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here legally - you can stay
here illegally - get out (now)
Oh no you don't. don't be tyring to confuse people with common sense. Whats the matter with ya? Don't you know only racists and "haters" use that. knock it off Dean.
All rhetoric for media hype; the dems need the future Latino vote; the repos need the cheap labor for their supporters; the government workers need the illegals to justify their jobs; Mexico needs the illegals to send money back to keep the economy from collapse; the liberals need illegals as a cause to keep them united; the conservatives need illegals to rally their troops behind; all talk for the citizens to think that some one is doing their job .
We need to secure the border and then provide a way for legal residency for current illegal immigrants.
Once illegal immigrants that are given this legal residency a condition of it should be that they never be allowed to gain citizenship, vote, or receive government aid. This would only be so they can legally work (pay taxes) and live here, if they want to gain American privileges they need to return to their nation of origin and enter the United States legally. Funding for enforcement of this should be taken from taxes on the income of workers that fall into this category.
The law is clear. If you want to deny citizenship to the American-born children of illegal aliens, you will have to pass a constitutional amendment. Any legislation that falls short of this will be, and should be, struck down as unconstitutional.
What the US has been doing with illegals, not enforcing immigration laws, is NOT working! Time to enforce and change laws!
911, wars in Afganistan and Iraq, economic collaspe, and etc. is all the illegals fault.
Our tax dollars at work yet again, re-hashing yet one more thing. enforce the laws that are already on the books.
Illegals are taking jobs away from legal Americans. Employers that KNOWINGLY hire illegals need to be held accountable through increasingly tough fines up to shutting down the business. This would dry up the reason for coming here illegally.
The first time an illegal is caught in the country they should be held in a tent jail in the desert for 3 months. Sheriff Joe would be my choice to run the jail. If caught a second time a year in jail should be served. Their families back home would know there's no money coming in for months so the financial incentive is less for them to be illegal.
Being illegal has to have a consequence other than a free ride back home paid for by the USA.
I can't wait until it comes to Americans working the fields and cleaning hotel rooms. What a mess that will be.
america is the land of immigrants built my and sustain by immigrants here belongs to d natives everyone else was brought here have a heart in God we trust right we meet it and we gonna leave it mark my word to all d haters of immigrants take a look at ur family tree u will c where each of u really came from instead if all dat hate read the bible volunteer to good give it will make u a better person
The states needs to be given the right to enforce federal law governing illegal aliens. I betcha states like Arizona would have a whole lot less problems with illegal aliens.
Cavalier, maybe Americans should do that work! Americans have become lazy and complacent. Why do you think the country is in the mess it is now? Not solely because of costly wars, but because it's citizens have been asleep at the wheel too long. Distracted by Ipods and Xboxes, all the while the country keeps swirling further down the toilet. I am all for Americans doing those jobs. Hell, I did those jobs when I was in high school and college. It built work ethic and encouraged me to further and finish my education so I wouldn't be doing that work for long! Further more, I would fully support able bodied folks on welfare to do those jobs in exchange for their bennies. It's time to get off the couch and get your ass up before 2 in the afternoon and WORK for your welfare. No more freebies. The taxpayers cannot take the burden anymore. As for Illegals, if you follow the laws in place to begin with, politicians would not have to "worry" about the hispanic vote, as there wouldn't be enough of them here to count!
right on Rachel!!!!!!!
Rachel (314542)
I couldn't agree with you more. It is time our young people experience the "labor jobs." It's hard work that puts the drive in a person to better themselves. It's obviously working for the illegal immigrant families - Dems wanted to give illegal "college students" a pathway to citizenship. So this tells me illegals want to better themselves through education.
Here's a true story. 2 years ago, my son age 19 and white, tried to get a job harvesting fruit and they told him No, there were no jobs available for him. He also tried to get a job washing dishes at a local restaurant. They also turned him down, said they filled it already. He has since enrolled in the community 2 year college.
My other son age 19, just currently got hired at Target for seasonal work. He requested backroom position. He and 2 other young men are the only white, English speaking backroom workers out of 15. The other 13 only speak Spanish and all come from the same village in Mexico.
This is true! And this is what needs to be exposed. This is not an agricultural job, this is Target backroom, unloading merchandise. What young American citizen wouldn't want an entry level job like that?
to procrustes the law states children of those under control of our constitution are citizens, not any mention of illegals and anchor babies who dont seem to be under our constitution or they wouldnt be here. "illegals"
Rachel, you give me hope that the future of America is in good hands. Now all we all have to do is to promote you and others like you as the proper example. y
I'm an american, and I've done both. I'm not afraid of hard physical labor, never have been. Those people that keep saying americans won't do the jobs that illegals do are usually the only ones that won't take jobs that they think illegals are here doing. I also live in a predominantly hispanic neighborhood and know that not all of my legal and illegal hispanic neighbors are making peanuts working in a field. They all have good jobs, working as chefs making $15 an hour, working for landscapers, making sometimes $18 an hour- and I know how much they were making as my son also worked for a big landscaping company and was a foreman for about 16 mexicans. If you think they are here just working for $2 an hour, you have no idea what you are talking about. My illegal neighbor next door has 2 anchor babies, gets her rent paid for through rent subsidies and has a good job. (I'm sure) because she is bilingual she got a job working in the medical field last year and makes good money for someone that isn't even a legal citizen here. So please, quit speculating on things you know very little about.
Illegal is illegal.
From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County (L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7.The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)
Orburt and Ophelia why don't you turn them in?
If my neighbor or the man who worked next to me was ILLEGAL I would turn them in!
14th Amendment to the Constitution Was Ratified
July 28, 1868 - But even that wasn't adequate protection against the masses that would deny basic rights. Those kids born here are citizens, and to rend them from their families is against what America stands for. You might be next, somehow, if amendments are repealed...l
"It was the 15th Amendment, ratified in 1870, which finally gave African Americans the right to vote. It states that "the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude." In practice, however, it took almost 100 more years and the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to remove barriers such as poll taxes, literacy tests, and intimidation that prevented African Americans and *other people of color* from freely exercising their right to vote. Note that the 15th amendment makes no mention of sex. It was not until the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920 that *women* were explicitly given the vote." - AmericasLibrary.gov - Be careful what you wish for....the Amendments are there for a reason. Don't let congress open Pandora's Box by repealing them.
What's the fear over loss of votes if illegals are deported? Then you'd actually get FAIR voting by the people you should be looking to in the first place. If there are more Dems..Dems win. If there are more Republicans...Rep win. It shouldn't be based on who hands out the biggest government care package.
Let the games begin!
(This comment paid for by legitimate tax paying legal resident. No set affiliation to either party is recognized) /humor
First, this is a terrible mangling of the English language; apparently the government assistance provided for illegals needs to be redirected into the education system.
Second, we are all descended from immigrants. The difference is, they were LEGAL immigrants. The issue is not with immigration in general, it is with illegal immigration. If you want to move to the United States, do it legally. Learn the language, take the classes, and pass the test. If we move to France, we are expected to learn their language. Here, instead of expecting illegals to learn English, we are expected to learn theirs. Instead of requiring immigrants to learn English, we have public schools, funded by the taxpayers, that teach basic subjects in Spanish to the children of parents not even paying those taxes. Election ballots are printed in several different languages. If you cannot understand English, you should not be allowed to vote. When our ancestors came here, they learned the language and made sure their children did too.
No one is saying immigration should be stopped, just that immigrants should have to follow the law. Instead, they get welfare, food stamps, and free education when they are here illegally, and the legal citizens (including legal immigrants) are paying for all of it.
So how do you all suggest the rounding up, identification, and verification of undocumented people in the US and deportation of those found to be here outside of legal immigration laws be paid for? Are you willing to pay higher taxes to fund this work?
Stop your nosnese, 1 law, 1 page.
Require employers to use e-verify.
1st offense---- $100 fine
2nd offense---$10000 fine 30 days in jail
3rd and all succeewding offenses, $100, 000 fine 5years in jail.
Illiegal alines--- isyt offensedeportation.
2nd and all succeeding offenses--5 years in jail.
Use Rico statutes, anyone working in store front offices, aiding and abetting criminal aliens, any mimister, priest , church, city council declaring sanctuary zones, 10 years in jail.
All sentencing mandatory, no discretion for judge.
The aliens will all be gone in 6 months, very little cost most can be recouped by taking everything the criminal aconspirators have as "ill gottet gains".
Shoot on sight. Then be sure word gets out. A miracle will occur.
Securing the border first is always the problem to making any change in immigration. Unless we are willing to militarize the border, the border will always be too porous. Are we willing to do that?
Also, though citizenship requirements are becoming more lenient in countries around the world, no European country allows citizenship for illegals based on birth in the country. Every immigrant must become a citizen in a legal way when they turn 18.
The DREAM Act applies to children brought here by their illegal parents. These minors weren't even born here. So the constitutional change Teapublicans want to make isa separate issue in regard to automatic citizenship based on being born on American soil regardless of whether the parent(s) are here legally.
But as stated, it always comes back to the border. Any leniency is likely to result in a new flood across the border. Liberals hearts are in the right place, but the unintended consequences are not.
In the meantime (to answer the post above), the article discusses a law that all employers must E-verify social security numbers. It is easy (certainly easier and less invasion of privacy than finger prints) and costs nothing. If illegals can't earn a living, they would have no choice but to leave on their own, and on their own dime.
Of course many illegals are self-employed. So E-verify would not work in these cases.
Greg,
You only mention Latin Americans as "illegal aliens" needing attention. People from all over the world come here, some through legal channels and some not. By keeping your comments directed at only Latinos one must wonder what you have against that one group.
P.S. You forgot to find a way to put the name George Soros into your rant.
Dean, does the saying, "Be careful for what you wish for," mean anything to brown-shirts like you?
orbust (post 1.22) - Finally a union supporter who proudly proclaims that the employer is at fault for hiring illegals, and not the unions who send the illegals to the job site.
How nice to know that unions are so GREEDY that they only care about their own bottom line, and not about encouraging employment of legal US citizens. Unions that encourage this type of behavior should immediately be dissolved and the union leaders thrown in prison for life.
Union leaders should never be paid more than their lowest rank and file workers.
hehe Dean. Sounds pretty simple huh? unfortunately, many people don't seem to understand such a simple principle, it seems.
The first thing needed is making E-Verify the law in every state. Then each state needs to look at S.C. as a model to audit and fine companies, businesses and individuals that hire illegals. Under current U.S law there are so many loop holes that a company can use to get around paying fines for hiring illegals. Also the current fine is $250 for the first time a business is cited for hiring illegals. This should be boosted to $1000 per illegal found to be working at the time of the audit. Also instead of allowing the company to just fire the illegal the illegal's info should be gathered so that he can be arrested and deported instead of moving on to another job.
Take away most of the discretion that immigration judges have to deffer action and deport illegals immideiately after their due process is exhausted. Posts closed under the 2005 BRAC could be used to set up deportation camps instead of hoping that an illegal will turn up for his or her deportation when the time comes.
Fine Schools for not informing the Government when a person on a student Visa stops attending classes. Make the government more accountable as to who they give temp Visas to and how they track them. Fine employer sponsors the same way if they fire an employee, here on a temp Visa, and do not report it.
Enforce the 14th Amendment as intended by its writers. There is clear historic record that the writers of the 14th never intended for the children of illegals to be given citizenship. If Obama and the Dems want to make that a 2012 Political Statement they will loose much of the Independent as well as the moderate Dem vote. Not only will it cost the Dems in the Senate but will loose them more seats in the House and that onePolitical Platform could cost Obama any chance at Re-election.
Give illegals a 90 day notice that if they leave willingly they will be able to keep all their posessions otherwise put a law in place that equates the posessions of an illegal to those of a drug dealer and confiscate all their posession (except clothes, personal photos, personal papers, etc) and auction them off to help defray the costs of deportation.
Although he would definitely get the majority of the latino vote if he makes a stand on the issue; however the current voters are the ones he has to worry about in 2012. Bucking the majority got his party and azz kicking in 2010 bucking it again on giving illegals amnesty could very well be his and the Dems undoing.
I would want Congress to spend $130 billion on deporting all the illegals. If that is what it would take to get rid of them then Im all for it even if it was added to the deficit it would be well worth the cost. However with a few tightening of laws already in place most of the illegals would find they can no longer leech off the American tax payer and would self deport.
What do they mean growing Latino vote? Are the Latinos going to have more babies than anyone else? Are our ignorant politicians going to grant amnesty to illegals? What exactly do they mean?
No, actually it doesn't. The pertinent part of the AMENDMENT states:
Such concepts as "illegal aliens" and "anchor babies" did not exist, so were not addressed. In fact, before 1882 there was virtually no restriction on immigration into the U.S. and therefore the concept of "illegal immigration" did not exist at all.
So, whether you like it or not, the children of illegal immigrants born in the U.S. are citizens -- and GASP -- when they are old enough, even eligible to run for the presidency!
If you want it to be otherwise, then a Constitutional Amendment needs to be crafted and ratified. Don't count on it, because that would open another can of worms that many don't want. That one would apply to the Second Amendment. You know, the "Right to Bear Arms" one. You see, the same logic would apply.
For the 14th. "They didn't know about the current illegal problem, therefore we need to change it."
For the Second. "They didn't know about automatic weapons, therefore we need to change it."
The answer to illegal immigration is out there -- but you will not find it by mucking with the Constitution.
You will find it by ...
The stick:
1. Enforcing CURRENT law!
2. Not only securing the borders -- yes, borders with an "s" -- but tracking those who enter the country legally and overstay their visas.
3. Impose additional punishment BESIDES deportation to illegals (I liked the tent idea proposed earlier).
And now for the carrots ...
1. Lighten visa standards for guest/seasonal workers. This would benefit all parties -- the workers could come here legally, do their jobs, get paid and freely come and go. Their working conditions and rights would also be protected. Employers would not have to worry about running afoul of the law and could count on reliable workers. The government would get taxes.
2. Allow those successfully completing X number of years as a guest worker apply for permanent status leading to citizenship. This would come attached with language requirements and no criminal activity.
3. Reward employers who use the guest worker programs as opposed to hiring illegally.
A change to the Constitution is required to prevent children born in the US of illegal aliens from gaining US citizenship as right by birth. It would constitue a travesty to separate a young child from their parents as we deport the illegal parents back to their country of origin - the child must go back with their parent. We can not allow the child of illegal aliens the right to US Citizenship and then backdoor us with that citizenship to allow the parents to remain. Then it cascades to extended family etc
Turn them into whom? The authorities already know they are here, and as it stands, as long as they aren't breaking the law with criminal activity, no one is going to do a thing about it, period. We don't have vans loading up illegals and hauling them out of the country here in Southern NJ. Even when we had to call the police when my son's work van was broken into last year right in the parking lot, the police said they know where we live is a hotbed for illegals as well as a lot of illegal activity, drug trafficking, vehicle theft is high here and even they have their hands tied and can't do anything, unless of course someone is breaking the law AND are caught. These people are sneaky and they know how to get around everything. You might think its simple to just "call the authorities and turn them in" but that does nothing- no one here cares. There are dozens of agencies if not more that are willing to stick up for and help out illegals here, with free legal representation and a host of other things to let them live here.
Americans that need it can't get rental assistance, but come here illegally and its yours. Got a baby born in a U.S. ER even if you don't speak english? no problemo chico, baby gets free medical care and so does the mother.
you guys need a wake up call on the realistic side of all of this instead of just reading crap online, leave your cul-de-sacs for a day and venture down my way into the ghetto, see how it really is. LOL
Greg
Absolutely right. I have been posting against any kind of amnesty on every immigration or dream act story that MSNBC decides to post.
Most of the hardcore supporters for these amnesty programs will come on and post there little open borders hug an illegal rhetoric and then run away from all the questions posed to them. Not one of them when asked could answer the hard questions like
Why should the parents who brought their kids with them benefit from their illegal act and their illegal status?
Why should the tax payer be on the hook to pay for the loans that would be taken out by these illegals for their continued education with no recourse to be taken against them if they defaulted on the loans?
Why would the Secretary of Homeland Security be given the power to waiver any of the requirements in the Act?
Why would three time convicted criminals be allowed to enter into the program?
What recourse did the Bill have for those that did not complete college within the ten years allotted?
What recouse did the Bill state for those that were booted out of the military?
Why didn't the Bill require the applicant to gain a degree or some kind of advanced certificate?
Who would pay for the mandatory physicals required in the Bill?
If I was so adamant about supporting something I would have at least picked a Bill that I could support or request that my Reps in Congress made amendments to fix those problems. Instead Reid, Pelosi and company didn't want any amendments and wanted to force this down the tax payers throats.
Around July we will see what happens to Arizona's illegal alien employment law. If it is upheld by a majority or if there is a 4-4 tie which also upholds the law the Obama administration and scumbags like Gutierrez from IL., Grilavia from AZ. and countless ones from CA. will find their hopes shot to hell when most of the rest of the states enact their own illegal immigration laws.
It should be very interesting as soon as the new Congress is on board in a couple of weeks.
Scot: I saw that email also, the one that you quoted in your post to "prove" the danger of illeagal immagrants in our country. You might like to look at this article - http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp - to see what amount of untrue information you are subjecting yourself and others to.
Lakerman,
The Snopes page you referred readers is, in part, based on 15-year-old information and was published almost five years ago. The majority of the illegal aliens here now probably arrived within the last 15 years. Remember, a huge number of previous ones were given amnesty by Reagan in the mid-late 80s.
Get YOUR facts straight.
let me tell you somenthing that you ignores people here so call ilegals are just only and should be named undocumented workers #1 your governement knows where these people are [live] why they don't deported them first all of them support the country economy and pay taxes and social security did you ask the governement where is the money that is taken from undocumented workers such as social security and federal taxes of course not cause the millions of dollars taken from them are being used to pay the retired people pensioned cause otherwise theres not money for 'em cause the ark is been emptied to pay for the wars and so you have no money people you call illegals are payin for it so make mat 11 million by lets say100 dollars tax deducted from each one how much it is? are the ilegals make a claim of it of course not so where is the money? so before you open your mouth you better know the facts if not for undocumented workers your elders would die from hunger and therwould not be veggies on your table nor fruit and ther would not be mc donals and no burger king no dennys and so on cause you americans are complaining but won't do the jobs that imigrants take undocumented or documented theres not such shiit ligaly or ilegally if you don't know a hint about this isssue go back to your tv and good luck thanks Jose ps. don't forget that last century this country in a tricky treaty took half of my country consult history books and theres texas new mexico arizona california and even oregonparts were part of a country named MEXICO we are not saying that give back to were they once belong Im just sayin that the illegals ones and sorry if you are one of 'em were the ones that kill the indians[ if the shirt fits you]legally they should own this land so you don't belong here and even so we love you and acept you are here and we know that the american face is red yellow black and white the american face is the whole earth population face viva john lennon no countrys or borders just one planet and the brotherhood of man peace to all my brothers and sisters from earth love you all Jose free spirit
Jose,
Please learn the concept of periods and commas. It might make your rant easier to understand.
Second, most of us are not against immigrants. Yes, some are bigoted asses, but the majority of us only want people to come here to live and work legally, pay taxes and not be a drain on the system.
Third, the majority of illegal immigrants do NOT pay taxes or social security. If they ARE paying social security, it is because they a have fraudulently obtained a social security number. They do not have, what is know in the legal system as "clean hands". Therefore, they are not entitled to the money.
As to your "tricky treaty" -- good luck with that concept. The Native Americans aren't getting Manhattan Island back -- Mexico isn't getting California. If that is your idea, better hope YOU don't have a single drop of Spanish conquistador blood in YOU because the Spanish were more vicious in clearing the natives out than the other Europeans were. So .. as to your shirt ...
i dont know about other people but nothing pisses me off more than calling a phone number or using an atm and having it ask me to choose english or Spanish! THIS IS @!$%#ING AMERICA WE SPEAK ENGLISH HERE! NOT SPANISH!
Time to lock down the border with the military and show the cartels that coming here reaps deadly results which would also deter the common illegals as well... severely punish those who knowingly hire illegals... weed out the one's who are really here just working and make them pay taxes, limit remitances, and after 10 years they can be citizens... hunt down the cartel members and violent crime illegals and shoot 'em.
There's a 4 point plan for you, enough of the %*&^ing around about it.
Hard liner?????????????????????
NOT ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, this is DISCRIMINATORY against those people who choose not to serve in the military. Not everyone is cut out to serve in the military.
To the people who advocate the denial of public services to illegal aliens - please be advised that Californians did that already in 1995 but our courts ruled it unconstitutional.
Maybe we should send the justices the bill for the services the other poster outlined on this seed.
OMG Jose - California, Oregon and Washington ARE STATES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
In fact, the Californians were only too happy to become Americans.
So that you are aware - THIS CALIFORNIA GIRL (ME) IS NOT INTERESTED IN MEXICO AND I DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK SPANISH (EVEN THOUGH I CAN). IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL, YOU NEED TO LEAVE NOW.
Jose Chavez, if you don't like, it get out!!! If Mexico still had California, Texas and the other states, you still would be coming over here illegally. You would just have to jump other borders. Why don't you ask Mexico to work on the states you do have? As for the social security, don't want to contribute, stop using fake ss cards. How many of you claim children that don't even live in the US. and let me tell you another thing...illegals do claim their taxes and more than they should..all they have to do is pay $20 for a fiscal number and take one out for as many people as you want and use it to claim taxes. So your the ignorant person on here...my family too is from Mexico but guess what..they came here legally. They waited in line for 15 to 20 years but they waited and did it the right way. And nothing pisses us more than illegal aliens thinking they are entitled to get benefits that they don't deserve. And by the way, the correct word is Illegal Alien, look it up.
Espero que para la otra que escribas, sepas lo que pones.
For the English only..I said next time you write, know the info you're writing about.
Yes, I would, IF the extra taxes were used for that purpose. But considering the amount of money that goes into supporting illegals, just cutting that off would go a long way towards getting rid of them.
Unfortunately, this is DISCRIMINATORY against those people who choose not to serve in the military. Not everyone is cut out to serve in the military.
Not really. Last time I checked, and unless it changed overnight, immigrants in the service are legal. They have an SSN and pay taxes. If you do not want to enlist, there are other legal channels. Immigration is not the problem, ILLEGAL immigration is.
I hate how the media spins the Republicans are going to lose Latino Voters Hmm I live in California and I know lots of Mexicans who cant stand and hate Illegal Aliens.
It doesn't matter were the hell you come from just do it Legally.
Thanks
Naturalized American Citizen...........
with regards to our current economic problems, of course it is not "all the illegals fault". They do however play a major role in the problems we currently face. They use infrastructure which is not paid for and take a disproportionate amount of welfare and medical costs which are passed onto Americans.
Our nation has always welcomed new citizens, and there has always been a process by which a person applies for and qualifies for citizenship. Just being born here is not sufficient.
vwterry
From the MSNBC article in which this thread is based:
This whole article was based on the correlation between the Hispanic community and illegal immigration. Perhaps you should direct your concern at MSNBC. Here is the fact, the majority of illegal aliens come from Mexico and Latin America. So, yes, when we talk of illegal immigrants, most of it is addressing the problem coming through our southern border. Who is championing open borders and illegal immigrants in our congress the most? The Hispanic Caucus.
We don't need a constitutional amendment regarding the 14th amendment regarding birthright citizenship. It is not being enforced as to its original intent.
*14th Amendment
“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of theUnited States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
amerimom -- Please, get a grip. Most citizens probably don't HATE illegal immigrants personally, and are probably not racist. What most of us DO hate are what all this is costing us taxpayers. Liberals continue to put the "needs" and supposed "rights" of the illegals ahead of the needs of the citizens.
I'm beginning to hate them personally. Just like I would have very negative, very personal feelings about some invader parked in my kitchen.
Von F- Good history on the 14th Amendment.
I am first generation born in this country. My parents are permanent aliens and I swore allegiance to the United States, not the country of my parents' birth. I have a U.S. passport.
Unfortunately, I do believe that we need to clarify this Amendment because of the case you highlighted. We do not need to give the Supreme Court any more room for interpretation on this important issue.
I hate illegal aliens Mari. My parents followed the rules when moving to this country. Why can't illegal aliens do the same?
This shouldnt be about Congress cowtowing to Latinos to gain votes to get them reelected. This should be about stopping an openly gross illegal activity that's draining our resources. The legal voters want it stopped, and any congressman not in favor of tough anti-immigration measures should be prepared to be voted out of office. The Legal Americans are sick of this.
As quoted from above:
“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"
The second part of the first sentence of Section 1 may need to be scrutinized. It is an inclusive statement that clearly defines the conditions required for automatic citizenship. It suggests that all of the prerequisites be met, not just one or two, but all of them.
If we're going to use the Constitution for our decision making process, we must use it all, not just the words we pick and choose to satisfy our own opinions.
Not only must the child be born in the United States, but he or she must also be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. If the parents of the child are not under the jurisdiction of the United States (illegally in country), then how can the unborn child be under the jurisdiction of the Constitution? The unborn child is under the same jurisdiction as the parents which would be the country they hail from, not the host country.
If the parents are here legally by way of visa or any other "legal" permission and have a child while legally in this country, then yes the child could be deemed a legal citizen of the United States.
Either way, I can see no logical reason why our government feels it is responsible for supporting that child or it's parents just because it is born here. Our government didn't feel the need to support my children, why is it they feel the need to support all the illegals?
More importantly, why do the illegal aliens feel it is the responsibility of our government to automatically support them?
We've been sold out by a political system, and those who run it. We're spending billions of our tax dollars to insure a multi-billion dollar industry (airline) survives. And the reasoning behind this is the 3,000 dead in the 911 terrorist attacks. Forget that Israel had warned the airlines, and our government for years about the need for increased security. Or that in order to save a few bucks the mega paid airline CEO's couldn't justify the expense of cockpit security hatches! They have responded after the fact, and are spending more and more of our tax dollars to make air travel safer.
But why have they all but ignored our border with Mexico? The GAO did a study in 1995 that showed:
Twenty five Americans are killed by illegal aliens "every day"! That's over 9,000 dead Americans each year! http://www.infowars.com/articles/immigration/illegal_alien_crime_stats.htm
These lives don't represent a threat to those in office as they have no one to lobby for them, or to contribute to campaigns. They're just casualties of politics! And you can bet the numbers have gone up in the 15 years that has passed since the study was done. And when you consider the numbers of the other crimes against Americans robbery, burglary, identity theft, rape, etc. etc. that our government friendly media ignores, it's staggering! Check them out in this GAO report http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html
It's time to secure our border with Mexico for two reasons. First to slow the drug, and human smuggling traffic to a point where it's not that profitable. Second to assure those criminal illegal aliens that have been caught, and deported can't just walk back into our country to continue victimizing American citizens.
We can secure our border with our military, and at the same time they'll gain experience in the same type of climate they've been deployed to recently. Many say this would be illegal under our laws. They're bias has clouded their judgment.
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Marine Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.
Former U.S. Border Patrol Supervisor David Stoddard has responded to this by stating "Posse Comitatus prohibits the use of troops for domestic law enforcement. Border security is not domestic law enforcement. It is protecting our nation from foreign intruders." He also points out that the army patrolled the border for more than 46 years after the passage of the Posse Comitatus act.[15
Now how do we handle those illegal aliens that are already here? Simple, every social security card holder must have their thumbprint on their card, and on record with the agency. Then every employer has to submit an employment application with the thumbprint of every employee. The same should be done with everyone registering their children for school, using emergency room services, applying for any tax based social service programs, stopped for a traffic violation, voting, etc. That way we'll know everyone is who they say they are! This would eliminate the racism card the misguided like to play on this subject!
Those caught with no criminal records could apply to a new immigration program created for special circumstances, "after the border is secured".
Submit this to your so called elected representatives in Washington, and ask them who they represent Americans, or illegal aliens that may garner them a few more votes in their quest for power, and personal wealth?
Please, until the racitst bigoted remarks about Latinos and derrogotory induendos about the undocumented reside, we will continue to bicker about the immigration issues without any resolve. My parents came here LEGALLY, and how i understand that this is the way everyone wants immigration to be it is not possible when we are providing jobs to the poorest of the poor. Do you understand what it is to not know when your next meal is going to be? Do you understand what it is to decide to cross a desert not knowing if your going to survive just to have a chance of a future. Until people begin to understand that it is OUR AMERICAN employers that are enticing the poor and undocumented to come here we will never be able to have a reasonable discussion. If there are no jobs guess what they wont come! until then you can build all the great walls you want and put as many guardsmen and troops you want at the border but guess what , they will still come, its called survival.
And in case anyone forgot this is a land of immigrants, everyones ancestor was once an immigrant and they were probably persecuted just like everyone here is trying to persecute Latinos for doing what anyone of you guys would do under those circumstances.
Nothing you've said justifies the invasion. Look at Mexico. It is large. It has a wide variety of climates, lands, it is full of people, it has resources, it has minerals, it has everything the US has except a people who believe in themselves enough to fight a corrupt government. Do not bring your ways here.
You will go home. You will stop coming. You will. This is angering more and more to a greater degree than ever before. The politicians are beginning to turn on you. Business will turn on you. Your neighbors will turn on you.
Go away. Go home. Fight your own government or die there, which ever you choose.
The invasion was the white man coming to the Americas. Learn your history. The U.S knows about Mexicos resources, undoubtedly, by polluting their resources with the nonegulatory practices and exploiting their workers with the maquilladores (slave labor). Oh and by the way I am mot Mexican. My ancestors come south of there, but of course in your eyes we are all the same. News flash, Mexico, Central and South America are all AMERICA. And no, compassionate open minded people like myself will not go anywhere, the U.S is my home deal with it. I pay taxes and deserve to excercize my rights just as you do. People like you do not scare me, it is people like you that motivate me to encourage and protect the very people you despise.
P.S - Latinos will not forget come the next presidential election. Obama will have a second term, rest assured.
400 years ago, Europe came to America in hoards. Yes, I know. That is a good reason for battling the invasion of the Hispanics (if you prefer--you're right--it is all the same to me) now.
And I know what I need to know to tell all illegal aliens to go home. I know they depress wages, take jobs from US workers, make increasingly greater demands upon social services to which they are not entitled, and maintain a loyalty to their home nation which benefits from the cash influx.
I know what the maquilladores are, and the problem there is the same as all through Mexico. An essential corruption which is accepted by the people.
There is nothing sympathetic about the illegals to someone loyal to the US.
Actually, the undocumented, contribute more than they use up in social services. Yes illegals CONTRIBUTE in the form of state taxes, local taxes and they use ITIN's ( individual tax identification number ) to pay their federal taxes.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm
YES. Their value to the US economy is in the TRILLIONS! they are not only consumers, but they are also tax payers that pump billions into Social Security every year too
http://blogs.chron.com/immigration/archi…
Illegal immigrants' value to economy? $1.8 trillion
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/may…
Report: Illegal immigrants contribute billions to state
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news…
Report: Illegal immigrants contribute
They pay some taxes. They are also likely to be living in a joint household where the women are receiving aid for dependent children, food stamps, and medical while the husband works and lives there.
Cheaper for them to go home.
Also, if you are born here, why do you hold such loyalty for illegal aliens to invade what you say is your country? So much so that you will protect them from your country. That shows the loyalty conflicts.
Lastly, when the whites invaded the Americas as you put it, would you really task them with bigotry for hating the whites?
There is nothing unreasonable in my stance. You just don't find it warm and fuzzy to your interests and it isn't. It is warm and fuzzy to the interests of the people of the US who remain loyal to the US.
By your own words...
There are not enough legal voters among the Hispanics to be much of a threat on the political front.
Obama is done no matter what the Hispanics do.
And the Dream is dead.
One more thing. Illegal alien males pee outside constantly. You can't stop them. It is like the world is one public toilet. I used to chase them out of my yard because they peed everywhere.
Talk about a failure to assimilate.
thanks sobi for proving my point! (ignorance is bliss)
What, you don't think I should object?
LOL
This is where the impact of Republican control of the House of Representatives is revealed.
Since legislation is supposed to originate in the House of Representatives, then go to the Senate, and finally to the President for signing (or veto), the Republicans, with a simple majority, will pass lots of good sounding legislation, like tougher immigration laws, which the Democrats in the Senate will try to block, or Obama may have to veto. This will be a politically precarious time for the Democrats in the Senate where they have 23 seats to defend in 2012 vs only 11 Senate seats for the Republicans (Democrats recently lost 37% of their Senate seats up for grabs, the Republicans lost none). Obama will also have to defend any veto of popular legislation prior to his re-election bid.
Requiring employers to E-Verify work eligibility for their employees (over 99% accurate) would be a good start, and without jobs, illegal immjigrats will self-deport themselves. At a time when over 15 million Americans are out of work and 12 million illegal immigrants are possibly taking jobs away from Americans, this is just common sense.
Cavalier-416769 said, "I can't wait until it comes to Americans working the fields and cleaning hotel rooms. What a mess that will be"
There are unlimited numbers of work permits available for illegal aliens that want to do these jobs so there is no reason to remain illegal. Unfortunately, the people that support these people appear to encourage them to remain illegal.
Miss American Latina - with all due respect I'd like to tell you a story. I am half Cherokee and the other side arrived in 1714 to settle farmland in WV. So my family has been here for a long time and have been very poor at times. Every generation of males in my family has served in the armed forces in every major war we have had including the American Revolution. We have earned a voice as tried and true Americans. So please do not give me any info on how I am also descended from immigrants. My Native American roots go back 1000s of years.
What I'd like to share with you is my first home I bought. I just worked my way through school, got a great job, and was engaged. Bought a house in a nice Northern VA/DC suburb. Understanding I was thrilled and for five years not a problem. Over those years a number of illegal immigrants started buying up homes (7-8 people responsible for the mortgage) and nearly 20 + people living in a tiny house. After the fourth year MS-13 gang moved in. Yes, the real gang. Within that year we had 7 drive by shootings, arson, drug deals galore. I could no longer leave my house without being armed with mace and couldn't walk my dogs anymore or enjoy the park. The worst was the dog fights. So many awful nights of hearing that. Also, the shooting of the guns off in the middle of the night. I couldn't dialogue with these "neighbors" because no one....I MEAN NO ONE....spoke English. It was awful. In the end we were forced to flee. I sold the home to 12 people who didn't speak English and moved away.
So in the end I want to point out my problems with illegals. They are criminals in so many ways. I don't hate immigrants, but want them to WANT to be American. Assimilate. Also, please stop gaining the system in terms of housing, stealing IDs, welfare, child care (one family hate 15 children). Also, before you say why didn't you call the police...well as previous poster so pointedly said.....the police hands are tied. I got help once from Animal Control on the fights, but they just went out and bought another dog.
Please if you don't feel we are talking appropriately about hispanics/latinos- whatever makes you feel comfortable- realize so many people here have suffered if not more than the ones crossing the desert. My advice is to embrace the fact that you are American and if you really feel strongly about helping your brethren please go to Mexico and fight for their lives there.
Before you get wild with the fines to the employers you need to look up the civil rights of a worker first. It's illegal to ask if they are legal or not. You cannot ask them if their fake ID is fake. Just take the information they give you and go with it.
American Latina said:
So I take it you support making E-verify mandatory and heavy fines for the employers who hire them then? Great! We'll take away the job magnet, and they won't come or self-deport. Welcome to the fight against illegal immigration. What are you complaining about anyway? Nobody has a problem with legal immigration, which you have stated clearly your parents did.
WTF12345
What a sad story. The liberals want to talk about the illegals "just looking for a better life", but they want to ignore all of the crime and violence that comes with them.
If we want to be realistic, there are about 6 BILLION people in the world that would love to come here - legally or illegally. Unfortunately, it's the ones from the South that are able to easily make the trip. Also, it's not the "best and brightest" that are streaming across our borders - it's the poor and uneducated that come here, have kids, and then milk the welfare system.
California's massive welfare system, and it's looming bankruptcy, that are the result of this lack of enforcement of our immigration laws.
PS - There has never been a real test of the concept of 'citizenship by birth' for children of illegal immigrants, and we need this issue addressed by the Supreme Court. All of the existing case law has dealt with children born to LEGAL immigrants - look up the case law for yourself.
TO ROY WILSON @1.85 - you don't exactly know how congress works, do you? Bills having to do with appropriations originate in the House. Bills such as the Dream Act originate in the Senate. Please read the constitution.
American Latina, I'm in your corner, and in the corner of all who have come here for a better life. I'm sorry that the people of the USA are showing their worst side now. Terribly uneducated, racist fools lacking in heart and soul.
RaisedByWolves "TO ROY WILSON @1.85 - you don't exactly know how congress works, do you? Bills such as the Dream Act originate in the Senate. Please read the constitution."
Here's what wikipedia says about the House of Representatives;
"The composition and powers of the House are established in Article One of the Constitution. The major power of the House is to pass federal legislation that affects the entire country, although its bills must also be passed by the Senate and further agreed to by the President before becoming law"
You might want to take your own advice and "read the Constitution". lol
As for the 'Dream Act', it's possible for bills to originate in the Senate, but it's not the norm.
Sorry, Roy, something about 8th grade civics class stuck with me and I zapped you: appropriation bills must originate in the House. Still true, but then I realized that several other bills originated in the House only to die awaiting the dorks in the Senate these past two years.
"Many of those attending a recent gathering of conservative Hispanics in Washington warned that another round of tough laws surrounded by ugly anti-immigrant discussions could doom the GOP's 2012 chances.
Fist of all these are discussion around fixing the problem of ILLEGAL immigrants not "ugly anti-immigrant discussions".
Secondly, look what pandering to illegals did for Dems in 2010.... it annihlated them, except for in Arizona and California where the problem has grown large enough to perpetuate itself against the legal population through spineless politicians.
If Republicans stray from supporting Americans to pandering to illegals as the Dems have done, then voters will simply shift to the Tea Party. Courting 20% of the population who have absolutely no right to representation against the other 80% who pay for it is complete stupidity for any party wishing to remain in existance.
In the November election 8% of the voters were hispanic. This means they are legal citizens of the U.S. You can't vote if you aren't a citizen. So what I hear you saying, is just because they are hispanic they shouldn't have representation?
American Latina
The news cites that you posted are old tired lame and full of BS. Look at the one where the author claims that the U.S. would loose $1.8 trillion dollars in annual spending. So what you are telling me is in 2008 when this stupid idiot wrote this story trying to make the illegals sound like world savers instead of the cock roaches they are, that each and every one of those leeches actually account for $222,222.22 in spending???? EACH, Really and you want to stand by that????
Our total GDP for 2009 was $14.3 trillion and Consumer spending equalled approx. $10.1 trillion. So what you are saying is that 3% of the total population of the United States of America generated approx 1/6 of the total spending in the U.S and 1/8th of the total GDP???? Keep in mind these are supposed to be the lowest wage earners, the ones doing the jobs no one else will do and they are supposed to have that much effect on our economy????? Pull your head out.
In the USA Today article the author said that $9 Billion dollars was paid into Social Security because of 9 million mismatched w-2s. They pointed out that mismatched did not mean illegal but lets assume they all were. Since social security tax is 6.2% and employers have to match dollar for dollar then 9 million mismatched w-2s resulted in a total of $500 per filer paid into Social Security. At that rate all 9 million filers averaged a yearly income of approx $8,000.
Please tell the audience how 9,000,000 people making $8,000 in income would cause $1.8 trillion in spending to disappear. Keep in mind these are your posts so you are guaranteeing their accuracy right????
If you need me to, I can eat the rest of those reports up too. Just let me know. The facts are that illegals are a drain on the economy. If they pay into one area then they take out more in others. We do not need them nor does the majority want illegals here. Legal immigrants are completely different. They are more than welcome and they are the ones that are the boon to our economy, not the ignorant, poorly educated, for the most part, masses that we now have to contend with.
Kill the jobs and the snakes will slither home.
Cavalier-416769
"I can't wait until it comes to Americans working the fields and cleaning hotel rooms. What a mess that will be."
Yes, unemployment in negative numbers. What a mess indeed.
erictheredherring,
You really do need to get out more often. The sunshine would do you a lot of good. Apparently you really have no idea what you're talking about.
Many Americans already do work in the fields, and many (and I do mean many) Americans clean hotel rooms. They also clean hospital rooms, surgery rooms, nursing home rooms, dorm rooms, office rooms, public restrooms, stadium bathrooms, restaurants, stables, mall bathrooms, and I could go on and on but I think you get my point. If not then it's not worth wasting my time explaining it to you anyway.
I really don't know what country you're in that you honestly believe that "all" cleaning jobs, and "all" agricultural jobs are held by non-Americans, but all you're doing is making yourself look ignorant (seriously).
While most Americans would rather not stomp around in muddy fields hoeing cotton, they would do so if that's what it took to support their families.
Where the problem lies is the government rewarding bad behavior. By that, I mean stop rewarding those who choose to live off of unemployment when they could be out taking some of those agricultural and housekeeping jobs.
Just because they don't take those jobs doesn't mean they won't if they have to.
Al in Oregon
I think if you go back and read erictheredherring's last post he would agree with you. He was quoting Cavalier's post of how it would be a mess if Americans were working the fields and cleaning toilets and you can see that he said that yea what a mess it would be if the illegals were gone and unemployment was in the negative numbers.
I agree with both of you. Americans will do any job as long as the pay is right. If all the illegals were gone tomorrow most employers would come up with the extra money to pay for the additional labor costs.
Will some businesses close because of it? Yes. However if there is a need for the services these companies provide then others will take their places. Most of the jobs that won't be replaced are those catering to the illegals such as their community grocery stores. No great loss!
The bottom line is if they all left tomorrow it would not negatively impact our economy and in fact would put more legal residents back to work and get the illegals off the tax payers backs.
My bad and I apologize. I'm guilty of two mistakes. I didn't scroll back far enough to find the initial post he was responding to and I didn't read his response carefully enough. I know better and I don't normally make such stupid mistakes.
I'm just starting to get fed up with all the illegals and out of country know-it-all's that keep bashing Americans and saying that we all think we're too good to do labor intensive or low level jobs.
erictheredherring, I apologize.
New England needs to set up a border to keep the Americans out.
Works for me.
I'm a big time Patriots fan since 74 can i still get in? or will i need to get a green card?
That's fine. We'll stop shipping oil and gas to New England.
Try that on for size.
LOL.... works for me to.....
never-mind commonwealth
i have decided to become a coyote instead, lots of money and no work. and i can blend right in, ya see i know how to speak Boston, you know, "get in the kaar go to the bhar hav a bhear". and as soon as i get there i plan to get me one of those rich commonwealth ladies,( maybe a Kennedy or a Dodd ) drop an anchor baby and i am set for life. Everything Free. Nothing but Maine lobster from now on....yep going to be sweet.
Patriot's and Sox fans all get multi-entrance visas for life. Oil and gas? No thanks, we're going green. We'll be switching to the Canadian dollar too, after all, the Fed is printing green backs so fast, they'll be used as toilet paper soon.
commonwealth
great retort
Go Pats!
And go DUH Bears ( knocks out the jets)
@Hiheals, we don't care about the American immigration system. If you're an American and not a Patriots or Sox fan, you're not welcome in New England. Take your American laws and go back to America.
Funny thread is funny.
I like that, I haven't lost anything in NE and wouldn't go back to looik for it, if I had.
yep ol' commonwealth will be going green alright! They have a fair number of trees up there to burn for heat , streams and rivers to generate power and forests to provide plenty of rabbit, woodchucks and bambi to provide protein.
Rather wonder if the canadiens think the NE really has any value? lol.
Given the number of Canadian cars and visitors up here, I would say, "Yes, they do believe we have value." We like them too.
I like their beer and wine as well, the type they keep for domestic consumption not the watered down stuff for export, aye! Too bad their coinage doesn't work well in american vending machines.
scooter tramp
OMG - you made me laugh so hard but I don't think any of the Kennedys live in Boston anymore. I could be wrong.
As former New Yorker and former New Englander, please be aware that NY is NOT part of the New England states.
The New England states are:
Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
Connecticut
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Ia. ScooterTramp
What a loser. Didn't you know Boston has no "R's" in their language?
It's "bah", and "cah". You'll get busted the first time you say a word.
They lost all of the "R's" a long time ago, but we found them out here in Oregon.
Yup, we "worsh" our cars out here and they "wash" their "cah's" back there. (Do they even breath through their noses back there?)
z
Agreed.
And let's start with Hollywood actors.
New York is not part of the New England states????
What do you think the "New" means and where do you think the original "York" is?
Greg in Oceanside
Let me get this straight. You're from California and you're talking about New England states being broke? I believe CA is currently the most broke state in the nation.
Illinois is up there with the 'broke' states too.
Oregon has to be up there pretty high as well. We've had many long established businesses and industries go under.
I'm sick of this administration's policy of pandering to Latino voters by supporting illegals. Having a law that says anyone can sneak over our border, drop a baby and live off the American taxpayer for life must end!
Obama has no other choice if he’s considering running for re-election in 2012; no one else will vote for him.
And I am sick of people like you with simplistic, error ridden, suggestions to resolve the complete problem that is illegal immigration in this country. I would expect that level of cognitive action on a grade school playground and not in the market place of ideas. To be sure you are not selling it and giving it away does not work either.
The first thing we need to do, is start a movement to get rid Janet Napolitano head of Homeland Security she has been the cheer leader for illegal’s, she comes up with the dumbest reasons for not going after illegal’s putting signs near the AZ. boarder telling Americans to stay out of their own land rather than putting troops on the boarder and in towns in the US, that are over ran by drug dealers from Mexico. She is a lap dog for Obama and we all know were Obama stands on immigration and immigration enforcement. She takes her orders right from the White House and does nothing on her own, if she does she makes a fool out of herself. Let’s face it as long and Obama and his lap dogs are in power we will have an uphill battle unless we start to demand that Homeland Security changes its leader. We will then show Obama we will not be pushed around and draw a line in the sand on immigration enforcement because he still has not gotten the message.
It's always nice to know that all this started in the afternoon of 1/20/2009.
Nice try, but the 14th amendment was adopted by the United States in 1869. I don't think even Rush Limbaugh could blame Obama for that one. LOL!
And to think, Obama got rid of the aggressive illegal immigration policies that Bush had in place for his 8 years in office. What a step back we have taken on this issue since Obama was elected!
Yeah!! Because Bush's Tactics really worked? Whatever!?!!
..........." mindful of their NEED to keep a good footing with Hispanic voters."
What about the rest of us 300 Million PLUS AMERICANS ?? What about the millions of people who have come here LEGALLY over the years and followed their hearts to the "American Dream" through the LEGAL process to become American citizens?
I know it must be pretty CONVENIENT to find yourself strategically located just south of the U.S. Border and just wander across with your pregnant wife and kids in tow DEMANDING the "American Dream" while those from other parts of the world not so strategically located, go through the waiting process and and all the legal hurdles to become American Citizens. I don't buy your "Dream Act !!" And the majority of Americans don't buy it either !!
David vs Goliath: No one else will vote for Obama?? DADT passage has just ensured him more electoral votes than he can get from the hispanic community. But I believe in the next two years, knowing it will never pass, he'll pound the soul out of DREAM and gay marriage and villainize the GOP in hopes of garnering even more electoral votes. When you add up both groups and their supporters and factor in the black vote [a given] you have a serious contender.
I totally agree. The republicans should not accept any latino votes. I can't imagine why latinos would vote for them anyway, but just to keep the party "pure" no latino votes.
Bush's aggressive policies? Let's see!
America's immigration system is outdated, unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. We should not be content with laws that punish hardworking people and deny businesses willing workers and invite chaos at our border. It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take, that rejects amnesty, that tells us who is entering and leaving our country, and that closes the border to drug dealers and terrorists.
We're increasing the border security of the US. We've got 1,000 more Border Patrol agents on the southern border. We're using new equipment. We're using unmanned vehicles to spot people coming across. We'll continue to do so over the next four years. They're coming here to work. In order to take pressure off the borders, in order to make the borders more secure, there ought to be a temporary worker card that allows a willing worker and a willing employer to mate up, so long as there's not an American willing to do that job, to join up in order to be able to fulfill the employers' needs. It makes sure that the people coming across the border are humanely treated, that they're not kept in the shadows of our society, that they're able to go back and forth to see their families. The card it'll have a period of time attached to it. It also means it takes pressure off the border.
Source: 2005 State of the Union Speech Feb 2, 2005Latinos have come to the US to seek the same dreams that have inspired millions of others: they want a better life for their children. Family values do not stop at the Rio Grande River. Latinos enrich our country with faith in God, a strong ethic of work and community and responsibility. Immigration is not a problem to be solved; it is the sign of a successful nation. New Americans are not to be feared as strangers; they are to be welcomed as neighbors. Source: Reforming the INS, in “Renewing America’s Purpose” Feb 9, 2000
We hear claims that immigrants are somehow bad for the economy, even though this economy could not function without them. All these are forms of economic retreat, and they lead in the same direction, toward a stagnant and second-rate economy. Source: 2006 State of the Union Address Jan 31, 2006
I could keep going, but I think that sounds "aggresive" enough
Actually, Cavalier, those latinos who have become citizen using the presecibed methods and route for citizenship are just as upset by the illegals. They also tend to vote republican as they tend to be more conservative in their views and have actually worked toward their citizenship.
RIGHT ON --- Got that right!!!!!
Tammy- Your Right, here in Florida we just elected Marco Rubio to the Senate. His message is clear on illegal immigration (none) and he gets respect from the Latinos in our State. He could be a potential candidate for the 2012 Presidential run contrary to the negative MSNBC view they present to their majority of Liberal readers as Republican candidates (Palin, Romney etc.) vs. Obama... It might not happen but there are good Republican/Tea Party candidates like him that believe in enforcing our borders and following the Constitution, unlike Obama and his minions (many just shown the door recently, Ha Ha, Hel* Yeah!!!). We had a good start with the November elections and it was a good Upper Cut to the chin for Democrats who think they can ignore the majority of American voters and not have to pay the consequences. Anyway since the Pro Illegal Party was decimated there will be no new Disgraceful Bills legalizing illegals during the Republican/Tea Party watch, you can be sure of that! Have a Happy New Year!
From Aug. 19, 2010-
"President Obama has signed into law a $600 million bill to deploy some 1,500 new Border Patrol agents and law enforcement officials along the border, as well as two aerial surveillance drones. The bill was quickly passed by Congress in a rare display of bipartisanship." Democracy Now
From Aug. 12, 2010-
"In 2009, the United States deported a record 387,790 people – a 5 percent increase over 2008. Nearly two months before the end of the 2010 federal fiscal year, the deportation rate is down slightly from 2009, but the number of removals is still likely to be more than triple what it was in 2001." The Christian Science Monitor
Idiot get your information correct. There is no such thing as an anchor baby's law in the US. Just because you have a baby, it doesn't mean you get to stay here. Thousands of illegal parents of US citizens kids are deported every year.
Also, thousands of them don't get caught.
remember what obama did to Arizona when they tried to do something about illegal immigration,and the hispanic cops who sued there employers.if we allow more illegals in and then make them legal eventually they will have enough votes to say no borders
before you writte better know the facts undocumented workers pay taxes as you do the difference IS you got back your fuc.. money while those [undoc. workers wont and tha money will be used to fill up your social security arks that now a day are empty IF NOT FOR 'EM otherwise your elders would BE panhandlers so you better thank those people besides your CIA and FBI KNOWS where they are but need their money to paY SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS MAKE THE MAT 12 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED BY 100 DOLLARS EACH LETS SAY TWYCE A MONTH HOW MUCH IS IT? NEED A CALCULATOR ?
Come on woody, if you're honest you know that Bush would have done the same thing when it came to Arizona. His administration would have sued them too. You can't just hang this on Obama. That's if you're honest.
Jose, your posts are full of garbage and not even close to the truth. They don't know where all the illegals are but even if they did they wouldn't do anything but not for the reasons you state about taxes.
OK the FACT is that any undocumented worker (read illegal alien) that is paying social security taxes has obtained a social security number FRAUDULENTLY. That means they do not have, in legal parlance, "clean hands". So even if they "pay in", they are not entitled to get any money.
But that makes up only a very small percentage of illegal aliens. In the meantime, just as an example, our school systems are educating their children. I doubt they are paying the property taxes and state income taxes that support the schools.
Bottom line, if you want to come to this country, work and be a productive, tax paying citizen -- you are welcome. IF you do it legally.
Jose, please....you know that they do get taxes back...they all have a fiscal number that they get from the IRS. The only reason they have that is because they are illegal and they claim more dependents then they have. Why would they want to get taxes back when they fill out the W2's they put they have like 6 kids and barely get anything taken out in the first place.
I think Jose needs to be deported....
And all of Jose's relatives too
Europeans did likewise in their ships and slave boats when setting foot in Ameridia-a land not native to European people. From Canada to Chile not a single European existed under 400 years ago. Native Americans are indigenous people of every sort from the Aztec to Inca to Navajo to Blackfoot-their differences are merely in name. Texas-Ca-Nv-Az were all once completely Mexican. Now the same people who illegally migrated into Ameridian lands look to call others illegal? If we are all to go back to where we came then take yourself back to Ireland-Britain-Hungary. Not one personof your colour/culturre/language and customs is native to this land. Please do so start the immigration reform with the MOST illegal immigrants-Europeans. They killed/raped/lied and plundered this great land and stole all its riches and invaded a continent that had ZERO history of any Europeaness.
Actually, they weren't indigenous people either. They did not spontaneously develop in the Americas rather migrated over the land bridge which is now the Bering Straits.
Granted they were here first however.
Pandering to foreign criminals helped cost the Dems big in 2010 and their shameless attempt at pushing through the "DREAM" act before having to vacate the seats that American voters took back from them serves as a reminder of the future that is at stake and the house-cleaning that needs to continue in 2012.
vwterry
Bush sends 6000 troops to Mexico border, removed by Obama and replaced with 1200,
http://articles.cnn.com/2006-05-15/politics/immigration_1_illegal-immigrants-guest-worker-program-legal-status?_s=PM:POLITICS
Obama stops construction of border fence,
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2009/05/08/obama-halts-border-fence
Beth -
The Native Americans have much more claim to the Americas than europeans or any other people as they were the first homo sapiens on the American continents. If you really intend to get that technical, all Europeans, Asians, and Australians are immigrants to their continents as well.
The thing is that native American roots go back to a point earlier than the last land bridge between Asia and the Americas. Did you know that the remains of Neanderthal man were found in the LaBrea tar pits in the 1960s? The finding was ignored by 'mainstream archaeologists' because it didn't match their ideas of what happened. There are sites dating back 50,000 years in South America - again ignored because they do not fit with accepted theory.
At what point do a people become indiginous, in your point of view?
here legally-you can stay
here illegally-you go to jail...then you go back to where you came from
Illinois? NEVER.
sorry tinman misread that...but it still works..kinda
Don't send them to jail, send them to a work farm for 6 months making parts for a wall for the border. A real wall like in Israel, not some flimsy fence that can be gotten past.
We just said no to Dream Amnesty and we're ready to start up again in 2011. No Amnesty for illegals, EVER!!
Secure the borders, start using e-verify, turn off the entitlements and start mass deportations if necessary.
We're fed up with the coddling of these criminals.
Well Then, you need to find someone to wash and clean up after us American slobs, or you will need to find someone else to build your outrageous house, oh and it will cost you more money for just about everything!!! The price of fruit and veggies will triple, vacation homes will become overgrown and unsightly!!
Look at this country!!??? Who is doing most of the real work or Hard labor?? Think America, THINK!????
How many people do you know that say " I won't work there!! I would rather not be paid or continue collecting my unemployment check!@!
Ask you to think first???
Cut off the unemployment and see if that attitude changes.
Twoeagles....enough already with the tired, old, ridiculous "oh Americans won't mow their lawns, do their laundry, build their own houses, pick the fruits/vegetables" bs.....that is just juvenile, ignorant, and frankly pathetic. This country will do just fine without all of the illegal, money sucking, criminal element from south of the border. Your hystrionics are laughable....
"Look at this country!!??? Who is doing most of the real work or Hard labor?? Think America, THINK!????
How many people do you know that say " I won't work there!! I would rather not be paid or continue collecting my unemployment check!@!" Seriously? Do you actually believe that garbage?
Oh...and excessive use of question marks does not get your point across any better...it just makes you look childish.
So, the cost of my house, fruits, and vegetables will go up.
My taxes to for Medicaid, unemployment, WIC/welfare, and ESOL education will go down.
Looks like a fair trade.
Twoeagles -
Frankly, I would trust American citizens to work on my home before i would trust an illegal - and believe me, I check.
New Orleans used to not have a big problem with illegals until after Katrina. Since then, you can watch them every day waiting outside of the Lowes and Home Depot stores trying for day labor. The INS needs to come and collect them.
Please explain to me why I would wish to hire a criminal to work on my home? A criminal who doesn't even consider learning to speak English, by the way. A criminal who doesn't know the first thing about building codes in this country or in this locality.
and the states who pander to the illegals should lose all federal funding. they are criminals right along with the illegals.
My cousin used to work in construction. Cant find a decent paying job now because they all hire illegals. My wife, a legal immigrant, work as a housekeeper in a hotel here. As did several of her legal immigrant friends.
Let me remind you that most likely your ancestors were illegal in this country at some point as well. Not all illegal immigrants are criminals only a few.
Had the US immigration laws to get a green card been as tough and difficult as they are now. I guarantee you that your ancestor would have cross the border or get here some how anyway.
Immigrants chose to come for various reasons, such as to live in freedom, to practice their religion freely, to escape poverty or oppression, and to make better lives for themselves and their children.
Yes, I do agree that they should stop illegal immigration and create programs where they can come here on the temporary bases to work and then leave.
Currently there are very few of those programs and for the most part, you can only get a green card if you marry a US citizen or if your parents and or siblings claim you.
Back in the late 1800's, all immigrants were processed through Ellis Island. All they needed was paper stating who they were such as a birth certificate and papers stating where they were coming from. There were no citizenship tests or anything else like there is today. Sometimes, their names were shortened or changed as they entered the U.S.
to the moron chris1979.your an idiot.first we came here legally second there were test they had to take and do so in English third there are already laws with quotas for legal work visas and finally in 1800 they did the best the could with what they had to work with 20 20 hindsight yeah if we could go back in time and neutered the slaves and not allowed illegals in and your mom would have never given birth to you and so on and so forth
Farms can get legal guest worker labor through the H-2A guest worker program. There are plenty of people from around the world that would be happy to work in the United States for a year or two in order to earn money to provide better lives for their families.
The H-2A program benefits farmers in that they know in advance that they will have the labor force that they need to harvest and grow their crops. (For example, a farmer in Washington said that he used to have to hope that enough illegal immigrant labor would show up to harvest his apple crops...but now he contracts in advance for 150 Jamaican legal guest-workers to work on his farm).
The H-2A program benefits workers from other countries because they are allowed to travel legally and safely to work in the United States. They are also guaranteed fair working conditions, wages of $10 to $12 per hour, and the employer must provide housing and pay for transportation to and from the guest worker’s home country.
As the federal government cracks down on more farms that are employing huge numbers of illegal immigrants, more farm owners are choosing to use the legal H-2A guest worker programs. It is a good solution to our labor needs and part of the solution for our immigration problems.
TwoEagles, your thinking is completely infantile. I also don't know where you live, but maybe you should venture out and see some real americans hard at work, maybe in the coal mines of West Virginia, or crawling around in crawlspaces installing heating and ventilation pipes. I don't know what kind of americans you know, but the ones I know work their a$$es off.
Two Eagles
Really??? The cost of buying a house would go up. Where have you been in the last several years. Are you that ignorant to believe the Home Builders are passing the savings they might get by hiring illegals to the buyers. BWAAHHHAAA. What a joke. Also if you haven't noticed the price of houses is at an almost all time low in much of the country.
Lets look at that tired old fairy tale about lettuce costing $5 per head. In Calif. the Agriculture Dept at U.C. Davis did an extensive report on the costs for growing and taking to market various fruits and vegetables. The report wasn't designed for immigration however since it was done in an unbiased and in depth manner it is perfect for showing how ignorant most people are when it comes to what a farm operator would have to pay in labor costs to make a head of lettuce $5.
Per U.C. Davis an average farm in an average year growing lettuce will have a crop of approx 800 cartons of lettuce per acre with each carton holding 24 heads of lettuce. In 2008 and 2009 the going piece rate for picking, packing, palletizing and wrapping a carton of lettuce was $3.15 per carton or just under $0.13 per head of lettuce. The study showed the farmer with this average crop would make approx $600 dollars per acre if he sold the lettuce at $.50 per head after all his costs were taken out.
Total cost to the middleman for transportation, loading and unloading etc. and the final store markup costs the consumer approx $1.10 per head. To make this a $5 head of lettuce a picker would have to charge $4.03 per head of lettuce picked. Not carton but head.
Even if the laborer only picked 2 cartons an hour. That is one head of lettuce per minute for 48 minutes and then took a break for 12 minutes per hour he or she would be making $193.44 an hour. For that kind of money there would never be a shortage of farm workers. Everybody would want to be a vegetable picker. So that ridiculous argument is just that, ridiculous.
Same with any other type of goods. Labor is usually no more than 1/6th the total cost of any given item.
Please come up with something better than the costs of goods will go up and that everything will cost a fortune if we run off the cock roaches.
http://coststudies.ucdavis.edu/files/lettuceicecc09.pdf
What do unemployment benefits have to do with illegal immigration? Let's talk about the facts and not go off on unrelated tangents.PLEASE!!!
Chris1979
"Not all illegal immigrants are criminals only a few. "
illegal adj
1. forbidden by law; unlawful; illicit
criminal adj.
2. Relating to the administration of penal law.
3.
a. Guilty of crime.
Does this clear it up for you?
if you cross the north korean border illegally you get 12 years hard
/> labor.>
/> if you cross the iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.>
/> if you cross the afghan border illegally, you get shot.>
/> if you cross the saudi arabian border illegally you will be jailed.>
/> if you cross the chinese border illegally you may never be heard from
/> again.>
/> if you cross the venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy and
/> your fate will be sealed.>
/> if you cross the cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political
/> prison to rot.>
/> but,
/>
/> if you cross the u.s. border illegally you get
/>
/> 1 - a job,
/> 2 - a drivers license,
/> 3 - social security card,
/> 4 - welfare,
/> 5 - food stamps,
/> 6 - credit cards,
/> 7 - subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house,
/> 8 - free education,
/> 9 - free health care,
/> 10 - a lobbyist in washington
/> 11 - billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your
/> language
/> 12 - and the right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you
/> don't get enough respect
Disgusting isn't it? All because the liberal base needs voters and are willing to sacrifice Americans to get them.
tinman1967 Maybe they should take your post and blow it up and display it in the halls of congress.
Allen, excellent idea but they won't..
tinman1967:
Now, if that doesn't outline the difference between America (the greatest country in the world) and the rest of the @!$%#holes you mentioned, I don't know what does. It makes me feel proud to live in a country where we take in the poor and huddled masses and give them life and hope for the future, the rest of the places you mentioned, I would even want to visit let alone live in.
America is the greatest country in the world.
It's terrible that we have a current system where the poor and huddled masses are allowed to move here to continue that lifestyle by gaining government aid to allow them to work a low paying job, not learning our language to prevent them from improving themselves professionally, and having them keep a seperate community that furthers a class distinction between ethnicities.
or you could say that we are the most arrogant or dumbest nation in the world to think that we can afford to support the rest of the world. I think it is a little of both. No one will care about our national debt until something drastic happens where our standard of living is hit. You think that is now, it will get much worse. State governments can't afford to continue to support people and the federal government's interest debt will equal distretionary spending within the next 20 years, so won't be able to borrow anymore and will crash, just like the old Spanish empire. We aren't above history and definitely are to arrogant and ignorant to learn from it.
there was a guy here from mississippi,and he got deported.it even happens in canada.
hockeypuck
A Mississippi "good ol boy"in Canada? lol, Heck you should have let him stay until winter, bet he would have self deported, woulda saved ya some money. :)
You are so right, that why I stopped voting for the LIBERALS.
tinman and Ticked Off, I'm a moderate Republican, and the illegal immigration problem has been going on for years and years! And, there's enough BLAME to go to both the Democrats and Republicans in Congress who have turned a blind eye to this escalating problem. Trouble is, Congress IS "the problem" by ALLOWING this to happen.
If Congress had enforced our "existing federal laws," this would have never become such a major problem. Federal laws prohibit employers hiring employees who are not "legally" documented to work in the United States, and vice-versa, employees without the proper legal authorization are not allowed to work in the United States.
Congress can't figure out what to do with the problem THEY created, and now Congress realizes that Americans (Democrats and Republicans alike) are royally ticked off that this problem has escalated literally -- out of control! It's a true mess!
I'm all for LEGAL immigration! Come here with the proper work authorization. Otherwise, you should not be here. It's really that simple.
I am willing to agree that it is a serious problem? But the only real way to make this happen is to deport everyone, then take everyone on unemployment or food stamps or any number of other programs and put them to work earning that check the get for sitting on their ARsss's. I mean every single person that gets any funding for doing nothing (Basically a waste of a Human-being) to work doing the job of those whom we just sent packing.
Think about that people??? I know 75% of those people think they are to good for this job or that job???? Hum, Hum I know I am right!!!
who wants to go to north korea tinman!!??? idiot!!
tinman was trying to make a point of what happen's when you go into other country but i see that it does not matter to you that those are fact 's so who the fool and an idiot
I am sick to death hearing how we americans can not wash our own toilets, make our own beds, or do our own farming. Who the hell do you think was doing it before these criminals entered our country illegally?
If you think we will not survive, why don't you GET OUT of MY COUNTRY, and teach me a lesson?
Ignore this guy, obvious shill. It's written all over the mismatched romanization of his name. He's obviously fluent with english so that would never be an excuse as to why he's using romanization from two different dialects.
Quan Wong
Chuan Wang
Not, Chuan Wong.
Our mothers?
Many on the professional left will cry "racist" if you speak out against the illegals but most of us are against illegals be they from Mexico or Scotland or Sweden.
Being an illegal means you're breaking our laws.
"Look Mom, I can cut and paste". So you think we should be more like North Korea? Are you nuts? Actually as an illegal you are not entitled to benefits. With what we spend being illegally in Iraq in one week, we could pay every illegal alien in this country enough money to go home and live the rest of their lives. Right-wing hogwash. I bet you have never met an illegal alien in your life.
Tinman.............these are your role model countries? Fascism is alive and well in America. Is something wrong?....................I know, blame the foreigners, it couldn't be the Americans, why we're perfect all the time! We would never hire an illegal to save money, no way. Do you think I'm so selfish that I would think of myself instead of my country? ha ha
You hate the opportunity of the American system? Go live in Iran or Afghanistan.
Nobody automaticalyl gets those things just by being here. You earn a job. You pay for unemployment and education via taxes. If they are illegal, they aren't getting SS cards. If you really believe illegal immigrants are getting loans for houses; I have a bridge to sell you. STOP WATCHING GLENN BECK, he is rotting your brain.
Good post!!. This should be sent to every congressman and senator.
Anybody sneaking into north korean needs some serious mental health drugs.
Why do you think it is a good idea to emulate the very worst countries on the planet.
If we listen to republicans that is exactly how we will end up. As a Far Right Theocracy with an elite class and a majority in poverty.
George Bush nearly got us there. If we let republicans lead we will surely end up with another mess. Every time republican have implemented their economic policies it has caused a recesssion. This is not an accident it is republican policy.
I challenge anyone of you "naysayers" to produce papers that show or indicate that you're a "legal immigrant".
Sorry all, but you're "illegal immigrants".
Johndevine,
Obviously you have no clue what caused this economic mess. It had nothing to do with Bush or the Republican Party.
First, the economy was singing right along until Democrats took control of the House. Do you know who controls the purse strings? The House does, not the president.
Second, the economic downturn was started by the mortgage industry meltdown. This meltdown was caused by Democratic policy that forced banks to give mortgages to people who could never make the payments. It then hit the insurers of those mortgages as they were forced to pay out the claims.
It was in fact the Socialist Democrats that intentionally created this mess so they could have a crisis in order to gain more control. You should learn from this lesson. Liberal ideas DON'T work, never have, never will.
You need to study the uprising of Hitler and how he gained the trust of the German people because Obama is following his playbook page for page. Germany was already in an economic depression when Hitler gained power but the Democrats had to create an economic crisis to serve their purpose. Remember the October surprise the Democrats kept promising leading up to Obama's election? It was the lid blowing off the mortgage industry and they knew it was going to happen and planned for it to happen right before the election. Republicans like McCain, Paul and Bush tried to warn of the coming perils but Barney Frank and Chris Dodd refused to allow anything to be done about it claiming that Freddie and Fannie were in fine shape.
Don't blame this on Republicans when it was clearly a Democrat policy that caused this mess. Get your head out of the sand and see for yourself. The left wing blog sites are blinding you from the truth.
Acid Rain - I hate Glenn Beck and am a liberal, but when I have lived through what you are talking about I have to say something. You have NO idea what they get. I know for a fact in my case they did get a mortgage, DID steal my ID. I did prosecute (my bank did) on the ID. However, on the mortgage granting, back when they were being given to any tom dick or harry, they could get one. So you are very wrong. If you don't know about something don't write in.
Oh yeah, that bridge you want to sell me, maybe you should talk a long walk off it. Or maybe just hold onto it until you have a real factual comment.
josephi,
Let's see your immigration papers fool ! Yeah, I didn't think so.
WTF12345
So you admit that you're confusing identity theft with illegal immigrants? You're proving my point. We don't give loans to illegal immigrants. But we do give loans to citizens, even if they are actually criminals posing as citizens.
Basically, you have a problem with criminals, not with immigrants.
My facts are sound.
tinman1967:
"It makes me feel proud to live in a country where we take in the poor and huddled masses and give them life and hope for the future, the rest of the places you mentioned, I would even want to visit let alone live in."
Even at the expense of bankrupting our country and ignoring our own laws.
No AcidRain. I spoke out because they were proven illegal immigrants with my ssn. They were definitely here illegally. THEY WERE DEPORTED, not charged here!
So what? Would you rather we pay for their defense as provided in the constitution, or get them out of the country?
If even half of the measures outlined in this story actually become law a celebration all across America will break out! Illegal immigrants need to get out of the US and take their "anchor families" with them. Apply for entry in a legal manner and we will welcome you as long as you stay crime free.
Sneak into this country, overstay your VISA, commit a crime then don't let the door hit you on your way out!
Oh, I love macho tough talk. You call em 'illegal immigrants' while others see them as 'economic refugees.'
If you want to stop the attempts of people trying to find a better life by relocating themselves or their families, then the reason for that migration must be fixed. Check out the latest census report that points out the extent of internal (to the US) migration.
As a democrat I guess this brings up a good point, how is it that the southern states appear to be more economically viable than the rust belt? Does the South have more jobs or is it just because it finds itself in a squeeze play between Mexico and the economic decline in the North that it is rapidly growing? Perhaps it's the climate that's the great attractor.
This is not a factitious question, I'd like to really know what's going on here.
wje37fcsm, the annual number of green cards the U.S. gives is 1 MILLION. With that high of a number, how is our immigration laws broken? We need quotas for a reason. Keep in mind, the Great Wave was about 500K a year. Already 1 million is too high, add illegal aliens on top of that we are looking at a population explosion. The number of illegals in this country is more than the population of Florida. You want to know what's going on? California is bankrupt, hospitals closing, schools over-crowded, social services being used, trying to accommodate all the illegals and rampant flow from the southern border- all on the taxpayers dime. They're not coming here for the weather, but for the welfare state.
wje37fcsm
"If you want to stop the attempts of people trying to find a better life by relocating themselves or their families, then the reason for that migration must be fixed. Check out the latest census report that points out the extent of internal (to the US) migration."
I don't think many will disagree with you that the immigration system needs to be fixed, however just ignoring the laws isn't fixing anything. We need to start with enforcement to get things under control and then revise the immigration laws & quotas.
Unfortunately The U.S. has no power to fix corrupt foreign governments. The citizens of those countries need to stand up and do that for themselves.
Here's another reason we must stop the invasion...
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/video/educational/immigration-world-poverty-and-gumballs-updated-2010.html
Thank you for this link. It was very informative. All you foolish politicians that think its important not to 'offend' the hispanic population better take a good look at the majority of Americans (and its growing all the time) who are fed up with people coming here illegally and taking our jobs, our resources and filling the jails with more and more illegals who come here and commit crimes and then wind up burdening the criminal justice system yet they aren't deported for their crimes but imprisoned here at our expense. Statistics show illegals are respnsible for closing down hospitals because they can't pay for services and since this country operates on a "for profit" health care system (which is another insantity), many of the border health care providers are in serious financial trouble. Eniough already! Stop illegal immigrants from coming here! Start enforcing existing laws. And for all the states and communities that are passing laws to try to prevent illegals from staying here, I hope it continues. Its just that a lot of these laws are now being tested in court and it seems they are being overturned in court. So it seems that no matter how fed up we get or how many laws that are passed to help the situation, the illegal immigrant still 'wins'. Oh yes--and I haven't even addressed the issue of illegals sending US dollars home to their families. Some $14 billion a year gone to another country. Wake up America! Keep on protesting in any way you can the illegal immigration mess!
I'm in Florida and they have destroyed the job market. We're anxious for Rick Scott to GET TO WORK!!!!!
Ticked off-2603796
Don’t go looking for Scott’s help. His transition team is already considering making unemployment beneficiaries do community service while collecting benefits. He's only for big business!
David vs Goliath - And your point is???????????? Unemployment beneficiaries SHOULD do something for the money GIVEN to them. That's not "for big business" that's just common sense.
Ticked off, I agree. Wait have they even thought about the Hispanic population who are Americans and can vote? I can assure you, most of us are sick of the Immigration laws not being enforced.
Like that isn't going to have any spin on it...why don't you find an unbiased source.
lilo75
"Wait have they even thought about the Hispanic population who are Americans and can vote? I can assure you, most of us are sick of the Immigration laws not being enforced."
Many are, who's identities do you think they are stealing? Generally not someone named Jones or Brown.
Hopefully the Hispanics in the US will remember this before they vote Republican. I understand why the Miami Cuban population votes Republican -- they're still mad at Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs fiasco. But any other Hispanic group who believes the GOP has their best interests at heart is just deluded.
Unless we are Native American, we're all descended from immigrants. Show some compassion.
Legal immigrants not criminal immigrants. There is a difference. Immigrants that came for a better life, worked hard and didn't expect a hand out. Unlike these that think we owe them everything. They are thieves of the American people and not worthy of being in this country.
And they have the nerve to protest and make demands on our government while waving their Mexican flag. LOL yea, these are decent people!!!
I could care less if the Latinos don't back the republicans if they don't believe in our laws.
HankE Please return to current day reality. There is a huge difference between a legal immigrant and illegal aliens. One followed our laws and the other ignored them.
Why do illegal invaders refer to themselves as immigrants?
Arizona, because the Latino groups coaxed them. LaRaza, Meccah.... these are hate groups pushing the issues to our politicians.
What gets me is that the federal government does not see groups such as LaRaza and MechA as being dangerous to this country, but groups like SCA (the Society for Creative Anachronisms) and other history re-enactment groups are.
Just how stupid and blind can the federal government be?
Never mind, I forgot we're talking about politicians.
HANK - weak and ill informed. First, Native Americans are not native either. They crossed the Bering Straight. At what point did you find it acceptable to pick an arbitrary cutoff date?
Second, the argument has been against illegal immigration. Allowing for a porous, undefended border, the majority of legal immigrants to this country came through Ellis Island - legally.
FYI, I am mostly of Irish European descent (you know, the outcasts of their generation), partially Iroquois. I think I can see both sides of the argument clearly. Hispanics are a wonderful and interesting people, and they've enriched our culture. I still want them coming in through the front door, not illegally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas
A little poem I wrote a few months ago..............
They come by day, they come by night.
They come from the left, they come from the right.
They don't want trouble, they don't want a tussle.
They just want to do the anchor baby shuffle.
Sneak across the border 'bout week 37
And you're on your way to welfare heaven.
All expenses paid by Uncle Sam
And you can live the life of the Queen of Siam.
Anchor babies here, anchor babies there
Anchor babies anchor babies everywhere
Just drop that load
And your life is turned to gold.
The Republicans are very much in favor of mass immigration. It lowers wages for the working class. Including engineers, teachers, and nurses who are being laid off by the thousands while H1B visas still steam in.
It was a Republican president Reagan who last gave amnesty bringing on yet more invasion. McCain was promoting the latest amnesty bill, Bush too. If five Democrats hadn't voted against it the Dream Act would have passed further depleting educational and other resources.
dilweed (no offense)
hankE - define Native American? Your certainly not referring to the Indians that were present when our ancestors arrived from England, etc. Those Indians were not the natives just the next to last migratory group - our ancestors were the last. Can't be illegal if your not violating a border, Americvan Indians did not beleive in landownership or nations - they opeated as migratory tribes.
Native Americans are not "native to the USA,,,read a history book d.a.
Correct me if I'm wrong, (and I'm sure someone will) but didn't Reagan grant amnesty on the democrats promise to strengthen and enforce border security and immigration policy only that part was conveniently forgotten once the first part was on the books?
The DREAM act is a bit of a quagmire as far as I'm concerned. The children it speaks to covering are stuck in a donut hole through no doing of their own- they didn't ask to be brought here and weren't given the option to stay behind, often they've known no other home than the US and don't have someplace to go back to. Ultimately I have no objection to extending citizenship to those who have grown up here, kept a clean record and chosen to serve our country through military service. If you're willing to put your butt on the line so that myself and others can sleep more safely at night, you've earned your path to citizenship. I disagree, though, when the DREAM act gets to the part about granting citizenship to those completing SOME college education. Somehow that just doesn't sit well, especially with so many illegals getting tuition breaks that are not available to legal citizens. If the DREAM act were to, say, require graduation and set tuition levels at the non-resident level, exclude the student from government backed student loans or require repayment in full of the government backed loan in order to obtain legal citizenship then I might reconsider, but as it stands now, I'd like to personally thank everyone who voted it down. Stop making it attractive to cross the border illegally, start enforcing the laws we have on the books and see who's still here in 5 years, then we can talk about the next step
RaisedByWolves
And of course all of you proud white americans are ready to clean other peoples' toilets
responding to the below post - this white guy has a job that INCLUDES cleaning other peoples toilets, making beds, etc. its called a JOB. nothing to do with pride, or lack of, it pays the rent.
Suzy-2005071
I agree 100%
Those who serve at least 3 years in the military and receive an honorable discharge already qualify for citizenship, no dream act required.
http://www.visalaw.com/05mar5/2mar505.html
And of course all of you proud white americans are ready to clean other peoples' toilets, mow other peoples' lawns, etc.??? All I see here are comments from people who are afraid of becoming a minority, and all I have to say to y'all is: instant karma.
Get real. We have always had a large immigrant population, some legal, some not so much. It just doesn't matter. As to our neighbors from the southern countries, most of them have roots here in north america. The Dream Act is a fair law to take into consideration youth who had no idea that they were immigrating illegally.
So the kids "had no idea" they were immigrating illegally. Isn't that their parents RESPOnSIBILITY, not mine? Why should taxpayers assume the responsibility that their parents did not show. They are not citizens; it's tough an dmaybe not "fair", but its time to send them all home.
Please don't do the "they do jobs Americans won't do" crap!!!!! We're so fed up with it. WE BUILT this country on hard work. My great grandparents, grandparents and father did not use illegals to do the hard work.
We voted down the Dream Act during the lame ass duck session and we're ready to do it again.
No AMNESTY........................
"some legal, some not so much. It just doesn't matter" Wake up, it DOES matter. Maybe it is time to find out just who is willing to pull their own weight in this country. Send all the illegal aliens home, cut out all the public assistance and see how the country will improve overnight.
Do you have a hard time putting the word illegal in front of immigrant?
You get real wolves. It is your thinly disguised racism that is the issue. Why do you believe that all white people deserve bad carma if you are not a bigot yourself? White people have been doing all sorts of menial work including farming, mowing lawns and cleaning toilets. The nightmare act was a political ploy to garner votes, period. For you to believe otherwise only shows the depths of your ignorance. So every child that had a rough childhood should have their education paid for by the tapped out taxpayer? Why do people like you think the resources in this country are endless and the money the gov throws around was not worked for and earned by someone elses labor? Someone who does not owe illegal aliens one thin dime.
oops sorry didn't mean to give a rating... I was just trying to click on to reply to you.
First off you are wrong in your assumption that us white americans (your verbage not mine) are too proud to clean other people's toilets, mow their lawns etc...
I have cleaned other people's toilets, my father has picked oranges and as for the lawns.. they have lawn services owned by white americanss and worked by white americans. I think your comment is racist. I am just using your own words. It isn't just the white americans that we have to worry about here... there are the black americans, the brown americans, the yellow americans, etc, etc. the main word here is americans, not the color of the skin. So go pick your nose somewhere else please.
I don't think that the babies of the illegals should get anything from us. Most of them know that they are illegal themselves but don't do anything about it so why should we give them anything? If they want citizenship for themselves, let them put themselves in harms way like our brave soldiers are doing, for the illegals freedom to protest in our streets, then give them citizenship when their time is over. But also what should be in their paperwork is a statement that they will not bring over or try to make their illegal relatives legal. If they don't want to join the military, kick them out back to their parent's home country. They should know the language and customs so it shouldn't be too hard to assimilate.
Raisedbywolves,
Them wolves did a lousy job.
Oh those poor hard-working illegals who came to this country to live the deam of scrubing somebody else's toilet. Please. Illegals 'take the jobs no one else will take' and make lower than minimum wage because they are here illegally and are always under the risk of deportation. Do you think they'll continue to do those jobs for next to nothing once they become 'legal'? I doubt it. They'll be demanding at least minimum wage like every other citizen.
I disagree with Raisedby Wolves, but I do applaud the fact that you are one of the few proponants who knows the difference between immigration and illegal immigration. So many of these posts confuse the two.
The argument always seems to fall into the "we're too proud" category. This argument fails miserabley.
I cleaned toilets to put myself through college. The point is, I wasn't too proud to do it, just had a higher goal in mind. When I graduated, I got the job I set my sights on, and quit cleaning toilets as a means of income. I earned the right to allocate my resources, if I choose, and hire someone (legally) to do certain things for me. Of coarse, I'm too cheap to do so.
On the other hand, if someone elses ambitions reach no higher than cleaning toilets all of their life, they also have my blessing. Some people find an opportunity. I personally know of people who started the same way and now have a business cleaning toilets that employ many people. Waste Management started with one guy and one garbage truck. That man was a white, natural born citizen guy who wasn't too proud to handle garbage.
The toilet cleaning argument loses crdibility, too, when you take into account the many non-immigrants who regularly collect our garbage, operate our sewage systems, or the many plumbers who are paid to stick their hands in your toilet. THEY ARE NOT TOO PROUD, they are just determined to be paid commensurate with their skills.
So I'm saying, if you have legitimate arguments in favor of illegal immigration, I am anxious to hear them. Just haven't accepted the logic of any that have been regurgitated so far.
for·eign
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Maybe Illegal immigrant isn't the right name, lets try Foreign Invaders.
RaisedByWolves said: "And of course all of you proud white americans are ready to clean other peoples' toilets, mow other peoples' lawns, etc.???"
I love this argument. It's a pathetic attempt to ignore the truth. This is a market economy. Both in goods and services.
The work you do for an employer is a service he pays you for. If he can get the service he needs for $6 an hour he'll take it. If he can't get it for $6 an hour he'll pay more until it reaches an amount people are willing to take.
If you get Jose from Mexico who will provide the employer his services for $6 an hour it stops there. And that is what happens with illegal aliens. They take far less than a U.S. citizen needs and so the wages are depressed. If the illegal aliens were not here the jobs for mowing and toilet cleaning would pay more and low income U.S. citizens would take them and more and get paid a decent wage.
Illegal aliens are depressing wages. It hurts U.S. citizens who are unable to get high paying jobs. Stop with the BULL about U.S. citizens not taking menial labor jobs because you are not telling the entire story. It flies in the face of logic.
Hey you dems and three republicans had best take a good hard factual look, and listen to your constituents. Might help to consider the number of possible vote's you MAY get, to the sheer amount you WILL lose come 2012.
illegal is illegal try to understand that.
Jan Brewer 2012
True and while they pander to the Hispanic vote, they'd better be careful because they'll be losing the support of many of the people who put them in office.
exactly my point Karyn
The GOP needs to stop considering the Latino vote when it comes to illegal aliens, or THAT will be their downfall. I will vote for anyone who is staunchly against illegal aliens and who WILL sign a bill that discontinues birthright citizenship for the children of illegals.
Secure the borders! No further talk about immigration untill that's done we still remember the progressive promises to Reagan! Then repeal the 14th. Amendment!
You men when he gave amnesty to all the illegals he made us promises? Reagan was a piker.
We don't need to repeal anything. The key phrase in the amendment is "subject to the jurisdiction" if you are in the country illegally, you are not subject to our jurisdiction you are subject to the jurisdiction of your home country and should be returned there as soon as possible. Read the speeches of the people who introduced the amendment, it was not to apply to tourists, how could it possibly be applied to persons in the country illegally?
"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
You are incorrectly dissecting that sentence.
"All persons born" "or" "naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"
The use of the conjuction "or" - Presents an alternative or a choice. Sorry, I think you need to go back to grammar school
TamL
Look again.
The word "or" gives a choice between "born" or "naturalized" (first requirement), but the operative word here is "and" which makes the need to be under the jurisdiction thereof" an additional pre-requisite. That second pre-requisite was most likely set to help eliminate the problems and confusion we are experiencing today. It has just been overlooked for so long it has become invisible to those who don't want to see it.
This statement has two parts:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States" (First condition).
"and" (Clear indication that a second requirement follows).
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof" (Meaning "under the jurisdiction of the United States government.)
TamL, the use of the conjunction (or) was to give the choice between the two options in the first part of the sentence. Look at the complete sentence again. There are "two" conditions clearly stated and the word "and" clearly delineates them and makes them "inclusive", not optional. The word "or" gives the option between two choices for the "first" pre-requisite. The word "and" clearly indicates a second requirement.
Both pre-requisites are met if the parents are in the U. S. legally and have a child while they are here. At that point I believe the parents have the option of declaring their child a U.S. Citizen.
Why, if I do something illegal I get arrested and go to jail, someone else does something illegal and they get their and their childrens education paid for? Every politician that does not get behind dealing with illegal aliens or the ones that voted for the nightmare act during this lame duck already should be recalled. This is a travesty inflicted on the American people by the ruling elite class to keep the labor force in it's place and have a ready made voter block.
we're sick of these illegals being called immigrants ,,they are not ,,they are illegal aliens ( criminals) immigrants are legal and are welcomed and cherished as our people ,,illegals are criminals and we dont want them and want them sent home .so let them be called what they are, not the proud name of immigrants. democrats and liberals want as many as possible here so they will all vote liberal,,and vote for open borders ,socialism, and gun control. thats the agenda behind the whole thing.
Just like the F%^@ing Republicans to tag a group with a nasty name then go after it with propaganda, public opinion and legislation. Sort of like Regan with the 'evil empire', or conservatives trying to demonize 'liberals'. Well I/we can play in your ballpark too, and I prefer to call them 'economic refugees.' What makes me a bleeding heart liberal is my reaction to conservative policy which for the most part is simply cruel. Have a nice day, Bob.
wje37fcsm Enjoy your rose-colored glasses. The rest of America can see the truth just fine without them.
wje,
Just like the simple-minded, rat-bastard, bleeding heart liberal a-ho's, to tag a group with a nasty name then go after it with propaganda, public opinion and legislation. Sort of like Obama (when referring to Republican AMERICANS to the negros back in the 60's), that classic line,....."they can come along for the ride, but they're going to have to SIT IN THE BACK OF THE BUS!"
Where's the OUTRAGE ! GOD forbid that if it was W. that had made that remark, all of the whiney little lib byatches would be running around like the idiots that they are, with their hair on fire screaming "racist". But since Obama is black,....it's ok to use that type of language. It's not only unpresidential, (as usual), but it PROVES THAT OBAMA, like every Lib-Dem, enjoys playing the race card whenever they feel like.
Oh,....OBAMA IS SOOOO SMART ! HE SPEAKS SOOOO ELOQUENTLY !
I've never in my 45 years of life, have ever heard a president sound like a fool after speech. And what about Obama referring to "Republican AMERICANS as the ENEMY" during one of his ridiculous, incoherent speeches. REALLY ? Enemies,....is that what we are to you Obama ? You ignorant, communist-brainwashed little piece crap!
IT'S NOT MY FAULT ! IT'S NOT MY FAULT,....I INHERITED ALL OF THIS ! As if he is the only one to have inherited tough times as a president. YEA,...REAL PRESIDENTIAL OBAMA ! Such a whiney little byaaatch ! And real dumb one at that.
But I suppose all of that is ok isn't it? The truth of the matter is this,....illegals aren't going anywhere because of all of the bleeding heart liberals who have done EVERYTHING under the sun to keep them here in the first place. So we'll just have to wait for Congress to actually to something meaningful about the situation at hand.
You're all a bunch of two-faced, sorry sacks of crap that live and breath just to whine about everything and everyone! GROW UP,...GET SOME BRAINS,....AND GET A LIFE !
Deport any and all Illegal immigrants. It is not about votes but about keeping our country alive. Look around, even the most liberal countries in the world are abruptly curtailing their immigration policies.
With all the illegal hispanics, do you see them with American flags or American flag bumper stickers? No. You see the mexican flag proudly displayed by these peoples. They don't want to be American's they want to be Mexican's taking over America. If Mexico is so great then go live there. I don't want you here. I don't care about cinco de mayo, i care about America and Our holidays.
Obaamma get real. Lets put it to an American vote. Get rid of the illegals and our economies both state and country will come around. I am sick of seeing ads for jobs where you have to be bi lingual becuase they don't want to learn or speak english. Isn't the concept of learning the language of the land just a part of becoming a citizen?
I disagree with a mandatory secong language. English is the language spoken when our country was founded, English should stay our official language. Try going to a foriegn country and setting up household their and see how far you get trying to tell them that they must conform to what your needs are.
You're absolutely right. I have been turned down for jobs I was qualified for because I wasn't biligual. Since when does getting a job in this country depend on whether or not you can speak spanish? I thought it was the other way around--if you go to a different country to live, you are supposed to learn the language of that country. But not here! Here we are expected to learn immigrants languages (whether they are legal or illegal). I wonder how many jobs don't go to Americans who aren't biligual? Anyone have any statistics?
The United States Government does not and never has had an official language
allot of places around here that were once nice little all American small towns that have been taken over ( and trashed) and now you don't need to be bilingaul to find work, just speak Spanish.
I have a friend who lived in Miami, she went to the post office (a part of the federal government) in a predominately Cuban part of town. In the post office, they refused to speak to her in English. If an American refused to speak (or get a translator) for a Latino, it would be all over the news. I wonder how many times Spanish speakers refuse to accomodate English speakers? It's outrageous!
Oh yes it does, it speaks the language of $hit! That's all that comes out of the governments mouth.
It just shows the lopsided huge number of Spanish speakers that have come over in the last decade and have not assimilated compared to history's vast number of immigrants from all other countries world-wide have assimilated and do speak English.
Why don't we have press 3 for French, 4 Portuguese, 5 Arabic, 6 Chinese, 7 Japanese, 8 Korean, 9 Polish, 10 German, 11 Swedish, 12 Finnish, 13 Dutch, 14 Norwegian, 15 Swahili etc. etc. etc.
Hey Lady,
I understand your frustration with this illegal immigration problem. But what you need to understand, AND WHAT THE REALITY IS, that if every illegal, (especially the ones working out in the fields), are all rounded up and deported,....
ARE YOU, ALONG WITH THE REST OF AMERICA, WILLING TO PAY 5 TO 10 TIMES THE PRICE FOR PRACTICALLY ALL OF YOUR FOOD AT THE MARKET ? COULD AMERICA REALLY AFFORD IT ? Yea, that's what I thought.
America,....you better start seriously thinking BEFORE opening your mouths !
^Even if it were true, we're paying thrice as much in social services, education, over-population, crime and our prison system, medical services, not to mention their money going back to Mexico and not put back into the economy here.
All you did was make a good case for keeping them illegal and under the table. Cheers!
I'm going to quote Michael Lockwood's informative post:
http://coststudies.ucdavis.edu/files/lettuceicecc09.pdf
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Von Fisch,
REALLY ? I can't believe you actually bit ! You're going to base your argument on that idiots post ? For one, the information is insufficient. Second of all,.....the report is all over the damn place!
Nice try,....but what you fail to realize, is that these immigrants are:
1. NOT getting paid the legal minimum wage, OT, holiday pay
2. NOT receiving ANY type of medical, dental, vision etc. insurance at all
3. NOT receiving any retirement, 401 k, or any other retirement benefits
4. FINALLY being represented by a union AFTER 80 YEARS of working!
Now, ARE YOU SERIOUSLY GOING TO TELL ME THAT IF EVERY SINGLE WORKER IN THE FIELD WERE CONSIDERED EQUAL TO YOU, I OR ANY OTHER LEGAL DOCUMENTED WORKER OR CITIZEN, THAT WE WOULD BE PAYING $ 1.10 PER HEAD ? AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT YOU, I OR ANY OTHER "LEGAL" WORKER WOULD WORK IN AGREEMENT TO THOSE LISTED CONDITIONS IN THE FIRST DAMN PLACE ! I SURE AS HELL WOULDN'T ! NOBODY WOULD AND YOU KNOW IT !
You decide to show someone elses "TERM PAPER",....and I'm supposed to buy his report on the assumption that the costs would be the same from preparation, planting, delivery to my dinner plate? I bet you think you're slick don't you ? I know you do.
Well, I've got ONLY ONE question for you,.......HOW MUCH HOURLY/SALARY WOULD IT TAKE TO GET YOU OUT THERE WORKING IN THE FIELDS ? PLEASE TELL US THE TRUTH, WE'RE ALL WAITING! Well, so much for your ridiculous argument.
Yeah,....that's what I thought ! Hook, line and sinker! Gee, maybe I should be a professional fischerman !
And one last thing Von Fisch,
I don't support illegal immigration, never have and never will, but there's a reason why every American agriculture/food corporation hires these immigrants (legal or not),.....BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD TURN A PROFIT AND STAY IN BUSINESS !
It would be DISASTEROUS to our economy if the average American family had to buy ANY agricultural product,....or anything else for that matter, if prices just doubled !
What makes you think Americans could afford to pay $ 8.00 per gallon of milk, or gas ? IN EFFECT, NOONE WOULD BE PURCHASING A DAMN THING FROM ANYWHERE,.....OTHER THAN BOLOGNA & PBJ SANDWICHES, CUP O' NOODLES & WATER JUST TO SURVIVE !
YOU MARK MY WORDS,.....WE'LL SEE HOW MUCH AMERICANS SPEND ON EVERYTHING ELSE BUT FOOD WHEN GAS PRICES INCREASE TO $ 5.00-6.00 PER GALLON NEXT YEAR ! GOD help you if you have to drive farther than 15 miles (in traffic), to and from your job on a daily basis !
Take away any and all chance of welfare, food stamps, medical, housing and any other entitlement programs and they will go home on their own. Why wouldn't you want to go to a country that gives illegals preference over its own citizens? Cut the fat-they'll go back!
Exactly right. The way to solve the illegal alien problem needs to be taken in three steps. First, CONTROL THE BORDER! Second, end ALL entitlements for ilegal aliens and their familys( this also includes printing applications for such aid to be printed in english only). Third, enforce the laws againsts knowingly employing illegal aliens and giving the enforcment teeth. (If you shut down the companies that flaunt our laws fewer will take the risk). With no free crap and no employment there will be no need to deport anyone, there will be a line of ilegal aliens streaming south that might be visible from space. This will also lower the unemplyment rate a few percentage points. All it takes is some politicians will the nerve to do it and an electorate backing them up at the polls.
And as an aside, if any MEXICAN poiticians have a problem with it , tell them to mind their own business. If Mexico wasn't such a corrupt, crime infested dungheap perhaps fewer people would want to leave.
You forgot, Make E-Verify mandatory for all employers and heavily fine employers that hire them. Get rid of the job magnet as well as the social services, and enforce the birthright citizenship clause as it was intended (children of foreigners are not subject legal citizens) they'll self-deport.
Close the border, enforce existing laws on the books at all levels, (not just fed enforcement), and eliminate the ability to name your city a "sanctuary" city.
I believe that illegal immigrants should be sent packing, but I also believe that you shouldn't punish children for the misdeeds of their parents.
I'm ok with saying that someone who has never known anything but the U.S. should be given a chance to be made legal. Send their parents home sure.
I'm also in favor of making English the national language as long as we also require that our schools teach every child a second language. We'd save a fortune every year in government paperwork that doesn't need to translated and paying 10% extra an hour to bi-lingual CSR's for programs like Medicare and Social Security. Being able to communicate with other people is key to understanding them, but to many people come to the U.S. and want it to adopt their ways instead of melting into the cultural pot themselves. P.S. I love Mexican food, I just don't want to learn Spanish. I already speak 3 languages.
Good for you! I envy anyone who is bilingual. And your post just goes to show that it doesn't have to be spanish you learn. As I said in a previous post, I have been turned down for jobs I was qualified for in every other way except I wasn't bilingual.
If we just don't allow government benefits to illegal immigrants then we wouldn't need to print most of those government documents you mentioned in Spanish.
Illegal Immigrants should be sent back to wherever they come from along with their babies. Citizenship to babies is for immigrants that have legally entered this country. Its really a simple concept. Why does it have to be such a complicated issue?
No one is saying that we shouldn't learn a foreign language but by all means, it shouldn't have to be Spanish, and we must remember, ENGLISH is the language of global commerce as well as the customary language of the U.S. that all prior immigrants did learn when coming here. The Latinos that are not learning English will never succeed in this country speaking it.
I call BS, there is a huge legal population in Florida, California, Texas, and Arizona, families that have been here for generations that do not speak or read english well. There is nothing wrong with supporting a multi-lingual society. When you take someone's language away you take their culture away. This is not the United States of England.
ALL peoples in this land immigrated here.
When the native Americans, Spaniards, English, French, first came here, IT WAS LEGAL.
We have since installed laws governing all immigration. Why have laws if everyone isn't required to obey them?
That's an excellent question for the politicians that are pushing the issue. Why have laws? Can I break them as well since I at least pay taxes and was born here?
This is what happens when the politicians are more worried about "VOTES", than they are about the demise of the country and the wants of the citizen.
It's their job saving priority to keep the illegals here for their own benefit!
After removing every illegal, we should export (deport) every politician!
I personally know three people who came here put in their papers and became citizens, Two ( former) Mexican one Canadian, they ALL consider this a slap in the face. And absolutely abhor illegals. Oh and the Hispanics i know don't even own a Mexican flag or bumper sticker.
I guess you live in the wrong part of the country if you haven't seen an abundance of Mexican flags flying.
napa, no around here that kinda crap don't go over well. But you miss the point. That being LEGALSdon't. They are proud of, and support America. Not where they came from.
I have to scratch my head as well when I read this as trying to be framed as a "latino" issue. What's up with that? I have serious doubts that this legislation would have failed let alone an increase in Republican numbers would have occured if this were that simple. Latinos don't vote as a block and immigration is not the no. 1 issue. IT'S THE ECONOMY!! Everything to else is secondary. Illegal immigration needs to be fixed such that the Nation's economy improves. Sure its a "harder line" but it is also a necessary one.
That's true for the South, Napa. Down here, all you see are the stars and bars, the flags of the traitors to the USA.
I really find it hard to believe that the Latinos that have gone through the process and immigrated here legally DON'T have a problem with illegal immigration. Ia. ScooterTramp, I think you're right. Anyone who comes here legally is welcome and that most would be a forthright citizen just by working through the immigration process. I can imagine that all they went through they would be pi$$ed at illegal aliens trying to squat here and skirt the law and taking things that don't belong to them.
It's about time.
And the Conservatives will not have to worry about 2012.
Obama WILL lose.
Everyone will remember Obamacare and the DREAM act.
Oh, and DADT too.
Wait till he sees the vote swing in the military.
The Latin vote will count.
But LEGALS abhor those who came here illegally too.
It makes them all look bad.
And they ARE not in a lump.
morning corsair
you got it. But the legals realise they will be treated as a "lump" hence the dislike.
Morning,
Not the smart ones, like my ex who I helped get legal (from Nicaragua).
She raises all kinds of hell about illegals because she knows how hard it was to get legal.
Reminds me of my bros lady, She is rabid on the issue. she is a legal citizen, from Canada. not all illegals are Hispanic, just a disproportionate number of them. Think about that people, when mohammed overstays his visa.
I don't know of any legal Hispanic that want the Dream Act. They want illegals to go through the process and wait in line especially when we know what really goes on. The people usually protesting are the ones that are illegal or have a worker or a family member that's illegal. Look at Obama, he's aunt was illegal..just got asylum a few months ago after being denied 2 other times...hmmm.?
Immigration reform; the demise of Obama! It would be better for Obama to concentrate his efforts on deporting all illegal immigrants and bringing jobs back to America!
As much as I loath Obama if he did that I would have to re-think my feelings of him.
Never going to happen. Despite the "shellacking" he took in November, he is still on this dead horse "nightmare act" kick, and NO so far not one action designed to help restore jobs or confidence to Americans. I just don't think he cares!
thinman i agree this goverment laks from four sides
do all roads lead to america look what happend to rome
they keep getting bombed, and not the good way.