, wait, you have Blago to set on a pedestal as Democrat Illinois governor. Government, and more government, As Kennedy said, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country, and President Kennedy did not mean get a government job, (can't get fired) and live off the government for the rest of your life.
The DOW was near 6,400 when President Obama took over. http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/INDU /marketstate/country/usDow Jones Industrial Average DJIA 11,133 52 week high 11,258 Bush left a huge mess, an economy in a free fall. The economy has been growing now, the recession ended. They have been bitching about the fact that President Obama did not fix everything in 2 months.
I think you are a Troll or a Lib Schill to make any Tea Partier look ignorant.
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And I think you are an imbecile. It doesn't take much to make a tea bagger to look ignorant. Just look at ODonnell and Angel. I hope your IQ is higher than their's.If so it may reach zero. Pull your head out of your.....well I'd say you know where but then again we were talking about ignorance.
Alex, In Jan., 2009 the DJIA was 8,000. You need to read your own chart correctly. I use CNBC Money and it says the same thing. In Oct., 2007, the DJIA hit a high of 14,164 and in Dec., we were in a recession. In the last 5 weeks, the DJIA increased 1,000 points. Why? They anticipate a Republican shift in congress. If it doesn't happen, it'll drop back down again. BO doesn't have a handle on unemployment and his GDP growth is anemic. He spent 800 billion in stimulus money and has very little to show for it. You can read my 2.31 above. You have to come to the table with much more than he's showing to say "I turned it". He's still trying to bust the bank. His spending hasn't stopped yet.
If this nation was able to elect the angry, petulant little child we now have sitting in the White House, then no potential candidate from either political party can be ruled out.
If a person on this site finds redemtion in continually condemning and insulting Republican or Conservative candidates and voters as awash in stupidity and ignorance...then please also educate us all on the higher levels of education and intelligence of the White House's three strongest voting blocs....Hispanic voters, African American voters, and voters between the ages of 18 and 22 years of age.
When one resides in a glass house, one's stones should remain firmly in one's pocket.
Forty-eight percent (48%) of voters now regard Obama's political views as extreme, while 42% place his views in the mainstream. "
Rasmussen reports
That's just it...that's a Rasmussen report! Scott Rasmussen is notorious for his right wing politics, and he appears regularly on Fox Shill...umm, I mean News. Instead of "polls" that are bought and paid for by Fox News and the Republicans, try this CBS poll:
"Palin is viewed favorably by just 22 percent of Americans, according to the poll - including less than half (44 percent) of Republicans".
Sarah Palin couldn't be elected dog catcher with 22% approval ratings! And don't give that lame "liberal media" crap: to you on the right everything is liberal media except Fox News. And doesn't that, by definition, make them mainstream?
Palin said Obama needed to apologize to the 14.8 million people unemployed in the U.S.
WTF??? Did she forget who started this recession and that there has actually been job GROWTH this year vs the 400,000 per MONTH we were losing under Bush?
When is this womans' 15 minutes of fame going to end?
Job growth? Where?The public sector? the seasonal jobs? try telling that to the millions that have lost their jobs. Obummer wants us to get used to the 10% unemployment rate!He said he would focus like a laser on job creation> What about all those shovel ready jobs that he was creating? Oh, I forgot, he said there was no shovel ready jobs! OOPs another lie!Why is it Obummer has regulated all banks except Fannie & Freddie. check out and see how much money those two have taken from us already! If you like socialism , I hear there are cheap homes in Cuba you could purchase!
Come on Jim, job growth? maybe in govt. jobs but no where else. Obama has created a lot of those jobs but those jobs don't create growth just higher taxes
Jim is absolutely right - we've just logged NINE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS of PRIVATE SECTOR JOB GROWTH - versus the -750,000 jobs lost PER MONTH as George W. Dummy choppered away from the Whitehouse in Marine One after eight disasterous years of failed economic policies based on massive deregulation and supply-side economics. Dummy's "Tax-Cut" economy left America with ZERO job additions to the private sector - that's right ZERO. The same number as when Dummy took office. When these right-wing fringe types like Fail'n Palin talk about taking America Back - they mean they want to take America Back-WARD into the dark days of Depression. In November we can all say no - to the party of no and its crack, I mean "Tea" - pot candidates!!!
Hmmmm Well Jim I'm a major employer and Im not hiring here until I know HRC is unfunded and I see a republican house making smart business decisions. Ive been hiring in AP and EMEA but not here. I cant take the risk for the sake of my existing employees.
Obama claimed credit for partime census workers, (regardless of who is president, they would have been hired). now that is real job creation, and bringing jobs back to America, and High Tech.....
Sunday's Numbers: The U.S. has has gained 654,000 jobs since hitting a 10-year low in December 2009. Under President Obama, the country has lost jobs. But the nation historically gains jobs when Democrats are in the White House than when Republicans hold the presidency. See numbers since 1945.
A couple facts. The census occurs every 10 years, BO was the recipient of that. Xmas season is here now and they'll be hiring 600,000 seasonal workers, as they did in 2009. They say that the TRUE unemployment rate is about 18% or so. We've always had that % of unknowns. Unemployment is at 9.6% and holding. GDP is growing at a 1-1.5% clip---anemic at best. Government spending is absolutely out of control. Yes, more and faster than GWB did. The signs just aren't good. No, I wouldn't expect BO to get it turned this quickly. He has until 2012 to save himself. As for congress; well, we'll just see.
OBAMA 2012!!!!!!! We the progressive majority are leading the country forward. Repugs need to go to school to learn how to listen to the majority. Repugs need to learn to respect the will of the people. Repugs are desperate!! http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/22/poll-obama-approval-jumps-dems-more-fi red-up.html NEWSWEEK Poll: Obama Approval Rating Jumps, Democrats Close ‘Enthusiasm Gap’As the president’s numbers climb sharply, results suggest that Democrats may be succeeding in firing up their base. Obama feels the love at a Seattle rally for Sen. Patty Murray.Despite doom-saying about Democrats’ chances in the midterms, the latest NEWSWEEK Poll (full results) shows that they remain in a close race with Republicans 12 days before Election Day, while the president’s approval ratings have climbed sharply. The poll finds that 48 percent of registered voters would be more likely to vote for Democrats, compared with 42 percent who lean Republican (those numbers are similar to those in the last NEWSWEEK Poll, which found Democrats favored 48 percent to 43 percent). President Obama’s approval ratings have jumped substantially, crossing the magic halfway threshold to 54 percent, up from 48 percent in late September, while the portion of respondents who disapprove of the president dropped to 40 percent, the lowest disapproval rating in a NEWSWEEK Poll since February 2010.
The fact that you're from CA pretty much says it all. Liberalsville, USA. You get 1 poll that shows a glitter of hope, Newsweek at that, and you think the earth is shaking. Go to RCP and get a much better idea on how your party is doing. BO is not running for anything. His approval rating is meaningless for this election. Your party really listened to the majority when it pushed HCR through. You quote a chart for the DJIA and can't even read the thing. Are you some kid on a computer?
Your right Obummer, we have not forgotten! We remember your arrogance on the health care, the bailouts and basically you are trying to decide everything for us because you think we are too stupid to figure it out ourselves! Why are all the other banks being regulated but not Fannie & Freddie? Why do you take money from Soros if you are accusing the Chamber of commerce of foreign money? Soros is a foreigner! Why did you put a moratorium on our drilling even after the experts said no need, but yet you loaned Soros billions so he could drill? Why did it take you 9 days to respond to the oil spill and then told the scientists not to let us know how mad it was? These are just things off the top of my head which will definately keep me from ever voting for another dumb dumb as long as I live! We will stop your socialist agenda!
I know what you mean. No matter what, I will never ever vote for a Republican/teabagger. NEVER. So, I guess you could say you and have a similar view only opposite.
Healthcare was arrogance but you cannot blame Obama for the bank bailouts. The whole World would be in much worse shape if it didn't happen. As Wall Street in America goes so goes the World. All he has done hasn't been bad but he did not live up to all he promised and he bit off more then he could chew and the Public could chew at once.
===Pro-gvt, anti business, Under Obama, with Reid having the ability to bring bills to vote, what has he done?. Reid, Democrat House and Senate are King Obama's puppets, and they can't think on their own. SPEAKING OF TAXES, The Estate tax expired, the Yankees owner, theIr heirs do not have to pay a billion in taxes this year because Steinbreiner died in the loophole. Obama's agenda is too busy robbing Peter to pay Paul, and going on too many vacations. BECAUSE OBAMA READS EVERYTHING FROM A TELEPROMPTER and (GWB pronounces terror, terra) Demnuts think Obama is a leader.
It took the Texas Rangers nearly 20 years to recover from GWB's partial ownership. How long do you think it will take the USA to recover from his presidency?
Jim what a dumb remark. Now all you have said is foolish and meaningless. You are a lib and as all libs you kill yourselfs by putting your foot in your mouth.
Really, Jim has a point. Bush started 12 companies and bankruped everyone of them. Do you think he was on the square? He has 2% of the Texas rangers and he accomplished that after being a drunk until he was fourty.
Bush-----Texas Rangers. We're really stretching on this one. Hey, are any of them on a ballot anywhere? BO's name will go down in infamy. Right there with Jimmy Carter. Hi Ho Silver!
Sarah Palin is too dinky to run a cub scout troop...must less a country! Guys like her because she is cute and women feel like she is just a regular Mom like them. Well, gosh, these aren't bad qualities, but all these teabaggers seem to overlook the fact that she does not have the smarts...just like George W. to run the large United States! And that voice...I muted her speech today because I thought it would drive me nuts on top of what she was advocating. If Republicans and Teabaggers don't get more serious about producing a smart, moderate , candidate...then they are going to loose members faster and faster. My husband and I were Republicans...never again!
If people would just sit down and think about it, I think they would see that at least Obama, HAS done some things he promised. during the election. Considering the "circumstances" he's had, since he was elected, I would say that is a BIG PLUS!
I really do not see WHY, anyone would NOT be for Health reform? After the loss, of most Americana's life savings in this "d/recession", who wouldn't be upset. He's in office.....HE MUST BE THE PROBLEM?
It all depends on, What side of the fence you're on! The Republicans with that nitwit Palin running around the country screaming "The Sky is Falling"! and the Dems with the BIG "O" and Clinton raising up a storm, then we have the "Tea Baggers" (again with that NitWit Palin.....Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez I just love it! With what they say about each other during the election periods....How the Hell, do they work together?
It's hard to keep track of "WHAT" all these candidates, "Stand For", because of the "Flip Flopping", most people just follow the crowd, I think.......
If the Republicans take control, THEY BETTER WELL HAVE A PLAN AND GET SOMETHING DONE.....because in 2012 it'll them everyone will be yelling and screaming at, and they will be the ones "Targeted", during the election.
I personally think Obama is doing "Right" for the Country. I voted for him and so far, he's done SOME things, he said he was going to. That tells me....I GOT WHAT i VOTED FOR! Hell, given a few more years, WHO KNOWS, what he can accomplish???
Any way, I voted straight Democrat last election, and most certainly will be doing it again.....
I was laid off, along with many others, from a government job, in June. I'm nearly 62, not hot stuff on the job market, even a good job market. When I was laid off, my health insurance ended. Now I try to pay $380 per month to keep it going. I have to because at my age no new insurance company will look at me. HCR? Bring it on!
Then you will be required to pay your $380/mo, it will no longer be a choice.
Oh, and not to mention, for years and years under Reagan, H.Bush, Clinton and W.Bush you paid about $5 as a co-pay for office visits, etc., didn't you? I see now, with Obamacare, co-pays are running about $30 to $60 or more.
Not to mention that the overall costs of health insurance and health care in genreal are skyrocketing under Obamacare. You will be very happy to know that with your wonderful "HCR" you will likely be paying over $500 and moving toward about $1000 for the insurance you are required to have.
And your "wonderful" HCR will only cost taxpayers $2 trillion (actually much more since the government always underestimates such numbers) over the next several years. That will work out to about $15,000 to $20,000 per taxpaying adult. (Of course you won't have to pay any of that as long as you are not employed so no need to concern yourself with that-------for now.)
So as a fat-cat-beaureaucrat who is now laid off (thank goodness if we can reduce the government drag on the economy), yes, enjoy your wonderful Obamacare.
independantthinker - I spell it in all small letters because you sound like a very small minded person in your comment above. Indepemdant for sure.....To hell with the rest of the country HUH? A TRUE Republican.....
You spout off a lot of NUMBERS and DOLLARS in your post there, any source, or are they just YOUR closest estimates?
Yes, Obama Care as you call it, will cost us some money in the short term...but in the long run, will be what this country needs! It beats the HELL out of not being able to buy insurance, at all. Or losing your insurance when you get, REALLY SICK!!! How about those Pre-Existing clauses...Those are just GREAT aren't they???
It is time to put the U.S., into the 21st century, I would say. These insurance companies have been sucking the American people DRY, for too damn long! Over time, these costs will be reduced by having MORE people paying into the system.
As far as being required to have insurance. Well, I do not totally agree with that, however, if you have NO insurance and get sick...WHO PAYS FOR IT WHEN YOU GO TO THE COUNTY HOSPITAL NOW??? YOU ARE, but you failed to mention that COST, in your post!
Republicans ran this country into the HOLE, in the 8 years Bushie Boy was in there. I will do everything in MY power, to see they do NOT, get a 2nd chance.
So, put that in that Independant Pipe of yours, and smoke it........LOL
So, glw, I see you bring up SB1070. Way off point. Can only assess that you are an illegal alien?
Incidentally, the facts noted are all published numbers in your liberal msnbc, usatoday, etc., with 350 million population and 115 million taxpaying adults.
I see dingbat Palin is still at it...silly slogans, inaccurate statements, and invoking the name of some dead ex- actor...typical inbred teabagger mentality- just look at the hoots who show up and pay money to see this quitter...Â
After more than 50 years to come up with a solution, after taking out the Public Options and instating the mandatory pay the Republicans asked for, the best the Republicans had to offer as a HCR idea was to scrap everything and start all over. Go back to where they were 50 years before with health care. I would have signed it without any pause as well. At least now there is a starting point and something to work with and tweak along the way as we go. Higher Premiums? Less Benefits? Higher deductibles? All because of the HCR? I'm sorry but I do not and will not have amnesia when it's time to vote. All these were already sky rocketing every year before HCR.
miketa; Universal health care would cut the cost of medicine by maybe 50% and get blood sucking insurance out of the way; But, republicans would start a world war before they would alow that. The bill has a provision to get banks out of student loans where they rape our youny people for untold billions even though the government guarantees those loans. Thats the main reason thay talk of repealing the health care bill. We must protect our hard working bankers.
Conrad go attend a fundraiser for Obama and he will SHAKE HIS FINGER at you, like the idiot you are. (It only works with your kids under 10, and Biden thinks Obama is cool). Listen to another speech about driving your car.
Regarding healthcare. It's 1995 pages written by Special Interests and voted by Demnuts who had not read it. It's time for common sense approach for healthcare, (less government and create competition). Get a IRS deduction of 40% for (out of pocket) health care reimbursement, including premiums, less expensive, more choices. If you are on welfare, or laid off, without a job, then the govt. option is for you. ( but it will make all the lazy assses want to get a job and get off of govt. option. Can't imagine top Medical School graduates working for the govt. option if they have a choice.
If you don't live in California all the b#%ching you do won't ever change whether she serves in the Senate or not. The fact that she probably thinks CONserrvatives suck is enough for me.
If you don't live in California all the b#%ching you do won't ever change whether she serves in the Senate or not. The fact that she probably thinks CONserrvatives suck is enough for me.
This is the segment of Pelosi's speech in which she made her famous quote:
“As you are in Washington this week, we stand at the doorstep of history, ready to realize a centuries old dream, started by a Republican President, Teddy Roosevelt. He was the one who started this country thinking in this direction, and we are deeply in his dept. But, we are a hundred years late. A century old dream of health care for all, and we will be prepared to send the bill to President Obama’s desk that ensures affordability for the middle class, accountability for the insurance companies, and access for millions more Americans, tens of millions more.
“Nobody knows better than you the strain on hospitals that never turned a patient away, and health care providers grappling with the challenges of the uninsured and shrinking reimbursement. You know as well as anyone, that our current system is unsustainable. It’s unsustainable to individuals and their families. It’s unsustainable for small businesses. It’s unsustainable for your communities. It’s unsustainable for our state, local, and national budgets.
“President Obama said, one year ago, when he called the first bipartisan, on March 5th of last year, the first bipartisan House and Senate meeting together with many outside stakeholders together at the White House, to find a way for us to come together. And at that time, he said: ‘Health care reform is entitlement reform.’ We cannot sustain the upward spiral of the increases in health care and what that means in Medicare and what it means in Medicaid. So from the standpoint of our national budget, and for your budgets, the current system, as I said, is unsustainable.
“Again, it’s unaffordable for families, individuals and families, for businesses of any size, and it is a cost to our economy. Imagine an economy where people could follow their aspirations, where they could be entrepreneurial, where they could take risks professionally because personally their families health care needs are being met. Where they could be self-employed or start a business, not be job-locked in a job because they have health care there, and if they went out on their own it would be unaffordable to them, but especially true, if someone has a child with a pre-existing condition. So when we pass our bill, never again will people be denied coverage because they have a pre-existing condition.
“We have to do this in partnership, and I wanted to bring up to date on where we see it from here. The final health care legislation that will soon be passed by Congress will deliver successful reform at the local level. It will offer paid for investments that will improve health care services and coverage for millions more Americans. It will make significant investments in innovation, prevention, wellness and offer robust support for public health infrastructure. It will dramatically expand investments into community health centers. That means a dramatic expansion in the number of patients community health centers can see and ultimately healthier communities. Our bill will significantly reduce uncompensated care for hospitals.
“You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.
“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation—innovation begins in the classroom—clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon.
“We must have the courage, though, to get the job done. We have the ideas. We have the commitment. We have the dedication. We know the urgency. Now we have to have the courage to get the job done. So proud that President Obama is taking the message so forcefully to the American people! This is long overdue, a hundred years.
Though I tried to find a reason to defend it against those who talking point this to death, I have to say, I find this HCR Bill to be the only thing Tea Partiers and Right Wingers and I agree on; this needs to be repealed. But a reformed, bipartisan bill must be ready to be put in its place.
The current bill has done nothing but allow Big Insurance to ratchet up the Cost Increases at an unbridled rate. Obviously there is something being gained by not including preventative measures against the Big Insurers. Just Like Bushbama's TARP.
It's funny, msnbc coming up with an article comparing Obama to Palin. Perhaps they don't want to compare him to any real competition.
I am the first to say that Palin was a terrible choice for McCain to choose as running mate. At the time, he was like 3 or 4 points behind in the polls. Actually, he was closing the gap and possibly could have won with a viable running mate. All I can guess (yes, just a wild guess) is that he thought something like a woman, unknown, could spark his campaign, and there is always that politician ego where he does not want to be upstaged by the #2.
Having said that, I think it is a very big mistake for the Republicans to he holding Palin up as a top choice. But she is the only one out there making any noise. All the other viable candidates are keeping all their cards down, for now.
Hopefully, some of them will emerge soon and get the campaign to get rid of Obama actually rolling.
And having said that, although Palin is not a viable candidate in my opinion, she, or any other simple caring American citizen would be 10,000 times better than Obama as POTUS.
Of course, Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy, Elmer Fudd, Daffy Duck, etc., etc. (you get the idea) would be a vast improvement over Barhetoric Hussein Obull$hit.
Those here who decry having an education show how uneducated they are. You rarely use punctuation or capitilization, nor do you cite specific details about policy.
Those who bully by calling the President names show their ignorance not only of politics, but of the history of this country as well.
Again - there is no cure for stupid. If things go your way, and the country finds itself, in two years, in a hole again, will you admit how stupid you were?
Think not. The problem is that the Tea Party people suffer from Obama derangement syndrome. Those who want the southern strategy still can't wrap their minds around the fact that a black man is in the White House.
No one will ever convince me that much of the Tea Party has been used by racists and corporations who fear regulations.
i wasn't aware sarah palin knew the names of any past presidents. wow...is there asemblance of a brain beneath that face of evil. By the way sarah dear....holding your challenged son while you mug for photos only makes you more obnoxious than you really are.
Nope, I can say whatever I feel. If I think someone with Downs Syndrome is smarter than Sarah Palin then so be it. How is that ignorant? You are ignorant.
Kav, I GUARANTEE my IQ is higher than yours. There is no doubt in my mind. You still have yet to explain how what I said was bad? Someone made a comment about her posing with her Downs kid. I stated that her Downs kid is smarter than her and that her Downs kid would make a better president. I stand by that opinion. You are the lame one who can't even explain how that is bad. So, you are an idiot who likes Palin. You are so dense that you don't know why. But you hate me because I think she's a complete moron. You suck.
I like that post. Just wondering--I have an autistic grandson, (great kid). How many percentage points do you think I could get in a local race by exploiting him and parading him in front of a crowd.
Kim...don't hate you because I don't know you...but your comments show that you have no tolerance for anyone..Isn't that what a liberal is all about, tolerance...Your comment re "so what'' perhaps you should tread lightly because other people, not Palin, have a child with Downs, myself included.
Okay Kav, are you saying that I somehow hurt any person with Downs by stating that they would make a better president than Palin? How is that bad? How is that hurtful. Maybe you need to get over yourself and realize that what I said is not intolerant at all. You obviously feel the need to make everyone feel guilty because you have a child who is special needs. My niece has Down's Syndrome. If you were offended by what I said, you need help.
Political correctness does not mean being afraid of saying anything. That actually makes things worse.
What is with the desire to do nothing about anything? Lots of talking and not much else. Iran. Unemployment. Economy. Hegemony. Environmental. The list goes on.
You got that right Mike - I think these Repubtards are stupid enough to do just that and ensure President Obama gets a second term!! I LOVE it! Ha!, Ha!, Ha!, Ha!
If she ran and won, she would quit in a year and whine about how shabbily she was treated. Always the victim! A repeat performance. All for the good of the country, of course. Then we could have her vice-president O'Donnell in charge. Almost worth the price of admission, if it weren't such a frightening prospect.
I am not a very smart or informed person when it comes to politics or exactly what some of these candidates and/or senate/house/congress members are talking about on some occaisons. What i do know is that NO MATTER who has the presidency, wheather it be a Democrat or a Republican, it is always the other parties fault as to why things are not going well. You do not hear a Republican say: "George Bush really took our debt back up." or a Democrat saying: "We really didnt need to spend so much money doing this or that." I believe that Barack Obama is doing a fine job and agree with the GM bailout. Why should we have let them go out of Business? Just so we can have Honda or Toyota take over the company and no more GM american cars? Whats next, let Ford and Harley Davidson go out of business too so all we have are foreign automobiles? Instead of fighting each other, why not fight the actual problems? Like, not letting our businesses move completely over seas? Or getting our debt back down? Getting businesses back in the states? Not leeting Illegals collect welfare and/or food stamps? But, these will NEVER happen in my lifetime.
Thank you, Adam Bailey, post #13.2. I totally agree with you. One of the main reasons for the state of the economy...we're supporting Mexico. Now, let's all think, democrats, republicans, liberals, or whatever you term yourself. Who left those borders open and unattended? We should all be able to agree on this one...none other than President George W. Bush. It's going to take a very, very long time for the Bush administration's mess to be fixed. I don't care WHO is in the White House, what party, what color, what gender, thanks to the idiots who decided to keep him there as long as possible. And now, Sarah? Get real.
Tut, tut! Let's not remind people of the crazy things she did as gov of Alaska. Those wolf killings were done in the belief (supported by her zany director of Alaska Fish and Game) that less wolves would mean more caribou and more caribou would mean more hunters coming to Alaska. It wasn't her fault that she and her people didn't understand elementary ecology, which said that the range was at carrying capacity and that the wolf/ caribou relationship was a stable, long-term one.
 That ditch you've been trying to dig us out of ,Obama, is now a canyon. Where are the 800 billion shovel ready jobs? Oh that's right there aren't any. Your economic advisors have all quit, except for the tax cheat Geitner, who should have never been in there in the first place. Wow, in 21 months you've made Bush look pretty good. Fannie and Freddie, democrat debacles are going to cost us another trillion. Bush called the war on terror a long slog, but your next two years ,Obama, are going to be feeling even longer.
WHAT THE??? I remember "over in months, less that $1 Billion, greeted as liberators, Iraqi oil will pay for the rebuilding, etc." Seven years after promising that Bin Laden would be brought to justice and he retires in Texas leaving his successor to fix not only two wars, but a failed economy, an $11 TRILLION national debt (almost $6 trillion of which belonged to him) with tax cuts (never before given during war time) and millions of good jobs lost to Mexico, China and any other country that OUR corporations can get away with paying pennies on the dollar for labor.
I don't believe that the Democrats have done the best job over the last 21 months, but I will take another 21 months over returning to W era policies.
By the way, why is it OK when Republicans run massive deficits nation building half way around the world, but it's a catastrophe when Democrats run deficits trying to fix this country? Must be all that patriotism I keep hearing about.
It is a mid-term election cycle that will involve a lot of change. It is time to vote the bums out and get some gritty business leaders in office. The foundation of the country needs to be restored so we can once again be a great nation instead of the cowering whimps we're being portrayed as by our current leaders. CHANGE IS IN THE WIND!
Jim, you posted earlier about Adam being an invert, are you sure you know what that means are you sure you do not need a dictionary? And you say she has her thumb up his ass I think you have your thumb up her ass and have no clue what the hell you are even talking about!!!!!!! Palin is a stupid women anyone women who has a child and calls him a retard ya thats exactly who we need to run our country. If Palin would get into office well she quit being a govenor because of so she says " pressure" ya right if she cannot run Alaska the bitch Cannot run the United States. There all there is to it. Obama did a good thing on bailing out GM because if not, well there would be more people out of jobs. Next time you want to comment try to use smaller words and know what the hell your talking about.
Adam is OK by me. How you got into a tirade about Palin from me using the word "invert" is ... Anyway I was just saying don't diminish yourself and then launch into a lecture.
lets see obummer said we are going to get change--i looked in my pockets and thats all i have left..took ss raises away from us poor people but gave the govt a 2%raise down to to janitor in the white house and $50 million to the pakistans and i guess we need more of this ---do you think or can you?
cobra. If you are really on SS, which I doubt, you know that SS raises are tied to the cost of living. If the increase in cost of livng is non existant, or minimal, there are no raises. It has been that way for quite some time. The President had nothing to do with it.
Why is Palin being touted here ?.....Where's all the legitimate Republican mouthpieces ?
People may be pissed with the shape the country is in but a shift to vapid populist 'policy' is a major move in the wrong direction. Careful what you wish for folks.
If you think they're gunna bring jobs home to the US you're mistaken. The situation will just gain momentum. The Tea Party is only about small government and ultra-deregulation to allow their more affluent followers to do what they damn well please in pursuit of a buck. Joe si-pack is getting blind sided by these people.
Thankfully at this stage, support for the Tea Party splinter runs under 20%.
Yes, they know what they want. They may not be brilliant, but the real problem is with their heart. When a ceo makes 600 million and workes children for 12 cents and hour, there are many republicans who will defend that, without shame. I have heard them do it. Nothing to do with facts will change people who are that greedy are their supporters. Only force of law will check them. I am speaking of ligitimate repugant mouthpieces.
Frank, name elected republican officials who have said anything remotely close to what you said. .... and better to have start a business and fail than never attempted.... Tell me what is Obama's experience working in the private sector. Pretty soon everyone will either be working for the govt. or be on welfare.
Who is going to enforce the regulations in 1995 pages of , let's see what is in the health bill? Obama will appoint a Medical czar and the Medical Czar will hire an army of medical illiterates (on the job training) real Hi-Tech job creation.
Do I hear welfare fraud, enforcement, No, no wait, how about food stamp fraud, or .... oh, what the hey, it doesn't matter, according to Democrats, (Pelosi) food stamps are stimulus then fraud and waste is even more more stimulus.
None of you know me and many of you probably won't like me. I retired from the U.S. Marine Corps 1 year ago today after 31 years of faithful service. It was 27 years ago today that as a young Marine Sergeant I served in Beirut, Lebanon and witnessed 241 of my friends and some of your sons perish in the Marine Corps barracks bombing carried out by Iranian backed Hezbollah terroists. So please forgive me for not being one of political correctness. I have since served many grueling years having had 3 tours in Iraq and 2 in Afghanistan. In that time I have lost many friends and others who I would be proud to consider my friends. I am not asking for your gratitude nor sarcastic remarks. What I am asking for is that you get out and vote and when you do please keep in the back of your mind what these people died for. They died for your freedom...our freedom. The right to make our own choices. While I am not a politcal pundit I do know when our country is heading in the wrong direction. I see our freedoms being taken from us everyday while we just stand by and watch. I've had enough and I hope you have as well. Thanks for listening and God's Speed to all of our troops. Semper Fi my friends.
Brian Strickland United States Marine Corps MSGT (Retired)
Thank you for the tremendous sacrifice and service to our country. Those 5 years is a lifetime for most of us. This great country will come out of this recession stronger then ever. Every Vet knows this. From this second on the smart way is the only way the rest is bhah bhah bhah bull @!$%#.
Thanks for your service Top....My son was in Beiruit....Charlie Company, 2nd CEB, 2nd Marine Div. He was not one of the 241, but was one that was severly disabled. God's Speed.
Semper Fi Brian. Thank you for your service. I too think the country is on the wrong path. Obama thinks everyone needs a free college education, but I think everyone should have to do 4 years in the service. I think that would eliminate this selfish liberal entitlement mentality.
Brian, thank you for your service and your civil post.
I don't agree with you that the country is heading in the wrong direction, but I appreciate your civility.
My daughter is in the Air Force, served in Desert Storm, OSW, and one tour in Iraq. She is going to retire in February, after 25 years of honorable service.
Thank you for your service to our wonderful country. And thank you for a very non-political post, not slamming one side or the other.
Without damning either political party,you point out that we are headed in the wrong direction, with which I agree. I am against the current administration's failures so far and do not know from your post how you feel about "one side or the other", and do not care, that is your business. I do hope that whomever "wins" in 10 days and again in 2 years, will give the utmost consideration to you and the brave men and women who protect our country. You are the "real" people, and make the politicians pale in comparison.
You have both demonstrated your lack of intelligence and complete low-life personalities. Please try to be at least a tiny bit civil so someone could possibly give your "comments" some slight modicom of consideration. Both of your statements result in nothing but trash.
Oh my. Palin and the hate baggers are certainly contributing to the dumbing down of America. It would be a big mistake to elect any of these half wits.
All these comments about Palin, and the liberal media to boot...... Do any Democrats , (if you have a brain you are not sitting on) actually think Palin would run, win Primaries and then be nominated? She is anti-cheerleader of Obama, nothing more. All the blogs about Palin, what a waste of the of time.
Hopefully you all realize that it is this "rag", msnbc that is raising the level of Palin to a comparison with the POTUS. I realize that his actions are of a level much lower. Nonetheless, he is the POTUS. To compare him to anyone not currently a candidate shows a real lack of intelligent logic. A big blunder on the part of the yellow-dog liberal msnbc.
But since they have raised the issue, for my part, I would choose any one of a large number of Republican candidates to go against Obama.
That said, msnbc has given a high rating to Palin, so she is apparently doing enough good against "their hero" to give them immeasurable heartburn.
It would be a real shame to let the same asses that destroyed our economy to take control of our nation! Don't forget, it wasn't President Obama who got us into this mess, it was the stupidity of Bush and people like the Dumb ass Palin, whom by the way might be the dumbest person in the world! God help us all, God forbid this dumbasses take control of our nation again!
History-challenged, are you? If you study history, and I'm not talking about last year, you will find that just about every single president inherits a recession in one form or another. It is the normal economic cycle that you get an economic downturn once every 8 to 10 years. Most people would like a president who has a plan that is business-friendly and not dwell on how we got here. Whining turns people off. It is not the hope and change independents voted for.
It was Barney Dodd Bill & Bush II --everyone should own a home It is OK to lie on the application.. You are all stupid if you think either the Dems or the Repugs have it right.
We as a nation are about to choke on the legacy cost of all the public employees--some state worse than others and they will all come to Washington to be bailed out--not sure about your 401k but mine is now a 301k--should the public sector not enjoy the same privildge??
It was Barney Dodd Bill & Bush II -everyone should own a home It is OK to lie on the application
seems like you left out a pretty big step in the process: the banks.
you know, the banks that lent the money, the banks that evaluated the risk, the banks that chopped up the mortgages and sold them to other banks who didn't know WTF they were buying who consulted with the ratings agencies who pumped the estimates and got those banks to further slice and dice those mortgages into infinitesimally tiny chunks - so small that nobody even knows who owns the @!$%#ing things anymore - the banks that are now foreclosing on homes they don't own because they've hired burger flippers to sign documents claiming they've reviews documents they don't have... all in the name of ever-higher profits based on nothing but bigger and bigger bets on nothing but their own @!$%#ing greed.
how stupid do you have to be to think it's all Barney @!$%#ing Frank's fault ??
You should have read the articles in Rolling Stone by Mat Taibi(sp). It explains the problem which began with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Frank and Dodd's manipulation of those institutions which ultimately poisoned the banking system (which was, admittedly, a house of cards). No two individuals did more to cause the crash than Frank and Dodd. The democrat propaganda machine with the help of the press that they control have managed to brainwash a lot of left wing zealots into blaming it all on the banks. It just doesn't compute.
yeah, i read that. Taibbi's a great read, but he has a tendency to push things a little too far in order to make a good story.
No two individuals did more to cause the crash than Frank and Dodd.
nobody forced the banks to do what they did. they saw loopholes and tricks and they jumped in. and then they discovered they were over their heads, with the entire economy on their shoulders, and they got us to bail them out.
Frank and Dodd didn't force anyone to come up with the idea of the mortgage-based CDO or to leverage them into vapor. the banks did that all by themselves.
If the banks are to blame it has absolutely nothing to do with the housing market that crippled this nation. It was with their backing of the oil speculators that raped the world with the help of the banking industry that supported these crooks who's tankers were their hard drives and their processors chips were their refineries. Without the banks supporting these criminals that took advantage of the war and false inflated oil prices, most of those mortgage defaults would never have happened in the time frames they did.
Those banks were not forced to make bad loans. The greedy pigs made money if one note was paid. They were gambling that home prices would rise and they would get the outher half of the country. The schems they used with those morgages would put a normal citizen in jail. So, when housing went down and they lost, we gave the thieves 750 billion. Both parties fought against the public to save their stocks that were tanking. As soon as they got the money they stole 18 billion for bonuses, to keep the brightest and the best is what they told us. We don't know how much more they stole because their was no oversight.
Heres part of what we do know. Banks have a license to steal and they do.When you pay 600k or more for a 200k home even when the government guarntees the loan you have been robbed. In the last two years our 4 biggest banks have gained over 3 trillion in assets. they are right now recieving billions in 0% loans and speculating with taxpayer and depositers money. Talk about something for nothing! They produce nothing an take mountains. Keeping cash flow liquid is what they were ment to do; but they are not doing that. Right now it is difficult for well qualified people to get a loan. So, the banks own our government and just spent over 30 billion lobbying against a very moderate reform bill. Banks,wall street and big corporations are running America and their insane greed is destroying us. If you think Dodd or anyone else made them do anything i believe you are badly mistaken. He may have helped them do what they wanted to. Right now they are forclosing on homes that they dont even know who holds the morage on them. Don't you believe for one minute they dont know better. And you can bet thet got some illegally. These pigs will do anything.
You know what's funny about what you said? All the risk packages those banks sold were actually profitable. What brought the system down was people not paying their mortgages. And yes banks were pressured by the government, starting with Bill Clinton, to give loans to people who couldn't afford them. And all of those bonuses were in contracts already signed when the financial crisis happened. And those banks were threatened with audits by the IRS if they didn't take bailout money. Good job on being clueless.
Frank, do just a little research. Find out what the community reinvestment act is. Find out what a Credit Default Swap is. Then see if you can figure out what happened. Factor this part in. Builders were allowed to act as mortgage brokers. Loans were bundled and sold to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Credit Default Swaps were not regulated and they could be purchased whether you had a vested intrest in the mortgage, or not. Then look at the role the Banking Queen, Bawney Fwank, and his Partner Chris Dodd had in these things. Then you will know why Dodd retired and Fwank is in trouble.
Most definitely hate the side by side of Obama and Palin. Despite her high profile it is my feeling that she does not speak for most Rep/Independents/Anti Obama people. Could be wrong but I don't think so. As a Conservative/Independant, I think a face-to-face debate between these two would be a complete bloodbath.
A Palin nomination would be a disaster for the Conservative movement IMO. Akin to the McCain and Dole nominations. A Christy/Rubio ticket would get my attention!
I curse the day John McCain brought the scourge of Sarah Palin to us. I changed my party affiliation after the election from Republican to Democrat. I've been a Republican since 1977. This woman is a complete moron and the conservatives are a bunch of lemmings about to jump off a cliff if they keep following her.
JIm,
I don't believe a word you said. You obviously have been a liberal all along.
Why not? I cannot stand what the Republican Party has become. A bunch of far right bible thumpers who are more worried about their invisible omnipotent friend and abortion than they are about leadership. They vote for demagogues not intelligence.
Then you have switched to the right party for you. And btw, good riddance!
you lib please leave us now-your less than truethfull and we dont want you contaminating us! maybe you should go to cuba where you will be happy with your lib socailist ways!! this is the tea party you lefties in our party must be weeded out period-the american public must know were not voting for some left leaning person period!! vote tea party were takin america back!!
GWB ruined me. The man was an idiot. Sarah Palin is an idiot. Do they not have ANY intelligent people to lead that party? I'd go back in a heart beat if they did because the Pelosi crowd sickens me even more. And Barbara Boxer???? I mailed in my ballot already Carly Fiorina got my vote.
Jim, it appears the person that makes such ridiculous comments may be the idiot.
Do you guys really think Sarah Palin has the ability to lead this country? Really? Seriously?
Well fights, it is the truth, whether you like it or not. Now go back to your No Spin Zone with Bill O'Reily.
Back on point (rather than other regular jabs at Palin/Obama). I believe these visits do nothing other than providing local residents a chance to come to an exciting event. Voters have typically made up their mind at this time. Vote changes this close to a major election only happen when a major news event occurs which changes the way we live. There have been announcements - such as economy and employment and foreclosures - which have been bad news. But, not enough to change voters.
Oh, and by the way limbaughger, the 5th grade called. They said your home schooling didn't stick and they want you back so you can learn to spell, punctuate and put a cognitive thought together in a sentence.
UM,
Don't forget, havin SP as VP on the Rep ticket was the only thing which made the election as close as it was. Without her it would have been an even bigger disaster. And if you think the Prompter-in-Chief would whip her in a faceoff you have a short memory. She went head to head with Biden and did just fine. If you don't think she's the point woman of the conservative movement, then who is? C/R would be great.
Obama is right about one thing. We should not return to the "failed policies of the past," because 21 months of him has been utterly brutal.
Jim,
If you indeed did as you say then you were nothing more than a RINO anyway. Enjoy yourself in the Party of No Good. The 'lemmings' are following her all the way to a landslide on Nov. 2.
Occam's Razor you are probably right, but all the polls show a large amount of "Undecided" out there. Maybe people just don't want to answer when asked. I made up my mind and mailed in my ballot already and interestingly enough I voted mostly Republican except for the 50th district race here in San Diego County. Brian Bilbray is a carpet bagging former lobbyist who does not belong in that office. Unfortunately his Democratic opponent is even more useless so I wrote in "None of the above".
+I don't like the bible thumper tea partiers or the dems. I would vote libretarian but then nothing could get done because the house and senate would stop anything they tried to do, so election day, the hell with both of them
Maybe we should all write in "None Of The Above" and wouldn't it be funny if None of The Above won? Think I'll change my name to that.
Joe-738652 is either party really worth a damn?
I guess Americans are fearful because Palin and the other smirkiing twits at FOX have been feeding them misinformation and making them fearful. This has been a strange year in politics – with the party of NO Ideas blanketing the internet with ridiculous right wing propaganda and petty complaints, which seemed laughable and pathetic until it gave rise to a whole movement of imbeciles electing some of the most clueless candidates in history. Don't any of these teabaggers read or ever come in contact with intelligent people?
Joe - LOL, I think the Biden/Palin Debates were more a reflection of the deficiency of Biden than the prowess of Palin. Obama is another story and, mark my words, he would clean up the floor with her despite his bankrupt ideas. IMO she is not, and never will be, ready for prime time. Age addled McCain brought her in without even knowing what or who she was and, as a Conservative who is not necessarily Republican, this is but one of my many disappointments with McCain.
Palin for President is fine with me. Why not. Then her husband could go on DWTS.
Jim 3....
"Undecided"
Studies over the years have shown that in major elections, the Undecided tend to follow the Known vote forecast - with a variance a little bigger than the polling error for that particular election. Thus, if a polling shows a 55/45 forecast, the Undecideds will typically follow the same forecast.
What throws this off? An unhappy voter. Unfortunately, the past few years include a large number of voters that are voting AGAINST a person, rather than FOR a person. In this case, the Undecided will still follow the expected pattern, with a bigger margin for error. (That should make the mud hole a little clearer)
Sarah, you ignorant slut. Please crawl back to the beauty pageant casting couch from which you slithered!
She's on the lectern Crowing and Cackling: "Soon we'll all be dancing!!" "Obama should be apologizing to 15Million out of work!" From One of The Architects of Republican Criminality Comes the admission of Her OWN Guilt. The Bushy Shrubber Reign PUT 25Million Americans out of Work SarinGas!! And NOW, Palin is asking US to bend over so The Republican TeaBags can Legislate "The Pledge To America", their most Vicious, Audacious and Criminal RipOff EVER Put on America AND WHICH WILL Increase US Unemployment to 30% while these POLITICAL CRIMINALS Live In THE LAP OF LUXURY.... The "Tea Party" NOW is IT?? Ahhhh....The craftiness of the Republican Party, a collection of the world's running sores, Pedaphiles, Perverts, sociopaths, war mongers, crooks, criminals and con artist snake oil salesmen, BOTH In Congress and the Boardrooms, with ONE THING IN MIND.....I Want ALL The Money!!!...ALL THE MONEY!!!! And They don't care HOW They Get It!. Let the ends justify the means!!..... the Republican Party has earned such a Demonic, Seedy, SINISTER and Totally Disgusting reputation! SO! Do what others have done....Change your name and approach!!!
The "Tea Party" invites The Hurting Class and the Greedy Haves to their ranks with a promise of "change" from "Commie/Socialist" Prez O. Well Surprise VOTERS!! If You Fall for Their Spinning Lies and RANK DECEPTIONS and vote the "Tea Party" INTO POWER, which is the MILITARIST IRON FIST of the Republican Party, They ARE GOING TO Give US A Taste of REAL HURT, BIG BIG TIME!!!!! Like: Unending Wars in Afghan, Iraq, Iran, Somailia, Yemen, Pakistan and anywheres the Rich Republican Industrialists can Ply their Trade and Weapons For HUGE PROFIT While the Blood of America's Youth soaks into the soil. How About: NO Healthcare AT ALL !!!! That's right!!!, You Are Sick??? Die QUICK!!!!, That is Unless You are Wealthy; How About: Minimum Wage reset at $1.00P/Hr with burger flipping jobs for all!!! How About: Hey!, Oh My God!!!, What happened to my Social Security Check, I am OLD and MY LIFE Depends on those Funds??!! GONE! Republican Teabags controlled congress and "Phased Out" Social Security for the Republican industrialists profiteering and their "war effort". The Republican Rich are tucking away YOUR Social Security Money into their TAXFREE Pockets!!! They Are SARDONIC CRIMINALS!! Remember?? And YOU ARE Sh@fted Voter!! How About Republican Wall Street Getting control of ALL Banking in America, through leveraging and buy outs and YOU are watching them TAKE Your Money out of Your accounts VIA Phony trumped up "Fees"! THESE Are Just a Few of what's in store for US if the REPUBLICAN "Tea Party" gets hold of America's Reins of Power with NO Controls......Remember Their Boy Bushy!!!!!!!, His father's IDIOT SON, Who DE-REUGULATED ALL Controls on Corporations during the SHRUBBER REIGN 2001 - 2008?? Just look at The CATASTROPHE Bushy and his Republican Party PUT ON US!!!!! Just what do you think is going to happen if You Vote the Republican TeaBaggers into Power to make and carryout laws Again! They're not going to vote more money into Social Security Retirement Funds for the old and infirm, That's for sure!!. They'll dream up some euthanasia scheme to get rid of the old folks so they can stick their money into their own pockets! Better Dead than Fed!! Be Careful People, Be Very Very Careful what you vote for! The Republican Tea Club sociopaths are Mercilessly Brutal Criminals with NO regard for America or Her People.
Giving ANY Power to the Republican Tea Club is asking Dracula to guard our BloodBank
Limbaughger - You are are miserable Troll, an ignorant liar and, obviously, a paid operative for some other cause. It's evident that all you are about is to present a picture of Tea Party people as ignorant and biased. To all, look what this operative posted on another thread!!!:
face it time to get rid of the token black guy we didnt want him to begin with and face it us tea party men/women hate him and want him out period!! pick a nice white face-no minority or some hot sexy women to lead us-face it otherwise were gone-thank god for the tea party were takin anerica back!!
In talking about Steele as the Rep Party Chairman. You disgust me and I am going to do whatever I can to report you!
Tyler! Shut this A-Hole's account down now!!!!!!
Palin totes October Suprise, Iran Contra sell weapons to the enemy trickle down ZioNazi pig Reagan as some kind of hero WTF!
OBa-a-a-ma says
It looks like Oba-a-a-ma and the Democrats are the ones hoping for short memories. Their stimulus is still not working. Bank bailouts are fresh in our minds and having Oba-a-a-macare forced on us seems like it was only last year. Oh, that's right, it was.
Oba-a-a-a-ma says
And he's right about that. His policies got us into this mess and conservative policies will lead us out of it. Do the Democrats have "amnesia" and can't remember that the economy only turned south after the Dems took control of Congress? Do they remember blocking the Republicans from stopping the stupid policies of Fannie and Freddie. We remember. I think they do too.
Since WHEN is SP considered a *BIG GUN*?? How insane.
The whole argument of the Dems having the house for so long is bunk. You need how many votes to get something passesd ? O.k once you answer that you will see that does not make a difference. Also the whole " stimulus/bailout " argument is bunk also since Bush was the one who put it through Obama is the one who had to sign it, and besides even your beloved media whore Palin even said on tv that the bailout was nec, but now for some reason they are acting like they were against it the whole time. And now it seems the very same people that ridiculed the stimulus are asking for money for their state.
http://washingtonindependent.com/100992/republicans-who-bashed-stimulus-lobbied-for-funds-argued-money-would-create-jobs
Oh and by the way Palin and Mccain was for the bailout and spoke highly of it and now for some reason acts like they never were. Google more links if you like about it. Here is just a few.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_passage_of_a_bailout_pac.php
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95240063
You know they just tried to get a bill passed to get our companies to stop outsourcing our jobs and the Reps in the land of no (who seem to have the minority in the house) voted against it,gee i wonder why ? No surprise there. This bill would have gave incentives to bring our jobs back and stop the outsourcing of our jobs, and the Republicans voted against it.
When I vote this coming month i am voting to try and change the way things have been done in the country for so long and change it for the better, not to roll back the clock and let us go down hill. And if you ask me these obstructionist should be fired for not doing their job for these past few years.
We had two wars, the recession, the wall street collapse, the mortgage and housing crisis, CEO's outsourcing our jobs, a massive drug war spilling over to the US, And you mean to tell me they wont vote on anything and all they can come with is a pledge from Newt that was made back in 1994!!!!! Sorry but that is not doing their job for the American people. When I vote this coming month I am voting for:
Rebuilding our infrastructure i.e; roads, bridges, railways, airports
Wall street reform
Social Security to stay put and not be privatized
Education reform and investing in our kids education ( we rank low )
Stop outsourcing our jobs to overseas
Repeal Don't ask Don't tell and let them defend our country if they want
Alaska has the highest rate of alcoholism of any state in the country.
I'm just saying.....
Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Voting for Republicants and Demoncrats over and over again expecting to get our Freedom back is INSANE, by the very definition of the word. How anyone cant figure this out by this point, boggles me.
So anyone who votes for either of these treasonous partys needs to go check themselves into their local mental institution.
@ Joe-738652
That is total crap! McCain had a chance until he picked Palin. The day he selected her he sealed his defeat and lost at least three more states.
Palin is a cheerleader, not a player on the field. And let me say [even though I am Republican] Reagan raised the deficit higher than anyone up until his time, only to be topped by Papa Bush, Baby Bush and now Obama. Where was her crowd's concern during the 5 Republican presidential terms where the deficit was ever-growing? Why is it only critical now that there is a Democrat in the WH?
javadanny and momipapers
Palin's approval ratings are as high as Obama's. Maybe higher at this point.
McCain vs Oba-a-a-ma was the New World Odor saying - you can vote for our candidate A or our candidate B. Palin was the only American on the ticket.
You should try decaf
Sarah Palin. Don't listen to these guys on the blog. You go girl! Keep talking and talking and talking. Run for president and show these guys that you "will" become the Republican nominee for President for 2012 and to hell with them.
"The DNC approved this message."
Anabananas
I'll bet they do.
Music for your ears my dear.
I'm disgusted with these Harvard grads trying to run a country..no experience just a bunch of ivory tower types telling you whats best for you ..liberal idiots that never did a hard days work in there lives . now they know whats best for you .. BULL ..only thing there good at was spending daddies money.. and now there spending yours the tax payer money ..and getting nothing in return . as the saying goes .. ((( if you have you eat ...if you don't have you eat better )))and the numbers prove it ..more welfare ,,more food stamps,,more medicaid and after almost 2 years of jive talk-en you ,,your still blind to the crap hes telling you, wake up people these career politicians must be put to rest........
If people remember McCain lost alot of votes at the last minute when he said he was going to cut social security benefits. If it were not for that statement he just might have been POTUS as he lost the elder vote at that point.
SARAH PALIN. Do I want to puke. You betcha!
I spent a couple of hours at the CA Republican Party campaign office today, primarily to get Republicans to vote for Meg Whitman.
As an independent, I CAN NOT VOTE STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN.
I support Prop 19 and want marijuana to be legal.
I WILL NOT VOTE for Steve Cooley for Attorney General. He spends his time fighting marijuana smokers - completely ignoring sex offenders and chemical drug abusers who are the real drug addicts.
Not only that, she makes more money than he does too.
Who wrote the Constitution? Liberal Liberators!
Not Greedy Opportunistic Players
Cutthroats get promoted and a raise everyone else gets laid off.
Welcome to New China!
Outsource Outsource Outsource Thats what your signs should say we don't want jobs we want you to be rich. Wars and poverty!
Corporate America = ModernDay Slavery
Are you poor we have a War for you to fight!
Why is it O.K. for the president and all the other politicians on the public dole, to spend their time campaigning while they're on the clock?
U of M fan, you go crawl back into the hole where you belong and watch Glen Beck. Has everyone gone insane, good god, Tea Partierscomplaining "Obama this" and "Obama that", super left wingers going crazy, and Obama is in the middle trying to hold this country together(hmm wonder if he ever tried duct tape). Palin is a grade "A" DUMBA$$, I wouldn't trust her to work at a McDonalds let alone be president. It seems that the only people who are sane in the government is the miltary. Thank god John Stewart and Stephen Colbert are holding the rally to restore Sanity and/or Fear. I really hope that it does restore sanity(and some fear).
You betcha Karen. There is no amount that the corporations wouldn't pay to get Sarah Palin to keep on duping the teabaggers into supporting corporate interests. Palin is selling herself short to only expect $150,000-$250,000 per speech.
This is what our great nation has become a bunch of Whiners on both sides, this is exactly how our government is, do you all seriously think anything can get done with a bunch of cry babies in the senate and congress, maybe its time to put down that Drink and that Pipe and look around ....
Because they are "politicians" dummy. That's what they do Debi!!! Maybe you should go back to school.
Karen in Los Angeles
Yes, that's true, but she has a great deal more experience.
Agree, 100%. Sarah Palin couldn't grab her own (rear end) with both hands full of fish hooks!
Don't you have to laugh at the skeleton avatar of "Jim" that newsyvin features so prominently and selectively? Whether the skeleton is a seasonal theme for Halloween or the appropriate symbol of his fleshless and dead ideas, the skeleton avatar is definitely a propos.
The skeletal liberal death march ends on Nov 2. Americans want JOBS not a continuation of the liberal Congress and liberal figurehead's tyrannical, bankrupting and barren agenda that will make most everyone as hungry as a hound and lifeless as a skeleton if it continues.
Vote out incumbents in 2010. And 2012. Hurry up Nov 2.
Jim 356239 - you obviously are a liberal: narrow minded, ignorant, and intolerant of those who disagree with you. Sarah Palin is not the entire Republican party. I am proud to be a Republican and well-educated enough to know that I am capable of thinking and doing for myself instead of relying on the government to provide for me. I think for myself, therefore, while it's still legal (unless the liberal fascists take it away), I vote Republican!
Jim-356 - often people who misspell are upset and post without using the spell check feature. The second thing I've noticed is that sometimes after posting and wishing to change the post realize that spell check was not used, sometimes the edit window won't save. Might be because of the heavy traffic or the size of the seed may overloading the PC.
Hey Mike: If campaigning on the public dime is acceptable to you, then this country has no chance for reform. Just because "that's the way it's always been done", doesn't make it right or prudent.
It's attitudes like yours that continually accept the crap dished out.
"This election is a choice between the policies that got us into this mess and the policies that are leading us out of it,"
Actually, it's 'a choice between the policies that worked and the policies that are not working". Consider this;
In the 8 years under Bush, we had;
The economy (GDP) grew by 48.13%, or 6.02% per year.
A net total of 8,471,000 new jobs were added, or 1,058,875 net new jobs per year.
The total Deficits were only $2.006 Trillion, or only $251 Billion per year.
In the Last 2 years under a Democratic Congress and Obama, we had;
The economy (GDP) grew by only 1.25%, or 0.63% per year.
A net total of 6,521,000 new jobs were LOST, or 3,260,500 net new jobs LOST per year.
The total Deficits were $2.703 Trillion, or $1,352 Billion per year.
A few months ago, there was a billboard of a smiling G W Bush asking "Miss me yet?" I think the answer for most Americans is a definite YES.
The figures for the GDP and Deficits are readily available online. The figures for Jobs is at the following link;
http://www.nidataplus.com/lfeus1.htm#annl
GOP's top speaker doesn't even hold an office.
Shouldn't representation be done by representatives? What can she possibly do for you? She can take your money!! :)~
Occam's Razor - Studies when taken as whole show what you said to be true. When they are seperated out to the mood of the voters a different story emerges. On a status quo election or the happy with those in charge is proceding, a larger portion than average vote for the one who is ahead. On an angry voter election which this one and the last one were, the incumbent polling with less than 50% in the last two weeks most likely will see a much larger undecided break for the challenger.
ByOurExample, What are you just saying? The State of Alaska's financial situation is in a hell of a lot better shape than a lot of other states. Including Ill,(your boys home state,whatever!) and California,so I'll drink to that. Cheers
and you think that democRATS are intellegent??????? they are so stupid and so is obama. he doesn't deserve to be called president. he will always be obama.
To BlueCollarBlogger - If Palin had stayed in office, you may be able to compare poll numbers for Obama & Palin but until the woman holds a [prominent] elected position without quitting, the numbers are not comparable. The truth of the matter is that she quit a post she was elected to and so her poll numbers are as a cheerleader, not as a leader.
Jim-356239......
I sure hope you realize the Democratic Party has been changed to "Progressive Liberal Party" even though you may have changed it to Democratic on paper.
Welcome to the party of smoke and mirrors and do it my way agenda.
But, don't you worry. Mr. Obama has all his Czars, Unions, and special interest friends running the government.....it sure isn't him nor our Congressional members.
Yep, you got a lot of smoke and mirrors to contend with now.
Hey, you've gotta give Bible Spice some credit. At least being Governor of the most prolific of federal welfare states, until she quit, she knew how to suck off the teat of mostly blue states to take care of her constituents.
Riggsnit - appropriate signature!
The US Constitution was a response to the toothless Articles of Confederation that was formed as a knee-jerk reaction to the strong dictatorial Central Government of England. The country was on the verge of Civil war started by states levying Tariffs on each other.
The constitution was written by both basically Federalists (Pro big, powerful government believers) and Democratic-Republicans (By the people - small government). The Federalist party crashed in a matter of years because people did not want that strong of a government. liberal at that time meant limited government and freedom from government interference.
The Democratic-Republican party split into Three parties.
Neither the Democrat nor the Republican party are the same as they were in 1850.
Palin was more concerned about promoting her reality show than representing her so called political party. She is in this for the money not the people. She has been sitting in the Alaskan cold a little too long. Momma Grizzly is more like Momma capitalist.
Alex. CA......
I cannot believe you take a Newsweek Poll as truth, nothing but the truth, so help me (yep, I am going to say it) God !!
You may want to take a closer look at other polls....what a great idea.
Don't forget to vote for Fiorina. However if you have a Freudian slip and vote for Boxer, make sure you get her aide to give you some of that "pot" to make you feel better after you vote. Oh, ask Barbie to call you General.
momipapers "If Palin had stayed in office, you may be able to compare poll numbers for Obama & Palin"
If Palin was still in office, some Democratic lawyer would be suing her over the color of the shoes she wore, or the model of car she drove. The Democrats were trying to tie her up with frivolous lawsuits so she would spend the rest of her term in court, and Alaska's antiquated legal system made that possible. Just google "Palin sued over" and you'll see what I mean.
She was right to resign, so that she could be a real pain to the Democrats, and prosper financially as well.
Maybe none of our leader can lead because private multi-national corporations actually are the leaders. The government can't be the expert, innovative, creative solutions generator type of an organization/entity like private corporations are. On the other hand greedy multi-national coproartions control such a mass majority of control over our economy AND at the same time are becoming ever so more aggressive in an effort to boost market share/stock.
Personal responsiblity does not seem to apply to the representatives that 'WE THE PEOPLE' elect into office. Otherwise they might crack open their Congressional Pension fund and PERSONALLY repay some of OUR PENISON FUND aka Soical Security they have 'borrowed' from for the pet pork barrel projects over the years? Instead of our represenatives raising funds for their next election maybe they should be raising funds to help pay off some of the national debt?
'It is time for us to realize that we're too great a nation to limit ourselves to small dreams. We're not, as some would have us believe, doomed to an inevitable decline. I do not believe in a fate that will fall on us no matter what we do. I do believe in a fate that will fall on us if we DO NOTHING.'....... Ronald Reagan
KOCH Industries. There wouldnt be a TEABAGGER without them.
at least you know what's behind the teapublicanbaggers
Tug of War!
Alot of Registered Democrats and Republicans I know are planning on not voting anymore.
People want good jobs not outsourcing or welfare, people want good schools not work visas, people want good food not deregulation, people want safe communities not riots, people want their religion not yours or none at all, people want to love with out your approval, people want freedom!
Our problems are Economics. We are not lacking Resources.
the only campaigning Sarah Palin does is on her back! That's all she's got to offer to the rethuglicants and tea baggers. She quit on the people of Alaska.
Seemingly, there are people who follow BO no matter what he says or does. It's almost like a cult following. His pitch seems to have went from ---it's all GWB's fault to----the policies of the past. Same message, different package. He was and is the presse's golden boy. In contrast, the press tore Sarah Palin apart, her daughter, her family, every move she made. Fact is, they made a martyr out of her. Now, it's coming back to haunt them. She packs them is and can pull as many as BO can. BO's not running and neither is she. People look at this as a referendum on BO. Truth is, it really doesn't matter for him. He couldn't handle 40 Republican Senators. What'll he do with 50?
vote obama back in mabe we will get lucky ans some 1 will shoot the lying bastard
It must be very difficult to be an Obama liberal, seeing the totality of your political world, the basis of your views fall apart. Obviously the ideal of acceptance of other views went out the window with the firing of Juan Williams, and then have the chairman of NPR make such insulting comments rips the mask off liberalism. Couple that with NOW and their treatment of Meg Whitman, Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell and even Hillary, and you see that liberalism is a facade. Either you walk in step with the liberals up and down the line or you get damned. No room for independent thought
Got any spare "change"?
Where did all that stimulus money go?!?!?!?!?
Cash for clunker Politicians.
I'm sure you're about that, just as Obama doesn't speak for all democrats, as noted by the democrat campaigning around the country.
yup, the good ol past, when we all had a job, spending was bad, but not close to as bad as it is now. when i could afford to live on a fair wage, pay my bills, and if things got a little slow, and i was laid off.... find another job within a weeks time. When finger pointing was more to "ya see that?" and not it's all your fault on both sides of the fence, but i'll have to say it lies on the dem's side for 90% of this. They had control for the past 6 yrs, and i hope no more for a long time to come.
Jim-356239
of course you know Mac, didnt pick her, it was some dork on the republican committee right? even so, she would have been a lot better than Biden, lol. She was running on the vice ticket, not the presidential, and look at all the WONDERFUL things Biden had done so far! Best of, reassuring little kids, "Nobama the Clown is really cool!"
Meantime the only hope the dem's have is Nobama the Clown on another US tour, in the mists of hopes to save their sorry azzes, and a lame attempt to bribe the seniors, as if they are too slow to understand whats going on, lmao!
i tell ya this, seniors maybe a little slow moving, ( i always show respect, and patience if needed), but they are not stupid, or slow minded. Actually most still seem to be smart as a tack, so no worries there either. My gramps knew when some fool was trying to pull the wool over his eyes, and i exspect the seniors of today do as well!
8 days to go...... tick.......tock.......tick.......tock......
I do not understand how one can think that Obama's ratings will help unpopular Democrats.
I am voting for Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina. There is no way that I am voting for Jerry Brown or Barbara Boxer.
I am also voting to legalize marijuana (the Reps say no but even yesterday when I was speaking to Reps to remind them to vote, a Rep told me she says YES on legalizing pot). I secretly smiled because I was using the Rep's office's phones to make calls.
I AM NOT VOTING FOR STEVE COOLEY for attorney general. He spends too much time chasing pot smokers and not any time apprehending child molestors or real drug addicts using heroin, cocaine and meth. He would be worse than Jerry Brown in that office.
I am voting for the Democratic Assemblymember (state legislature).
Start voting like you're in the 21st century. VOTE FOR PEOPLE AND IDEAS, NOT PARTIES.
No kidding. Any private person would have been able to counter sue for frivolous lawsuits but because Palin was governor, she had to go through the process and IT WAS EXPENSIVE.
The people who don't like Palin are just jealous.
And to the person who said that Palin had more experience than Obama and that is why she makes more money - No kidding. Why did you use the word "but?" It made your post sour grapes instead of a a point.
In case you had not heard, SOOOOOO many people said that Palin was inexperienced compared to Obama. That is a bunch of hooey. Palin has always managed more money than Obama.
Karen in Los Angeles
Being a governor is actually the best training for a president, since they actually have to run an entire government which typically has similar agencies as a counterpart to each Federal agency. It requires real executive experience and an ability to delegate. That's why Reagan was such a successful President, after serving 2 terms as California Governor.
Senators, by contrast, don't run anything, and are just 1 of 100 Senators that merely vote on bills. No executive experience required.
Obama was merely a 'junior' Senator with no experience at all, and it certainly has become obvious in the last 2 years.
u of m I agree with all you said except I'd love to see President Obama in a debate with that twit, he'd make mince meat of her simply because she's so damned uneducated...
Jim-356239
Prime posters hatred and vitriol is typical of the losing side........
Why isn't there a fiscal conservative party with liberal social views??? Why do we have to spend ourselves into oblivion??? I do know the dems have huge amounts of money from the unions that are running negative ads. They are overspending this country into the ground. Can't anyone see it?
In answer to your first question, there is, it is called the Tea Party, which is constituted mostly of grassroots Libertarians, as were our founders. Problem is, freedom lovers tend to have difficulty with organizations, which over time corrupt. Learn the lessons from Thomas Jefferson:
"Experience has shown that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny".
And this:
“Every generation needs a revolution lest liberty be lost!”
Join the Revolution!
What? Not even remotely like this.
To put Palin next to Obama is just ridiculous. One is the President of the United States and the other is a reality show actress. The President is the smartest guy in the room, always. And the other has the intellect of a toad.
And David Gregory does not need to tell the President what to do. David Gregory needs to donate himself to science in order to figure out how to cure stupid.
Cause if the Republicans, who made the mess, retake power there are only two reasons why the voters would act. 1. The racist factor: not understanding this country is changing, and 2. the stupid. Sadly, the second reason is part of the first reason.
There is no cure for the stupid.
Chandler W. "There is no cure for the stupid."
No, but there IS a cure for 'acting' stupidly, and that cure will take place when the voters correct their mistakes of 2006 & 2008 and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are no longer spending us into oblivion.
I seem to recall a speech given by Mr. Obama a couple of years ago where he spoke of not serving either "blue state" or "red state" Americans...but that he work to serve ALL Americans.
But just watching news clips of his campaign speeches makes it easy to see that he is the most devisive president that I can remember in my lifetime. His continuing assault on ALL Republican candidates is truly devisive and destructive to the business of running this country.
Does the president really believe that elected Republican House and Senate members will simply forget all the nasty insults he has hurled at them ???
Or does this president forget his own anger when Hillary Clinton made fun of his pervasive telepromter-reading...he hotly fired back "JUST WORDS ??? JUST SPEECHES ???".
I believe that in Mr. Obama's heart...all his repeated insults are only that..."just words, just speeches"...and that he feels there has been 'no harm - no foul' committed on the campaign trail.
I look forward to next week's elections being over just so it may prompt this insult-machine of a president to close his mouth, take his lumps, and try to learn to work well with others, for a change.
MAW...
I'd join the party you describe in a heartbeat...."Conservative-Libertarian"...the "stop taking my money and wasting it AND leave me the hell alone" party.
We Americans have become trained by politicians to expect to get handed a bill every time a politician opens his or her mouth and to expect that we need to get an OK from government for each and every thing we do in our lives.
This nation was founded on the principle of "independence" and we have evolved into a land of dewey-eyed sheep holding our collective hooves out to limp politicians and waiting for their guidance and the related invoice that will surely follow.
MAW - I was wondering that myself. I used to be a moderate Republican when the GOP was the party of fiscal conservatism and citizens rights. Now I'm a Democrat because of the appalling lack of common sense or inclusion of the last GOP administration, not to mention their incredible greed, out of control spending, threats to womens rights, halt of scientific progress, unnecessary wars, and disregard for the middle class. Now we have the GOP idiot minions, the teabaggers, a collection of every extremist (neo-nazi's, misogynists, vicious hatemongers hiding behind the church, racists, bigots and random dumbasses) who elect imbeciles as candidates to run the country, and are secretly funded by corporations to protect their interests over those of the citizens. I value my civil rights under the Constitution, believe that all American citizens deserve the same rights, believe we should elect the brightest and smartest, and would like to stop the feeding frenzy at the trough of the American economy - so now I'm called a "liberal" by the fascists. I consider myself a Patriot, an actual Christian, and I too am looking for a party that represents my interests. It used to be called "moderate Republican".
Glo25420 Outstanding post !!!
Greed? You mean like the Wall Street bankers. Those Goldman Sachs who pumped money into Democrats 3/1 over Republicans? See stats below for contributions in 2008.
Goldman Sachs 3.6 (Dem) 1.3 (Rep)
Citigroup 2.7 1.5
JP Morgan 2.3 1.7
Bank of America 1.2 1.0
And "out of control spending"? You mean like Chris Dodd and the Sainted One receiving kickbacks to leave untouched Fannie and Freddie as they slobbered like slothful pigs at the trough:
1. Dodd, Christopher $165,400
2. Obama, Barack $120,349
3. Kerry, John $111,000
"Threat to women's rights"? I presume you mean stopping Late Term Abortion & Infanticide which your Sainted One Obama voted to allow for "born-alive infants". (Illinois Senate Bill 1662)
Halt of Science progress? You mean government funded progress? Bush approved embryonic stem cell research and funded existing lines. Other avenues of research have proven far more varied and promising.
Unnecessary wars? You mean the ones your new liberal friends were so eager to support and did so until the going got rough and it was politically expedient to the likes of the venerable Harry (the surge will not work. the war is lost) Reid or Dick Durbin, our soldiers are Nazi's. Yes, these grovelers for the Soros money. Nice company you keep.
Disregard for the middle class? Sure, the Dems champion the middle class, Lol! Leave us the hell alone, how's that for starters?
Then it gets to the name calling which is a turn off but I see it tickles the nipples of Alex. Cool. But you don't fool me Glo254. You are a fraud, plain and simple.
PS: How's that electing your definition of "the brightest and smartest" going for ya?
It's called common sense freempg, something you are apparently lacking. I suggest you turn off Dumb FUX news and pick up a newspaper. Yes, I will still vote for the brightest and the smartest, after all, the brilliant Barack Obama brought the US back from the brink of a full scale depression brought on by the incompetence and greed of the last GOP administration. Freempg, you shouldn't hate educated people, after all it's probably going to be an Md. who treats you when all that hate and vitriole leads you to finally blow a gasket.
Glo: You are a fine one to talk about hate; you appear to be well-practiced at its exercise. And like a typical blog bully you slink back into the ad hominem attack or insults when you can't argue or lose the argument based on facts. You appear to be about as "brilliant" as the arrogant, narcissist Obama.
Thanks, I consider being compared to the brilliant, far too modest and gentlemanly, illustrious, decent, Christian, statesman, Barack Obama, the highest compliment. But actually I'm just a senior citizen who loves my kids and grandkids enough to do my part to try to keep fascism from taking hold, and insure that they still have Constitutional rights long after I'm gone. And I sure don't want to see the party of No Ideas, no opinions, no work, (except dirty tricks) coming back to power, after two years of sitting on their thumbs while the President worked so hard to stabilize the economy and country.
I thought Obama was going to work miracles when he got into office. Waiting on those shovel ready jobs he said was out there.
Well, 3 million people did get them. Too bad 15 million people are unemployed. It sounds like you suggest the stimulus should have been larger?
Since both sides rather spend time blaming each other, I am suprised they have time to do anything else.
When he and the Dems rammed through the stimulus that didn't, Obama claimed that there were thousands of shovel ready jobs ready to go. Now he claims that there is no such thing as a shovel ready job. Kinda like when he claimed insurance premiums would go down if Blobmacare got passed and then a few weeks ago he says that he knew premiums would rise. You just can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth ( not to mention his claims of ignorance about Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright, etc).
just a nuther scam
Conservatives are the ones who redistributed the wealth to sickness and death for profit and war profiteering spawn who shipped all the jobs to China because their profit off of the work of others is their bottom line. Take a way the tea party hype and all you have self defeating sociopathic narcissistic haters.
For those of you claiming Obama did not produce any "shovel ready jobs" just what the hell do you suppose we are going to do with all this Obamanure?
...but....but...but then he said there was no such thing.....after he dumped over a trillion dollars to get those jobs.....I wonder where that money went?????????????????????????????????
according to the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs.
retirement funds for his rich and greedy buddies is where they went!
His stimulus money went into transfer payments so they didn't make it down to the masses.
theft by check
Robbin da hood.
so dick that's give or take 2 million???some estimate huh.. well sir your house is worth between 100 thousand or 300 thousand ,lmao
american: How right you are. We hear all this talk about redistributing wealth. We know where the money is. The upper 1 or 2 percent get more and more, the middle class are being destroyed and we have 43 million and growing in poverty. Still the republicans tell us we need to cut the poor further and free up big corporations, banks, wall street and insurance companies. They support the very four groups that are destroying us. They also claim the moral high ground and many of them claim Christianity.
Do they think jesus said: "Blessed are the rich, for all good things flow from them and they are wise to store up mountains of worldly goods. But, woe unto the poor for they are all worthless bums that want something for nothing. See that you help them not."
Dicks-1891035
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Americans_are_unemployed
You are just raking the Obamanure around.
CEOs: Obama’s Policies Are Deterring Job Growth
http://blogs.freedomworks.org/truthinjobs/?_kk=million%2520unemployed&_kt=79e1159e-249b-4ebd-a85e-b75cd92abd77&gclid=COP08tiy6qQCFcT75wodwliYzw
If by "running a country the way we did when this coyntry (sic) was the envy of the world" you mean the wild, wild west, have at it. If the South seceded tomorrow the first thing to go would be the minimum wage, followed by the education system...then slavery would be effectively on it's way back, with an uneducated majority working 16 hour days for $1 an hour, followed by a large percentage of them jailed because they turn to crime after being unable to support themselves and their families.
That's "the envy of the world"? Talk about a third world country...I've even got a name for you: the Redneck States of America! (insert emoticon of a face with eyeballs spinning in opposite directions here)
The "shovel ready jobs" can't be very highly publicized, Jan, as there are literally jobs posted this very night on USAJOBs (and they have been posted there for several months, so this must be a fairly large initiative) for positions to build relocation camps in the US. One can only imagine why a free country would need to be advertising for construction workers to build relocation centers. This is not a joke - look it up for yourselves online.
This is a very concerning time in America. Normal people fear the civil unrest that the liberal Congress and the central planners have worked overtime to fomment, and on an accelerated basis since the liberals took over Congress in 2006 and the figurehead post since 2008. This sort of uncertainty, domestic economic terrorism and in-your-face divide and conquer rhetoric from the ruling class is despicable.
In this climate j.wesley's idea does have some merit. We have two diametrically opposed vision within America now: The traditional POVs and values of freedom-loving and independent-minded Americans, and the economy of death and culture of death notions of the dependency-diseased and anarchist socialists who would prefer an amerika. The only resolution of such a schism, since Biblical times, has been to split the lands and go separate ways. It will be rather darkly amusing, though, when not even the liberals will want the CA, NY, IL and other liberal bastions of rot and bannkruptcy areas that they have created...
Frank Morton, there is a confusion inherent in your reference to Christianity and in the clumsy verbiage following that highjacks/exploits the word "Jesus" for any temporary effect to be gained from that.
What Jesus ACTUALLY said is, "The poor will always be with us" and more to the point, "Render unto Caesar (ie, a reference to the civil, temporal central state AKA the counterfeit as tin god) the things that are Caesar's, and to God (ie, the sacred, permanent state, AKA the authentic as True and Living God) the things that are God's." These are two separate systems and "Kingdoms" and all the wishing otherwise by exploitive Marxists who spout a self-serving, not God-serving, social justice mantra as cover for their latest theft-by-taking will not change that.
It is always rather pathetic when liberals, knowing little or nothing of either authentic Christianity or the authentic Jesus, try to rob from, steal from and destroy their citizen neighbors in the civil realm - and have the nerve to seek cover for their thievery by invoking their corrupted vision of a Jesus who is like them, rather than trying to elevate themselves to be more like Jesus.
Please spare us the references to Christianity and Jesus. Why not write about false religion counterfeits like Karl Marx, Alinsky, and other of the many liberal lightweights littering the stage now with their socialist tripe, who liberals no doubt know much better?
Keep your Marxist opinions, but please keep Jesus out of it. After all, Jesus was as angered by the moneychangers of his day trying to come into church property and confuse and defile true worship with their greedy exploitations on the temple porch as Christians are today when they see simiar now.
The DOW was near 6,400 when President Obama took over.
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/INDU
/marketstate/country/usDow Jones Industrial Average
DJIA 11,133
52 week high 11,258
Bush left a huge mess, an economy in a free fall. The economy has been growing now, the recession ended. They have been bitching about the fact that President Obama did not fix everything in 2 months.

Okay Elaine, I'll bite, but you made the claim, you back it up.
okay, Elaine, I looked it up on USAJOBS. See, I'm a skilled electrician, and I'd be great at building this paranoid fantasy that's been whispered about since, oh, election day 2 years ago. I'm familiar with lighting, alarm systems,PV systems and battery banks (to make the electric fences more efficient), and I can bring a project in on time and under budget. The best part of the job, i guess, would be using the cattle prod and shouting,"resistance is useless!".
Problem is, I read your post and went to the site straightaway. NO SUCH POSTING. To be sure, they probably camoflaged it with terms like "wildland fire fighter," and,"civil engineer", so maybe they're weeding out those not in the know. Too bad, too...I was so hoping to use that cattle prod on the republicans who have gotten in the way of every bit of the change we the 52% voted for. And on Joe Lieberman.
Here's the thing: change doesn't, and shouldn't, happen suddenly. Anyone who tells you it should is selling you something, and probably something you don't really want-sudden change is, after all, the definition of a catclysm.
There are forces at work who didn't want this president OR congress, and will stop at nothing to try to influence the "great unwashed" to go their way. This narrative was formed before election day, and they've held the brakes on the economy ever since. What they want is a reversal of the last three elections, because it works best for them that way.
What they won't tell you is this. If you clear less that $3 million a year, they'll bleed you to death, too. They don't want more, they won't settle for a preponderance, obscene in wealth is nothing to them. THEY WANT IT ALL. Their tactic is to divide us against one another so that we give up. So here's the takeaway: there is more that unites us, the poor, the lower and middle classes, than divides us. And we have much more in common with each other than with that 2% of the population that owns everything. Any government worth supporting, in my opinion, will work more for the 98%. The Masters will take care of themselves, as they always have.
To everyone out there wondering where the Stimulus Money went - BIDEN was in charge of the dispersal of funds . . . oy -- no one will probably ever know where it all went?
Certainly BIDEN himself has forgotten where he misplaced most of it!
Can we at least have ANOTHER choice for Democratic VP in 2012.
Then again - it's easy to look smart when one is standing next to good ole Joe B.
wrkrb49
I think it's probably a whole lot of wasted keyboard time trying to make sense to the likes of Elaine.
Elaine, you might want to think about this. And I think wrkrb49 could help you out with some additional tinfoil hut security systems.
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/03/03/tin-foil-hut/
Thanks, standup...LOVE the link!!!
I'm not giving up on Elaine, and I'm not giving up on America, and I'm sure not quitting on our President!
So where do I get that sweet job building the reeducation camps, anyway? I'm already an IBEW member, so I should be right in. Elaine, I'm waitinggg!
Jan,
I spend time in the mtns. Last summer and ths summer there were several "shovel ready" jobs that people who would otherwise be unemployed were working. Sorry to disappoint you.
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j.wesley
Obama showed you what he had in mind, he intends to redistribute wealth in this country.
j wesley, you're a f***ing moron. The greatest redistribution of wealth in this country's history occured under president shrub and darth cheney. Oh no, not my precious king george!!! yes.
Grow up. Get an education because your lack there of is telling. But go ahead, vote rethuglicant, get what YOU deserve. We're laughing at idiots like you.
frank - I don't think that there are many politicians left who reall y care about the masses. Just hope that the new ones coming in can fight the corruption for awhile.
wrkrb, the problem with your concept of change is that change does not need a time frame. We all are exposed to accidental change, health issues, job issues, family status issues. The real leader has something called contingencies to eliminate or minimize the negative impacts of anticipated change. None of this seems to exist in this administration, its almost as if it were planned by someone who never thought through the potential impacts. By the way, when everything is changing, it is chaos not change.
This administration uses change as a weapon, change for change sake only. And that is why there is fear in this country, fear of this administration, fear of this president's and his ideas. To minimize the fear factor, the change must be explained. This administration does it the other way, the pass legislation then try to explain it and when they can't the natural reaction is to fear what Congress and the White House is doing.
The stimulus raised between 1.4-3.3 million jobs. That's a 1.9 million margin of error. That's a good one. How about "we just don't know what any of it did"? That'd be closer to the truth. BO prevented a depression---really----for sure----or we just don't really know. I'll say this for the zillioneth time. In the '82 recession, unemployment peaked at 10.8%, inflation hit 14.76%, and the prime rate, the mortgage rate, hit 21.5%. Those are exact figures taken from the records. The foreclosure rate may be higher now than it was than, but with 21.5% interest, how many homes got sold. If BO did, Reagan surely did also. 9 days to go---see ya at the polls.
The true unemployment figures are more like 20%. The government is not reporting the Americans that have exhausted their funds or people that are not eligible from the start. Also, you have to take into account the average filing for unemployment each month has been around 95,000. There were 420,000 temporary Census positions filled, that is in that count. This country is going down quickly, because big business does not know what to do since Obama doesn't know what he is going to do next. This came out last week during the meeting with big corporations as well as small businesses. Small businesses are going to hurt drastically.
The DOW was near 6,400 when President Obama took over.
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/INDU
/marketstate/country/usDow Jones Industrial Average
DJIA 11,133
52 week high 11,258
Bush left a huge mess, an economy in a free fall. The economy has been
growing now, the recession ended. They have been bitching about the fact
that President Obama did not fix everything in 2 months.
TJmo7 your spot on ..ill vote you up...
Alex -
It's too bad that when the recession "officially?" ended . . . the economist who concluded this to be so - forgot to tell the American people.
Have you even torn yourself away from youTube long enough to watch your local news? 60 Minutes aired an excellent piece on the 99ers tonight. The sheer desperation of the unemployed who have lost everything is heart wrenching. And most did everything right - but still are now truly living on the edge.
Whether these people were laid off at the end of the Bush years or during the past almost 2 years of the Obama Administration -- NONE of them ever dreamed that they wouldn't be able to find a new job within six months!! The majority of these workers had at least a college degree or a Masters (a few even a PhD) - and were not in "outsourced" manufacturing or labor jobs. WHAT they did have most in common (other than being college grads) was that they are over 45 years old.
Anyone who was even conscious already knows that Obama inherited a huge mess. No one expected him to fix everything in 2(0) months. What most folks did hope for - was that they would at least be able to see a ray of light at the end of the tunnel. "The recession ended" is a nice (supposedly) feel-good sound bite -- but it doesn't resonate with REALITY.
As to the stock market - by all means go ahead & invest "since the recession has ended" - but what do the MAJOR investors know that the average ordinary investors don't? (pays to read the Money Matters articles, too!) Did you know that you don't have to be an American to invest in OUR Market?! Yes - invest wisely - but at least BE AN INFORMED INVESTOR.
Alex, you obviously have your WHOLE future ahead of you. One can only hope that you & the younger generations take this opportunity to actually LEARN something productive (rather than c/ping the same naive sound bite everywhere) . . . so that maybe 20 to 30 years from now - you don't all find yourself in the same dismal predicament as todays discouraged & weary 99ers.
Matt...
"3 million" ??? The president's people cannot even put a number on this...with "3 million" being one of many, many unsubstantiated guesses.
And then there's the outright lies...like those 50,000 'wind farm' jobs that were debunked as false just last week.
saint sarah you will lead us to the promised land we will follow you lock and step as we take the white house in 2012 thank god for the the tea party were takin america back!!
I think you are a Troll or a Lib Schill to make any Tea Partier look ignorant. Looks to me like you are doing your job well.
If I'm wrong, apologies but why not work with your neighbors and stay off the airwaves. If I'm right you need to get a life.
Hopefully you are speaking tongue in cheek.
u of m fan you are a lib in a lib state why attack me? were winning and you want to belittle me-why I love the tea party they actually have guts and stand up for what they believe in-why dont you ? actually ashamed that you depend on the government with social security etc no problem once we eliminate it no more shame!!
limbaugher is delusional if he actually believes that Palin is winning or will win anything. And who is we lim? We as in the teabaggers? Yeah right!
Er - No. I direct you yo post 1.11 above and my previous posts about you. A tea Partier saying and posting the things you say do more damage to the cause than help IMO. That's why I'm almost certain you are a plant. If not, why not take my advice offered in 3/1. Really!
Haven't you heard that the world is ending in 2012, if "saint Sarah the Exorcist demon expeller" gets elected, this will be a self fulfilling prophecy!
Limbaugher
Please put your brain for sale, it has not been used at all!
Ramfla - See my post about this degenerate @ 1.23 above. Thx.
BTW LOL about the brain comment!
Limburger..you are not a tea party member just a poor excuse of a troll trying to paint the tea party as racist..give it up guy you stink at your charade!
U of M I agree, Lim has the tone of someone trying to act as bad as the liberals are saying the teaparty people represent. Did that make sense? I was just down at the Michigan Brewers Assoc. beerfest at eastern market. Gotta make Mich. work.
God, I hope not,we will become a dumber country,and where everyone will laugh at us.
Nope, Oba-a-a-ma, Pelosi, and Reid is the bottom of the barrel. We can't get any dumber than this.
I thank God for Sarah Palin. Even as a GOP'er who votes across party lines I get my political laughs out of her on a daily basis. The election process would not be so amusing without her. Keep it up Sarah what is my laugh for tomorrow?
i am glad the lib name calling is so rampant here. just proves the point they have no valid points, so they call people names like a 5th grader.
Yeah back to the 1800's where most of the tea parties mentality is at. All failin Palin will do is guarantee another Dem victory in 2012. Besides we need her back in Alaska so she can keep an eye on those pesky Russians for us.
Buster2010
Isn't it odd that those that Palin endorse are winning and those Oba-a-a-ma endorse
Are losing? Forward, to the sheep dip tank there Buster.
Really, I hope Palin gets the GOP nomination. She'll put her foot so far in her mouth that it will come out her (rear end) and no sane person will vote for her. Then the only "tea party" you'll be having is with the Cheshire Cat in Wonderland!
Palin 2012!
You mean Christine O'Donnell is winning now? No, she trails by as much as 20 points...even the strongly pro-Republican Rasmussen poll has her down by double digits. Angle winning? No, every poll is within the margin of error. (NOTE: although I'd never want Angle to win -- ever -- Harry Reid is a wuss and badly needs to be replaced as Senate Majority Leader, preferably by someone like Chuck Schumer) Toomey winning? No...most polls now show Sestak closing fast, some have him leading, and even the aforementioned Republican shills at Rasmussen have it 48-44%. Ken Buck? No...dead heat. In fact, the only Tea Party candidate clearly leading a Senate race is Marco Rubio, and that's only because Meeks and Crist are splitting the non-Tea Party vote.
The more these Tea Party wackos speak, the more votes they lose.
Any voter who goes to the polls and votes blindly is a FOOL and most career politicians, especially DemNuts need to be voted out of office. Reid, (Pelosi, needs to retire) and what kind of experience and record does Obama have for creating jobs, in the last 2 years? Obama claim to fame in real world work experience is working at Baskin Robbins.
Did Obama have a good record of creating jobs in the state of Illinois, what a joke? Oh, wait, you have Blago to set on a pedestal as Democrat Illinois governor. Government, and more government, As Kennedy said, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country, and President Kennedy did not mean get a government job, (can't get fired) and live off the government for the rest of your life.
The DOW was near 6,400 when President Obama took over.
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/INDU
/marketstate/country/usDow Jones Industrial Average
DJIA 11,133
52 week high 11,258
Bush left a huge mess, an economy in a free fall. The economy has been
growing now, the recession ended. They have been bitching about the fact
that President Obama did not fix everything in 2 months.
U of M Fan
I think you are a Troll or a Lib Schill to make any Tea Partier look ignorant.
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And I think you are an imbecile. It doesn't take much to make a tea bagger to look ignorant. Just look at ODonnell and Angel. I hope your IQ is higher than their's.If so it may reach zero. Pull your head out of your.....well I'd say you know where but then again we were talking about ignorance.
Alex, In Jan., 2009 the DJIA was 8,000. You need to read your own chart correctly. I use CNBC Money and it says the same thing. In Oct., 2007, the DJIA hit a high of 14,164 and in Dec., we were in a recession. In the last 5 weeks, the DJIA increased 1,000 points. Why? They anticipate a Republican shift in congress. If it doesn't happen, it'll drop back down again. BO doesn't have a handle on unemployment and his GDP growth is anemic. He spent 800 billion in stimulus money and has very little to show for it. You can read my 2.31 above. You have to come to the table with much more than he's showing to say "I turned it". He's still trying to bust the bank. His spending hasn't stopped yet.
DG_W
"Fifty-two percent (52%) of Likely Voters say their own views are closer to Palin’s than they are to Obama’s. Forty percent (40%) say their views are closer to the president's.
Forty-eight percent (48%) of voters now regard Obama’s political views as extreme, while 42% place his views in the mainstream. "
Rasmussen reports
If this nation was able to elect the angry, petulant little child we now have sitting in the White House, then no potential candidate from either political party can be ruled out.
If a person on this site finds redemtion in continually condemning and insulting Republican or Conservative candidates and voters as awash in stupidity and ignorance...then please also educate us all on the higher levels of education and intelligence of the White House's three strongest voting blocs....Hispanic voters, African American voters, and voters between the ages of 18 and 22 years of age.
When one resides in a glass house, one's stones should remain firmly in one's pocket.
Most racists and bigots are fox baggers or repubs.
That's just it...that's a Rasmussen report! Scott Rasmussen is notorious for his right wing politics, and he appears regularly on Fox Shill...umm, I mean News. Instead of "polls" that are bought and paid for by Fox News and the Republicans, try this CBS poll:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20018819-503544.html
"Palin is viewed favorably by just 22 percent of Americans, according to the poll - including less than half (44 percent) of Republicans".
Sarah Palin couldn't be elected dog catcher with 22% approval ratings! And don't give that lame "liberal media" crap: to you on the right everything is liberal media except Fox News. And doesn't that, by definition, make them mainstream?
Stuff your Rasmussen polls.
WTF??? Did she forget who started this recession and that there has actually been job GROWTH this year vs the 400,000 per MONTH we were losing under Bush?
When is this womans' 15 minutes of fame going to end?
Job growth? Where?The public sector? the seasonal jobs? try telling that to the millions that have lost their jobs. Obummer wants us to get used to the 10% unemployment rate!He said he would focus like a laser on job creation> What about all those shovel ready jobs that he was creating? Oh, I forgot, he said there was no shovel ready jobs! OOPs another lie!Why is it Obummer has regulated all banks except Fannie & Freddie. check out and see how much money those two have taken from us already! If you like socialism , I hear there are cheap homes in Cuba you could purchase!
Come on Jim, job growth? maybe in govt. jobs but no where else. Obama has created a lot of those jobs but those jobs don't create growth just higher taxes
Jim is absolutely right - we've just logged NINE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS of PRIVATE SECTOR JOB GROWTH - versus the -750,000 jobs lost PER MONTH as George W. Dummy choppered away from the Whitehouse in Marine One after eight disasterous years of failed economic policies based on massive deregulation and supply-side economics. Dummy's "Tax-Cut" economy left America with ZERO job additions to the private sector - that's right ZERO. The same number as when Dummy took office. When these right-wing fringe types like Fail'n Palin talk about taking America Back - they mean they want to take America Back-WARD into the dark days of Depression. In November we can all say no - to the party of no and its crack, I mean "Tea" - pot candidates!!!
Hmmmm Well Jim I'm a major employer and Im not hiring here until I know HRC is unfunded and I see a republican house making smart business decisions. Ive been hiring in AP and EMEA but not here. I cant take the risk for the sake of my existing employees.
The libs are counting the job growth for the census takers and not looking when they got laid off.
Liberals don't need to knock teakettles, just let them talk, what they spout off is enough.
Jim, what job growth? Census workers,more of old liberation theology crap.
Obama claimed credit for partime census workers, (regardless of who is president, they would have been hired). now that is real job creation, and bringing jobs back to America, and High Tech.....
http://fwix.com/cleveland/article/d9b2ca7782/us_job_growth_and_loss_under_presidents_democrats_and_republicans
Sunday's Numbers: The U.S. has has gained 654,000 jobs since hitting a 10-year low in December 2009. Under President Obama, the country has lost jobs. But the nation historically gains jobs when Democrats are in the White House than when Republicans hold the presidency. See numbers since 1945.
A couple facts. The census occurs every 10 years, BO was the recipient of that. Xmas season is here now and they'll be hiring 600,000 seasonal workers, as they did in 2009. They say that the TRUE unemployment rate is about 18% or so. We've always had that % of unknowns. Unemployment is at 9.6% and holding. GDP is growing at a 1-1.5% clip---anemic at best. Government spending is absolutely out of control. Yes, more and faster than GWB did. The signs just aren't good. No, I wouldn't expect BO to get it turned this quickly. He has until 2012 to save himself. As for congress; well, we'll just see.
The fact that you're from CA pretty much says it all. Liberalsville, USA. You get 1 poll that shows a glitter of hope, Newsweek at that, and you think the earth is shaking. Go to RCP and get a much better idea on how your party is doing. BO is not running for anything. His approval rating is meaningless for this election. Your party really listened to the majority when it pushed HCR through. You quote a chart for the DJIA and can't even read the thing. Are you some kid on a computer?
"Newsweek" ???
Now there's a fair and balanced media outlet !!!
Eccccchhhhhhhhh....that lie got stuck in my throat...but I got it out anyway.
Just keep ignoring the polls and do not do anything about it.
Your right Obummer, we have not forgotten! We remember your arrogance on the health care, the bailouts and basically you are trying to decide everything for us because you think we are too stupid to figure it out ourselves! Why are all the other banks being regulated but not Fannie & Freddie? Why do you take money from Soros if you are accusing the Chamber of commerce of foreign money? Soros is a foreigner! Why did you put a moratorium on our drilling even after the experts said no need, but yet you loaned Soros billions so he could drill? Why did it take you 9 days to respond to the oil spill and then told the scientists not to let us know how mad it was? These are just things off the top of my head which will definately keep me from ever voting for another dumb dumb as long as I live! We will stop your socialist agenda!
I know what you mean. No matter what, I will never ever vote for a Republican/teabagger. NEVER. So, I guess you could say you and have a similar view only opposite.
Healthcare was arrogance but you cannot blame Obama for the bank bailouts. The whole World would be in much worse shape if it didn't happen. As Wall Street in America goes so goes the World. All he has done hasn't been bad but he did not live up to all he promised and he bit off more then he could chew and the Public could chew at once.
President Obama lowered taxes for the middle class.
I see that you are eager and ready to pay for the koch brothers tax cuts.
Is that masochism??
===Pro-gvt, anti business, Under Obama, with Reid having the ability to bring bills to vote, what has he done?. Reid, Democrat House and Senate are King Obama's puppets, and they can't think on their own. SPEAKING OF TAXES, The Estate tax expired, the Yankees owner, theIr heirs do not have to pay a billion in taxes this year because Steinbreiner died in the loophole. Obama's agenda is too busy robbing Peter to pay Paul, and going on too many vacations. BECAUSE OBAMA READS EVERYTHING FROM A TELEPROMPTER and (GWB pronounces terror, terra) Demnuts think Obama is a leader.
bush spent more time on vacation than any other President.
bush had a 26 percent approval rate for an extremely long time.
Hey, Bush isn't running for anything. Turn the page!!!
It took the Texas Rangers nearly 20 years to recover from GWB's partial ownership. How long do you think it will take the USA to recover from his presidency?
I doubt we will ever be the same. It's sort of like seeing something really wrong that you should never have to see. You never recover.
jim== how about this solution======Ret. Gen. Stanley McCrystal republican for pres. = 2012 = ==========flat tax= all is well!!
Jeesus, Jim what seminary school did you attend, Mother Marys holy roller school of the liberal left!
Jim what a dumb remark. Now all you have said is foolish and meaningless. You are a lib and as all libs you kill yourselfs by putting your foot in your mouth.
Really, Jim has a point. Bush started 12 companies and bankruped everyone of them. Do you think he was on the square? He has 2% of the Texas rangers and he accomplished that after being a drunk until he was fourty.
I think Mr Trump is in the same area.
Bush-----Texas Rangers. We're really stretching on this one. Hey, are any of them on a ballot anywhere? BO's name will go down in infamy. Right there with Jimmy Carter. Hi Ho Silver!
If Sarah is considered a "big gun" than we as a country are doomed.
Sarah Palin is too dinky to run a cub scout troop...must less a country! Guys like her because she is cute and women feel like she is just a regular Mom like them. Well, gosh, these aren't bad qualities, but all these teabaggers seem to overlook the fact that she does not have the smarts...just like George W. to run the large United States! And that voice...I muted her speech today because I thought it would drive me nuts on top of what she was advocating. If Republicans and Teabaggers don't get more serious about producing a smart, moderate , candidate...then they are going to loose members faster and faster. My husband and I were Republicans...never again!
Rob - I couldn't agree more..........
If people would just sit down and think about it, I think they would see that at least Obama, HAS done some things he promised. during the election. Considering the "circumstances" he's had, since he was elected, I would say that is a BIG PLUS!
I really do not see WHY, anyone would NOT be for Health reform? After the loss, of most Americana's life savings in this "d/recession", who wouldn't be upset. He's in office.....HE MUST BE THE PROBLEM?
It all depends on, What side of the fence you're on! The Republicans with that nitwit Palin running around the country screaming "The Sky is Falling"! and the Dems with the BIG "O" and Clinton raising up a storm, then we have the "Tea Baggers" (again with that NitWit Palin.....Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez I just love it! With what they say about each other during the election periods....How the Hell, do they work together?
It's hard to keep track of "WHAT" all these candidates, "Stand For", because of the "Flip Flopping", most people just follow the crowd, I think.......
If the Republicans take control, THEY BETTER WELL HAVE A PLAN AND GET SOMETHING DONE.....because in 2012 it'll them everyone will be yelling and screaming at, and they will be the ones "Targeted", during the election.
I personally think Obama is doing "Right" for the Country. I voted for him and so far, he's done SOME things, he said he was going to. That tells me....I GOT WHAT i VOTED FOR! Hell, given a few more years, WHO KNOWS, what he can accomplish???
Any way, I voted straight Democrat last election, and most certainly will be doing it again.....
VIVA LOS SB1070
I agree. Obama nor his administration is in no way perfect (many screw ups) but Sarah is out of this world.
I don't see how Sarah could possibly be any worse than Obama.
Nobody else seems to be able to enumerate that either.
I was laid off, along with many others, from a government job, in June. I'm nearly 62, not hot stuff on the job market, even a good job market. When I was laid off, my health insurance ended. Now I try to pay $380 per month to keep it going. I have to because at my age no new insurance company will look at me. HCR? Bring it on!
Yes, jt in sd, bring it on.
Then you will be required to pay your $380/mo, it will no longer be a choice.
Oh, and not to mention, for years and years under Reagan, H.Bush, Clinton and W.Bush you paid about $5 as a co-pay for office visits, etc., didn't you? I see now, with Obamacare, co-pays are running about $30 to $60 or more.
Not to mention that the overall costs of health insurance and health care in genreal are skyrocketing under Obamacare. You will be very happy to know that with your wonderful "HCR" you will likely be paying over $500 and moving toward about $1000 for the insurance you are required to have.
And your "wonderful" HCR will only cost taxpayers $2 trillion (actually much more since the government always underestimates such numbers) over the next several years. That will work out to about $15,000 to $20,000 per taxpaying adult. (Of course you won't have to pay any of that as long as you are not employed so no need to concern yourself with that-------for now.)
So as a fat-cat-beaureaucrat who is now laid off (thank goodness if we can reduce the government drag on the economy), yes, enjoy your wonderful Obamacare.
independantthinker - I spell it in all small letters because you sound like a very small minded person in your comment above. Indepemdant for sure.....To hell with the rest of the country HUH? A TRUE Republican.....
You spout off a lot of NUMBERS and DOLLARS in your post there, any source, or are they just YOUR closest estimates?
Yes, Obama Care as you call it, will cost us some money in the short term...but in the long run, will be what this country needs! It beats the HELL out of not being able to buy insurance, at all. Or losing your insurance when you get, REALLY SICK!!! How about those Pre-Existing clauses...Those are just GREAT aren't they???
It is time to put the U.S., into the 21st century, I would say. These insurance companies have been sucking the American people DRY, for too damn long! Over time, these costs will be reduced by having MORE people paying into the system.
As far as being required to have insurance. Well, I do not totally agree with that, however, if you have NO insurance and get sick...WHO PAYS FOR IT WHEN YOU GO TO THE COUNTY HOSPITAL NOW??? YOU ARE, but you failed to mention that COST, in your post!
Republicans ran this country into the HOLE, in the 8 years Bushie Boy was in there. I will do everything in MY power, to see they do NOT, get a 2nd chance.
So, put that in that Independant Pipe of yours, and smoke it........LOL
Go Obama
ViVa Loss SB1070
So, glw, I see you bring up SB1070. Way off point. Can only assess that you are an illegal alien?
Incidentally, the facts noted are all published numbers in your liberal msnbc, usatoday, etc., with 350 million population and 115 million taxpaying adults.
Most racists and bigots are fox baggers or repubs.
I see dingbat Palin is still at it...silly slogans, inaccurate statements, and invoking the name of some dead ex- actor...typical inbred teabagger mentality- just look at the hoots who show up and pay money to see this quitter...Â
Conrad, short and to the point! Conbratulations!!
.....you have nothing to say about Pelosi..do you?
Lmao, I dont get how anyone can look at Palin and say shes any worse than Pelosi. I mean you have to pass it to see whats in it.......dont you!
After more than 50 years to come up with a solution, after taking out the Public Options and instating the mandatory pay the Republicans asked for, the best the Republicans had to offer as a HCR idea was to scrap everything and start all over. Go back to where they were 50 years before with health care. I would have signed it without any pause as well. At least now there is a starting point and something to work with and tweak along the way as we go. Higher Premiums? Less Benefits? Higher deductibles? All because of the HCR? I'm sorry but I do not and will not have amnesia when it's time to vote. All these were already sky rocketing every year before HCR.
miketa; Universal health care would cut the cost of medicine by maybe 50% and get blood sucking insurance out of the way; But, republicans would start a world war before they would alow that. The bill has a provision to get banks out of student loans where they rape our youny people for untold billions even though the government guarantees those loans. Thats the main reason thay talk of repealing the health care bill. We must protect our hard working bankers.
Conrad go attend a fundraiser for Obama and he will SHAKE HIS FINGER at you, like the idiot you are. (It only works with your kids under 10, and Biden thinks Obama is cool). Listen to another speech about driving your car.
Regarding healthcare. It's 1995 pages written by Special Interests and voted by Demnuts who had not read it. It's time for common sense approach for healthcare, (less government and create competition). Get a IRS deduction of 40% for (out of pocket) health care reimbursement, including premiums, less expensive, more choices. If you are on welfare, or laid off, without a job, then the govt. option is for you. ( but it will make all the lazy assses want to get a job and get off of govt. option. Can't imagine top Medical School graduates working for the govt. option if they have a choice.
That Palin sub-mammal scares me.
So does Pelosi.
"We have to pass the bill first so we can see what's in it."
What kind of crap is that?
What does she take us for????
Yeah....we really need to vote for some more of that!!!!
If you don't live in California all the b#%ching you do won't ever change whether she serves in the Senate or not. The fact that she probably thinks CONserrvatives suck is enough for me.
If you don't live in California all the b#%ching you do won't ever change whether she serves in the Senate or not. The fact that she probably thinks CONserrvatives suck is enough for me.
This is the segment of Pelosi's speech in which she made her famous quote:
Though I tried to find a reason to defend it against those who talking point this to death, I have to say, I find this HCR Bill to be the only thing Tea Partiers and Right Wingers and I agree on; this needs to be repealed. But a reformed, bipartisan bill must be ready to be put in its place.
The current bill has done nothing but allow Big Insurance to ratchet up the Cost Increases at an unbridled rate. Obviously there is something being gained by not including preventative measures against the Big Insurers. Just Like Bushbama's TARP.
It's funny, msnbc coming up with an article comparing Obama to Palin. Perhaps they don't want to compare him to any real competition.
I am the first to say that Palin was a terrible choice for McCain to choose as running mate. At the time, he was like 3 or 4 points behind in the polls. Actually, he was closing the gap and possibly could have won with a viable running mate. All I can guess (yes, just a wild guess) is that he thought something like a woman, unknown, could spark his campaign, and there is always that politician ego where he does not want to be upstaged by the #2.
Having said that, I think it is a very big mistake for the Republicans to he holding Palin up as a top choice. But she is the only one out there making any noise. All the other viable candidates are keeping all their cards down, for now.
Hopefully, some of them will emerge soon and get the campaign to get rid of Obama actually rolling.
And having said that, although Palin is not a viable candidate in my opinion, she, or any other simple caring American citizen would be 10,000 times better than Obama as POTUS.
Of course, Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy, Elmer Fudd, Daffy Duck, etc., etc. (you get the idea) would be a vast improvement over Barhetoric Hussein Obull$hit.
Those here who decry having an education show how uneducated they are. You rarely use punctuation or capitilization, nor do you cite specific details about policy.
Those who bully by calling the President names show their ignorance not only of politics, but of the history of this country as well.
Again - there is no cure for stupid. If things go your way, and the country finds itself, in two years, in a hole again, will you admit how stupid you were?
Think not. The problem is that the Tea Party people suffer from Obama derangement syndrome. Those who want the southern strategy still can't wrap their minds around the fact that a black man is in the White House.
No one will ever convince me that much of the Tea Party has been used by racists and corporations who fear regulations.
Chandler W, you do not read very well.
"Barhetoric Hussein Obull$hit" is capitalized and punctuated perfectly!
i wasn't aware sarah palin knew the names of any past presidents. wow...is there asemblance of a brain beneath that face of evil. By the way sarah dear....holding your challenged son while you mug for photos only makes you more obnoxious than you really are.
I'm willing to bet her boy with Downs has a higher IQ than she does. He'd probably be a better president too.
That ignorant comment voids anything that you have to post...
Nope, I can say whatever I feel. If I think someone with Downs Syndrome is smarter than Sarah Palin then so be it. How is that ignorant? You are ignorant.
Yeah, that was pretty bad. I think Sarah Palin is the anti-Christ, but I flagged it.
HOW is that so bad? I am still trying to see what is so bad about what I wrote? Should I tread lightly because her kid has Downs? So what?
kimissuchawitch....Your IQ is only exceeded by your shoe size.
Kav, I GUARANTEE my IQ is higher than yours. There is no doubt in my mind. You still have yet to explain how what I said was bad? Someone made a comment about her posing with her Downs kid. I stated that her Downs kid is smarter than her and that her Downs kid would make a better president. I stand by that opinion. You are the lame one who can't even explain how that is bad. So, you are an idiot who likes Palin. You are so dense that you don't know why. But you hate me because I think she's a complete moron. You suck.
I like that post. Just wondering--I have an autistic grandson, (great kid). How many percentage points do you think I could get in a local race by exploiting him and parading him in front of a crowd.
Kim...don't hate you because I don't know you...but your comments show that you have no tolerance for anyone..Isn't that what a liberal is all about, tolerance...Your comment re "so what'' perhaps you should tread lightly because other people, not Palin, have a child with Downs, myself included.
Okay Kav, are you saying that I somehow hurt any person with Downs by stating that they would make a better president than Palin? How is that bad? How is that hurtful. Maybe you need to get over yourself and realize that what I said is not intolerant at all. You obviously feel the need to make everyone feel guilty because you have a child who is special needs. My niece has Down's Syndrome. If you were offended by what I said, you need help.
Political correctness does not mean being afraid of saying anything. That actually makes things worse.
b brooks,
You have absolutely no knowledge of Sarah Palin's brain or intelligence.
And, while we are on the subject, what credentials can you provide that you have any intelligence? So far, your post indicates none.
What is with the desire to do nothing about anything? Lots of talking and not much else. Iran. Unemployment. Economy. Hegemony. Environmental. The list goes on.
I hope the republicans nominate Palin for President. Then we'll be sure they will lose. Dumb bit*&h.
unfortunately there are too meny idiots that will vote for her!
She won't run. It takes too much hard work.
You got that right Mike - I think these Repubtards are stupid enough to do just that and ensure President Obama gets a second term!! I LOVE it! Ha!, Ha!, Ha!, Ha!
If she ran and won, she would quit in a year and whine about how shabbily she was treated. Always the victim! A repeat performance. All for the good of the country, of course. Then we could have her vice-president O'Donnell in charge. Almost worth the price of admission, if it weren't such a frightening prospect.
Yup... once a quitter... always a quitter !!!
I am not a very smart or informed person when it comes to politics or exactly what some of these candidates and/or senate/house/congress members are talking about on some occaisons. What i do know is that NO MATTER who has the presidency, wheather it be a Democrat or a Republican, it is always the other parties fault as to why things are not going well. You do not hear a Republican say: "George Bush really took our debt back up." or a Democrat saying: "We really didnt need to spend so much money doing this or that." I believe that Barack Obama is doing a fine job and agree with the GM bailout. Why should we have let them go out of Business? Just so we can have Honda or Toyota take over the company and no more GM american cars? Whats next, let Ford and Harley Davidson go out of business too so all we have are foreign automobiles? Instead of fighting each other, why not fight the actual problems? Like, not letting our businesses move completely over seas? Or getting our debt back down? Getting businesses back in the states? Not leeting Illegals collect welfare and/or food stamps? But, these will NEVER happen in my lifetime.
You sound like a moderate. No room for that moderate BS here Adam. Say what you really mean invert.
LOL, ok.
Thank you, Adam Bailey, post #13.2. I totally agree with you. One of the main reasons for the state of the economy...we're supporting Mexico. Now, let's all think, democrats, republicans, liberals, or whatever you term yourself. Who left those borders open and unattended? We should all be able to agree on this one...none other than President George W. Bush. It's going to take a very, very long time for the Bush administration's mess to be fixed. I don't care WHO is in the White House, what party, what color, what gender, thanks to the idiots who decided to keep him there as long as possible. And now, Sarah? Get real.
Go to Hell palin, you wolf/wildlife murderer!!!!
I agree.
Tut, tut! Let's not remind people of the crazy things she did as gov of Alaska. Those wolf killings were done in the belief (supported by her zany director of Alaska Fish and Game) that less wolves would mean more caribou and more caribou would mean more hunters coming to Alaska. It wasn't her fault that she and her people didn't understand elementary ecology, which said that the range was at carrying capacity and that the wolf/ caribou relationship was a stable, long-term one.
You mean what Failin Palin did as a half-governor??
Reagan loved the 'little guy' alright. The teflon president had his Big-Business boys 'trickle down' all over them.
Do not swallow the new elixer of the neocon Republicans. It's just their old elixer, used and rebottled for the suckers.
The party of 'No' is not the party of 'Know'.
Sure they are, they "know" exactly what they are doing and so does any american citizen with half a brain!
 That ditch you've been trying to dig us out of ,Obama, is now a canyon. Where are the 800 billion shovel ready jobs? Oh that's right there aren't any. Your economic advisors have all quit, except for the tax cheat Geitner, who should have never been in there in the first place. Wow, in 21 months you've made Bush look pretty good. Fannie and Freddie, democrat debacles are going to cost us another trillion. Bush called the war on terror a long slog, but your next two years ,Obama, are going to be feeling even longer.
" Bush called the war on terror a long slog..."
WHAT THE??? I remember "over in months, less that $1 Billion, greeted as liberators, Iraqi oil will pay for the rebuilding, etc." Seven years after promising that Bin Laden would be brought to justice and he retires in Texas leaving his successor to fix not only two wars, but a failed economy, an $11 TRILLION national debt (almost $6 trillion of which belonged to him) with tax cuts (never before given during war time) and millions of good jobs lost to Mexico, China and any other country that OUR corporations can get away with paying pennies on the dollar for labor.
I don't believe that the Democrats have done the best job over the last 21 months, but I will take another 21 months over returning to W era policies.
By the way, why is it OK when Republicans run massive deficits nation building half way around the world, but it's a catastrophe when Democrats run deficits trying to fix this country? Must be all that patriotism I keep hearing about.
sodakhic
800 billion jobs? Being a teabagger, it has probably escaped you that there are only 300 million people in the entire country.
No one said that but you, and if I were you, I would be embarrassed. As it is, I'm embarrassed for you, silly wabbit.
It is a mid-term election cycle that will involve a lot of change. It is time to vote the bums out and get some gritty business leaders in office. The foundation of the country needs to be restored so we can once again be a great nation instead of the cowering whimps we're being portrayed as by our current leaders. CHANGE IS IN THE WIND!
EZ Mamma Bear. I almost threw up
It's your gritty business leaders that caused all this mess in the first place while that failure Bush was in office.
Looks like she got one of those thumbs up his ass
That sounds very smart and informative....... yeah right.
Jim, you posted earlier about Adam being an invert, are you sure you know what that means are you sure you do not need a dictionary? And you say she has her thumb up his ass I think you have your thumb up her ass and have no clue what the hell you are even talking about!!!!!!! Palin is a stupid women anyone women who has a child and calls him a retard ya thats exactly who we need to run our country. If Palin would get into office well she quit being a govenor because of so she says " pressure" ya right if she cannot run Alaska the bitch Cannot run the United States. There all there is to it. Obama did a good thing on bailing out GM because if not, well there would be more people out of jobs. Next time you want to comment try to use smaller words and know what the hell your talking about.
Just commenting on the side by side photos and the expressions on their faces, nothing else
Adam is OK by me. How you got into a tirade about Palin from me using the word "invert" is ... Anyway I was just saying don't diminish yourself and then launch into a lecture.
just wander if she powders her tush cause rest of her smells like sh====
lets see obummer said we are going to get change--i looked in my pockets and thats all i have left..took ss raises away from us poor people but gave the govt a 2%raise down to to janitor in the white house and $50 million to the pakistans and i guess we need more of this ---do you think or can you?
cobra. If you are really on SS, which I doubt, you know that SS raises are tied to the cost of living. If the increase in cost of livng is non existant, or minimal, there are no raises. It has been that way for quite some time. The President had nothing to do with it.
Why is Palin being touted here ?.....Where's all the legitimate Republican mouthpieces ?
People may be pissed with the shape the country is in but a shift to vapid populist 'policy' is a major move in the wrong direction. Careful what you wish for folks.
If you think they're gunna bring jobs home to the US you're mistaken. The situation will just gain momentum. The Tea Party is only about small government and ultra-deregulation to allow their more affluent followers to do what they damn well please in pursuit of a buck. Joe si-pack is getting blind sided by these people.
Thankfully at this stage, support for the Tea Party splinter runs under 20%.
Yes, they know what they want. They may not be brilliant, but the real problem is with their heart. When a ceo makes 600 million and workes children for 12 cents and hour, there are many republicans who will defend that, without shame. I have heard them do it. Nothing to do with facts will change people who are that greedy are their supporters. Only force of law will check them. I am speaking of ligitimate repugant mouthpieces.
Frank, name elected republican officials who have said anything remotely close to what you said. .... and better to have start a business and fail than never attempted.... Tell me what is Obama's experience working in the private sector. Pretty soon everyone will either be working for the govt. or be on welfare.
Who is going to enforce the regulations in 1995 pages of , let's see what is in the health bill? Obama will appoint a Medical czar and the Medical Czar will hire an army of medical illiterates (on the job training) real Hi-Tech job creation.
Do I hear welfare fraud, enforcement, No, no wait, how about food stamp fraud, or .... oh, what the hey, it doesn't matter, according to Democrats, (Pelosi) food stamps are stimulus then fraud and waste is even more more stimulus.
Frank Morton is 100 percent absolutely correct.
think positively! Leno and Letterman would create some great jokes and skits!
Rus - Palin 2012 send in your money for her wardrobe
Hello everyone,
None of you know me and many of you probably won't like me. I retired from the U.S. Marine Corps 1 year ago today after 31 years of faithful service. It was 27 years ago today that as a young Marine Sergeant I served in Beirut, Lebanon and witnessed 241 of my friends and some of your sons perish in the Marine Corps barracks bombing carried out by Iranian backed Hezbollah terroists. So please forgive me for not being one of political correctness. I have since served many grueling years having had 3 tours in Iraq and 2 in Afghanistan. In that time I have lost many friends and others who I would be proud to consider my friends. I am not asking for your gratitude nor sarcastic remarks. What
I am asking for is that you get out and vote and when you do please keep in the back of your mind what these people died for. They died for your freedom...our freedom. The right to make
our own choices. While I am not a politcal pundit I do know when our country is heading in the wrong direction. I see our freedoms being taken from us everyday while we just stand by and watch. I've had enough and I hope you have as well. Thanks for listening and God's Speed to all of our troops. Semper Fi my friends.
Brian Strickland
United States Marine Corps
MSGT (Retired)
Thank you for the tremendous sacrifice and service to our country. Those 5 years is a lifetime for most of us. This great country will come out of this recession stronger then ever. Every Vet knows this. From this second on the smart way is the only way the rest is bhah bhah bhah bull @!$%#.
Brian, the Tea Party won't rest until the VA is totally disappeared. 'Diggers' won't be looked after at all if they get their way.
Thanks for your service Top....My son was in Beiruit....Charlie Company, 2nd CEB, 2nd Marine Div. He was not one of the 241, but was one that was severly disabled. God's Speed.
Semper Fi
I was part of the Naval crew to assist in the E VAC of marines. It was a rough time with brave men. Semper Fi
Leonard, Dont play that crap. Military people can make up their own minds.
Semper Fi Brian. Thank you for your service. I too think the country is on the wrong path. Obama thinks everyone needs a free college education, but I think everyone should have to do 4 years in the service. I think that would eliminate this selfish liberal entitlement mentality.
Brian, thank you for your service and your civil post.
I don't agree with you that the country is heading in the wrong direction, but I appreciate your civility.
My daughter is in the Air Force, served in Desert Storm, OSW, and one tour in Iraq. She is going to retire in February, after 25 years of honorable service.
Aim High, and Semper Fi.
Thank you for your service, my grandfather was in the 1st marine division in WW2 fought on Iwo Jima and Okinawa and somehow he lived through the war.
love u Brian , My husband was a F-4 pilot in vietnam we love your service and your love of country. we can not thank you enough. May God Bless you all
im 60 never in life voted but am this year voting him back in mabe we will get lucky and some 1 will shoot the bastard
Brian,
Thank you for your service to our wonderful country. And thank you for a very non-political post, not slamming one side or the other.
Without damning either political party,you point out that we are headed in the wrong direction, with which I agree. I am against the current administration's failures so far and do not know from your post how you feel about "one side or the other", and do not care, that is your business. I do hope that whomever "wins" in 10 days and again in 2 years, will give the utmost consideration to you and the brave men and women who protect our country. You are the "real" people, and make the politicians pale in comparison.
Good luck to you.
Do you think Nobama can lead this country?If you do than your an idiot
I don't think he can lead a McDonald's.
2 pinheads!! Louis and Horatio............
what choice do we have again another black or a woman that tush smells cause rest of her words smells
egberta and larry,
You have both demonstrated your lack of intelligence and complete low-life personalities. Please try to be at least a tiny bit civil so someone could possibly give your "comments" some slight modicom of consideration. Both of your statements result in nothing but trash.
President Obama lowered taxes for the middle class.
I see that you are eager and ready to pay for the koch brothers tax cuts.
Is that masochism??
Oh my. Palin and the hate baggers are certainly contributing to the dumbing down of America. It would be a big mistake to elect any of these half wits.
The dumbing down of America already has taken place. They elected in inexperienced ego maniac as president.
Yes, Barhetoric Hussein Obull$hit, the biggest liar, and apparently the biggest jerk on the planet.
Wrong on your point.
All these comments about Palin, and the liberal media to boot...... Do any Democrats , (if you have a brain you are not sitting on) actually think Palin would run, win Primaries and then be nominated? She is anti-cheerleader of Obama, nothing more. All the blogs about Palin, what a waste of the of time.
Hopefully you all realize that it is this "rag", msnbc that is raising the level of Palin to a comparison with the POTUS. I realize that his actions are of a level much lower. Nonetheless, he is the POTUS. To compare him to anyone not currently a candidate shows a real lack of intelligent logic. A big blunder on the part of the yellow-dog liberal msnbc.
But since they have raised the issue, for my part, I would choose any one of a large number of Republican candidates to go against Obama.
That said, msnbc has given a high rating to Palin, so she is apparently doing enough good against "their hero" to give them immeasurable heartburn.
Namecalling is all the fox baggers and repugs have. NO ideas, no plans ,
nothing new , nothing to offer. Next!!!
It would be a real shame to let the same asses that destroyed our economy to take control of our nation! Don't forget, it wasn't President Obama who got us into this mess, it was the stupidity of Bush and people like the Dumb ass Palin, whom by the way might be the dumbest person in the world! God help us all, God forbid this dumbasses take control of our nation again!
History-challenged, are you? If you study history, and I'm not talking about last year, you will find that just about every single president inherits a recession in one form or another. It is the normal economic cycle that you get an economic downturn once every 8 to 10 years. Most people would like a president who has a plan that is business-friendly and not dwell on how we got here. Whining turns people off. It is not the hope and change independents voted for.
It was Barney Dodd Bill & Bush II --everyone should own a home It is OK to lie on the application.. You are all stupid if you think either the Dems or the Repugs have it right.
We as a nation are about to choke on the legacy cost of all the public employees--some state worse than others and they will all come to Washington to be bailed out--not sure about your 401k but mine is now a 301k--should the public sector not enjoy the same privildge??
seems like you left out a pretty big step in the process: the banks.
you know, the banks that lent the money, the banks that evaluated the risk, the banks that chopped up the mortgages and sold them to other banks who didn't know WTF they were buying who consulted with the ratings agencies who pumped the estimates and got those banks to further slice and dice those mortgages into infinitesimally tiny chunks - so small that nobody even knows who owns the @!$%#ing things anymore - the banks that are now foreclosing on homes they don't own because they've hired burger flippers to sign documents claiming they've reviews documents they don't have... all in the name of ever-higher profits based on nothing but bigger and bigger bets on nothing but their own @!$%#ing greed.
how stupid do you have to be to think it's all Barney @!$%#ing Frank's fault ??
Dicks
You should have read the articles in Rolling Stone by Mat Taibi(sp). It explains the problem which began with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Frank and Dodd's manipulation of those institutions which ultimately poisoned the banking system (which was, admittedly, a house of cards). No two individuals did more to cause the crash than Frank and Dodd. The democrat propaganda machine with the help of the press that they control have managed to brainwash a lot of left wing zealots into blaming it all on the banks. It just doesn't compute.
yeah, i read that. Taibbi's a great read, but he has a tendency to push things a little too far in order to make a good story.
nobody forced the banks to do what they did. they saw loopholes and tricks and they jumped in. and then they discovered they were over their heads, with the entire economy on their shoulders, and they got us to bail them out.
Frank and Dodd didn't force anyone to come up with the idea of the mortgage-based CDO or to leverage them into vapor. the banks did that all by themselves.
If the banks are to blame it has absolutely nothing to do with the housing market that crippled this nation. It was with their backing of the oil speculators that raped the world with the help of the banking industry that supported these crooks who's tankers were their hard drives and their processors chips were their refineries. Without the banks supporting these criminals that took advantage of the war and false inflated oil prices, most of those mortgage defaults would never have happened in the time frames they did.
Those banks were not forced to make bad loans. The greedy pigs made money if one note was paid. They were gambling that home prices would rise and they would get the outher half of the country. The schems they used with those morgages would put a normal citizen in jail. So, when housing went down and they lost, we gave the thieves 750 billion. Both parties fought against the public to save their stocks that were tanking. As soon as they got the money they stole 18 billion for bonuses, to keep the brightest and the best is what they told us. We don't know how much more they stole because their was no oversight.
Heres part of what we do know. Banks have a license to steal and they do.When you pay 600k or more for a 200k home even when the government guarntees the loan you have been robbed. In the last two years our 4 biggest banks have gained over 3 trillion in assets. they are right now recieving billions in 0% loans and speculating with taxpayer and depositers money. Talk about something for nothing! They produce nothing an take mountains. Keeping cash flow liquid is what they were ment to do; but they are not doing that. Right now it is difficult for well qualified people to get a loan. So, the banks own our government and just spent over 30 billion lobbying against a very moderate reform bill. Banks,wall street and big corporations are running America and their insane greed is destroying us. If you think Dodd or anyone else made them do anything i believe you are badly mistaken. He may have helped them do what they wanted to. Right now they are forclosing on homes that they dont even know who holds the morage on them. Don't you believe for one minute they dont know better. And you can bet thet got some illegally. These pigs will do anything.
You know what's funny about what you said? All the risk packages those banks sold were actually profitable. What brought the system down was people not paying their mortgages. And yes banks were pressured by the government, starting with Bill Clinton, to give loans to people who couldn't afford them. And all of those bonuses were in contracts already signed when the financial crisis happened. And those banks were threatened with audits by the IRS if they didn't take bailout money. Good job on being clueless.
People cant pay their mortgages when job's are outsorces--read your memo
Frank, do just a little research. Find out what the community reinvestment act is. Find out what a Credit Default Swap is. Then see if you can figure out what happened. Factor this part in. Builders were allowed to act as mortgage brokers. Loans were bundled and sold to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Credit Default Swaps were not regulated and they could be purchased whether you had a vested intrest in the mortgage, or not. Then look at the role the Banking Queen, Bawney Fwank, and his Partner Chris Dodd had in these things. Then you will know why Dodd retired and Fwank is in trouble.