Bowel movement yes ...

Bowel movement maybe. For this to amount to anything at all, they will need to inject some coherency, real quick. 1,000 stinky hippies in a drum circle is just 1,000 stinky hippies in a drum circle.

Why on God's green earth would you ever protest in NYC to change federal rules? Last time I checked, the rules are made 200 miles to the south in DC.

They will never be taken seriously if they keep letting drugged kids get on camera proclaiming a communist revolution. I saw them wave a sign saying "Occupy Everything"

It's been growing because of police tactics.

JP Morgan Chase Donates $4.6 Million To NYPD On Eve Of Protests

Posted by JacobSloanon October 3, 2011

Wondering how much it costs to buy off the police department? JP Morgan Chase just gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in its history. How the police show their gratitude will presumably determine whether they receive similar donations from companies in the future.

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/jp-morgan-chase-donates-4-6-million-to-nypd-on-eve-of-protests/

Those that are interested and are seeking a good laugh should look up their list of demands (too long for me to list here). This is the largest collection of complete morons in memory. However, they shouldn’t be dismissed as the fools they are because en masse, even fools can be dangerous. They're being used but are expectedly too stupid to realize this.

Why aren't these people looking for a job or working? No jobs you say? Complete hogwash, my city has a 3% unemployment rate. Move. No excuses, rent your house if it won't sell. Having been out of the country for a month, coming back was like a smack down in reality. Welcome back to the fattest laziest people on this planet.

The rules that those folks play by are made down in DC. They play by the "rules" that the people YOU elect make. Tough, deal with it.

They will never be taken seriously if they keep letting drugged kids get on camera proclaiming a communist revolution.

Because that is all the media is showing. Many of the companies and banks that these folks are protesting already control the media. This protest has been going on for a couple of weeks, and yet it took several days for the mainstream media to give this story any air time.

Also, Yahoo mail blocked, for several days, many of these groups e-mails they were sending out to help spread the word about their cause.

If you think that Wall Street has the best interests of the common man in mind, if you really think these "job creators" really give a flying flip about the anyone that does not belong to the elite "One Percent" then you are a fool.

Like Eric Theodore Cartman, I am not the biggest fan of the modern hippie movement. Still, they are pointing out an ugly truth about the so-called American Dream.

Wake up people. Things are only going to get worse. Wall Street perpetrated fraud upon a massive scale and all they got was a slap on the wrist. They didn't even have to admit to their wrong-doing.

Both sides, Republican and Democrat have been complacent in their crimes also. We are are being played, and sadly were are blind to the rules of this hideous game.

"Hundreds of protesters" LMFAO!!!!!

I'm not a tea party member but when they protest, hundreds of thousands!! LOL!

Liberals! God love em!! LOLOLOLOL!

If Wall Street were to shut down, how would that effect the markets and millions of peoples retirements?

I'm sorry, thinking ahead about possible consequences is to hard for these morons.

Movement - you've got to be kidding me.

Disorganized and assorted Marxists, hippie wannabees and the willfully ignorant.

Before they convince anyone of their "cause", they will have to find some literate spokesmen; the one's who have been interviewed on TV have all been loser-looking types who can't seem to string together a coherent sentence, much less a convincing statement of their cause.

I don't think this is the left's Tea Party so to speak. They are lacking direction and I notice a lot of the unions and such are trying to direct the mob into a direction that benefits them.

That being said they are right about some things. Why have there been no charges filed against these wall street insiders and banking fat cats. Enron was shut down because of some of the same actions. It looks like as long as you have the right connections with the democrats and republicans you are just fine if break the law or ruin people's lives.

My first understanding was they were protesting because there was a lack of jobs - and it seems Mayor "The Grinch" Bloomberg put the idea in their heads with an interview where he compared us to what's going on in Greece.

But yesterday I read in a newspaper interview where some idiot from California actually quit his job as a computer programmer to come protest. Excuse me?!?!

So - what is it they actually want again? Can I get a clue, please?

Today's version of ACORN. Gimme Gimme duh duh and I think they look like someone cleaned out all the drug houses to round up this many. Is this what our world would be like if we catered to Obama and the Unions? God help us all.
Obama's class warfare has produced some low class volunteers.

I supported the Tea Party movement to limit govt spending and I support this movement to hold accountable those people who have brought financial ruin on this country. Both ideas hold hands.

You are bashing the people of the country not some small group of useless people as you seem to see them, us. We are the 99% because we are including everyone, everyone that doesn't feel that they have a voice in where or how our country is being ran. This isn't about being a DEM or GOP no matter how much the media trys to spin it that way. It is about Americans being fed and it starts with taking the money out of politics, We the people cant buy the government the way the banks, corporations, and the mega rich can. Where is my voice? That is what this is about.

I don't think this is the left's Tea Party so to speak. They are lacking direction and I notice a lot of the unions and such are trying to direct the mob into a direction that benefits them.

Replace the word "unions" with "corporations" and that is precisely what people were saying about the teabaggers 18 months ago.

Red, That is just a cool vine name!! Wish I had thought of that myself!!

Today's version of ACORN. Gimme Gimme duh duh and I think they look like someone cleaned out all the drug houses to round up this many. Is this what our world would be like if we catered to Obama and the Unions? God help us all.
Obama's class warfare has produced some low class volunteers.

LOL. It sad but just a touch funny watching America get stupefied by Faux News and the rest...

They're already to try and hijack this thing and devide us. This is not a liberal protest. This is not a movement to combat the Tea Party. This is a populist uprising. It crosses party lines. Corporate personhood, so that they can make political contributions to their pet politicians, should seem ludacris to people of all political affiliations, unless you're a corportist of course, but I don't know any of those. This is not a rally against capitalism. It is not a rally for unionism and socialism. It is a plea for the seperation of corporate powers and government. Please don't listen to this drivel. It's devisive and is probably the opinion, yes opinion of the author. I doubt this so called journalist even interviewed the people in Liberty Park for this piece.

If the average person commits or is accused of committing a crime, how can they defend themselves with a powerful legal team. Ah---the wealthy have access that only money can buy--i.e., Amanda Knox. In this country, the poorer you are, the less power you have. Her parents bought the access to shed doubt on every single piece of evidence. Guilt and innocence in the eyes of fake "blind justice" are subjective in all courts of law.

You have 2 types of wealthy people. The good of Bill/Melinda Gates, and Warren Buffet, VS the evil of The Koch Brothers and The Waltons.

As for "change", meaningful change NEVER comes from the right.

Sorry, but the Tea Party was about the government being responsible with the way our tax dollars are spent. This is a group of slackers, protesting for more government hand outs and more government control. Not even a close resemblence.

Nothing spontaneous from this protest, this is a well organized by Van Jones group, moveon.org leading zombies that don't even know what is the protest for. One guy was asking for free condoms, other for free marijuana, another free Palestine.

"If Wall Street were to shut down, how would that effect the markets and millions of peoples retirements? I'm sorry, thinking ahead about possible consequences is to hard for these morons."

LogicRequired,

You got to be kidding!!! Wall Street shut us down... the Middle Class, working Americans, Seniors, students - all of us. They affected markets around the globe and billions of peoples and the retirement of millions including my parents! So let me ask me... who are you calling a moron?

It's happening in DC, too. www.occupydc.org and in several other cities and countries.

just me really - Comment is without value

John-2032532 - Where they meet is symbolic, just like Glenn Beck in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Not much decision-making on the steps there in case you haven't been to DC.

Wet Willy - The organizing prinicples I read sounded quite reasonable. Of course this group is young and the ranks are malleable. I hope a singular message emerges for people with anti-establishment views like the Tea Party but without the silly hyper-conservative entanglements that the TP espouses.

TheRealChris - That is pretty interesting.

JCB-1236504 - Why don't they get jobs? Really?

Red Neckelson - This is a new movement. Give them time.

Look, this whole thing could fizzle out, and I don't know what they are all about (nor do they right now) but liberals are looking for way to gain traction like the Tea Party did. They don't have a face and the TP is inhospitable to liberal-minded people for various reasons. For example, most liberals would not endorse (cheer)allowing a young man with cancer to die if he could be saved. TPers think the government should be disbanded along with taxes and other quaint, ridiculous notions. Liberals are tired of plutocracy and can't turn anywhere else in the current political system. I for one want to see where this Occupy movement goes.

We need more speeches by Roseanne Barr , the new spokesperson for the left. She truly represents the values of the left.

StoptheliesNOW,

If Wall Street were to shut down, how would that effect the markets and millions of peoples retirements?

Hmmmmmm. Sounds like the rational for the bailout here? Interesting... They must be doing something effective; I mean they've gained the attention of all the mindless Faux News ditto-heads in here. I'm in favor of anything that riles the ignorant defenders of privileged few. lol.

Wow, thank you for not only NOT answering the questions but also calling names. I was almost afraid someone would actually try to answer that simple little question, lucky for me none of you worry about consequences.

By the way, the bailouts were widely condemed by the Tea Party folks, so are you saying you agree with the Tea Party on government bailouts of Banks, Auto's, green energy companies, and Union Pensions? Or Just the bailout of the banks?

I think their protesting the extreme ignorance of the American people. Were the only country on earth where the working class votes for right wing Aristacrats who only serve millionaires. Their driving down wages, taking away benefits, trying to break unions and their destroying the American dream. Germany is the second largest exporter in the world and they have high taxes, high benefits, 25% unions, high regulations and a high standard of living. The Republicans want the U.S.to look like China, the Democrats want the U.S. to look like Germany, who do you think is better off?

One guy was asking for free condoms, other for free marijuana.

No they weren't. Stop with the unprovable, defamatory anectdotes.

StopTheLiesNOW,
You guys just hate it when you are called out on what is real. This is nothing more than a continuation of "tax the rich", "spread the wealth" and the rest of Obama's class warfare rhetoric. Obama and GE are a prime example of what you say you are against but we don't see you guys protesting there or at Jeffrey's office with Obama.

These kids are our kids! Many are educated, burden with back breaking debt right out of the starting gate from attending colleges and universities and incapable of finding a career let alone a job that pays a living wage! The real criminals, malcontents and sociopaths have corner office views from on high of the children of the former Middle Class marching in the streets! Shame on all of you who constantly vote against your own self interests and then have the ignorant driven puerile gall to denigrate the best of us. Go back to your double wides and really try to think for yourself, question authority, question your own childish simplistic world views and certainly try to actually act Christian! These kids have it right! Time for the 99% to tax the 1%! Job Creators pleaseeeeee!

I am the 99%
You are bashing the people of the country not some small group of useless people as you seem to see them, us. We are the 99% because we are including everyone, everyone that doesn't feel that they have a voice in where or how our country is being ran. This isn't about being a DEM or GOP no matter how much the media trys to spin it that way. It is about Americans being fed and it starts with taking the money out of politics, We the people cant buy the government the way the banks, corporations, and the mega rich can. Where is my voice? That is what this is about.

If you understood the system and took 10 minutes to research the root cause of our problem, you would not be on Wall Street. You would be in front of Bill Clinton's office in Harlem. In 1995 Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank morphed the Community Reinvestment Act to provide home financing for every loser in town. That was the first puff on the real estate bubble.

Then in 1999 Clinton and Larry Summers endorsed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which removed the separation between investment and commercial banks, saying "With this bill, the American financial system takes a major step forward towards the 21st Century." This deregulated deriviative contracts allowing A.I.G. to sell hundreds of billions of dollars in credit default swaps on mortgage-backed securities was a direct result of efforts by the Treasury (first under Rubin and then under Summers), the Federal Reserve (under Greenspan), and the Securities and Exchange Commission (under Arthur Levitt) to deregulate the derivatives markets.

The rest is history...bubble fills up 2000-2007. Bubble busts in 2008.

Sorry for the long post, but the "Occupy" folks do have a point, if they ever figure out what it is.

these so-called "ignorant hippies" are a lot more informed than most of the posters here will ever be.

Steven...

Dead on comment. I've seen about 20 of these so called "protesters" interviewed and would have a hard time creating a single thought process from the bunch. Some are quite stoned...some are simply 'homeless' and looking for pals and a meal. One guy had a "No Obama" badge pinned to his shirt and when asked what that meant he said "I dunno...I just got out of prison and someone pinned it on me".

Most of the crowd cannot create a single coherant reason why they are even on Wall Street "protesting".

My only question is this.... after watching those absolute loons protesting in Wisconsin a year ago and now watching these know-nothings protesting nothing they actually know anything about in New York...how can any living being, man or beast, have even a single critical comment about those who attend TEA Party rallies...and I am a farrrrrrrrr cry from being a 'tea partier'. Those TEA Party rallies more resemble MENSA meetings when compared to the mumblings and tom-tom drummings from the liberal and quite loonie left.

My god that whole protest looks a pic from Woodstock back in the 60's....Is this the Left's answer to the Tea Party?????LMAO...Hey tard's you may want to change locations to DC, where the laws that the big banks follow are made...Dumb s----ts..

Obama and GE are a prime example of what you say you are against

Shaking my head,

It almost sounds like you're saying that GE doesn't pay taxes because of President Obama. You do realize that they haven't paid income taxes in over 25 years, right?

I was bitching about this when Reagan was in office.

That's like alleging that illegal immigration began in January 2009.

I really don't think any of you truly understand what is happening here. The current protesters are loosely organized and not focused. Once they have a leader who can define their position this movement will grow legs and will make the Tea Party look like..well, a tea party.

What these people are saying is that we have developed an "aristocracy" in this country very much like the old European aristocracy only ours is based on money, money and more money. The old European aristocracy had money, but they got their money from their associations with the powerful. The kings, queens and monarchs of old Europe.

Today's modern American aristocracy is based on greed. Acquisition of houses, boats, cars, trophy wives, and an excess of consumption while millions cannot afford basic health care or feed their families without government assistance. The Koch Brothers have more money than God, but they still laid of thousands of workers last year to increase their profits.

We, the working poor and middle class are their serfs and indentured servants and as fewer and fewer people control more and more of this country's wealth we will see the quality of living for all of us decline even further.

THAT is what these protests are about and that is going to lead to true class warfare if something isn't done to re-distribute the wealth in this country. Close the tax loop holes for the wealthy, let the Koch brothers pay that "millionaire tax" proposed by the President. They won't even notice it.

Let's not forget that the French and the Russians have already gone through this exercise. Heads rolled, kings and queens died and whole societies were turned upside down. It didn't matter that they controlled the military. In the end there were a lot more poor people demanding a piece of the pie or a pound of flesh than the wealthy aristocrats or the kings, or czars and all their armies and police forces.

Don't balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and the poor. Don't deny us health care. Don't deny us a real chance at the American dream. If you do, I'm sorry to say today's 1,000 stinking hippies sitting in a drum circle will become something far more frightening and dangerous and not even the corrupt Koch brothers will be able to buy their way out of what's coming.

Don't dismiss this as a bunch of drugged up kids. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Wake up America.

John,

If you cannot figure out what that point is you fail at reading comprehension if you have been reading all of the economic reports as of late.

This group of people want Wall Street to become accountable for their actions. They lead us to this place of limp dead economics and so they want them to lose a few pounds of flesh, the way our justice system is supposed to work. You do something bad, you get punished.

As of yet that has not happened, instead they have been rewarded by record profits that they are shipping over seas or are just sitting on and doing nothing with.

They also want Corporate America out of the Government. Which means repealing several rulings in Congress, Glass-Stegal (sp?) and Citizens United, and want something to be done about lobbyists.

There is not one single reason why everyone is there but the overall message is that Wall Street has become too powerful.

Some are quite stoned...some are simply 'homeless' and looking for pals and a meal. One guy had a "No Obama" badge pinned to his shirt and when asked what that meant he said "I dunno...I just got out of prison and someone pinned it on me".

Tony.

Uh huh. Please post some of these "interviews" you "saw".

mark...

Sorry dude...you need to look a bit closer. The majority of those goofballs in New York cannot find a clue.

They've probably seen YouTube videos and Twitter feeds from the real protests in Egypt and Libya and then saw the vandals and thieves destroying English electronics stores " in protest ". But at this point in their shabby little "protest" they have learned that the police in New York will not take such nonsense here.

If the media went away for a day, the protesters would too. The only thng that could happen now is that the pros come in to organize things.

But please don't try to convince anyone of the wisdom of this roving band of airheads.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, who are running for president as economic populists, are benefiting handsomely from Wall Street donations, easily surpassing Republican John McCain - LA Times

What could this be true? Democrats get money from WALL STREET???

But don't think the money is just going to Republicans. While Democrats have sought to tie the GOP to Wall Street, the securities and investment industry has actually given more money to the party in power during the 2010 election cycle. Sixty-two percent of the money from that industry has gone to Democrats, and 37 percent to Republicans

Not Obama too?

A few weeks before announcing his re-election campaign, President Obama convened two dozen Wall Street executives, many of them longtime donors, in the White House's Blue Room. NY Times 2011

Wall Street is investing heavily in Barack Obama.

Although the Democratic presidential hopeful has vowed to raise capital gains and corporate taxes, financial industry bigs have contributed almost twice as much to Obama as to GOP rival John McCain, a Daily News analysis of campaign records shows. - NY Daily News 2008

HYYYYPPPPOOOOCCCRRRIIIITTTTTTEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!

btone...

Don't bore me with a limp request to provide links on this site...you're right...I didn't see anything on the news and the protesters mumbling on the news are the new "America's Best & Brightest".

Happy now ?

Geowil
John,

If you cannot figure out what that point is you fail at reading comprehension if you have been reading all of the economic reports as of late.

This group of people want Wall Street to become accountable for their actions. They lead us to this place of limp dead economics and so they want them to lose a few pounds of flesh, the way our justice system is supposed to work. You do something bad, you get punished.

Um, it sounds like they are looking for some sort of civil and/or criminal court ordered solution. They probably need to put down the drum sticks and hire a lawyer or two.

Just saw the picture on MSNBC of the Protesters...One of the guys in the front appears to be on a scooter....the guy is too lazy to march for his cause but he will ride his scooter to protest Wall Street greed...I find that funny...

John- what do Clinton and the real estate bubble/crash have to do with politicians selling out to corporations?

I like how many of you seem to get the bigger picture and not what is being fed to us by msn.com This is not the anti-tea party this is the younger sibling of the tea party. Neither has a true face yet or enough prominent thinkers/ speakers to do anyhting yet but the sentiment that the government has overstepped its bounds and no longer serves the people is the same in both.

The Occupy group is unorganized and like the tea party has its fair share of idiots too but there are thousands of our youth coming together to protest how ineffective and corrupt our government has become. The children of our nation have worked hard and got an education obeyed the laws and have been upstanding members of their communities and now they are screwed over by our government who has allowed wall street to destroy our nation. The system has failed them for doing everything right.

Shaking my head-2479300

Your right it is class warfare. Started and perpetuated by the top 2% of the population, whilst they were screwing over the bottom 98% of the population. And the greatest thing about it? The bottom 98% either didn't know, or didn't care, until the bottom fell out of the economy. And what have the top 2% done to get the blame off of them? Create a Do-Nothing Congress, and make the focus of politics largely social issues.

Under this Republican House of Representatives guess how many jobs bills have come to the floor of the House? 0. Guess how many abortion bills? 9.

And what is the logical reasoning for the rich to pay less taxes than the per capita GDP of $46, 860? That it creates jobs? Well obviously it hasn't because they are all over seas. Stop doing what hasn't been working, and start trying things that might.

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On another note, if anybody can tell me how Obama has caused this recession, with citing non-Fox News sources, then I will gladly read it and eat crow.

I wonder how many of those college kids are protesting and their parents disagree? I'd be yanking my kids back home so fast their heads would spin.

Logic...

You have that !

The funny thing is that often denigrated "fat cats", "wall street bankers", and "corporate jet owners" that Mr. Obama is always screeching about are the same folks who laid down their dollars in '07 and '08 to finance his campaign.

I don't think they like him so much anymore.

They laughed at the Tea Party when it began. The fact that they're still laughing isn't relevant. Whatever this movement is should open some eyes, especially those of the rightwingnuts that think the whole country is consumed by the tax issue. If you're rich you're worried about taxes. If you're out of work and scrambling taxes are WAY down the list. Does anyone seriously believe that the upheavals in the Middle East and North Africa were about TAXES? That's all the Tea Baggers are about. They're a one-trick pony with no clue where their stall is. What's happening on Wall Street is NOT where the laws are made, but it IS where the uber-wealthy get multi-million dollar bonuses for ruining companies; it's money's Mecca. So let's call this a religious rebellion because more Americans worship money than anybody's god.

What do these people want people on Wall Street to do??? Can someone list some of there demands so everyone can look and see if they make any sense.

Hero Vincent has a dream: to see the titans of Wall Street trade their palatial office suites for a row of dank prison cells.

Please tell me they have something more substantive then throwing them all in jail or being killed??

Caution to all of you laughing at the "lazy hippies" who "just need to get a job". You're suckers buying in to the images the mainstream media has shown you. Not only are you not getting a clear picture of what's actually going on, your disdain is only fueling the fire. The vast majority of protesters are clean-cut, "normal" citizens who HAVE jobs but are still outraged at the actions of Wall Street and the police.

JP Morgan just donated 4.5 million to the NYPD, who arrested more than 700 protesters in Brooklyn over the weekend. There is also videos of police officers using pepper spray and mace on peaceful protesters. Keep it up, NYPD, Wall Street, and everyone else in the media and on this thread who thinks the movement is laughable, just because it's not showing up on your smartphone newsfeed 24/7 like Amanda Knox is.

At the same time, I don't want to say this is a catastrophic blow to the corporate powerhouses or the media, but.... this is how revolutions start. This is the generation that is currently paying your ever-dwindling social security, and probably the same people who have to help your old asses out with all the new technology. So we'll see who has the last laugh.

Will Obama and the democrats embrace these misfits? I don't think so.

There are two easy ways to gut check and compare the Tea Party to the "Occupy" group- Motivation and Potential for Violence:

The Tea Party protests were civil and non-violent, however their message was made loudly and clear: No more taxing the populous without a good reason, no additional spending on frivolous programs, no more stimulus, smaller federal government and returning much of the federal government's power to the states as based on the Constitution. The message also was, we'll vote you out and get in people whom will make necessary changes.

To date we've heard a lot of anger, but no real message from the "Occupy" groups. Yes, we've heard that they are upset with big business, losses of jobs, and the wealthy being wealthy. Their methods, however, have been more confrontational and threatening. There have been many statements regarding gallows(French Revolution) and the redistribution of wealth in the US. One portion of the group has sent out a message that they will knock Wall Street off-line next week, a fairly scary concept due to the fact that if they are capable of disrupting trade they'll likely stop the flow of money for a while- a bad and dangerous thing (banks don't loan, paychecks don't get paid, and no new jobs). It could also exacerbate the growing international movement to dropthe US dollar as the basis of international trade. That leads to catastrophic monetary losses here which leads to outright riots.

Before you jump on board with the "occupy" group, please be sure to do as much research as possible on: Who they are, who directs/leads/finances them, their motives(short and long term), and if they were to succeed what the US would look like and how it would run. One thing that concerns me is that the group has a lot of young protesters (college aged- impressionable and most likely to go violent). A pack mentality would make things go bad quickly. Just be careful.

inmissouri
John- what do Clinton and the real estate bubble/crash have to do with politicians selling out to corporations?

The politicians deregulated Wall Street allowing them to package up all the housing debt, selling that debt (trillions of $) all over the world. The debt became worthless, and crashed bringing down the rest of the economy in 2008. I suggest you read "The Big Short" by Michael Lewis, knowing the Clinton administration allowed it all to happen. If you don't understand the root cause, it might happen again, which it actually still could.

Why would you blame Wall Street? They did what they were supposed to do, make money. Why would you blame a lion for eating a lame gazelle? The problem was caused in Washington, not Wall Street.

impatient...

I have two kids in their twenties...they are too busy working to make something of themselves to consider joining this lamebrained protest of the mumblers.

All of you people saying negative things about this movement is funny. Actually these people are trying to get the Government out of Corporate control and give it back to the people.

There are a lot of similarities with the Tea Party and this movement. People are sick of watching Corporate bailouts, corrupt politics and the "Pay to Play" culture that has taken over Washington.

Before the Tea Party was bought by the Koch Brothers the Tea Party had some good ideas that anyone could believe in and they still do. I am glad to see organizations like the Tea Party and"Occupy Wall street. We should all be more active working together as citizens that want our country back.

Don't dismiss this as a bunch of drugged up kids. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

What we've seen is a bunch of drugged up kids. Half of whom will probably take the college education their parents paid for and 20 years from now will be working inside the buildings they are protesting in front of today.

hardtostarboard
Will Obama and the democrats embrace these misfits? I don't think so.

Obama loves this. It feeds his class warfare argument. He can sit back and laugh without commenting. These are his peeps, but he won't say so.

All of you people bashing these protesters, I present a challenge to you. Read the 2 released documents that Occupy Wallstreet has published. Read them and honestly come back here and tell me they are stinky hippy idiots.

That document outlines why they are protesting. The next one lists changes they would like to make.

well it keeps taking away the links so i will just add what they say to a later post

This is not the lefts Tea Party.

Stop trying to give them a name, they are simply Americans.

One of the reasons these Americans protesting are disjointed is because there are so many major problems all Americans are facing.

Two wars = multiple Trillions of dollars wasted on a Middle Eastern Welfare system that the Muslims do not want. The list here alone of waste is mind boggling and would be deserving of a protest all by it’s self. Just like Vietnam it has taken the American public to make the politicians even give lip service to bringing our service men and women home.

The Congressmen who repealed the Glass-Steagell act that had protected everyone from predatory lending and investment schemes has allowed Traitors in the Banking industry and Wall Street to plunder the United States until millions of Americans and people world wide to lost their jobs, homes, businesses, and sent the world into a depression.

The thieves who stole had to be bailed out, and are still screwing everyone in the world, and are only now being investigated.

This is why they are on Wall Streets door step … Go figure.

An Idle minded Congress that has let ideology, and hatred for one individual bring the entire democratic process of running our most important offices in Washington to a complete halt.

How stupid is this and no one can budge them until they get unelected in 2010.

Another reason to protest.

This is just the short list; the long list gets even more complicated.

I have noticed these American protesters have not been here answering to the Trolls who mock them; they are mature enough to not be baited by the insults. They are working among themselves, and do not care if you call them names.

The New York Police who have been given such praise for their actions after 911 should look deep inside at them selves, the world is watching … these Americans are their Brothers, Sisters, Wives, Daughters and Sons and if they do something like what happened in Ohio in the 1960’s many more Americans will pour into New York to let them know these are our children you are pepper spraying for no good reason.

Wake up Washington, its time to get off you’re a$$es and start showing the American public that you are not so isolated that you are not hearing the messages.

This is what they want:

LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS"

1. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened:#Repeal .

2. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list.

3. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media.

4. CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's.

5. CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm.

6. CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.

7. CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control.

8. ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight.

madd-dawg17
All of you people bashing these protesters, I present a challenge to you. Read the 2 released documents that Occupy Wallstreet has published. Read them and honestly come back here and tell me they are stinky hippy idiots.

That document outlines why they are protesting. The next one lists changes they would like to make.

How about a link? I went to http://occupywallst.org/ and found no such documentation.

Once they have a leader who can define their position this movement will grow legs

So what youre telling me is these people have no idea what they re doing there? They are protesting simply because theyre angry there are no jobs. (although many have quit their jobs to join up) They have no real ideas on what to say when asked what they want. They have no plan in place. They need someone to come tell them what they want. Is that it?

I sat my daughter down in front of the TV last night as we watched them on the news. We watched on multiple channels and then I asked her what she thought. My 14 year old was perplexed. Her first question to me was 'what do they want' and then she asked 'do they really expect anyone to take them seriously if they act that way in front of a camera'. As a father I wanted to give her the correct answer...but the answer to both her questions was 'I dont know'. I am all for their right to assemble...by all means protest to your heats content. But atleast have the common sense to know what the hell you want to come about because of your protest. Otherwise do us all a favor and make it a hunger strike. Or am I being too insensitive?

This is why they are protesting:

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices. They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity. They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit. They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

I'm not going to totally dismiss the "occupy" group, but they really need to work on some kind of message. Being angry at the poor economy and those you think are responsible is great, but Corporations and Wall Street play by the rules politicians give them. You don't think it is fair, go protest in D.C.

GO "Truth Party"!!!!!! Y E S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only connection between these two groups is in the mind, or what passes for a mind, of the media.

Thank you, LetMe - the best thing that the protesters can do is keep their message as free-flowing as possible. They cannot win with a "coherent" sound bite designed for the media. With no leaders and no sound-bite message, they truly are the 99%. And who in this country that isn't a millionaire doesn't really know what and why they are protesting? I mean, come on! And why are they on Wall Street instead of Washington? Because Wall Street owns Washington. If you haven't figured that one out, then you really are living with your head in the ground.

newsvine kept removing the links, but I'll try to provide them below:

occupywallst . org / forum / first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street /

occupywallst.org / forum / proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th /

those are the links to the messages I posted above. just remove the spaces

madd...

Present your "challenge" to the protesters....show them the "documents" and ask if they have ever seen said documents before, if they have heard of this group "Occupy Wallstreet", or if they can understand what is written on the pages.

JoeNY, thank you for proving why America needs better education.

You seem like a rather bright guy, and probably know what you are talking about. But you don't because, frankly the Constitution was created to strengthen the federal government, which was weak at the time the Constitution was written in 1787. The major argument of the day was that if there was a large government it would infringe upon personal liberties, because back then none were guaranteed. To give you the short version, under the Articles of Confederation, American was governed largely under States Rights which is basically means the Federal Government was small and the States controlled themselves. This actually proved horrible for business and stability so the Constitution was written up in under a hot Virgina sun with generous help from the Federalists, who were spearheaded by Andrew Hamilton and James Madison. Basically, the Founding Fathers intended when they ratified the Constitution that the Federal Government would have the ultimate authority and ability, but States would also have power too, but in a more reduced and local sense.

As an aside, States Rights would also be a contributing force to the Civil War, because southern slave states wanted more freedom to practice slavery and the ability for other states to choose to become slave states as well.

So in essence, at least try to learn a little bit about how and why the Constitution was actually created, not just why you believe it to be so.

Education is a human right? Really? Y'all might want to take a course in the US Constitution and start there.

hardto...

Mr. Obama would be serving juice and cookies to the "protesters" if it would buy him some votes.

Are you kidding ???

tony, that's not my "challenge to the protesters". Those documents were officially released by the group. The documents were written from group discussions held at the protests

madd-doff17,

The list of demands all have to do with CONGRESS, why the hell are they in New York in front of Wall Street?

I was in Vietnam, we came home as "baby burners" and pawns of the elite. So funny, now everyone is a hero, no heroes from Vietnam, at the time. After WW2, most of the Soviet's, wore their hero badges in public. US comics, use to make fun of them, showing a big Star with Hero written on it. So, who are the heroes now. Police, protesters, teabaggers, politicians, congress, war damaged entitlees, Joe Blow on the street trying to make ends meet. Time to rewrite the definition of a Hero.

agree 1 billion % with Madd DAWG...also what would give a boost to this movement is for Obama to fire Tiny Tim from Treasury and put someone else in there....we have the votes in the Senate, and if the republican filibuster, guess what? they will be responsible for no Secretary of Treasury.

Great more Hippie's ,

The hippie's from the 60's are in charge now and we can sure see what a fine job they have done so far LMAO.

All i see are a bunch of looser's that dont have jobs and have nothing else better to do.

Just a bunch of Give me Give Me Idiots if these children are the future of our country we are DOOMED

well there are also protests going on all over America. Wall Street is the most symbolic place, but there is Occupy DC, Occupy Boston, Occupy LA, Occupy Denver, etc... Those protests are just starting up though

Tea Party events start with the Pledge of Allegiance (to the US.)

Can you imagine these protesters saying the pledge?

Tea Party rallies were at approved locations. They got permits first.

These protesters can't even figure out how to stay on the sidewalks so the don't get arrested.

The Tea Party asks that the Gov't follow the Constitution and spend within it's means.

These protesters want more handouts ala Greece.

But please keep protesting. The more people that want Obama out the better - what, they like Obama? So they are protesting to protect the status quo?

Ha Ha haahahahahha. "Revolutionaries" who want to protect the status quo.

Maybe they are just trying to kill off the Tea Party members with laughter.

@madd-dawg17

All of you people bashing these protesters, I present a challenge to you. Read the 2 released documents that Occupy Wallstreet has published.

Maybe you should head on down to wall street and challenge the protestors to read these documents. That way when they're asked what they want you won't get 10 different answers from 10 different people..

Roland, try putting yourself in our shoes. Young people today go to college to get a job that gives them the opportunity to not be dirt poor. But cause you guys f'ed up, we've got old people taking the jobs young people usually work, and old people too scared to retire. Those people that aren't retiring that should be are taking away jobs from the young people that just went to college. So now we've got young people that can't get work experience when they are young, with crippling debt, and the only jobs available are jobs that you struggle to get by with, even for people without crippling college debt. Is it possible to fight through this? Yeah. But just admit that the deck is stacked against us!

Yes indeed, a billion dollar slush fund can get a lot of stay at home kiddies out of mom and dad's basement for a couple of days for a well coordinated and orchestrated, "astro-turf protest",against the "evil" rich,complete with the, "protesters", very own PR firm, and well paid union support ! ,even though I have to say, those kids don't look particularly poor, and definitely not malnourished, (most of them have obviously not missed a meal in a while),but the "protesters" could be better informed, in many cases they don't even know what they are supposed to be protesting, (nobody bothered to tell them) and since it wasn't important enough for them to ask, there must have been some other incentive to get them there),.....hmmmmm, money perhaps? It does make one wonder, why in the world would a sitting President, the most written about and talked about person in the country, ever need to raise a billion dollars just to get the word out about what he has done the last four years? It had to be for something else.....,maybe a trumped up protest against the evil rich here , or a well timed incident to incite the base there, who knows?, but I am sure We will all find out.

Jensen...

I don't need my definition of the word "hero" re-written. I make one large cash donation at the end of each year and the only folks who benefit are injured military folks and their families. There really aren't too many other heroes out there. Surely...you know that !

@backcountry, why don't you tell the media outlets to stop purposely picking the lowest educated people in the crowd and ignoring the actual leaders? Since when has every single protester had to be experts on the subject? Every protest that has ever existed included a few idiots...

Wall Street rallies could be left’s Tea Party

Sounds fair:

One group (supposedly "right") the 'tea party', expresses concern for fiscal and individual responsibility. {A Free Country}

The other group (defining themselves as "left") the 'Wall Street Ralles' express concern for increased Government spending and limited/controlled private enterprise. {A Socialist Country}

I support the idea of the empty suits of Wall Street being protested, and I strongly support the right of peaceful protest, but once the Occupy Wall Street protest left the tracks (and Wall Street) and became anti-capitalist, it Left me!!

...are taking away jobs from the young people that just went to college. So now we've got young people that can't get work experience...

The unemployment rate for college graduates is 4%.

@backcountry, why don't you tell the media outlets to stop purposely picking the lowest educated people in the crowd and ignoring the actual leaders?

They all look the same, how do you tell the "lowest educated" from the college graduates that you just claimed these people all are.

I'm still waiting for one of you people bashing the protesters to actually reply to their actual message. I see you are all experts on debate techniques! If you can't find problems in their argument, just make fun of them until people listen to you!

backcountry, that number is highly misleading. A college graduate working at McDonalds does not count towards unemployment

And I did not claim all of them are college graduates. But the people leading the group are. Talk to them.

First and foremost the limited coverage by the media and the mostly biased stories that I've seen clearly indicate more is going on than meets the eye and that this has caught some of the higher ups attention -whether they are a little unnerved or just showing how they can control this annoyance with their power. This is more than the group of hippies we keep seeing and most anything on this, from the main stream media, seems that it needs to be taken with a grain of salt, which sadly seems to be the case most of the time nowadays.

That being said I really hope this doesn't become the opposite of the tea party because then we will have another extremist movement that we don't need. The tea party when it was in its infancy was similar with many loosely tied groups some of which had unrealistic demands/ides (like some at the current wall street protest) but did have some meaningful gripes like the bailouts for all banks and the ever growing government influence and control in places it doesn't need to be. Yet, the extreme groups where the ones that came out with the loudest voice and quickly began to sour the movement, even more so once the plague of the Koch brothers infected it and has now left us with an extremist group whose real goals are scary to say the least.

Yes for the most part this new movement is viewed as being liberal but hopefully it will remain more independent and stick to some real meaningful goals that lie in the best interest for the American people and not one party or the other.

It is time America to stand and say no more. We are tired of playing with a fixed deck and want the rules to be the same for all. To those on Wall Street protesting, stay classy and when you find your voice, don't let those with their own self interests lead you astray. You have some company in your midst that is needed to help the movement but will quickly cast you aside in favor of there own agenda if they get the opportunity, be mindful. This is our chance America, continue to come together and demand the real changes that will actually help and benefit America as a whole. We don't have to agree on everything but can do leaps and bounds better than we have been and certainly better than what DC is doing.

madd-dawg17

Roland, try putting yourself in our shoes. Young people today go to college to get a job that gives them the opportunity to not be dirt poor. But cause you guys f'ed up, we've got old people taking the jobs young people usually work, and old people too scared to retire. Those people that aren't retiring that should be are taking away jobs from the young people that just went to college. So now we've got young people that can't get work experience when they are young, with crippling debt, and the only jobs available are jobs that you struggle to get by with, even for people without crippling college debt. Is it possible to fight through this? Yeah. But just admit that the deck is stacked against us!

Very well said.

But I have to say I am against anything that is remotely Socialist or Marxist.

Madd Dog,

I agree with logic. Their published demands have nothing to do with corporations, but to do with Congress and our politicians on both sides.

As a side note, they want to end corporations outsourcing of jobs, Obama just yesterday sent the Free Trade agreement for Korea, Panama and Columbia to Boehner to sign, which he will. Because GE and Caterpillar asked him to. I'm sure that is so more US workers can be hired in the US to produce goods and export them.....

Many of the other issues they posted have to do with law, and there are laws in place to regulate their concerns already.

And regarding the real issue for most of them, the compensation package based 10% on salary, and 90% on future value of stock options, do we really want the government regulating our pay? Although I have to admit that the bonus packages are way too extreme. It's why I choose not to shop certain places. Add HP computers to the mix now for me.

skip... excellent post my friend.

I think the reason that they are protesting on Wall Street is because that is who they are protesting. They'd like the government to make some changes, but they're not fighting the government; they're fighting Wall Street. There is an Occupy DC protest starting up which should put the pressure on the government too. I just took their message as "we want to fix the problem via government, but make no mistake that the problem is Wall Street"

I'm still waiting for one of you people bashing the protesters to actually reply to their actual message

We still don't know what THEIR message is. Obviously these people are not all on the same page that you want them to be on. Stop trying to pretend there is a cohesive message when CLEARLY there is not.

Backcountry,

Direct quote from the 1st link:

"This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29. It is our first official document for release."

How can this not be there message when it was agreed upon unanimously?

madd dawg, I find it helpful if the people actually doing the protesting read the document first. Let them get their story straight, then we can have an open, honest debate. I really do support their right to assemble and to protest...but please have some idea what you're doing there. Multiple TV crews there last night, and I saw multiple signs condoning communism and marxism. I understand you cant keep EVERYONE on topic, but come on.

Now, I read their 'message'. However, I think they forgot a few things in their persecution of the big business monsters. College education is listed, but they fail to mention the donors that made these institutions possible. They mention drug companies, but fail to give them credit for actually making the medicines....which without the profits on one drug, they cant afford to R&D more drugs.

These are 'talking points'....not a message. Any 8th grader in a civics class assignment can rail against the big bad government by using these. What I want to know is when did turning a profit turn into a bad thing. More demand and profit, doesnt that lead to more jobs? Or did I miss something in economics class.

Get back to me when they get a real message.

So the Tea Party comes on here everyday, complaining that people do not listen to their "real message" and only stereotype them based on their worst members (racists, bigots, etc)... but when a new group is born, they do the same thing, stereotyping them and ignoring their "real message".

Way to go, Tea Party. You have successfully become the people you have argued against for the past two years. *golf clap*

I'm sick of being punked. GO HOME! Stop being George Soros' cronie mob! This is fake, the arrests are fake, the motivation behind it is fake, the coverage of it pointless and FAKE!

This is not Tea Party or Leftists, this is a diversion and completely FAKE!

Shame on this nation that fakes riots and protests, fakes the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords (Don't think so? Go watch the YouTube Videos on the Green Family conspiracy and how almost all the the people were Pima County Sheriff ACTORS!), fakes terror threats while the FBI supplies the explosives, FAKE FAKE FAKE! Are we commanded by the father of lies, Satan? Is that who rules this nation? Stop the lies!

Stop believing the media!

Don't bore me with a limp request to provide links on this site...

Tony,

I wasn't trying to bore you. I was just trying to expose you. Nothing is a bigger waste of time than anectdotal and unverifiable conversations, occurrences or events.

I am surprised that you admitted your lack of resources. Kudos to your eventual honesty and candor.

How can this not be there message when it was agreed upon unanimously?

How? Well why don't you ask them? As I've said, if you ask 10 different people you'd get 10 different answers. Maybe they didn't bother to read the message they all voted on but rather just followed along with the rest of the mob like lemmings.

Newly independent,

I'll bite. Take what madd dogg put down word for word on .67 and .70. The first has 100% to do with Congress, which last I checked wasn't in NYC on Wall Street. The second, break it down, line by line and specifically ask yourself, which sentence, or point has not already been addressed either by the US Court system, or is a Washington problem, not a business problem.

And with a document that states points such as every person has the right to have a debt free higher education (human right...Really????). Poisons people intentionally for profit.....There are laws against that, or if not tough enough should be.

My issue with these people is that there is nothing that I see in the declaration that corporations need to change. These people are actually directing their anger at the wrong group, it should be directed towards the politicians.

I'm not a Tea Party person, but I am fiscally conservative. I'll agree with raising taxes if it makes sense and address the problem, and Washington won't be back for more 2 years later. I agree that these people have the right to protest, but their message, to me, is basically pointless.

.Hey tard's you may want to change locations to DC

Um, they are there. We'll give you a few minutes to catch up. And you might want to watch who you're calling a tard, since you yourself seem a little slow on the uptake.

@Newly-Independent

So the Tea Party comes on here everyday, complaining that people do not listen to their "real message" and only stereotype them based on their worst members (racists, bigots, etc)... but when a new group is born, they do the same thing, stereotyping them and ignoring their "real message".

I don't see where anyone has identified themselves as being members of the Tea Party so who exactly are you criticizing for being hypocritical? I have noted, however, that you lump the tea party into one big group in posts that you've made. Claiming the boos of two people in the audience represent the opinion of the entire crowd. - "You're a vet and you support a party who "Boo's" a fellow soldier? Are you serious?"-http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/23/7919026-first-thoughts-perry-struggles-again?commentId=58324182#c58324182

Be careful of who YOU accuse of stereotyping and who YOU call a hypocrite.

This group is a fraud, or the dumbest group of people in the nation.

If they want to change the law, they picked the wrong city! Someone may want to let them know that the lawmakers are in DC, well, when they are not on their monthly vacation break.

In less than 3 years Obama has created an environment that has produced stagnant employment, record foodstamp use, record numbers in poverty.

And his JOBS CZAR is the GE CEO, who is building factories in CHINA, in order to ship more US jobs overseas.

Seems they picked the wrong city AND the wrong party.

All I can say is I love it. Keep it up!!!

These are the same people as the riots in England, or the protesters in Greece.

Essentially, they want more Gov't and less reality.

Most of them are young, so they are just kids who don't want to grow up.

They don't want to be responsible for themselves, they need Mommy Gov't to do that.

They'll blame a bank for making a risky loan, but never the consumer for taking the risky loan.

An adult realizes that it took two to tango.

Funny, they want more laws - but 600 of them just got arrested for breaking laws.

Maybe at some point they will figure out that any money sent to Wall Street by the poeple was sent there voluntarily.

We took a risk to get more back in return. You can call it greed, but finance makes things get built. What business, home, school or road wasn't financed?

Do stocks always go up?

I've seen comments from these types who literally think the Gov't should make laws that stock prices cannot go down.

I'm not kidding.

And to them, it sounds great. All upside.

But the demands these protesters have are essentially the same.

I want I want I want - and make someone else pay for it.

I made some stupid mistakes when I was young, so I should probably cut them some slack.

But there are plenty of adult Progressives making the same mistakes.

Look at the P.I.I.G.S.. They are nearly bankrupt, and yet, they have done everything a progressive could ask for.

They will blame everyone or thing except the one glaring reality that they are blind to: Uncontrolled Big Gov't that hands out more than it can take in while micromanaging every life and business will never work. Never has, never will. Europe is proof of that.

Well Backcountry my question for YOU is first of all why did all the Republicans sign a "pledge"? Isn't that kinda sheeple? Actually kinda un-American? And what exactly does that pledge say in full? And WHY would ANY seasoned politician sign anything Grover Norquist put in front of them? I can't help but wonder what the Koch payout was for that!!

The next question I have is why can't the Republicans see that we need JOBS and they need to vote for it? Do they like to see people drawing unemployment and welfare? Do y'all sleep well or do you dream of throwing people out of their homes, seeing them living on the streets with little or no money? Does any part of hungry children bother you?

My next question is WHY is a Supreme Court Justice cheating on his taxes?? Are taxes just something little people pay? He's a Supreme Court Justice for crying out loud!! He needs to resign and do it NOW

AND what's with all the corruption surrounding the Koch brothers?? I'm thinking the TP needs to take a long hard look at who they aspire to be. And speaking of corruption will we EVER find out how much money the Bush family, Cheney and yes even Clinton have made out of this friggin all my life war? You have a guess on that Backcountry??

Is all of this and MORE a symbol of y'alls good Christian values?? What was it Ghandi said...."I like your Christ but not your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.".................amen to that!!

That being said we need to ask for term limits on congress and renegotiate their salaries and benefits to fit in with more like the rest if the population live on. Of course they are all wealthy when they come in...why do they even need a salary???

"Too big to fail is too big to allow." That pretty much sums it up. I'm not sure why MSNBC chooses to categorize movements as "left" or "right." It sounds like people are fed up with big establishments and their power. That means government AND corporations.

Giving more power to the federal government, and allowing oligopolies to take over more of the economy, both act to centralize control. We need to strive for smaller government AND trust-busting, instead of pitting one villain against another. I hope the Tea Party and the Wall Street Occupations find success, instead of arguing whether the Big Bad Government or the Big Bad Corporations are the worst.

I'm becoming increasingly amused and disgusted, all at the same time, by the people who keep dwelling on the protesters' appearance in the news. For one thing, appearance has NOTHING to do with intelligence or drive. For another, of course the media is going to focus on the most eccentric-looking folks in the crowd. You think the media is there to inform you? Silly sheep... they're there to ENTERTAIN you... nothing more. Secondly, there's a good reason the protestors are on Wall Street and not in DC... as another previous poster wrote, (and I'm sorry, I can't find your post, there's too many on here!) "Wall Street OWNS Congress". Besides, there are protests in DC now, they're springing up everywhere.

It's simple folks, real simple: Wall Street owns the police, the media, and Congress. It's not a conspiracy theory, or even an exaggeration... it's just the truth. If you're too blind to see how much the wealthy 2% in this country influence EVERYTHING, you are truly the ones who deserve to be laughed at, because you're living in a bubble. If you don't believe me, explain why JP Morgan just donated several millions of dollars to the NYPD right before they arrested and/or maced 700 peaceful protesters. Explain why it took several weeks before the media even began to cover these protests. Go ahead. I dare you.

Thank you, Madd Dawg, for posting links to the protestor's official literature. I would agree that all the protesters need to be sure to read it. I'm sure most have, but just like every other protest/revolution in history, there are a few that just go along because they believe in the overall message (or they go along just because they're sheep, but either way, it gives the movement momentum...)

Keep laughing them up! Like I said earlier, your disdain only fuels our fire.

Instead of targeting specific groups who are influencing Washington's politicians (corporations, unions, special interest groups, etc.) why don't we just say we want NO outside influences in our politics??

That means no corporate donations, no union donations, no special interest group donations, no lobbyists, no nothing. Zip, zilch, nada. Demand to put an end to all of it. Personal donations only...and we're not talking large donations there either.

You want to run for political office, fine. Anyone who wants to donate to your campaign can make a personal donation of up to $20. No more. Let's see how much political influence $20 buys you these days. No more argument over who has more influence with elected government officials. there'd be a nice, level playing field.

Yeah, I know it'll never happen. I know it's probably not even remotely realistic. Still, it's a nice thought isn't it?

@rico-3714896

Well Backcountry my question for YOU is first of all why did all the Republicans sign a "pledge"? Isn't that kinda sheeple?

No, I wouldn't say that is "kinda" sheeple. I would say it's "completely" sheeple.

As for the rest of your "why the republicans this or that" questions, I would suggest that you ask a republican.

@Idaho Dragon

Still, it's a nice thought isn't it?

Yes, it is.

This is the largest collection of complete morons in memory. However, they shouldn't be dismissed as the fools they are because en masse, even fools can be dangerous. They're being used but are expectedly too stupid to realize this.

Funny, that's what we said about the T-Party.

Idaho Dragon

Instead of targeting specific groups who are influencing Washington's politicians (corporations, unions, special interest groups, etc.) why don't we just say we want NO outside influences in our politics??

We're trying to: getmoneyout.com/. The problem is it's quiet and peaceful, and up against both Wall Street and government corruption...probably doesn't stand a chance!

Wall Street engaged in a criminally fraudulant mortgage scheme, costing Americans their savings, their retirement, their jobs, their homes.

Everyone knows this occurred and knows not one of these Wall Street criminals have been prosecuted but in fact been handsomely paid for their criminal activities with monies taken in taxes from the Americans they cheated.

Who in the Hell are you people who attack those who are standing up to these pieces of criminal garbage while keeping mum on any mention of these sub-human, slim bag "Chosen Ones" you should be standing up against also.

By the way--it's interesting to note that I haven't found any "mainstream" media sites (yet) that have reported on JP Morgan's $4.6 million donation to the NYPD. Seems like they're either more ill-informed than you all claim the protestors to be... (I bet YOU didn't even know that, Ol' Doc... who's the moron now?)

...Or maybe, JP Morgan bought off the media, too? I'd say both scenarios are just as likely.

America's political and economic systems (political parties and corporations) are nothing more than pus swollen carbuncles discharging corruption upon those it purports to serve. These "occupiers" are out with the intention of lancing the boils at the source of their cores, which is wall street and Washington DC. I hope "Jones" is beginning to realize the power he is managing and the growing dynamic to do what needs to be done. The severance of merged political and corporate power must be accomplished with whatever means required even to the extent of shutting down the country. Plutocracy and Serfdom shall not long reside in the United States of America.

Mac Forrester,

Serfdom? Do you even know what serfdom is? I hate to break this to you but there is no serfdom in this country. You are perfectly free to choose your employer. If you don't like one, you can always go looking for another one. Not all businesses in this country are corporations.

And while you're talking about corruption, don't forget to bring up the unions, lobbyists and special interest groups. If you want to be fair, that is. Either advocate for a removal of ALL of the corruption in Washington or don't bother.

Only howling about one group's influence while ignoring the others is a sign of political idealogy and not interest in the truth.

While agree with the underlying sentiment of your statement, the problem with statements like yours is they are too emotionally based and too loose with the truth.

Stick to facts. Leave the melodrama for the theatre.

They will protest and carry on until someone gets tired of them and then there will be violence and someone will get hurt and then everyone will get together to condemn the cops and after that they'll go home.

This is not spontaneous, this whole thing was orchestrated by Stephen Lerner, Van Jones and many other communists. Think not? Go do the research, this has been posted for months now, they all claim to want to recreate the Arab Spring in America, ushering in the new socialist model.

MacForrseter: Sorry but the radical revolutionary mantra gets tiresome after awhile. Radical revolutionaries are always wanting communism, they need the chaos in order to 'destroy the old established order so that the new and vibrant people' s paradise can be installed' with the radical revolutionaries in charge, of course.

This is just too funny. There is nothing about this group that is similar to the Tea Party people. This group rejects tradition and the constitution and personal responsibility. The Tea Party embraces all of that. This group rejects corporatism but only so they can replace it with socialism/communism. The Tea Party rejects corporatism too, but they want it replaced with free markets and more capitalism.

The best thing this group has going for it is that hot looking blonde haired/blue eyed "native American" communist chick. She might be stupid, but she's fun to look at.

Leave it to someone in the MSM to totally and STILL miss the concept behind the Tea Party.

If Wall Street are full of criminals the Department of Justice should start making charges, not you. Do you go to the house of a delinquent to protest for his crime. Only libs.

Backcountry-

Oh I ABSOLUTELY lump all Tea Party members into one basket, based on what I have seen with my own eyes. I have heard all the cries, "we are not all like that"... "that was just one TP group, not all of them"... blah, blah, blah. Excuses, excuses, excuses.

So yes, I lump all of you together because not one of you, NOT ONE, has stood up and opposed the horrible behavior I have seen. (And not just in that post, but personally with my own eyes)

But see, that doesn't make me a hypocrite because I am not part of this "occupy" group... and I don't care if people lump me into something. I just find enjoyment pointing out when people, like you, complain about "lumping all of us together"... yet you do the exact same thing to other groups. The difference is that I admit when I do it, AND I do not complain when people do it to me.

As usual, the Teabaggers are putting down a real grassroots movement that is standing up for individual Americans, all on the behest of the billionaires.

Skip Nicholson (#1.4) is my hero of the day.

With so many Teabaggers against this movement you just know it's a good thing!

Idaho Dragon#1.130: I know you are one silly person. A student of "Frank Luntz". I don't think you would know a fact from an act if your life depended upon it. Now, go somewhere and whine.

mygirl1: Sorry you get tired so easily. Truthfully, your lack of logic and scattered variations of scripted posts tire me sometimes. Mostly though, since I pretty much know them all by custom now, I simply don't read them anymore.

Rich-281385: The conceptual basis of the "tea party" is rampant ignorance strong enough to devolve into individual chosen stupidity. May you laugh until your ass fails you.

Seriously people? I don't know exactly what they're protesting (I know that someone posted a list up above and I read it - sounds good to me). However, if they are protesting against Wall Street, they're probably protesting against the bank bailout, and the situation that lead to the economic collapse. They probably want to hold the banks accountable, and they are right to do so, and you are wrong to disregard them as "hippies" or "gimme gimme's." Shame on you. You look at their youth, at how they're dressed and you judge them. But did you forget that the Tea Party dressed up in silly costumes? Again, just...shame on you.

Those that are interested and are seeking a good laugh should look up their list of demands (too long for me to list here). This is the largest collection of complete morons in memory. However, they shouldn’t be dismissed as the fools they are because en masse, even fools can be dangerous. They're being used but are expectedly too stupid to realize this.

Hey, we've been hearing the exact same argument about the Teaparty, and for similar reasons. While they're not the same, the similarities are striking. They even have some of the same complaints and demands - both Teaparty and Occupy are upset at the actions of banks and financial companies that caused major disruptions to our economy, both groups are upset at the bailout, both groups are upset at Congress doing the bidding of the rich and powerful at the expense of everyone else.

Ah, but the differences! The Teaparty is an astro-turf group financed and manipulated by billionaires to benefit themselves and the Republican party, Occupy is truly a grass-roots group with no billionaire manipulation.

Why hasn't the Teaparty shown support for Occupy, given how many areas they happen to agree on? Because their controllers and handlers (the Orwellian named "Freedom Works" and Newscorp/Fox) is spreading lies about Occupy and turning them against those that should be their allies.

Go protest obammy and GE for NOT PAYING TAXES then I might deem admissible. What are you protesting when the messiah you voted for are sending jobs to china and not making them pay taxes?? What failures you people are. You don't even have a clue as to what you are doing. As was said before "Be careful of what you wish as you just might get it". Although you libs cannot ever understand what that is as long as you get a free ride on the backs of the 50% of Americans that DO PAY TAXES.

@Newly-Independent

The difference is that I admit when I do it, AND I do not complain when people do it to me

Well at least you're willing to admit you're a part of what's wrong with this country. I'll give you credit for being honest about it.

btw, don't assume everyone who points out your hypocrisy (you think you're any better than the people you hate on? Really? LOL!) is a republican or tea party just because you're as far left of the fence as you can be.

btw- "newly independent"? Does that translate to "don't want to admit to being a Dem anymore"? A growing trend to be sure and likely to continue once the congress level campaigning begins. lol

The Wall Street protest movement is a lot more genuine than than the Tea Party.

The corporate media have exaggerated the power and popularity of the Tea Party because they represent corporate interests.

Here's something about the Tea Party I found online:

The Tea Party movement: deluded and inspired by billionaires

By funding numerous rightwing organisations, the mega-rich Koch brothers have duped millions into supporting big business

• • • George Monbiot
    • guardian.co.uk, Monday 25 October 2010 15.15 EDT

The Tea Party movement is remarkable in two respects. It is one of the biggest exercises in false consciousness the world has seen – and the biggest Astroturf operation in history. These accomplishments are closely related.

An Astroturf campaign is a fake grassroots movement: it purports to be a spontaneous uprising of concerned citizens, but in reality it is founded and funded by elite interests. Some Astroturf campaigns have no grassroots component at all. Others catalyse and direct real mobilisations. The Tea Party belongs in the second category. It is mostly composed of passionate, well-meaning people who think they are fighting elite power, unaware that they have been organised by the very interests they believe they are confronting. We now have powerful evidence that the movement was established and has been guided with the help of money from billionaires and big business. Much of this money, as well as much of the strategy and staffing, were provided by two brothers who run what they call "the biggest company you've never heard of"…

…Americans for Prosperity is one of several groups set up by the Kochs to promote their politics. We know their foundations have given it at least $5m, but few such records are in the public domain and the total could be much higher. It has toured the country organising rallies against healthcare reform and the Democrats' attempts to tackle climate change. It provided the key organising tools that set the Tea Party running.

The movement began when CNBC's Rick Santelli called from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for a bankers' revolt against the undeserving poor. (He proposed that the traders should hold a tea party to dump derivative securities in Lake Michigan to prevent Obama's plan to "subsidise the losers": by which he meant people whose mortgages had fallen into arrears.) On the same day, Americans for Prosperity set up a Tea Party Facebook page and started organising Tea Party events.

Oldham's film shows how AFP crafted the movement's messages and drafted its talking points. The New Yorker magazine, in the course of a remarkable exposure of the Koch brothers' funding networks, interviewed some of their former consultants. "The Koch brothers gave the money that founded [the Tea Party]," one of them explained. "It's like they put the seeds in the ground. Then the rainstorm comes, and the frogs come out of the mud – and they're our candidates!" Another observed that the Kochs are smart. "This rightwing, redneck stuff works for them. They see this as a way to get things done without getting dirty themselves."….

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/25/tea-party-koch-brothers

Backcountry you want me to believe you aren't Republican/TP?? Explain to me how any group of thousands of people are going to parrot the same party line unless they are indoctrinated like the cry of "NO More Taxes". I've got your number buddy.

From the Republican/TP handbook of talking points:

Deceive - Identify yourself as a moderate, centrist or independent. It will also cause Liberals to lower their guard a bit, which gives you an effective opening. This may also have the effect of aligning conservative viewpoints with the real moderates we are attempting to reach.

It may serve to influence some moderates over to the Republican side. Patriotism Always claim the high ground of pro-military, low taxes, strong defense, morality and religion. We own those virtues. Learn how to exploit them when debating

Now the true liders of those morons are comming to the front. Obama supporters, moveon.org Soros followers, Unions and community organizers and left wing lunatics all of them following the Rules For Radicals of the Marxist Saul Alinsky. While the Tea Party Group is a nationalist group demanding to the government go to the principals of our constitution , liberals are working with useful idiots to promote his agenda to bring chaos. From Alinsky book ..."A Marxist begins with his prime truth all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat (workers) by the capitalist. From this logically proceeds to the revolution to end the capitalism , then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat , and finally the last stage --the political paradise of the communism" .

madd-dawg17
Roland, try putting yourself in our shoes. Young people today go to college to get a job that gives them the opportunity to not be dirt poor. But cause you guys f'ed up, we've got old people taking the jobs young people usually work, and old people too scared to retire. Those people that aren't retiring that should be are taking away jobs from the young people that just went to college. So now we've got young people that can't get work experience when they are young, with crippling debt, and the only jobs available are jobs that you struggle to get by with, even for people without crippling college debt. Is it possible to fight through this? Yeah. But just admit that the deck is stacked against us!

Junior, get in line and join the club. I've been working 30 years and my house is worth $100,000 less than my mortgage balance. If I was alone, I'd say I screwed up. i'm more than not alone. I can't retire. The only way out is to grow the economy. It is the only way to make room for the young people. Obama can't do it. He has failed. It is time to try a new way forward.

What make the TP a nationalist group? And what the heck does THAT mean?

@rico-3714896

Backcountry you want me to believe you aren't Republican/TP?? Explain to me how any group of thousands of people are going to parrot the same party line unless they are indoctrinated like the cry of "NO More Taxes". I've got your number buddy.

I'm a Libertarian and we've been crying out for fiscal responsibility for the past 11 years not this "johnny come lately" thing you see from republicans now that it isn't "their guy" writing checks our country can't cash. Ask me how I feel about gays getting married or the war on drugs and then tell me if you still think I'm a republican/TP.

I'm sure this comes as a shock, but it isn't just republicans who can see the @ss backward policies on the left.

Voting Libertarian is like saying...I don't vote. IMHO

Meanwhile back at the ranch...why isn't MSNBC reporting on this story?

Two Army Corps Officials Charged In $20 Million Fraud Conspiracy Fox News‏

google it. It'll be interesting to find out ALL the names involved.

Voting Libertarian is like saying...I don't vote. IMHO

I don't exclusively vote Libertarian, I vote the the candidate (or referendum) that I believe has my and the countries best interest in mind. Can you imagine, voting for someone that isn't in the SAME party as you are?!? Shocking isn't it?

Voting the party line is like saying...I'm just a lemming, please tell me how to act, think and vote because I lack the intelligence to make my own decisions. IMHO

Well speaking of sheeple I believe Grover Norquist ( ewwww) had EVERY Republican, Tea Party AND Libertarian sign some sort of un-American pledge.

Now show me how you go BAAAAAAAAAAA

btone...

Amazing how much you have learned about me from two sentences I'd written.

Sorry about my "lack of resources" but so pleased that you've applauded me for my "eventual candor".

The dumbest thing any person can do is assume a higher level of wisdom than possessed by a complete stranger. Your comment qualifies.

Well speaking of sheeple I believe Grover Norquist ( ewwww) had EVERY Republican, Tea Party AND Libertarian sign some sort of un-American pledge.

If you believe that then the only sheeple you see is the one in the mirror.

I mean seriously, how you can criticize others for "parroting the party line" even as you sit in front of the trough lapping it up is beyond me.

yes, it is amusing how they complain about others following a party line and then turn around and regurgitate from memory their scripted talking points.

Uh, Mac & rico: Hyperbole much? So now you know about EVERYONE? Wow, so who made you so prescient?

"Democrap colostomy baggers" that's hysterical...can't wait to see that on a t-shirt

Very interesting!! I just looked up who did and didn't sign again and it has changed. When I looked months, maybe even closer to a year ago every Republican had signed it. I'm going to look through my files and see if I still have it.

Now, today here is what's going on:

WASHINGTON – At least two Republican congressmen say they don't remember signing it. One signed it, but has since disavowed it. A half dozen have bucked pressure from within their own party and never signed it.

And a few others say they support the Taxpayer Protection Pledge in principle but would sooner violate the pledge than turn their back on a deal to reduce federal spending.

For more than two decades, the pledge written by activist Grover Norquist has been essential job application paperwork for any conservative Republican seeking a seat in Congress.

But a small number of GOP House members are joining Senate colleagues in distancing themselves from the pledge, as Congress works on a compromise to reduce the deficit.

That distance has taken a number of forms, from amnesia to outright disavowal.

I for one applaud the Republicans/TP for turning away from this unpatriotic act and for seeing Grover Norquist for who he really is.

In another related article on MSNBC, the democrats refuse to address the budget debate until taxes are raised. So, tax and spend and no attempts made to curtail government spending, nope, can't have that. Interesting that in Oregon the state taxed the rich more, thinking that by doing so they would increase revenues. Seems that little gambit wasn't as lucrative as they had hoped. Seems the wealthy who were getting higher taxes moved out of state. Apparently they didn't want to get sucked dry in a move to re-distribute the wealth.

Don't blame Wall-street or the Banks if your too stupid to hold a job or make a success out of your life. It's your own fault, if you have no talents, no ambition, and no intelligence to succeed.

"Don't blame Wall-street or the Banks if your too stupid to hold a job or make a success out of your life. It's your own fault, if you have no talents, no ambition, and no intelligence to succeed."

So...it isn't Wall Street's fault that we are in an economic crisis? The people who are unemployed are just lazy? That's good to know. So when conservatives were complaining about the teachers union and teachers benefits and were saying teachers should be thankful they have jobs at all...teachers should have just replied - "It's your own fault, if you have no talents, no ambition, and no intelligence to succeed." Interesting.

Additionally it must be a relief for Clinton, Bush and Obama to know that the high unemployment rate isn't because of their policies - it's just because those people "have no talents, no ambition, and no intelligence to succeed." Brilliant!

It's some pretty serious circular logic. Those who are rich deserve to be rich, otherwise they wouldn't be rich! Those who are poor deserve to be poor, otherwise they wouldn't be poor! Those who are unemployed deserve to be unemployed, otherwise they wouldn't be unemployed! After all, everyone learns at a very early age that the life is fair and you always get what you deserve!

Wait...that doesn't sound right...

How about equal representation for "we the people" to that of big business and the ultra rich in our government? Corporations should not be able to sway who wins elections and it should be completely illegal for them to use lobbyists to bribe the "representatives". The Repubs and Dems don't work for the people anymore and sure appreciate the weak minded following them blindly and being so easily brain-washed though.

From those interviewed they certainly do seem weak minded but who else would buy Obama's class war. One of these brain trusts when asked what they wanted said" to destroy capitalism. When he was asked what they would replace it with, he just stood there with a dumfounded look and no answer. I guess whoever sent them out there forgot to tell them that answer. We all know the only alternative to Capitalism is Socialism or Communiism and we've had a few decades to see that does not work and we sure as Heck Do Not Want It.

Shake my head: You sure make me want to shake mine.

Obama did not start a class war. Sorry, the FOX talking points are BS.

The class war was started 30 years ago by the corporate elite who have bought off both parties and hired one as a cheerleader for screwing the middle-class.

Why is it class warfare to go back to Reagan's own tax structure and ask that we all pay our fair share? Why is it class warfare to demand good jobs that are being shipped overseas?

You guys call it a class war because we are finally fighting back.

TRock-1967 - You seem to be under the impression that any tax increases are going to directly benefit the lower and middle class. That simply isn't going to happen. The government desperately needs that money just to maintain the status quo.

As for the corporations holding sway over the elections. If that is the case how did Obama get elected?

Skup,

They hope for reform on Wall Street so that the system becomes fair again, and so that the rich finally pay their fair share.

And maybe if there wasn't a Do-Nothing Congress with an obstructionist Republican Party, that hated President Barrack Huessien Obama from the first day he was elected, for no other reason than because they were bitter over a big-time defeat.

TRock-1967
We all know that money and lobbyists are destroying our country and the politicians are working for them selves not us. What do you think inspired the Tea Party, but they realize that what is needed is a law against lobbyists.. No lobbying allowed under felony punishment and no person who has ever served in a government job or elected position allowed to work as a lobbyist thereafter. Easy and simple once we elect the right people. Why do you think those currently in power are so afraid of the Tea Party? BUT Socialism certainly is not the answer and neither is class warfare that these nuckleheads are advocating. They are just put up there too unintelligent to know what they are doing much less talking about.

In taxing the rich, it should start with our very own Jobs Czar who sits with Obama, closes US plants and opens new ones in China and Mexico and pays no taxes at all! I would also say that all of the people protesting Wall St have no 401k investments because they've never worked at a lucrative job with benefits such as the jobs with corporations. The same corporations they hate so much. Have they ever thought about getting a job in either area?

People are angry and frustrated and have turned to the streets to air their frustrations and all you can do is call them morons?

This is Democracy in action. SO it's OK for the Tea Party to do the same thing but not for young people? They're angry and doing something about it.

Good for them.

The pieces are all there: ordinary citizens banding together for a cause;

Yep! All ordinary citizens dress up like zombies and dance to sycronized music. Just like all "ordinary citizens" spike redwood trees and sign up for 6 month voyages on the Sea Shepard.

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far from being freeloaders and thugs ..most that I see are graduates and workers ... the ones that cant find a good paying job unless they go to Arizona and pick crops in the field ...

eraser...

Sorry...but it appears to be a march of the loonie birds.

With all the jabs and jokes leveled at the TEA Party...they do have thngs a tad more together than these pugs in New York. Oh...they're upset that 700 were arrested for stopping traffic ON THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE and want all the charges dropped. They can whine all they want about all the things they don't understand...while you believethey actually do...but you don't hinder other citizens' business, commerce, or travel while whining.

On top of that, but had one of these twerps gotten nicked by a car on the bridge and the only thing they'd be looking for is three lawyers to sue the driver, the cops, and the city.

You carefully researched who the real squanderers are, didn't you? Not just repeat of what you heard on the news or sound bite, right? Some real indepth research, right?

They hope for reform on Wall Street so that the system becomes fair again, and so that the rich finally pay their fair share.

Yeah, the Assoiciated Press pretty much busted that BS a couple weeks ago. Not only do the wealthy pay the majority of the taxes now, they even pay a higher percentage of their income than does Buffetts secretary and the rest of us in the middle class.- http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/fact-check-rich-taxed-secretaries-14561376

Try to keep up.

Welden...

The number of "man on the street" interviews are increasing on the news. Some are absolutely hysterical. They show loop together the interviews...sell it as a comedy video.

Linda in Texas: As a Product Line Manager for 15 years in manufacturing, I can tell you that Obama's job Czar is not the reason why jobs are going overseas. CEO's make those decisions based on set margins that drive cost models. It's about getting the cheapest labor rate to remain competitive in a global market.

I would also say that all of the people protesting Wall St have no 401k investments because they've never worked at a lucrative job with benefits such as the jobs with corporations. The same corporations they hate so much. Have they ever thought about getting a job in either area?

And here's where I get mad. Linda and all of you other ignorant corporate apologists. The vast majority of people in those streets WORK. That's right Linda: 401k's, full-time, paying taxes, the whole shabang.

I'm sick and tired of you guys going to your little playbook and pulling out the "anyone who protests doesn't want to work" garbage. It's a lie.

And FYI, the protests, in part, are about getting good jobs!

The progressives have been saying that they want the US to be more like Europe for decades.

And here it is: a Gov't debt load just like Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, and Spain.

Now we are getting Greek and British style protesters.

Can't wait until the 2012 elections. We will have a Europe in collapse and these knuckleheads to point to and say: "Do you still want to be more like Europe?"

And then maybe real change can begin.

Ryan in Texas: your argument would hold water if the US actually was like the European countries you mention.

It's not. In fact, far from it.

Europe's debt problems go back to the same financial crisis that took us down. You should learn about international banking before you stump for FOX News again.

Furthermore, Germany is a socialist country and they're doing great right now.

Germany - the most successful major European country is at near ZERO PERCENT GROWTH!

So let's make this a head to head competition.

I'm all for it.

Greece has no military, and Gov't healthcare.

They have high taxes on the wealthy.

And lots of regulations.

And handouts as far as the eye can see.

And how is the liberal plan working out there?

Care to move on to Italy, Ireland, Great Brittan, Spain, France, or Portugal?

We now have plenty of evidence from those countries that big Gov't doesn't work.

Your only hope is they can borrow enough to get past the 2012 elections next November.

Otherwise, the Democrat/Progressive/Liberal/Socialist plans here in the US are toast.

(Thank goodness we won't have to wait until we end up like Greece and the other European countries to see what a disaster Big Gov't is. We will have a perfect example of it live on TV. )

It's time for real change. We tried an evergrowing, no rules Federal Gov't for 80 years. It failed and all we have to show for it is massive debt.

We left Europe for a reason!

Ryan in Texas: German GDP has hovered at anywhere from .1% to 2.1%. They have low unemployment compared to the Euro average of 10%.

They have free healthcare and education. Great child care subsidies. All of it paid for by a fair tax system.

As for "liberal" plans, the US was much more liberal prior to the 1980's and we were stronger for it. How do you think all of the infrastructure you've enjoyed got built?

Dude, go back to FOX, slurp up some more lies. We'll see you tomorrow.

How was the US more liberal prior to 1980?

Not by Gov't spending of which 2/3 is now entitlements.

There are more regulations now than in 1980.

So really, with Germany at .1% growth, and Europe about to collapse - I'm all for continuing this narrative right into the elections in 2012 and beyound...

As for the corporations holding sway over the elections. If that is the case how did Obama get elected?

Simple question simply answered. Obama was elected before the "Citizens United" decision. Corporations won...the American people lost.

Wall Street engaged in a criminally fraudulant mortgage scheme, costing Americans their savings, their retirement, their jobs, their homes.

Everyone knows this occurred and knows not one of these Wall Street criminals have been prosecuted but in fact been handsomely paid for their criminal activities with monies taken in taxes from the Americans they cheated.

Who in the Hell are you people who attack those who are standing up to these pieces of criminal garbage while keeping mum on any mention of these sub-human, slim bag "Chosen Ones" you should be standing up against also.

Ryan,

You right-wingers have been telling us that Europe's about to collapse for 30 yrs.

Guess who's collapsing now? Only 10% of GDP is from manufacturing in the U.S. Ultimately the production of goods is the source of wealth. In Germany manufacturing is 30% of the GDP, way healthier than US. They are a leading in industrial technology and miles ahead of the US in that area.

All US jobs that do not have to be done in the US are already in or headed for Asia. This is doing of the corporations who have no concern about the American people per se.

howaboutthis,

Sorry, but I make it a personal policy to never stand up with wild eyed, foaming at the mouth, emotionally driven zealots who lack even rudimentary critical thinking skills and who also singularly lack any desire for intelligent and CALM discussion.

Perhaps if people like you actually made calm, intelligent arguments instead of the aggressive, confrontational commentary you posted above, you might actually find more people agreeing with your views.

Yo yakee guy, if those people are employed anywhere, this country is in deep do-do. Of the 10 or so people interviewed that I saw, 8 didn't know why they were even there. Most went to " hang out and chill". My guess is many were homeless people with nothing to do.

The TEA Party will demean, diminish, and attempt to obstruct this protest. The TEA Party is the voice of 1. The 'Occupy' protests are the voice of 99 ...

The TEA Party fake conservatives fear this movement. The TEA Party does not understand 'social justice'. There is no profit in it ...

Social justice is not about handouts. Social justice is not even about a hand up. Social justice is about ending the class warfare ...

There will always be class warfare as long as there's rich and poor. What I wonder is, how long before the next step is taken by those in the streets expressing their hatred for the rich? The next step is pulling people out of cars and beating them, invading private homes, taking them over in the name of the people. It happened before when Parisians pulled people out of carriages during the French Revolution and again during the Bolshevik Revolution. All done in the name of the people; Make the rich suffer, take their wealth. Lol, social justice? Today it's just another term for looting. When the rich have been looted, then the Middle Class, lol, they'll be turing on one another like sharks in a feeding frenzy.

sandy-2984954 - I don't have to research it. I see it every day. I've worked for, in and around the government for 25 years. They are not capable of spending money wisely. The government has compartmentalized itself into agencies, departments and many more sub groups within groups. I don't know how much money I've seen spent simply because the fiscal year was ending and the money needed to be spent lest the department loss their budget for the next year. I'm sorry but the government needs to clean up its operations before it comes asking the tax payers for more money. Honestly, I don't think they are capable of changing at this point. Not without some major overhauls and no one is willing to risk the political repercussion that would come with it. The only thing that will force their had is us cutting off the money.

Ryan: I'm talking about the tax system and specific laws that prevented the games we've seen on Wall Street. That is the issue at hand here if you haven't noticed.

Rich people paid taxes back then remember?

Ryan in Texas....have you ever been to Europe? Have you ever been outside the U.S. other than Mexico?

This is from Rueters....google it.

The economists Joseph Stiglitz and Paul Krugman, both Nobel prize winners, also have positive outlooks for Europe. In a recent column in the New York Times, Krugman said that Europe is often held up as evidence that higher taxes for the rich and benefits for the less well-off kill economic progress.

Not so, he argued. The European experience demonstrates the opposite: social justice and progress can go hand in hand.

The relative rankings of countries tend to be defined by gross domestic product per capita but Hill points out that this might not be the best yardstick because it does not differentiate between transactions that add to the well-being of a country and those that diminish it.

A dollar spent on sending a teenager to prison adds as much to GDP as a dollar spent on sending him to college.

On a long list of quality-of-life indexes that measure things beyond the GDP yardstick — from income inequality and access to health care to life expectancy, infant mortality and poverty levels — the United States does not rank near the top.

So where is the best place to live? For the past 30 years, a U.S.-based magazine, International Living, has compiled a quality-of-life index based on cost of living, culture and leisure, economy, environment, freedom, health, infrastructure, safety and climate.

France tops the list for the fifth year running. The United States comes in 7th.

Idaho Dragon

howaboutthis,

Sorry, but I make it a personal policy to never stand up with wild eyed, foaming at the mouth, emotionally driven zealots who lack even rudimentary critical thinking skills and who also singularly lack any desire for intelligent and CALM discussion.

Guessing Dragon isn't a TPer then?

"Yep! All ordinary citizens dress up like zombies and dance to sycronized music. Just like all "ordinary citizens" spike redwood trees and sign up for 6 month voyages on the Sea Shepard."

John - Do I need to post pictures of the Tea Party protests? Yes - ordinary citizens dress up like zombies or Uncle Sam or whoever and dance to synchronized music. Yours is really a much deeper question than I think you intended. What does "ordinary" citizenship mean? Does it mean not being involved in civic life - just working and having a family and not doing anything in the public realm? Or does it mean that sometimes, a person goes out and stands up for something they believe in. I admire that trait in anybody, regardless if I agree or disagree with them. More power to those zombies - be heard.

It will if there are no retards trying to buy politicians. Then we can get some actual fair consumer protection laws passed.

Centralizing power in Washington in the last 2 + years has done the exact opposite of stopping greed. It has made those that are dependent on the Nanny State greedier than ever. One woman interviewed said "if the rich were willing to share, we could all prosper." The greed of people who could not afford houses wanting one anyway is exactly what brought about the housing debacle and our current economic disaster. These people cry about greed while saying they should have more of someone else's money. Socialism is marching in the streets of NY. They should march right off the Brooklyn Bridge.

So, they are protesting Wall Street, yet are for Obama?

No, they're protesting Wall Street, not happy with Obama but given the alternative what other choice is there?

Got that? :)

Shaking my head, they mean "You go to work and pay my bills while I walk around protesting".

Linda, I have six weeks of vacation time left for this year. If I used it and went down there, would you stereotype me too please?

You could say I don't have a job and have others pay my bills because I could devote a few uninterrupted weeks there.

BrentAZ...

I'd like to see a reporter ask the protesters if Mr. Obama has ever received donations from 'fat cats' on Wall Street !!!

That's why Mr. Obama likes these protesters...he's taken more Wall Street money than anyone...and the protesters will vote for him anyway because most don't have a clue about the millions he has received from Wall Street.

And how about all the press blurbs denying that this president wasn't firing up "class warfare" ??? About 20% of the protesters interviewed use the phrase "pay their fair share"...sound familiar ???

"You go to work and pay my bills while I walk around protesting".

Well, they paid the bills for all the folks who attended the "Tea Parties," so turn about is fair play.

I didn't see a single vote for Obama sign, and I was there. If I had seen one, I would have smashed it.

Wall Street engaged in a criminally fraudulant mortgage scheme, costing Americans their savings, their retirement, their jobs, their homes.

Everyone knows this occurred and knows not one of these Wall Street criminals have been prosecuted but in fact been handsomely paid for their criminal activities with monies taken in taxes from the Americans they cheated.

Who in the Hell are you people who attack those who are standing up to these pieces of criminal garbage while keeping mum on any mention of these sub-human, slim bag "Chosen Ones" you should be standing up against also.

Shaking my head-2479300

Centralizing power in Washington in the last 2 + years has done the exact opposite of stopping greed. It has made those that are dependent on the Nanny State greedier than ever. One woman interviewed said "if the rich were willing to share, we could all prosper." The greed of people who could not afford houses wanting one anyway is exactly what brought about the housing debacle and our current economic disaster. These people cry about greed while saying they should have more of someone else's money. Socialism is marching in the streets of NY. They should march right off the Brooklyn Bridge.

Two points:
1. You speak of "greedy" people who want to own a house.
2. The top 1% of the population controls 40% of GDP...Greed perhaps?
Socialism on the march? Really?
Name one Federal, State, County or City government program or agency that is not essentially socialist?
Name one Federal, State, County or City government program that is essentially capitalist?
Unless you are an anarchist, you don't have a problem with "socialist" programs, you have a problem with "socialist" programs that don't benefit you personally regardless of the effect on your fellow citizens. I believe that defines GREED!

That's why Mr. Obama likes these protesters...he's taken more Wall Street money than anyone

Perhaps you should check to see how much Mitt Romney has taken from Wall Street.

Right, he made billions in personal wealth in the corporate finance business.

Rich-281385: The conceptual basis of the "tea party" is rampant ignorance prevalent enough to devolve into individual chosen stupidity. Now, may you laugh until your ass fails you.

Mac: the teaparty seems to affect you greatly, you spend all your time bashing what started out as a grassroots campaign against corruption, cronyism, banks and bailouts. The Wall Street protests claim to have the same concerns and you are behind them. granted, the liberal media has worked overtime to demonize the teaparty but the protest complaints are the same underlying protests shared by both groups.

Difference between the two groups. one wants to work from within to change the system for the better, the other wants radical revolution to overthrow the system. Think not? Go listen to Stephen Lerner and Trumka, both stalwart communists. Guess you must be a communist.

mygirl1: You ever think about getting your knots loosened some? I think it would help you. Keeping ones ends out allows familiarity with broader ties. Can even run 'em down within a broader scope. Just a suggestion. Regards

"So, they are protesting Wall Street, yet are for Obama?

Check this logic:

Centralizing power in Washington, will decrease greed."

Well...no. It won't decrease greed. But it will curtail corporations from being able to act on their greed. Don't forget that the whole reason we are in an economic crisis is because the regulations were loosened. The idea that the corporations would self-regulate has been shown to be wrong...we are living in the proof. Perhaps government regulation isn't ideal (especially with the current status of corporations in US politics) but someone has to make sure they don't hurt themselves and us.

Why do people like Bernie Madoff exist? It's because they think only in the short term. Just like these banks. They were making money hand over fist and they didn't want to see that the emperor had no clothes. They will act in accordance with their own short term interests to make a quick buck, but in doing so they act against their and our long term interest of stable growth. It is their fault for doing it, and the government's fault for letting them. I say, "Never again!"

So I'm driving to work, listening to the news and this topic come up. As I listen, and try to not drive off of the road from laughing it really hits me. This myopic nirvana they are talking about is coming from people who for the most part have not had to pay bills or think about anyone other than themselves. I've read their 'demands' and any 6th grader doing a civics assignment could have come up with more organization while determining what this country needs.

I was especially entertained during their democratic exercise of determining they were cold and wanted to buy sleeping bags. They figured that 100 sleeping bags would suffice and then they did a mass vote on spending 20 bucks a piece for a total of 2000 dollars out of their general fund. Now, that all sounds well and good. The vote was approved, and the purchase was made. But please tell me, where can one find that number of sleeping bags at that price? These mental midgets went to WAL MART!!!! The same type of 'big business' they have been protesting, and now they are going to spend money there.

Govt_Issue - The issue is not with the existance of corporations. I think most recognize them as either a neccessary evil or at lease regard their exsitance with indifference. The issue is that our government is at the corporations' beckon call. The collusion between the two is ruining it for the rest of us and our government needs to be reminded of their priorities. It is not to bailout failing businesses. If you want free market and capitalist growth then your championing the wrong politicians. Giving loads of money to failed businesses is not free market capitalism. As far as buying things from corporation, that's not really the issue. Think man, think.

Yes, THINK. I read the demands and they were more ranting than anything. The point to my post was their rantings about Big Business being evil and not providing 'fair' wages and good benefits, but still frequenting those same businesses when it was convenient.

I agree that giving money to failed businesses is not free market capitalism in any way. I also believe that tighter regulations are not the answer. We cant have it both ways...that is asking for failure. In essence that's what were doing. We DEMAND higher wages, we DEMAND better benefits, we DEMAND affordable products but then we handcuff our own businesses with unrealistic regulations that put them at such a huge disadvantage to foreign competitors, then sit back and criticize them for not making a profit and not hiring more people.

The only solution I can see to clarify the "ranting" is to get involved. I certainly am not a communist and I don't think we should be punishing people for being successful. I also don't expect free education or health care provided by the government. And I've voiced that on the OWS forums (occupywallst.org) and the response is mostly the same. They're not looking for that either. We simply want a seperation of corporate powers and our government. So that our voice, the voice of the American public, can be heard again. Right now all any politician hears is the ca-ching (money).

Umm...because they realize the real problem is Washington not Wall Street. We can't vote for CEO's but we can vote for politicians.

You mean vote for politicians that are bought and paid for by the wall street barons.

There is misinformation in this article. The TP didn't form "as a protest against Wall Street bailouts" - the TP was formed and funded as a protective shield for the very richest that these WS Occupiers are protesting. The TP is Koch-funded and driven.

BrentAZ

Umm...Wall Street OWNS Washington!!! They say bend over and the govt say "Yess sir!!!"

Washington wipes their proverbial A$$'s with our 'votes'!

sidney...The only reason that is the case is because we have concentrated so much power in Washington that the "special interests" are able to get the access in one location.

Good point: Why isn't the Tea Party protesting against Wall Street too?

Because the Tea Party has been bought and paid for by the very people the Tea Party should be aiming their anger at. Then again it isn't that had to get a gang of uninformed soccer moms and joe six-packs chasing their own tails.

I'm a Tea Party supporter, Matt L., and I'm not protesting Wall Street because those folks helped me build a comfortable retirement.....one where I'm not dependent on anybody's handouts. And, I started building it way back in the late 1960s while the predecessors of this cureent crop of societal losers was marching around annoying the rest of us with their pointless signs and chanting.

If you and your fellows losers want to improve things, get off of your pathetic, useless asses and go start some new business.

roger, just because you can type in bold, doesn't make it true.

BrentAZ,

You are wrong. The reason they get access is because we allow them into the capitol. Make it illegal to lobby, block corporations from donating politically, and move the political fund raising to public interests only then all of our corporate corruption problems would go away.

I don't protest in front of Wall Street because my protest will be in 2012. Against the failed policies to bring Job, Bailouts, Financial Reform, Obamacare, Wars in Middle East, Porkimulus.

Mike, if unions are so good for the country, why are Michigan and Ohio in the dire state they are in?

The union jobs left those states for right to work. If we did not have the right to work states the jobs would have gone all the way to Mexico or elsewhere.

Now don't even go saying that Dems will pass laws to not allow corporations to leave, it was after all President Clinton who pushed and passed NAFTA.

oskar, good luck with getting a politician that is not already bought and paid for because none exist here in America. Also the President doesn't do jack. Congress is the real power of our Government. They craft all of our laws and run the country. the President is just a figure head that can be over rolled by enough votes from Congress. Actually the Supreme Court also makes our laws as well via trials.

Matt L: Dumb Post. Sorry but it is..

BrentAZ: Great response....LOL

John Bayner: You are referring to Obama, right???

geowil..you cant stop global corporations or foreign governments from donateing anonymously to political parties ..the supreme court ruled in favor of corporations and against we the people .. elections do have consequences remember that in 2012... when the tea party takes your social security and medicare away

Spider, it sounds like you are already retired, which means you may have one, or maybe more, pension checks coming in every month. Am I right?

Must be nice to have a secured pension check to fall back on. Pensions are a thing of the past, nowadays, and relying solely on the stock market to build up our 401-k accounts is way too risky!! And if Social Security goes by the wayside, our 401-k's or IRA's will be our only source of income in our old age.

I love it when those who "have" are always criticizing those of us who "have not", like we are the ones who control our own retirements. News flash....we have little or no secure retirement plans now. Not like the cushy pensions you seem to be enjoying!

Just sit back in your easy chair and enjoy the twilight of your life....while we fight for the privilege of getting some semblance of a retirement. It's not your fight, so it's understandable that you could never fathom how hard it's going to be for us to retire from now on.

John,get you facts straight, Obama got Wall Streets money in 2008, that's the fact Jack. Who has benefited most from Obama and Bernanke's policies? That's right, the Warren Buffets of the world.

Good point: Why isn't the Tea Party protesting against Wall Street too?

Sarcasm is great. :D

Mike, if unions are so good for the country, why are Michigan and Ohio in the dire state they are in?

Where in my reply did I say anthing of the sort? Here, I will repost my entire reply to roger so we can clear this up.

roger, just because you can type in bold, doesn't make it true.

I don't see where I said unions were so good. Please point it out for me.

Wasn't it just yesterday the Tea PArty and GOP was accusing Obama of being a Socialist?

Now he's benefiting Wall Street and the super wealthy? Try getting your narrative straight.

GLOTZ
John,get you facts straight, Obama got Wall Streets money in 2008, that's the fact Jack. Who has benefited most from Obama and Bernanke's policies? That's right, the Warren Buffets of the world.

My facts are straight. Obama did get millions from Wall street, which is why there has been no claw back from Wall Street by the DOJ. Obama is as corrupt as Clinton ever was. They ahve kicked him to the curb this year though. If he wins in 2012 you might see some clawback suits stemming from Occupy, but I doubt it.

Independant Jim,

That is why I have also said around here somewhere that we need to repeal Citizens United.

Better yet I want to qualify my public interests statement.

What we need to do is setup a system that will examine each donation and where that money is coming from and who it is coming from and going to. It should be either run by an independent party or done electronically so that it cannot be tampered with. There should also be a limit on the amount you can donate and how many times you can donate. Let say we cap it at a max donation of up to 15,000 or 4 times, which ever comes first.

Must be nice to have a secured pension check to fall back on.

The only thing secure right now is hard, cold cash. So if Spider doesn't have his mattress stuffed with it EVEN he may have a rude awakening.

And the problem with cash is....if we completely crash they (whoever "they" are) can change our currency. I don't know...anyone know anything about Euros? lol it'd probably be more like pesos.

Oh and by the way...I heard that over 100 police in NY email their boss and said they would NOT arrest the protesters!!!!!

:) God Bless Em

spider-737231

I'm a Tea Party supporter, Matt L., and I'm not protesting Wall Street because those folks helped me build a comfortable retirement.....one where I'm not dependent on anybody's handouts.

Of course you are a T-Party supporter..."I got mine...screw the rest of you and your damn kids".

When they show you who they are...believe them!

Oh, poor Spider. He thinks he is a self-made man! He thinks he did everything for himself without the help of the government. And now that he got his, with the help of the Federal Government, he could care less for anyone else.

I guarantee you Spider collects Medicare and Social Security too. Was he a union man? You can always tell the self-haters.

Nobody gets anywhere in life without the help of the Federal Government. I asked the seemingly being question to draw out his ilk.

Wall Street crashed the economy, not Washington. Which again begs the question: why isn't the Tea Party protesting the anti-democratic role of crony capitalism?

Doc I remember years ago reading

People show you all the time who they are. You just don't want to see.

"Umm...because they realize the real problem is Washington not Wall Street. We can't vote for CEO's but we can vote for politicians."

The problem is both. Wall Street's greed caused this crisis. The Government's deregulation allowed it to happen. Wall Street said, "If you don't bail us out, the economy will collapse completely." The Government bailed them out.

Lesson learned: "If we (the banks) make tons of money by taking huge financial risks, the government has our back." Meaning the risk lies not with the banks, but with the US taxpayer. All the while the banks make more, and more, and more, and more...

Now, maybe the banks were right and if they hadn't been bailed out we would be in an even bigger world of hurt - I don't know. Regardless, the lesson WE should learn is: "Banks and corporations are a danger to themselves and us if we do not regulate them. They can not be trusted to do the right thing."

"Umm...because they realize the real problem is Washington not Wall Street. We can't vote for CEO's but we can vote for politicians."

Oh also, because the Tea Party isn't about holding Wall Street accountable. They're just an anti-Obama, anti-liberal political machine. Maybe originally they cared about Wall Street, but you never hear about it these days. Only about Democrats spending too much money and healthcare reform.

That, and they also differ in that the tea party is made up 100% of @!$%#ing idiots.

What the hell do you think happened in 2008 remember TARP remember all the bailouts of big banks and wall street crooks. You nutjobs really need to try to have a memory that is longer than a couple months.

@I'm just saying, from what I've seen the protesters are not so bright either.

That, and they also differ in that the tea party is made up 100% of @!$%#ing idiots.

Amen, brother/sister!

What the hell do you think happened in 2008 remember TARP remember all the bailouts of big banks and wall street crooks. You nutjobs really need to try to have a memory that is longer than a couple months.

Don't forget, there have been a couple of seasons of American Idol to keep the masses sated. Short-Attention-Span-America.

Wow, I'm just saying, you should join the protestors immediately. Their inane, pointless namecalling is as juvenile.....and ineffective....as yours!

Brian, When you say "government driving us to economic ruin" you are actually referring to people that were voted into office, and bought out by lobbyists to enact the very bills that you complain about - and who paid the lobbyists to persuade these elected officials to enanct the legislation? I can assure you it wasn't the poor!! No, it was the wealthy who wanted the banks and wall street to be bailed out, it is the wealthy who wanted trade barriers removed so they could move their labor overseas, it is the wealthy who want to have it all - not because they worked for it, but because they feel they deserve it for themselves and that they owe it to their wall-street investors.

Wait a minute... what was it that precipitated the "bailouts" in the first place? Was it maybe, the finance companies? The guys on Wall Street who are still taking giant bonuses while not paying back the loans the gov't lent to them?

P.O., don't you believe in the great American myth that if you're poor it's because you deserve to be? I mean, poor people have so much POWER, right? They pump all that money into lobbyists to get Congress to give them more and more government hand outs, don't they? Oh, wait, I forgot - they don't actually have any money. In fact, in order to receive federal assistance for a family of 4 you can make as much as $22,000 a YEAR! I mean, that comes to $5,500 per person per year. I couldn't imagine why anyone making THAT much money would need any help. But hey, let's say we all agree that we're not going to help anyone anymore. And I mean ANYONE. Even if you're a child who has absolutely no choice about who your parents are. Maybe they are just lazy. Or maybe daddy lost his factory job because the corporation he worked for wanted to increase their profit margin (mind you, they were profitable before, but it wasn't enough to pay their CEO's enormous bonus) and mommy got sick with breast cancer that bankrupted the family and caused them to lose their home. So now daddy is working part time at a retail store and mommy is still recovering and can't work. Daddy is bringing home $22,000 a year. Previously, this would have qualified this family for federal assistance, but as a nation we've decide to say F*&ck these lazy a*&holes. They should have known they were going to get cancer and lose their jobs. It's not MY responsibility to feed and house their brats. They shouldn't have had kids if they couldn't afford them. Never mind that they could afford them when they actually had them, but life has been cruel to them and they suddenly find themselves in need of help - as a country we've decided we are not going to do. What are we, a bunch of suckers?Nope, let them go to a church or private charity to get help. Only problem is that now that the government has eliminated all social services, churches and charities are completely over-whelmed. Just disaster relief alone has completely depleted their accounts. Mind you, people are generous even when the government isn't "forcing" them to be, but the demand is too high. Because so many people are now living in abject poverty drug dealing, prostitution, and violent crime has skyrocketed. Prisons are bursting with not only criminals, but some poor who have committed crimes just to get a place to sleep or something to eat. Sure, it was incredibly short sighted not to just invest in our nation's people, making sure that everyone had at least something to eat every day and access to education that could improve their chances of having a better life, but we decided to just say, F*&k It, I'm just going to worry about me and mine and screw everyone else.

I really cannot wait for these lovely people to take over. What a nice place America will be to live in.

So your calling 14 million unemployed people lazy? Did you ever think that maybe some of these people are medically unable to work, uneducated, and not to mention discrimination and I'm not just talking about someones color, I am also talking about people who are over 50, disabled ect... Just because you had a good start in your life does not mean other people did to, yes a person can or at least try to do better for themselves, but sometimes the cards are stacked against them, and yes some are lazy, but most are not. What ever happen to love thy neighbor, help your neighbor, support your neighbor, and yes give a little money when you can. If it were not for the government helping these people this country would be another third world country, and that is not what this country is about.

I would like to see you go out on the streets and live like these people have to for a month, hell you wouldn't last a day, then come back and tell me that they don't need help.

Candian Dave

Hopefully the KOCH BOYS WILL BE ARRESTED FOR TREASON, for supply Iran, causing the death of a Texas man, because the did not follow the law, all in the name of $$$$, hope you teabaggers are proud of your Corporate donor. And you think the Unions are thugs.

spider-737231
Wow, I'm just saying, you should join the protestors immediately. Their inane, pointless namecalling is as juvenile.....and ineffective....as yours!

Which still makes them a great deal more effective than the boot-licking corporate toadies newly elected to the US Congress.

THIS is what EVERY TP member should know:

Politico reports that national Tea Party and Tea Party-affiliated groups are raking in record donations: $79 million last year, a 61 percent increase from 2009′s numbers. And those numbers will likely only increase:

Americans for Prosperity, a group founded by the Koch brothers, and Armey’s FreedomWorks told the website they will raise $156 million ahead of the 2012 election.

Armey will take home at least $500,000 of that for his related work with Americans for Prosperity.

That group’s president, Tim Phillips, receives $363,000 per year for his work,

while FreedomWorks pays its co-chairman Matt Kibbe $321,000 per year.

Another national Tea Party group, Tea Party Express, paid out about $2.8 million to right wing consultant Sal Russo’s firm, Russo Marsh.

You get the idea: Russo, Armey, Kibbe and the rest of the Tea Party’s leaders, as well as their funders, Charles and David Koch, are making serious bank while the movement’s rank-and-file continue to suffer under economic malaise:

the average Tea Partier makes about $50,000 a year, far less than what their fearless leaders make, and a number certainly eclipsed by the $20 billion each of the Koch Brothers have amassed over their careers. [The Kochs do not generally reveal their annual salaries.]

So y'all just keep working hard for your clever/sly/corrupt leaders :)

Koch Brothers’ Iran Ties and Activist Salaries Show Tea Party’s True Face

By Andrew Belonsky Monday, October 03, 2011

Unions donated just under $400,000,000 to Obama in 2008.......and another $200,000,000 to the mid tern2010 elections to the DNC

What's your poin??t........Unions give more to DNC then groups give the GOP

FYI.....Wall Street donated over 30% more to Obama than McCain in 2008

What does Richard Trumka make a year?????

What does little jimmy Hoffa make a year???

The point is....what do or are you going to get by being a mouthpiece for the TP? Do they pay you that well to sit in here all day all night.

At least with the union people get good paying jobs, health benefits and a retirement plan. So they earn their keep.

BUT

On the less than $50,000. you make you aren't affected by anything they (TP) are really all about. You don't have to worry about inheritance tax or a raise in your taxes but you will have to deal with all the pollution they leave behind when it totally becomes a slum.

I don't get it.......

"Unions donated just under $400,000,000 to Obama in 2008.......and another $200,000,000 to the mid tern2010 elections to the DNC"

Why do you lie? Especially when it's so easy to fact check you.

"In 2008, unions spent $74.5 million in campaign contributions, with $68.3 million going to the Democratic Party." - American Institute for Economic Research (emphasis added)

So...no, unions didn't donate $400 million to Obama in 2008 and they didn't donate $200 million in 2010.

You are right ....it is easey to find the right information.......

So HChris.......what's tour excuse???? Did you look up what a single union donated....The $400 million figure includes all unions from Fed &State employees to SEIU. It is welll documented and easey to find.......93% nation wide goes to DNC.

The figure is correct .......go find it

Every time I searched for "how much did Unions donate to Obama in 2008" the figure $400 million never came up.

So I searched "Did Obama receive $400 million from Unions in 2008" and the first site up was Politifact.

From Politifact:

"We contacted the staff at the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan organization that tracks campaign spending. They told us that it would be impossible to account for all union spending during the 2008 cycle; the law doesn’t require that level of disclosure.

But in the data required to be reported, the center found $75 million in direct contributions from unions and union members to candidates and parties, of which over $68 million went to Democrats. It also found $86 million in outside spending by labor in the 2008 cycle, which largely benefited Democrats. It also identified an additional $52.7 million in spending from labor groups in 527 organizations, tax exempt organizations that seek to influence elections. Add it up, and you get $206.7 million.

The RNC said the unions "spent $400 million to elect Obama." We do want to acknowledge that independent publications have reported that number to be the case. But when we looked into the sources for that number, we found that it was the unions themselves discussing what they hoped to raise in the 2008 election. Furthermore, the reports said they wanted to raise $300 million, not $400 million, and it was a goal, not something they had yet achieved. When we looked at the public disclosures after the election, we found the unions reported $206.7 million in spending for all Democrats. It's clear that the unions raised additional money for get-out-the-vote activities, but we don't know how much more -- nor does the RNC. Finally, all that money went to support Obama and other Democrats, not just Obama alone. In short, we don't see the evidence to support that unions spent $400 million to elect Obama. So we rate the statement False."

So the American Institute for Economic Research and Politifact disagree with you.

This is common knowledge reported on TV and print numerous times. The figure includes all money spent by unions in 2008 for Obama.

HChris........made the above post...even had time to google a source to verify the 400M......took about 30 seconds

Wall Street Journal....11/6/08.....written by Kris Maher.....title of article is...."Labor wants Obama To Take On Big Fight"......has all the figure an explanations.

So, you didn't read the part of my post where I quoted from Politifact:

"We do want to acknowledge that independent publications have reported that number to be the case. But when we looked into the sources for that number, we found that it was the unions themselves discussing what they hoped to raise in the 2008 election."

Seriously...it wouldn't be the first time a news organization has not checked the facts before they report it. I don't know what could convince you - probably nothing - but the truth is there and it's not $400 million.

Hiram-

Also, the WSJ article doesn't list its sources. It just makes the claim that unions spent $400 million for Obama. Also, that article is about something entirely different (Employee Free Choice Act) and the $400 million is merely one sentence in the article. It doesn't break down anything about union contributions. Sorry.

No skin off my back if you want to be in denial over the issue.

......and the effing union thugs.

Al Sharpton is too busy beating up on China right now for using a caricature of Obama on their OFC - a rip-off of KFC - and calling it Obama Fried Chicken. (No, not a joke, it was posted on MSN earlier, but I didnt' save the link.)

I see the Bankers pointing the mobs to the traders in order to avoid culpability. And yes, the Tides foundation, George Soros, and The Ford Foundation are bankrolling it. Enjoy.

The slovenly unkempt group of rag-tag KIDS won't garner the sympathies of the average main-stream American Citizen.

Especially when they trash other hard working citizens based on class warfare, while obviously these nuts never worked an honest day in their lives.

What a joke this article is. THe numbers are so much smaller than the TEA numbers and it is completely being organized by the unions who are bussing these people in and putting them up. And the protestors are idiots who speak in iincomprehensible half-sentences.

Oh yeah, and George Soros even came out backing them.

And the unions didn't join in until this was well under way.

It's odd how threatened the Tea Partiers are by this. I didn't realize how sympathetic they are to wall street.

And the unions didn't join in until this was well under way.

Nope, it's not a union movement. They're being opportunistic is all.

This is the REAL face of "grass roots" protest. I don't see Dick Armey or the Koch Bros. jumping on board THIS one.

Don't forget Dick Armey's wife, Vagina Coastgaurd lol

No just Michael Moore, blocked streets, professional protesters and a lot of garbage left behind.

So far the movement is unorganized. They need some work. Based on some research of our history, from Washington on, I think they need a name:

I suggest the "Accountability Party."

What the SEC was set up to do was hold Wall street to standards to avoid another great depression. Well, the SEC has obviously failed in its task, so we, the people, need to organize and take up the slack. We can become the Accountability Party. Wall Street excess and their flaunting of laws and rules put in place to keep them to heel, and buying politicians to change the rules have put us where we are. They need to be held Accountable, and I see these people as the very tiny tip of what could become a very effective political spear in the side of corrupt traders.

It's time to take the country back for the majority of Americans. Call me a part of the Accountability Party.

In case you need a picture, here is someone that's drawn one for you:

youtube.com/watch?v=2tUIx5DlxaI

Enjoy. It's what we the people have been promised, and what's been stolen from us.

eraser says, It's odd how threatened the Tea Partiers are by this. I didn't realize how sympathetic they are to wall street.

Really? And just how did you come to that conclusion? LMAO! I'll be chuckling about that for at least another 30 seconds. (about as long as it took to dismiss your silly words)

sniper: while obviously these nuts never worked an honest day in their lives.

This is what they are protesting. They have degrees, and haven't been able to work. That's the sort of shame this country ignores every day. Why aren't these kids employed? Because companies with stock on Wall Street are making more money by hiring overseas, that's why. Do you think the founding fathers would have supported this? I'll answer that for you, because I know that you don't have a clue. No. They would look at this situation and immediately put huge tariffs on imports. They would look at the corruption in the government and financial system we now have, and if they couldn't think of a way to fix it, there would be a new revolution, followed by a new and improved constitution. For people that hold the Constitution so dear, you really have no idea what the underlying purpose of it is. It is a progressive, living document, with congressional mechanisms to change the parts that aren't working to keep the American Dream within reach of everyone.

Benjamen Franklin, father of the American Dream, would stand in front of congress and call them traitors. There is no doubt about that. Anyone that has read anything about the man knows that. And abolishing the Fed? He was a staunch supporter of the central bank.

Tea Partiers stand for things that the founding fathers would have abhorred. I'm sure it's just a serious lack of education in the history of our country.

Thank God some of us are still around that know what this country was built on, and what the final draft of the Constitution was about. But there are not enough of us. Not by a long shot, to the great detriment of this great experiment.

Kai, they do seem pretty threatened. Or maybe we have it wrong and the republican establishment is threatened. There's no other explanation as to the seemingly desperate attempts to minimize this movement, which has gone viral. Someone is very afraid. Maybe it's not the TP. But someone is very afraid.

Tea Partiers stand for things that the founding fathers would have abhorred. I'm sure it's just a serious lack of education in the history of our country.

Bullcrap they do. They make up stuff that never existed in the Constitution let alone make up their own historical facts to suit their bias.

For instance. This nation was NEVER founded as a "Christian" nation. Many Tea Partiers think otherwise.

The Koch Brothers would not support something like this because they'd be protesting their own shenanigans! They are FOR Wall Street and against Maine Street.

Yes! Instead of scared old ignorant anti-science, anti-history white racists, a Truth Party for everyone interested in T R U T H......................

Yes! Instead of scared old ignorant anti-science, anti-history white racists, a Truth Party for everyone interested in T R U T H......................

I think you need a party of your own. Call it the, "I vote for my own post because I think I am smart" party. :)

Watermoon

What a joke this article is. THe numbers are so much smaller than the TEA numbers and it is completely being organized by the unions who are bussing these people in and putting them up. And the protestors are idiots who speak in iincomprehensible half-sentences.

Oh yeah, and George Soros even came out backing them.

OK...you made the accusation...prove it! Or is this just another POS drive by shot by the Neocon/Repub/T-baggers?

Uh-oh, they have existed for a short time so they must be the cause of all the country's problems. And oh yeah, because they are on the fringe they must be terrorists just like the Tea Party.

pfffft Rickster....getting nervous? lol

THIS is what EVERY TP member should know:

Politico reports that national Tea Party and Tea Party-affiliated groups are raking in record donations: $79 million last year, a 61 percent increase from 2009′s numbers. And those numbers will likely only increase:

Americans for Prosperity, a group founded by the Koch brothers, and Armey’s FreedomWorks told the website they will raise $156 million ahead of the 2012 election.

Armey will take home at least $500,000 of that for his related work with Americans for Prosperity.

That group’s president, Tim Phillips, receives $363,000 per year for his work,

while FreedomWorks pays its co-chairman Matt Kibbe $321,000 per year.

Another national Tea Party group, Tea Party Express, paid out about $2.8 million to right wing consultant Sal Russo’s firm, Russo Marsh.

You get the idea: Russo, Armey, Kibbe and the rest of the Tea Party’s leaders, as well as their funders, Charles and David Koch, are making serious bank while the movement’s rank-and-file continue to suffer under economic malaise:

the average Tea Partier makes about $50,000 a year, far less than what their fearless leaders make, and a number certainly eclipsed by the $20 billion each of the Koch Brothers have amassed over their careers. [The Kochs do not generally reveal their annual salaries.]

So y'all just keep working hard for your clever/sly/corrupt leaders :)

Koch Brothers’ Iran Ties and Activist Salaries Show Tea Party’s True Face

By Andrew Belonsky Monday, October 03, 2011

I used to think the Bush's were the most repugnant family around. Now I think the Koch bros. have tied them.

You have no idea (or maybe you do) what the Koch bros are behind. And now that I see I can understand better some of the driving issues for the Republicans/TP.

I'm not going into detail right now I have work to do. I will leave saying though that I thoroughly believe and support my first two sentences.

LMAO......real grass roots.......Michael Moore, Van Jones, George Soros, all the unions...etc.
The only thing grassy about that movement is the grass they smoked before and after.

"Wow, many of these people are college educated with degrees? Since when is a degree associated with a right to a job?"

Rickster -

I think the issue here is that the protesters graduated with a lot of debt (their choice, it's true) - but because of the irresponsibility of Wall Street and the government, unemployment is about double what it should be. Not to mention, new job growth is down as well. So we see that there is a fairly large group of people who are educated and qualified with no job opportunities and lots of debt. If Wall Street hadn't botched the job, there would be jobs, there would be growth, and these people would be contributing to society.

As it is, they are contributing in a different way, by trying to hold Wall Street accountable, when nobody - NOBODY else is. The Tea Party sure as hell isn't. The Tea Party is merely an anti-Obama, anti-liberal movement. Politics pure and simple. The current Wall Street protesters are actually protesting something that matters - holding Wall Street accountable. The two are nothing alike - at least not yet, we'll see if these protesters get co-opted by the left. Hopefully not, holding Wall Street accountable shouldn't be a conservative or liberal thing.

You must understand that most if not all the people who do not like protestors are pro repub and big time right wing conservatives and are not about any form of change exept there pocket books which I am afraid are slowly running dry.

What are you talking about dsims565? Two party politics is a non-issue here. They are both part and parcel to the same old corruption which has been enabled by the Fed's printing money. This transcends left/right partisanship.

What I don't like is uninformed protesters who can't seem to get their message straight and are co-opted by elements of both parties (Soros/Koch) to go after the false enemy.

The real enemy is the Fed reserve. If you look into it I think most on the left and the right will agree. Devaluing the currency by printing money is like stealing directly from your wallet without you even knowing it. It is a hidden tax, and gives governments a blank check to grow out of control like the leviathan we have today.

Glad they are finally covering the OWS movement, but what about the biggest story of the day? Eric Holder's perjury at a congressional hearing for Fast and Furious. Sick of the MSM trying to bury any news of corruption by the current administration.

The corporations and big money are directly entwined with both the Democrats and Republicans. Both sides are highly corrupt selling out for top dollar. As long as these 3 sides Dems/Repubs/Corps continue expanding their reach and pockets, the fracturing of our country will continue. We will be doomed as long as both sides exist, Dems v Repubs. It's only a matter of time. Greed has permeated everything.

Yes Gabbo1, but the real challenge here will be whether or not these protesters will become useful idiots for either arm of the corrupt fascistic political machine. Hopefully these protesters will listen to this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmPWcLQ1Mk&feature=youtu.be

udermen......trying to divert attention away from the rep/teabggers involvement in all this mess.....??? nice try udermen

My gut tells me this movement cannot be "co-opted" by anyone anymore than the anti-war movement (feminists movement, Black panthers, etc) of the late '60s and 70's could have been co-opted.

To paraphrase Neil Young:

"Tin soldiers and big banks coming,
we're finally on our own.
This fall I hear the drumming,
pepper spray in NYC.......

So they are against capitalism... the very thing that makes a free society possible.

The real solution is to give them their hearts desire...

Shut Wall Street down... now.

No banks.

No trading in stocks, bonds, options, commodities futures... &c.

No deposits or withdrawals, no ATM transactions or debit card purchases...

No bus tickets for stranded protesters... zombies by their own choosing.

That should do the trick right?

bobbyg-501939,

Since you, apparently, choose to see the world as "black or white," "right or wrong" or anything/everything else in life as binomial, then no one can help you understand what's happening out there.

The movement is dealing with a lot of gray issues -- that's why people like you can't see the underlying angst which propels these young people.

The movement is real, and it will not stop.

Wall Street engaged in a criminally fraudulant mortgage scheme, costing Americans their savings, their retirement, their jobs, their homes.

Everyone knows this occurred and knows not one of these Wall Street criminals have been prosecuted but in fact been handsomely paid for their criminal activities with monies taken in taxes from the Americans they cheated.

Who in the Hell are you people who attack those who are standing up to these pieces of criminal garbage while keeping mum on any mention of these sub-human, slim bag "Chosen Ones" you should be standing up against also.

It'll stop because it is self defeating.

These misguided people are protesting against the very institutions that make protesting possible.

If Wall Street shuts down they have to go home... to a life of subsistence farming and hunting... with their bare hands of course... wouldn't want any guns around.

You have all been lied to and duped by the most skilled liar in history.

Go home and make something out of yourselves before it is too late for you.

Life is too short to waste it on quixotic ghost hunting.

here is the truth about what happened.... read em and weep...

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/585922/201109231847/Bill-Clinton-Home-Wrecker.aspx

bobbyg-501939

"...the most skilled liar in history." ??????????

First, I won't forgive you for forgetting Hitler and his crew. (Most skilled....)

Second, "Wall Street" cares nothing about the middle class or below -- only shareholders. The first duty of a Corporation's Board?: increase shareholder value.

(FYI, Wall Street did not make "protesting possible." (On what planet are you living???)

What are you -- 30 years old?????

WE BROUGHT DOWN NIXON.

The banks deserve to be found out. The government made it so they can't fail. Even if they lose money, they get their bonuses. Read Mat Tabibi's articles in "Rolling Stone." It's amazing how Goldman Sachs gets away with everything and is paid by us. They go after people with outstanding student loans yet give Goldman billions.

Read Mat Tabibi's articles in "Rolling Stone." It's amazing how Goldman Sachs gets away with everything and is paid by us.

Takethat just a step further, and read Taibbi's excellent book Griftopia. It explains exactly how banks such as Goldman put the American taxpayer over a barrel and how they were rewarded for their reckless and illegal actions.

It all goes beyond the simple Republican/Democrat issue, also. Taibbi plays no favorites and pulls no punches. It is an amazing piece of investigative journalism no matter your political affiliation. Griftopia should be made required reading for those folks who still think Wall Street and the so-called Job Creators have any interest in the Middle Class or their fellow man.

Thank you Maw-1297690 for mentioning this amazing writer. More people should know his name.

bobbyg-501939

You have all been lied to and duped by the most skilled liar in history.

Go home and make something out of yourselves before it is too late for you.

Life is too short to waste it on quixotic ghost hunting.

here is the truth about what happened.... read em and weep...

Bobbyg I read your link and this liberal will not disagree with it. I'm not going to say this is the only reason for our decline though. George W. and his corrupt crew contributed beyond measure.

It's only recently that I have come to view the Clinton's with disdain. One has to wonder how much he made out of the entire collapse. Maybe someday they will be on the list to investigate.

Until then I'm watching to see what President Obama does with Clarence Thomas and the Koch brothers. I want to see prison time...just like would happen to an everyday person.

My feeling is ...if they are corrupt prosecute them. I don't care if they are Republican, Democrat or Tea. I'm sick of this sh!t.

You know, who's gonna break the news to these college kids that are protesting Wall Street?

I just want to know who is going to tell them that Obama is going to ramp up collections on them.

Obama has asked Congress for more power for debt collection agencies to go after deadbeats like these kids hanging around Wall Street on their student loans, by calling their cell phones.

So they are against capitalism... the very thing that makes a free society possible

You utterly missed the point of the OWS protest. You see, this is what they are up against. Someone sees thousands of people protesting on Wall street and they assume these protesters are against free trade and capitalism. When in fact its about things like big businesses buying legislation, executives of failing businesses taking bonuses that are big enough to finance lifetimes. Ratings firms nearly destroying the entire economy twice in one decade, etc.